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lostnfound

(17,543 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 09:13 PM 13 hrs ago

CIA CHILD ABUSE circa 1959: Ted Kaczynski was a 3 year victim of MK Ultra starting at age 17

Saw a book ‘Human History on Drugs’ at the bookstore and curiously picked a random chapter.
Mind was blown. Read Wikipedia and a bit more online to verify. Here is what they did not talk about in news reports about the Unabomber.

Take a shy 16 year old genius (IQ 167) and give him a scholarship to Harvard.
As a sophomore, he volunteers for a psychological experiment that sounded like an intellectual debate (write an essay about your beliefs, then get challenged by others to defend the contents of your essay).

So for the next THREE YEARS, WEEK AFTER VICIOUS WEEK, under experiments conducted by Dr. Henry Murray (former OSS) the CIA recorded this student through a one-way mirror while a skilled interrogator belittled and taunted him. Then they forced him to watch these recordings being humiliated— so that he would see just how stupid they made him look. They were trying to psychologically break him — and in some specific way, it’s clear that they did break him.

The book says all of this is documented, and the only thing that is not documented is that they were dosing him with LSD during these 200 experiences. CIA director Richard Helms ordered MK-ULTRA materials to be destroyed. But they were sloppy about it, and recovered files showed that MK-ULTRA was ‘obsessed with LSD’. When Kaczynski’s lawyers tried to get the records from Harvard, Harvard refused and sealed all of Dr. Murray’s records.

As a mother, I am sickened that this was done to a young man at the precise time in life that a human needs to be finding friends, learning to trust and bond with other people, and transforming from a shy 17 year old boy to a socially adjusted 20-something. It is insane.

And it is criminal that these facts were hidden when the s*** hit the fan. Nobody owned up or was held to account for what they did and the role they played. Just like now, with the Epstein cases.

So ANYTIME the US government claims they “just want to protect children”, they are LYING.

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CIA CHILD ABUSE circa 1959: Ted Kaczynski was a 3 year victim of MK Ultra starting at age 17 (Original Post) lostnfound 13 hrs ago OP
Yikes! yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #1
The MK ULTRA program was designed to observe the unsuspecting MagickMuffin 13 hrs ago #2
What, exactly, was the CIA hoping to discover? Baitball Blogger 31 min ago #14
Wow 😳 MustLoveBeagles 13 hrs ago #3
Wow.... just WOW. Talitha 13 hrs ago #4
I don't know if it's true, but I've read many times Haggard Celine 13 hrs ago #5
Countless troops got to watch above ground nuke testing. eggplant 11 hrs ago #7
I haven't read the manifesto but wonder how accurate have been his predictions. CoopersDad 13 hrs ago #6
Kaczynski murdered 3 people and injured 23 others between 1978 and 1995 bigtree 2 hrs ago #10
I'm more interested in the complete lack of punishment for the apparatus that created him lostnfound 1 hr ago #12
there's no evidence that LSD and belittling him 'created him' bigtree 33 min ago #13
Silly little experiments? No way. lostnfound 9 sec ago #15
Unethical human experimentation in the United States blue-wave 11 hrs ago #8
Wow that's shocking in scope lostnfound 6 hrs ago #9
Kaczynski himself said the experiments had no significant effect on the course of [his] life" bigtree 2 hrs ago #11

MagickMuffin

(18,340 posts)
2. The MK ULTRA program was designed to observe the unsuspecting
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 09:37 PM
13 hrs ago

MKULTRA was another example of our government terrorizing the citizens. These “programs” were also conducted in Canada.

Search for documentaries on the subject. Plenty available. Here’s a link to several.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mk+ultra


Baitball Blogger

(52,477 posts)
14. What, exactly, was the CIA hoping to discover?
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 10:36 AM
31 min ago

Did they succeed in breaking someone to weaponize them?

Haggard Celine

(17,858 posts)
5. I don't know if it's true, but I've read many times
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 09:48 PM
13 hrs ago

that Lee Harvey Oswald was in MK Ultra experiments as well. If true, you can see why they removed The Manchurian Candidate from circulation for years. It was banned in Soviet and Eastern Bloc countries. If they will do experiments like these and the ones at Tuskeegee, what won't they do? And just think of all the other scary shit that has been covered up successfully.

eggplant

(4,215 posts)
7. Countless troops got to watch above ground nuke testing.
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:38 PM
11 hrs ago

Fodder for measuring how much radiation you get at different distances.

CoopersDad

(3,360 posts)
6. I haven't read the manifesto but wonder how accurate have been his predictions.
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 09:57 PM
13 hrs ago

Technology is having its way with humankind.

bigtree

(94,408 posts)
10. Kaczynski murdered 3 people and injured 23 others between 1978 and 1995
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 08:54 AM
2 hrs ago

...fuck his manifesto and his 'predictions'

Drug abuse and mental illness didn't make him a prophet.

lostnfound

(17,543 posts)
12. I'm more interested in the complete lack of punishment for the apparatus that created him
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 09:30 AM
1 hr ago

I’m more interested in how Harvard can allow psychopathic experiments to be performed for 3 solid years on one young man whose parents entrusted to Harvard’s care at the age of 16.

