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So do you think Trump hired a hit person to (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Sunday OP
YES! dlilafae Sunday #1
He wasn't shot. He didn't win. He's on the list. 31st Street Bridge Sunday #53
Correct on all three. yellow dahlia Sunday #127
Word of the day: KAYFABE OhioBack2Blue Sunday #164
Yes Botany Sunday #2
How did Trump manage to fool the Secret Service? pcdb Sunday #124
And as an old fart, healing takes longer. IzzaNuDay Sunday #132
SAG he is Whip-poor-will Sunday #3
Pretty sure they Rebl2 Sunday #77
I do not believe the assassination attempt was staged, Joe Cool Sunday #4
"Either the bullet whizzed close enough by his that it caused some bleeding" Polybius Sunday #14
'penetration, howsomever slight...." ucmj rampartd Sunday #39
So he was raped by a bullet? BattleRow Sunday #44
no bullet got anywhere near that podium rampartd Sunday #66
Lloyd Bucher, remember him? NoRethugFriends Sunday #85
His doctor said it left a one-inch hole in his ear. ZZenith Sunday #136
That's ridiculous misanthrope Sunday #141
From what I have read, mzmolly Sunday #65
Bingo! Doodley Sunday #76
SS couldn't control him! LeftInTX Sunday #78
I very much doubt that he's got that much physical strength. Crunchy Frog Sunday #151
Standing on stage for several seconds, allowed to pump his fist in the air, yelling "Fight! Fight! Fight" True Dough Sunday #89
This Bayard Sunday #92
Yes - that was obviously rehearsed GenThePerservering Sunday #110
The shoes were his biggest concern Brother Buzz Sunday #112
The teleprompter screens weren't struck misanthrope Sunday #142
No. n/t demmiblue Sunday #5
No he is too much of a coward. Irish_Dem Sunday #6
The person wasn't particularly close to him. But yes. I think it was staged. Here's why: Scrivener7 Sunday #7
But the entire Secret Service staff on the site (dozens) would have been in on it that way Polybius Sunday #13
The police likely reported the kid to the Secret Service. Scrivener7 Sunday #16
I get what you're saying, but I still think too many would have have to have been in on it Polybius Sunday #18
Whether they were in on it or not, they allowed him to hang out there for 20 minutes Scrivener7 Sunday #23
All they needed to do was follow orders. That's all. nt GenThePerservering Sunday #111
Why not run to the media, or the Biden Administration? Polybius Sunday #149
And risk their jobs? MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #159
If they would be the one to get the story out, they would all be heroes Polybius 19 hrs ago #169
They don't follow that rule for major conspiracies. They own the media. travelingthrulife Sunday #64
Like the Penn State abuse scandal? Cirsium Sunday #72
A mother reported her son's abuse gab13by13 Sunday #100
Paterno Cirsium Sunday #126
You've got the outline for a good novel there! marble falls Sunday #30
Yeah, but those things did happen. And PS, it was already a movie - The Paralax View. Scrivener7 Sunday #33
They do seem to get a lot of their material from movies. AllyCat Sunday #74
Excellent analysis, Scrivener7 Grim Chieftain Sunday #55
Thank YOU! As I was writing that, one thing REALLY jumped out at me. Scrivener7 Sunday #104
Exactly, and consider the other "assassination attempt" Grim Chieftain Sunday #105
Dah winnah! raccoon Sunday #97
And as Trump was being ushered off the stage by SS, he made them stop and get his shoes. Sogo Sunday #107
No. I think Donald John was lucky Vogon_Glory Sunday #8
I agree with the first part of what you wrote Polybius Sunday #10
I think you're right. Vogon_Glory Sunday #22
I think in that parallel universe, DeSantis gets the nomination Polybius Sunday #147
That must be an alternate universe where he has lots of charisma, Vogon_Glory Sunday #165
Well, a non-charismatic person can win the presidency Polybius 19 hrs ago #170
No, because that would be impossible to pull off Polybius Sunday #9
