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Pope Leo put a Muslim prayer room in the Vatican. People are concerned. (Original Post) Swede Apr 17 OP
"without interrupting ... library patrons" .. That kind of courtesy is alien thinking to those "concerned" about this.nt eppur_se_muova Apr 17 #1
The complainers probably never go to libraries. yardwork Apr 17 #8
In some ways, it might be best that they don't. eppur_se_muova Apr 17 #10
Yeah! lastlib Apr 17 #13
Isn't it difficult to hyperventilate when your knuckles are dragging on the ground? AZ8theist Apr 17 #45
Half of them probably see "Muslim scholars in the Vatican Library" and think it's a Dan-Brown-style plot muriel_volestrangler Apr 17 #47
Imagine. . thoughtfulness and consideration. Such "concerning" niyad Apr 17 #2
I never know what is worse about these "concerned" assholes, displacedvermoter Apr 17 #3
That's It ! dave99 Apr 17 #4
Why not both?!?! evolves Apr 17 #16
The morons know Allah and God are the same dude, right? stumpysbear Apr 17 #5
I highly doubt that they do. Emile Apr 17 #7
And I'm sure they think that 4 of the disciples were really named... 3catwoman3 Apr 17 #26
A Rose by any other name is still a Rose. patphil Apr 17 #18
Universal Consciousness. maddiemom Apr 17 #35
I call it "Physics" lastlib Apr 17 #40
"Allah" Mossfern Apr 17 #21
The issues are about prophets and messiahs JoseBalow Apr 17 #24
They don't believe swong19104 Apr 17 #39
Not only that, but Muslim scholars would have wnylib Apr 17 #43
historians as well. cab67 Apr 17 #44
"But we ain't doin' nun a dat book lernin' bullcrap!!!"* AZ8theist Apr 17 #46
Perhaps you've heard.... cab67 Apr 18 #58
LOL!! No, hadn't heard that one! AZ8theist Apr 18 #59
Very true. wnylib Apr 17 #48
Trump has been texting, praise be to Allah. Blue Full Moon Apr 17 #6
I really like this guy. Scrivener7 Apr 17 #9
I believe it is called eccumentality. That is a sharing of unity and purpose among various flashman13 Apr 17 #11
It's that "mentality" part that throws them...... lastlib Apr 17 #14
No one was born hating anyone. It's a learned thing very often connected to religious indoctrination. flashman13 Apr 17 #15
"You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" niyad Apr 17 #30
Hey, lettuce leaves are useful, delicious, and often beautiful. niyad Apr 17 #29
Quite true, but..... lastlib Apr 17 #42
Sadly, that is not a dificult feat. niyad Apr 17 #49
"My god can beat up your god" evolves Apr 17 #17
Gotta love Pope Leo! Joinfortmill Apr 17 #12
Vatican City is a separate country, not a religious institution FakeNoose Apr 17 #19
"How many divisions does the Pope have?" lastlib Apr 17 #55
Trump would have banned Islamic scholars from the Vatican Martin Eden Apr 17 #20
If his base were majority muslims, he'd pretend to be that JoseBalow Apr 17 #27
Maybe FAFO and face-eating leopards will turn the tide Martin Eden Apr 17 #37
Wow, respecting another person's religion. Wednesdays Apr 17 #22
I wait to see what The Orange Messiah has to say about this. . twodogsbarking Apr 17 #23
It is interesting to see... Snackshack Apr 17 #25
Good for Pope Leo, he understands how it's supposed to work... wcmagumba Apr 17 #28
The morans clutching their pearls are never going to use the Vatican Library ms liberty Apr 17 #31
Quite simply for those concerned.. Bluejeans Apr 17 #32
Self-proclaimed "Christians" are often profoundly ignorant about Christianity PJMcK Apr 17 #33
I can't hear or see the word "concerned" without thinking of Susan Collins ;-) flor-de-jasmim Apr 17 #34
Easy way to weed out the extreme fundamentalists who are ruining everything with their hypocritical insanity Blue Owl Apr 17 #36
I was at the Vatican in 2018 and saw many Muslim men on the grounds who frequented that library kimbutgar Apr 17 #38
Yet another flaw for the Pope, according to Trump Doctrine. Passages Apr 17 #41
"But if they're prayin in a special room, how can we scream.... 70sEraVet Apr 17 #50
Basic (and no-cost) politeness to guests is an alien concept to RWers/MAGAts RockRaven Apr 17 #51
If you've never seen it IbogaProject Apr 17 #52
Decency, humanity, good will, civility... debsy Apr 17 #53
Perfectly normal... WarGamer Apr 17 #54
"NEVER IN THE BIG, BEAUTIFUL TRUMP LIBRARY! NO ColoringFool Apr 17 #56
i love your comment "I know who the "concerned people" voted for." - it's perfect! nt orleans Apr 18 #57

