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Miles Archer

(23,714 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 07:56 PM Monday

Vance: Vatican "should stick to the church and let the president stick to DICTATING AMERICAN PUBLIC POLICY."

Aaron Rupar

‪@atrupar.com‬
JD Vance advises the Vatican to stay out of US politics

JD Vance advises the Vatican to stay out of US politics

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2026-04-13T22:30:15.397Z


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Vance: Vatican "should stick to the church and let the president stick to DICTATING AMERICAN PUBLIC POLICY." (Original Post) Miles Archer Monday OP
Hey JD moonscape Monday #1
People breaking all of the commandments every day is the Pope's business. Irish_Dem Monday #2
HA! Vance is forced to admit there's a valid and abiding no_hypocrisy Monday #3
Not only that he admitted trump was a dictator Lifeafter70 Monday #28
Just as soon as the Trump Administration stops trying to dictate Christianity. tanyev Monday #4
He's killed before. Iggo Monday #5
Good, keep your religion out of public JBTaurus83 Monday #6
Yes; Trump is a DICK TATER! Chasstev365 Monday #7
A Tater Tot, according to Stormy Daniels. 3catwoman3 Monday #29
Traitor Tot. ColoringFool Monday #36
🤣 Chasstev365 Tuesday #38
Vance converts to Protestantism live on televsion Prairie Gates Monday #8
I actually expect him to JBTaurus83 Monday #12
"Caring about people is not political" Deuxcents Monday #9
Hey, JD, go read the Constitution again. Did you sleep through Con Law at Yale? Ocelot II Monday #10
Right, so whenever abortion rights come up for discussion DFW Monday #11
+1 dalton99a Monday #21
Gee, look at who now believes in the separation of church and state... regnaD kciN Monday #13
Peace is the church's business. BlueNProud Monday #14
They are ruining the world and the world isnt Johonny Monday #15
VD Jance is such a CINO. ananda Monday #16
I thought it meant Christian in name only. efhmc Monday #19
Same thing. ananda Monday #20
He isn't even a holiday catholic Lifeafter70 Monday #30
"Dictating?" efhmc Monday #17
We do not want him dictating or playing the role of dictator. waterwatcher123 Monday #18
Then get that fucking Christian Nationalism out too Blue Owl Monday #22
And he says nothing when hick preachers talk about policy. Kingofalldems Monday #23
So no religious freedom for the Pope? Raven123 Monday #24
HEY Vance.. Fuck the DICTATOR & Cha Monday #25
J.D. FUCK OFF. spanone Monday #26
I'm not a religious person but.... Skittles Monday #27
He is Renew Deal Monday #33
"Dictating" is a most interesting choice of vocabulary. 3catwoman3 Monday #31
The problem is that the US government decided to cross the religious line Renew Deal Monday #32
J D "Maybe it's Maybelline" Vance MW67 Monday #34
Vance is more like... purr-rat beauty Monday #35
JD "converting" to Catholicism. sop Monday #37
He thought it would benefit him politically. Sequoia Tuesday #41
Dictating malaise Tuesday #39
Coming from a regime that intervenes in everybody else's politics... Eugene Tuesday #40
MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #42

no_hypocrisy

(55,079 posts)
3. HA! Vance is forced to admit there's a valid and abiding
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 07:59 PM
Monday
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

Thanks JD! Your hypocrisy is priceless!

Lifeafter70

(1,125 posts)
28. Not only that he admitted trump was a dictator
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:05 PM
Monday

I know I know I took it out of context.
But it works for me.

JBTaurus83

(1,550 posts)
12. I actually expect him to
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 08:13 PM
Monday

He will do anything to become the nominee, and I can’t see how remaining a Catholic is going to be feasible for him.

Ocelot II

(130,842 posts)
10. Hey, JD, go read the Constitution again. Did you sleep through Con Law at Yale?
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 08:09 PM
Monday

The president's job is not to dictate policy. The president's job, per the Constitution, is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed" (Article II, Section 3). Those laws arise from the people via their Article I representatives. And if the president has started a war because he felt like it and innocent people are getting killed, the Pope certainly can, and should, use his voice as (supposedly) God's messenger to speak out against the violence and the killing. God isn't cool with war in general, never mind what Pete Kegbreath says.