I’m more interested in knowing that information about what other young Americans have been psychologically tortured by the US government and subsequently went on to commit atrocities.

Endless lies to protect its own corrupt institutions rob the US of so much, starting with ‘justice for all’.

bigtree

(94,408 posts)
13. there's no evidence that LSD and belittling him 'created him'
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 10:35 AM
33 min ago

...or is responsible for his 17 year terror campaign.

Kaczynski described it as “the worst experience of my life,” but he stayed in the study for three years. As he later explained, “I wanted to prove I could take it, that I couldn’t be broken.”
https://allthatsinteresting.com/ted-kaczynski-unabomber

The conclusions in the articles which associate his delusions with that silly experimental program sound as looney as as he was. Besides, he wasn't held there, he was a volunteer.

It's much more likely that his regression and resentments began at the University of Michigan:

After graduation, Ted Kaczynski attended the University of Michigan to pursue a master’s and then a Ph.D. in mathematics. It was here that he started to come undone. He hated his fellow students and his teachers.

In his bedroom, he thought he could hear his neighbors whispering about him. Once, in a manic fit of sexual frustration, he decided the only way he could touch a woman was to become one. He made an appointment with the campus health center to discuss a possible gender reassignment surgery but in the waiting room, he had a change of heart.

He later wrote:

Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope. I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. I felt I wouldn’t care if I died. And so I said to myself why not really kill the psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate. What is important is not the words that ran through my mind but the way I felt about them. What was entirely new was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone. My very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life and do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal.


Eventually, he decided, “I will kill but I will make at least some effort to avoid detection so that I can kill again.” But he wouldn’t start just yet.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/ted-kaczynski-unabomber

...his life experiences before he devolved into a serial killer weren't isolated to that voluntary program.

I don't believe whatever mental affliction he suffered from gave him any special insight into anything other than his deluded mind. And I don't believe the silly program that used LSD amounted to anything more than a series of bad trips.

I stood up to the murderous prick before he was caught, with a letter to the editor published prominently in a nice little box on the WaPo editorial page.

lostnfound

(17,543 posts)
15. Silly little experiments? No way.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:08 AM
9 sec ago

Mentally tortured by authority for 3 years, on a roller coaster of experiments and recovery every single week. I don’t believe it is ‘voluntary’ depending on the cocktail of drugs they gave him and on how skilled the interrogators were.

He was a sensitive person as a teen, concerned about the fear felt by a rabbit their father had briefly put in a cage to show the kids. A sensitive person stripped bare by a professional interrogator, week after week. Put under pressure, away from family, no friends, told his ideas were stupid and mocking him — the great Harvard being the apparatus in charge, and the f’ing CIA in the background. He was a rat in their cage.

It is no coincidence that he was a subject of MK Ultra.

The brain and the psyche develop in phases. For example, there is a phase for learning language, and if you do not expose a kid to language, his language will never be natural. In the teen years, socialization is a huge focus of development.

The Shock Doctrine book starts with similar McGill / CIA experiments that used electroshock to try to create a blank slate. The idea was to break them down to nothing, then try to rebuild. In the case of MK Ultra, LSD makes a person very open to suggestion, unusually vulnerable. It can make one revert to a childlike feeling of total trust — or perhaps to total distrust, paranoia.

Harvard was ‘in loco parentis’. I’m sure Harvard’s public self-descriptions talked about academic and social life in glowing terms, and did not mention the potential to participate in life-altering psychological torture. In my opinion, it is quite possible that forced LSD dosing combined with unrelenting psychological attack of a young person’s exact weaknesses cleared a path where insane retribution seemed both easier and more logical than normality.

He died in prison, but the people who did these ‘silly experiments’ to him did not. They lived lives of prestige and wealth.

blue-wave

(5,351 posts)
8. Unethical human experimentation in the United States
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:50 PM
11 hrs ago

There's a lengthy Wikipedia page on this. A lot of documentaries are out there too.

Here's the link to " Unethical human experimentation in the United States"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I watched some documentaries a while back on the LSD experiments. That program was called the "Spring Grove Experiment."

Here's a link to more on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Grove_Experiment

bigtree

(94,408 posts)
11. Kaczynski himself said the experiments had no significant effect on the course of [his] life"
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 08:57 AM
2 hrs ago

...wiki:

Kaczynski's lawyers later attributed his hostility towards mind control techniques to his participation in Murray's study. Kaczynski stated he resented Murray and his co-workers, primarily because of the invasion of his privacy he perceived as a result of their experiments. Nevertheless, he said he was "quite confident that [his] experiences with Professor Murray had no significant effect on the course of [his] life".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#cite_ref-29

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