eppur_se_muova

(42,292 posts)
1. "without interrupting ... library patrons" .. That kind of courtesy is alien thinking to those "concerned" about this.nt
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 09:46 AM
Apr 17

yardwork

(69,520 posts)
8. The complainers probably never go to libraries.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:04 AM
Apr 17

They haven't ever been in a public library. They think it's a den of satanic communists forcing them to watch drag queens read gay porn to children.

They hyperventilate when they drive past their town's library.

eppur_se_muova

(42,292 posts)
10. In some ways, it might be best that they don't.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:12 AM
Apr 17
Wouldn't want them to interfere in our drag queen gay porn children's hour ! Satanic communists have some rights, too, you know !

AZ8theist

(7,547 posts)
45. Isn't it difficult to hyperventilate when your knuckles are dragging on the ground?
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 05:33 PM
Apr 17

Just wondering....

muriel_volestrangler

(106,476 posts)
47. Half of them probably see "Muslim scholars in the Vatican Library" and think it's a Dan-Brown-style plot
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 05:49 PM
Apr 17

to create One World Religion worshipping Greta Thunberg.

displacedvermoter

(4,879 posts)
3. I never know what is worse about these "concerned" assholes,
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 10:26 AM
Apr 17

that they are ignorant about everything, or that even when they learn about something, they end up getting angry because facts piss them off?

stumpysbear

(287 posts)
5. The morons know Allah and God are the same dude, right?
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 10:50 AM
Apr 17

At least the catechism of the Catholic Church says so.

3catwoman3

(29,686 posts)
26. And I'm sure they think that 4 of the disciples were really named...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:18 PM
Apr 17

...Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

patphil

(9,175 posts)
18. A Rose by any other name is still a Rose.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:48 AM
Apr 17

Every culture has it's own name for God.
We're always look for ways to name the creative force that goes far beyond that which can be contained in a name.
Words are simply inadequate.
The Native Americans refer to the "Great Spirit". That's about as good a name as any.

lastlib

(28,482 posts)
40. I call it "Physics"
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:43 PM
Apr 17

What others ascribe to a deity, it's usually something the physical world does by virtue of physics. YMMV.

swong19104

(646 posts)
39. They don't believe
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:16 PM
Apr 17

that “God”, “Gott”, “Dios”, “Dieu” and “Deus” are the same god.

wnylib

(26,321 posts)
43. Not only that, but Muslim scholars would have
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:53 PM
Apr 17

a religious reason for doing research in a Christian library. In Islam, Jesus is a highly regarded prophet.

cab67

(3,829 posts)
44. historians as well.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:58 PM
Apr 17

Anyone studying the Crusades, for example, would want to look at documents archived at the Vatican dating back to the period.

AZ8theist

(7,547 posts)
46. "But we ain't doin' nun a dat book lernin' bullcrap!!!"*
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 05:38 PM
Apr 17

* Actual quote from MAGAT land

cab67

(3,829 posts)
58. Perhaps you've heard....
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 01:56 PM
Apr 18

....of parents expressing shock - SHOCK! - that a teacher called their children "Homo sapiens?"

It's happened to friends of mine, even when the kids are in college.

AZ8theist

(7,547 posts)
59. LOL!! No, hadn't heard that one!
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 09:49 PM
Apr 18

But when you tell the numptys that humans are great apes, they lose their minds.
They somehow think humans are "special". A caller to one of the on-line shows actually tried to argue that humans AREN'T animals!
I wanted to ask him, then what are we? Plants?

flashman13

(2,530 posts)
11. I believe it is called eccumentality. That is a sharing of unity and purpose among various
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:18 AM
Apr 17

churches and religions. It is the opposite of my god is bigger, better, badder, and realer than your god.

lastlib

(28,482 posts)
14. It's that "mentality" part that throws them......
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:22 AM
Apr 17

Since they have the alpha waves of a lettuce leaf, they can't handle facts that go against what's already wired in.

flashman13

(2,530 posts)
15. No one was born hating anyone. It's a learned thing very often connected to religious indoctrination.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:31 AM
Apr 17

lastlib

(28,482 posts)
42. Quite true, but.....
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:47 PM
Apr 17

I've never known one to integrate a transcendental fuction, or calculate a thermodynamic field tensor. But they have, I'm sure, outsmarted a few tRumpers in their lives.

evolves

(5,867 posts)
17. "My god can beat up your god"
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:34 AM
Apr 17

is only a tiny intellectual step away from “My dad can beat up your dad”

These people are emotional and intellectual children.

