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I"ll just drop this here without comment (Original Post) AverageOldGuy Apr 17 OP
But does he speak in tongues and hate gay men and women? displacedvermoter Apr 17 #1
And snakes. He's got to love snakes. Vinca Apr 17 #14
Speaker Johnson is an example of the ignorance and hypocrisy that permeates the white evangelical church.. walkingman Apr 17 #2
You forgot arrogance -- they are steeped in it. OMGWTF Apr 17 #22
Yes, their arrogance is what gets me. They know nothing about their own religion travelingthrulife Apr 18 #54
The evangelical church PJMcK Apr 17 #31
Whatever mj is, christian ain't one of them! mwmisses4289 Apr 17 #3
Aog, Cool meme/factoid dlilafae Apr 17 #4
Johnson is a Lemming. Joinfortmill Apr 17 #5
I doubt johnson has the brain cells Figarosmom Apr 17 #6
Micro Penis Mike Johnson Aviation Pro Apr 17 #7
Do remember, Augustine also opined that sex was cachukis Apr 17 #8
Somehow, that makes Mike Johnson right? Wednesdays Apr 17 #12
Oh, not at all. Just that using prominent theologians cachukis Apr 17 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author cachukis Apr 17 #18
This isn't about procreation GenThePerservering Apr 17 #19
Did Jesus speak of a just war? cachukis Apr 17 #30
Mike Johnson ladies and gentlemen. Ray Bruns Apr 17 #9
Trump is training them to do that Mblaze Apr 17 #11
Someone please tell me that we're running a great democrat against him for this seat BComplex Apr 17 #37
I'm not sure that Jesus Christ Mblaze Apr 17 #10
Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to. PatrickforB Apr 17 #39
Thanks Mblaze Apr 17 #42
Yes, Mahatma Gandhi - those were righteous movements. And I do agree with you. n/t PatrickforB Apr 17 #44
"death toys" blubunyip Apr 18 #49
Mike is an evangelical American Xtian. They have no use for Catholics. LeftinOH Apr 17 #13
Actually, they have no use for Jesus. Wiz Imp Apr 17 #38
I've heard Christian nationalists call Catholics The Wizard Apr 17 #45
MAGAts are morons. Martin68 Apr 17 #15
Saint Augustine, AKA Augustine of Hippo FakeNoose Apr 17 #16
Also, I doubt Augustine was as pale as he is in the Wiki picture haele Apr 17 #29
Mike Johnson makes my skin crawl. 3catwoman3 Apr 17 #20
Oh mine, too! What a slimy weasel! BComplex Apr 17 #36
They train them just like Mossad, CIA or FSB... OhioBack2Blue Apr 17 #46
As I said last week displacedvermoter Apr 17 #43
You're not alone. Not by a long shot! calimary Apr 18 #48
They're ignorant liars. We see it every day. CaptainTruth Apr 17 #21
Johnson is now in charge of "blessing the bombs". twodogsbarking Apr 17 #23
Dear Pope Leo, BidenRocks Apr 17 #24
Mike Johnson Doesn't Understand Something Called "Illegal.... ColoringFool Apr 17 #25
speaker elf on a shelf is a jeebus follower. taint the same. pansypoo53219 Apr 17 #26
elf on the shelf? Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #28
Martin Luther was an Augustinian too Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #27
I'm not a big fan of Augustine Metaphorical Apr 17 #32
I'm not a big fan of Augustine either Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #35
Power mad... GiqueCee Apr 17 #33
Explain this one Mikey! BidenRocks Apr 17 #34
One of the best scenes in the whole 7 seasons. 3catwoman3 Apr 18 #50
I was working at Warner Bros. at the time. BidenRocks Apr 18 #52
How exciting that must have been. What did you do there? 3catwoman3 Apr 18 #53
That poster boy for The Dunning-Kruger effect knows better, of course. Dave Bowman Apr 17 #40
Bazinga! ShazzieB Apr 17 #41
YEP!!!! BurnDoubt Apr 18 #47
That's what happens... returnee Apr 18 #51

walkingman

(11,075 posts)
2. Speaker Johnson is an example of the ignorance and hypocrisy that permeates the white evangelical church..
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:43 AM
Apr 17

travelingthrulife

(5,457 posts)
54. Yes, their arrogance is what gets me. They know nothing about their own religion
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 02:19 PM
Apr 18

and bible yet they consider themselves experts on everything.

PJMcK

(25,089 posts)
31. The evangelical church
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:02 PM
Apr 17

Their adherents are in for the shock of their lives when they die.

dlilafae

(463 posts)
4. Aog, Cool meme/factoid
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:03 PM
Apr 17

I was just listening to the MeidasTouch podcast and they were referencing the same...

Aviation Pro

(15,690 posts)
7. Micro Penis Mike Johnson
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:10 PM
Apr 17

Lifts his head up from servicing the child raping bag 'o fuck's taint long enough to say something stupid.