The kid - the shooter - was shot and killed. Scrivener7 Sunday #12
Yes, so why would he take the offer knowing he'd be killed? Polybius Sunday #15
Maybe they lied to him. Liberal In Texas Sunday #17
That's what they do in the movies too Polybius Sunday #21
Not that hard to find among the base of young underachieving magat men. Scrivener7 Sunday #26
I don't it was staged but the shooter was the type of loser JI7 Sunday #160
He was an underachieving magat. They could have told him they were Scrivener7 Sunday #20
Is there any evidence that the person was in communication with members of Trumps team? Kaleva Sunday #48
I don't know of any, do you? I doubt they would broadcast it. Scrivener7 Sunday #50
Usualky criminals don't broadcast but the evidence convicts them Kaleva Sunday #69
Ok. And? Magats apparently love Signal. Scrivener7 Sunday #86
The shooter is the weak link, always. They have to be silenced, like LH Oswald. marble falls Sunday #32
It's Possible Kid Berwyn Sunday #11
How did his ear heal with no scar? Emile Sunday #19
Maybe there was no contact, for one reason or another. bucolic_frolic Sunday #31
I think Trump hired a hit person to take out Epstein too. Emile Sunday #24
That previously unreleased video of someone in an orange jumpsuit approaching Epstein's Scrivener7 Sunday #27
All we have now is this Emile Sunday #80
Of course he did. yellow dahlia Sunday #134
The behavior of the SS allowing him to stand with his fist in the air Ritabert Sunday #25
I saw somewhere that those flags attached to crane booms started to lower Liberal In Texas Sunday #28
I wouldn't be surprised. Ritabert Sunday #29
That's not a rumor angrychair Sunday #75
The videos I viewed show hydraulic fluid spewing from the equipment south of the stage. John1956PA Sunday #161
There's a non-zero chance Prairie Gates Sunday #34
Kooky CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sunday #35
Agreed. It is getting really tiresome. n/t Ms. Toad Sunday #63
I consider it likely the powers that wanted Trump to win so they could steal us blind would do such a thing. Attilatheblond Sunday #82
Do you consider the logistics required to successfully fake an assassination attempt? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #98
I referenced the powers that wanted Trump to win, you know the billionaires making/stealing $$ with him in power Attilatheblond Sunday #114
It's still Kooky CT Nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sunday #119
You do you, as is your right Attilatheblond Sunday #120
I do agree with MTG about this. I also agree with Massie about the Epstein files, and Liz Cheney Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #172
Putin told Viktor Orban gab13by13 Sunday #36
Ko-INKY- dink? I think not. yellow dahlia Sunday #135
To me it appears the SS let it happen either on purpose or just plain doc03 Sunday #37
His SS detail was decreased from when he was president and he didn't have a full presidential candidate detail yet. LeftInTX Sunday #81
Like moths to a flame JoseBalow Sunday #38
Yep Blue Full Moon Sunday #40
Yes DemMedic Sunday #41
the dead guy could have been a tragic accident rampartd Sunday #42
Three people were shot that day Retrograde Sunday #108
That answer follows Occam's Razor most closely misanthrope Sunday #144
Yes their names were released EdmondDantes_ Sunday #167
No orangecrush Sunday #43
Trumpsters say God deflected the bullet to save Trump's life. Norrrm Sunday #45
Yep Grim Chieftain Sunday #99
Of course he did Clouds Passing Sunday #46
Recruited a moron and then killed them Johonny Sunday #47
My husband used to think I'm crazy, but 100% that's what I believe. lark Sunday #49
ABSOLUTELY! Mr.Bee Sunday #51
No obnoxiousdrunk Sunday #52
I think it could have been staged mb40 Sunday #54
The first time they showed the shot T smacked his ear with force. Then he went down to the ground. Hope22 Sunday #56