FakeNoose

(42,093 posts)
19. Vatican City is a separate country, not a religious institution
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:57 AM
Apr 17

Vatican City makes its own laws, collects its own taxes, maintains its own police department, etc. Yes it is wholly within the country of Italy, and also within the city of Rome. Once you cross the border of Vatican City, (it's a gate really) you are in a separate country.

If Italy suddenly outlawed Muslim worship (not gonna happen, but IF...) then it doesn't affect Vatican City at all. They make their own laws. If the Vatican wants to maintain a Muslim place of worship, they can do it.

Martin Eden

(15,814 posts)
20. Trump would have banned Islamic scholars from the Vatican
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:12 PM
Apr 17

Petty, vindictive, ignorant, racist, President of the United States of America.

JoseBalow

(9,652 posts)
27. If his base were majority muslims, he'd pretend to be that
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:24 PM
Apr 17

He only cares about what he can get out of people for his own benefit; drumpf only believes in himself.

Martin Eden

(15,814 posts)
37. Maybe FAFO and face-eating leopards will turn the tide
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 03:49 PM
Apr 17

After a helluva lotta damage is done.

Snackshack

(2,594 posts)
25. It is interesting to see...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:15 PM
Apr 17

The dichotomy corporation / elite have created between a global economy and tribalism. Since the 90's corporations / captains of industry have pushed for a global economy without understanding the ripple effects that the various standards of living from across the world would bring with it.

wcmagumba

(6,541 posts)
28. Good for Pope Leo, he understands how it's supposed to work...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:43 PM
Apr 17

Add in a Buddhist prayer room, a Hindi prayer room, a Native American prayer room and others as far as I'm concerned, it's all good...

ms liberty

(11,319 posts)
31. The morans clutching their pearls are never going to use the Vatican Library
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:08 PM
Apr 17

At most they would be amongst the crowd of loud, easily identifiable American yahoos milling about outside.
It's really none of their business.

PJMcK

(25,090 posts)
33. Self-proclaimed "Christians" are often profoundly ignorant about Christianity
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:19 PM
Apr 17

I don't think I need to write anything more.

Blue Owl

(59,468 posts)
36. Easy way to weed out the extreme fundamentalists who are ruining everything with their hypocritical insanity
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 03:18 PM
Apr 17

kimbutgar

(27,453 posts)
38. I was at the Vatican in 2018 and saw many Muslim men on the grounds who frequented that library
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 03:52 PM
Apr 17

This is not new.

Passages

(4,394 posts)
41. Yet another flaw for the Pope, according to Trump Doctrine.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 04:46 PM
Apr 17

Must be biogted at all times.

70sEraVet

(5,576 posts)
50. "But if they're prayin in a special room, how can we scream....
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 07:05 PM
Apr 17

MERRY CHRISTMAS!! at them?! Trump says we can do that to anybody, now, whether they like it or not!"

RockRaven

(19,666 posts)
51. Basic (and no-cost) politeness to guests is an alien concept to RWers/MAGAts
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 07:15 PM
Apr 17

They literally cannot imagine behaving so themselves. It is wild.

IbogaProject

(6,027 posts)
52. If you've never seen it
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 08:54 PM
Apr 17

It is cool to see. They kiss the ground (prayer rug), sing quietly. I've seen it in the basement of my former building that was shared by a resturant. It is also a very scholarly culture, beyond their wealthy and western backed regressives.

WarGamer

(18,810 posts)
54. Perfectly normal...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 09:34 PM
Apr 17

And as they claim... praying to the same god so what's the big deal??

ColoringFool

(960 posts)
56. "NEVER IN THE BIG, BEAUTIFUL TRUMP LIBRARY! NO
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:42 PM
Apr 17

INFIDELS ALLOWED to assault our ears 10 times a day, maybe more!

Not in the ground-level stores or the replica of Trump Force One or the upper-floor condos with the world's best views to my spect...septic....spackle...big, beautiful BALLROOM! Gold like nobody's ever seen! They call me King Midas, you know that, right?

GOD BLESS AMERICA!"


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