That's Micro Penis Mike Johnson.

cachukis

(4,040 posts)
17. Oh, not at all. Just that using prominent theologians
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:36 PM
Apr 17

is a tricky business, for all of them.

Response to Wednesdays (Reply #12)

GenThePerservering

(3,579 posts)
19. This isn't about procreation
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:48 PM
Apr 17

it's about Johnson's ignorance of the augustinian concept of 'just war.'

Mblaze

(1,097 posts)
11. Trump is training them to do that
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:20 PM
Apr 17

Last edited Sat Apr 18, 2026, 12:24 AM - Edit history (1)

But they are a little long in the tooth and you can't teach an old scrotum new tricks.

BComplex

(9,944 posts)
37. Someone please tell me that we're running a great democrat against him for this seat
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:19 PM
Apr 17

in November!!!????
Please

Mblaze

(1,097 posts)
10. I'm not sure that Jesus Christ
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:18 PM
Apr 17

Would understand the Just War Doctrine. I can hear him now saying, "What did I just tell you"?

Martin Luther King Jr. was in a just war and followed the directives of Jesus by being non-violent. It worked. Do you think that it would have worked if he had been violent?

PatrickforB

(15,485 posts)
39. Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:38 PM
Apr 17

In the Just War theory, Christians are justified in going to war if the enemy has conducted an unprovoked attack. So, using that definition, we can look back on history and find very few 'just' wars.

Most of the time, when we speak of wars fought under the auspices of religion, it has been a bunch of people who are so very, very certain their religious dogma is correct and everyone else's is wrong that they are willing to kill those who disagree. Often in millions. Examples of that include the wars in Europe over the doctrine of transubstantiation - these happy little conflicts killed 12 million people over forty years.

We also have the crusades, where we had to get a bunch of people together and retake the Holy Land. We can also add the genocide of the Conquistadores against the Aztecs, Maya, Inca and other central and south American civilizations, and the north American genocide against the indiginous tribes on that continent. Millions died.

In fact, try as I might, there are only a few wars we could consider 'just.' In the twentieth century, the Second World War was just because the Axis countries were invading other countries right and left, and Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Of course, there is the nagging little fact that our oil embargo against the Japanese Empire had a causal relationship with the attack at Pearl Harbor. Still, all things considered, we were justified in facing off against the Axis and it took 60 million lives to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and the rest of the fascists.

And Korea - the forgotten war counts. North Korea invaded South Korea and that was unprovoked. China and the USSR treated it as a proxy war, backing N. Korea, and we let an international coalition to preserve the independence of S. Korea. But we did not fight to win because of the nuclear threat.

'Nam was fought by our kids at the behest of the Military Industrial Complex, which arguably took over this country with the assassination of JFK and the MIC crazies convincing LBJ to send 500,000 of our people over there. They wanted to increase PROFITS from arms production and sales. Wall Street roared! In the meantime, America lost 58,000 people and 3.2 million Vietnamese were killed. We had an anti-war movement and riots that nearly tore the republic apart. But Wall Street and the MIC did GREAT! They sold our government $158 billion in death toys, which would amount to nearly a trillion USD now.

The forever wars were fought as a result of a terrorist act that created a shadow war against an invisible enemy. This war could have been won...economically, but never militarily. Unjust.

And this war in Iran? Unjust.

Mblaze

(1,097 posts)
42. Thanks
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 03:31 PM
Apr 17

I do understand the concept of a Just War even though my comparison might not reflect the original intention (although it has all of the requisite criteria except for being declared by a competent authority). After all, slavery was still prevalent when Augustine et. al. and civil rights were in question back then as well.

I believe the non-violent revolt against the Raj by Gandhi is another great example of a "war" that Jesus would approve.

blubunyip

(296 posts)
49. "death toys"
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 08:24 AM
Apr 18

need to be used. Let's see, who would Jesus bomb?

I think Jesus believed we could and should get beyond mass killings.

One day.

LeftinOH

(5,663 posts)
13. Mike is an evangelical American Xtian. They have no use for Catholics.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:24 PM
Apr 17

It's odd that so many conservative Catholics don't understand the level of contempt that the religious right holds for them.

FakeNoose

(42,093 posts)
16. Saint Augustine, AKA Augustine of Hippo
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 12:31 PM
Apr 17


Wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

He's not only a Saint in the Roman Catholic church, but also recognized in the Lutheran, Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Christian churches as a saintly and highly-educated leader of the early Christians.

Wikipedia tells the interesting story of his life. The reason this is pertinent is that Pope Leo XIV (Robert Prevost) decided at a young age to study for the priesthood and eventually join the order of Augustinians.

haele

(15,512 posts)
29. Also, I doubt Augustine was as pale as he is in the Wiki picture
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:58 PM
Apr 17

He was born in Algeria. While it's a Mediterranean country, it's a Southern Mediterranean Country...
The guy in the pic looks like he came from Cologne or maybe Brussels...