DFW

(60,313 posts)
11. Right, so whenever abortion rights come up for discussion
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 08:11 PM
Monday

The clergy in general, and Catholics in particular, should keep their mouths shut, right?

“Except when…..” coming in 5…..4….3…..2….1…..

Johonny

(26,352 posts)
15. They are ruining the world and the world isnt
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 08:23 PM
Monday

Happy about it, so Vance is going to have to eat the shit he crapped.

Cha

(319,584 posts)
25. HEY Vance.. Fuck the DICTATOR &
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:00 PM
Monday

the little mouthpiece Cockroach telling Pope Leo the XIV what to do.



Skittles

(172,170 posts)
27. I'm not a religious person but....
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:05 PM
Monday

when the Pope comments on WAR I think he IS commenting on MORALITY

Renew Deal

(85,265 posts)
33. He is
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:13 PM
Monday

Vance knew he screwed that one up. Also, threatening to destroy a civilization is well within the Pope’s scope.

Renew Deal

(85,265 posts)
32. The problem is that the US government decided to cross the religious line
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:12 PM
Monday

With all of the religious justifications for the war and Old Testament quotes to support “lethality.”

Keep religion out of foreign policy and maybe religion will have a smaller role.

That said, the ending civilization comments are a war crime and my understanding is that they may also be a sin.

MW67

(196 posts)
34. J D "Maybe it's Maybelline" Vance
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 09:15 PM
Monday

Trying to tell the Pope to stay in his lane, how very rich, the laughing stock of the world leadership

Sequoia

(12,763 posts)
41. He thought it would benefit him politically.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:36 AM
Tuesday

And remember what happened after he forced a visit with the last Pope. Despicable phony.

Eugene

(67,170 posts)
40. Coming from a regime that intervenes in everybody else's politics...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:19 AM
Tuesday

An unlawful war that is disrupting the entire world is everybody's business.

And Shady, crimes done in Christ's name are morality issues.

LetMyPeopleVote

(180,658 posts)
42. MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:48 PM
Wednesday

If the White House sees a political upside to its increasingly outlandish papal rebukes, it’s mistaken.

As JD Vance presses the pope to be “careful when he talks about matters of theology” — no, seriously, that’s what he said — a simple question hands overhead:

What exactly is the White House’s strategy here? Do Trump and Vance think the pope will be bullied into silence?
www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-15T12:59:00.596Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/vance-trump-pope-catholic-church

Not to be outdone, his vice president — the first Catholic Republican to ever hold the office — has joined the rhetorical offensive.

On Monday night, JD Vance appeared on Fox News and insisted that “it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality … and let the president of the United States stick to dictating American public policy.” Putting aside the fact that the president isn’t supposed to be “dictating” anything, the Ohio Republican’s advice didn’t make a lot of sense: The pope drew Trump’s ire by speaking out on matters such as a deadly and destabilizing war in the Middle East and the plight of immigrants seeking a better life, both of which are, by any reasonable measure, “matters of morality.”

A day later, he upped the ante in an unexpected way. NBC News reported:

Vice President JD Vance said Tuesday that Pope Leo XIV should ‘be careful’ when he talks about theology, rebuking the pontiff over his criticisms of U.S. foreign policy.

Vance argued that the pope, who has said Jesus ‘is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs,’ was failing to take into account conflicts such as World War II
.


....Do Trump and Vance believe Leo will be intimidated into silence? Are they trying to send a signal to other religious leaders opposed to the war? Do they believe they can discredit the pontiff, who enjoys stronger public support than they do? Do the Republicans think they’ll appear “tough” by picking a fight with the Vatican? Is this all some sort of elaborate distraction campaign?

I won’t pretend to know their motivation, but if Trump and Vance see a political upside to their increasingly outlandish papal scoldings, they’re mistaken.
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