BComplex

(9,944 posts)
36. Oh mine, too! What a slimy weasel!
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:18 PM
Apr 17

Where do the republicans even find these total sick-in-the-head-and-don't-know-it creeps?

OhioBack2Blue

(171 posts)
46. They train them just like Mossad, CIA or FSB...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 11:49 PM
Apr 17

...no I'm not kidding...they are playing the long game against us. We are way behind.

twodogsbarking

(19,130 posts)
23. Johnson is now in charge of "blessing the bombs".
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:20 PM
Apr 17

You need more good bombs becuause of all the bad bombs. I wish this was sarcasm.

BidenRocks

(3,427 posts)
24. Dear Pope Leo,
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:24 PM
Apr 17

I am humbled by your restraint. It takes a truly special person to deal with the world today.

If it were up to me, I would be excommunicating a lot of people for their comments detrimental to the safety of the citizens of this planet. You have seen the fat, cigar chomping jerk who told you to stay in your lane?

I would be a smiting and giving the Knights Templar a job. On background, they were as corrupt as chump and were disbanded. Not Opus Dei either. More Hollywood.

Bottom line is, the time to turn the other cheek has passed. These cretins have no respect for anything beside money and power.

Can't you issue a Catholic Fatwah or something to rally the true believers?

That would be a "Just War".

Jilly_in_VA

(14,510 posts)
28. elf on the shelf?
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:53 PM
Apr 17

I LOVE IT! Sure wouldn't want him watching me or my kids at Christmas, though! Dirty minded little shit.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,510 posts)
27. Martin Luther was an Augustinian too
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 01:52 PM
Apr 17

I dare Little Mikey to debate Pope Leo---or any good Lutheran pastor, for that matter. (Preferably Elca--I think Nadia Bolz-Weber would tear him to shreds--but I think a good Missouri Synod pastor could eat him alive too.) I doubt the little putz is much of a debater on theological matters.

Metaphorical

(2,655 posts)
32. I'm not a big fan of Augustine
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:06 PM
Apr 17

He architected many of the more egregious and problematic beliefs of the time into the emerging Christian Church; however, in this particular case (and the notion of what constitutes a Just War) he's well reasoned. The Jesuits and Augustinian orders are also fairly well aligned in their notion that logical soundness, even more than faith, is important in establishing the authority of the church. This contrasts with the Dominicans who tend to be more focused on orthodoxy of belief.

Mike Johnson, on the other hand, is simply Trump's lapdog at this point, and I suspect would be hard pressed to debate his way out of a wet paper bag.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,510 posts)
35. I'm not a big fan of Augustine either
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:16 PM
Apr 17

although he does have his moments. I'm even less a fan of his mother Monica, who I consider the ultimate stage mother. but I won't go there. I'll just say that how she ever got to be a saint is way beyond me. Aug, well, okay, though he's not my favorite. I'm more of either a Jesuit or Maybe even an Ignatian vis a vis my spirituality...except I'm Orthodox.

GiqueCee

(4,541 posts)
33. Power mad...
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:06 PM
Apr 17

... and chickenshit are character traits that do not play well together. Combine those with the Dunning-Kruger Effect on steroids and you get... well, Mike Johnson.
"Moses" Mike is in so far over his head that he doesn't even know which way is up. But if he presumes to lecture Pope Bob on theology, he'll find out where down is when his face hits the mat with a resounding splat.

BidenRocks

(3,427 posts)
34. Explain this one Mikey!
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:16 PM
Apr 17

Last edited Fri Apr 17, 2026, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Psalm 137.9, which reads, "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock,"

No abortion, just infanticide!

Let's not get into Leviticus. Pres. Bartlett did that one so well!

3catwoman3

(29,662 posts)
50. One of the best scenes in the whole 7 seasons.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 08:43 AM
Apr 18

And the one in the first season when he tells Mary Marsh and the other two to, “Get your fat asses out of my White House.”

BidenRocks

(3,427 posts)
52. I was working at Warner Bros. at the time.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 01:20 PM
Apr 18

I spent a lot of time on the empty set, in the White House.
It was the most impressive TV set since it was 'real'.
All the talent was especially friendly. John Spencer would see you outside a stage and say hello.
I don't watch any tv dramas now.

3catwoman3

(29,662 posts)
53. How exciting that must have been. What did you do there?
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 02:16 PM
Apr 18

I recently binge re-watched all 7 seasons. Not too long after that, Timothy Busfield was arrested. If he ends up being found guilty, I will have to fast forward thru all his scenes.

I confess to not being a huge fan of the First Lady character. Too shrill for me.

returnee

(956 posts)
51. That's what happens...
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 09:10 AM
Apr 18

…when you are uneducated, talk out of your ass, and use your so-called religion to self-aggrandize.

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