Too complicated and too much risk. People talk. Leaks happen. paleotn Sunday #57
ding. this. AllaN01Bear Sunday #58
I think they hired a kid, who locals said was a known bad shot, to shoot above the crowd. travelingthrulife Sunday #59
Putin destroyed an apt building in a false flag action. 58Sunliner Sunday #60
It was three apt buildings, and his men were caught trying for a fourth. Crunchy Frog Sunday #156
Thanks for the correction. A real psychopath. 58Sunliner Sunday #166
No, he got lucky. BradBo Sunday #61
If he had actually been shot, he would never have jumped up and pumped his fist ashredux Sunday #62
This! hamsterjill Sunday #70
That's what bothers me, too. nt leftyladyfrommo Sunday #94
But another man died. Why? No blowback on that and never mentioned again. Srkdqltr Sunday #67
Yes angrychair Sunday #68
No blood gibraltar72 Sunday #71
Nothing would surprise me. He'd sacrifice one life for a good photo op as long as it wasn't his. Vinca Sunday #73
It'd make for a great thriller plot but... Tranquil72 Sunday #79
Wouldn't put it past him. Joinfortmill Sunday #83
The way the Secret Service left him exposed is a big clue it was faked dflprincess Sunday #84
Yeh, and the Secret Service was in on it. NoRethugFriends Sunday #87
For any person who thinks "how can anyone fall for Trump, you can only vote for him if you're a lousy person", biocube Sunday #88
Yes. OLDMDDEM Sunday #90
Golly. I wonder where Trump could have learned his flair for scripted dramatic events? True Dough Sunday #91
+1 dalton99a Sunday #162
Also, unless this video has been debunked, it's damning... True Dough Sunday #93
No; he wouldn't have the guts to be that close to danger (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sunday #95
No Kaleva Sunday #96
Don't you have to investigate to get evidence? gab13by13 Sunday #102
The Biden Administration investigated it Kaleva Sunday #106
Yes. This is krasnov we're talking about, so yes. AnotherMother4Peace Sunday #101
Sadly, this is applicable these days: True Dough Sunday #103
Trunp couldn't hire a gardener Fichefinder Sunday #109
I'm still trying to decide whether Melania hired the hitman, or whether JD did, or whether it was Stephen MIller, struggle4progress Sunday #113
We are still talking about it, that is all that matters to him Nictuku Sunday #115
Absolutely Blue Full Moon Sunday #116
OPTICS! Blue Owl Sunday #117
Can't rule it out. moondust Sunday #118
Given the nature of The Beast, B.See Sunday #121
I think that is as plausible sarisataka Sunday #122
Relevant! True Dough Sunday #123
Look, I don't know what that asshole did, but hamsterjill Sunday #125
De-rec. I'm dispirited that this CT miasma still floats around here like a toxic cloud. It's a bad look for our board. Celerity Sunday #128
I think that's a fair concern. Abolishinist Sunday #145
Agreed. The video stills show T's right palm (w/o blood) move to his right ear. John1956PA Sunday #150
Any payment? Chiefsfan Sunday #129
See post below. $4 million raised with a GoFundMe. IcyPeas Sunday #138
Don't forget the merch! MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #157
That's a rhetorical question, right? yellow dahlia Sunday #130
... True Dough Sunday #131
Do you see a bullet wound in that ear? True Dough Sunday #133
Wow. None whatsoever. Where's this photo from? I never saw it before. Scrivener7 Sunday #158
GoFundMe raised $4 million for victims.... IcyPeas Sunday #137
And there is this... Liberal In Texas Sunday #139
Considering that four LEOs near Trump were wounded by debris misanthrope Sunday #140
I only know one thing about this subject bluestarone Sunday #143
Biden Administration investigated this. Kaleva Sunday #152
If I may float the idea that Trump is a "Manchurian candidate" and so is the shooter, in addition Doodley Sunday #146
I've been calling him the Siberian Candidate for about 10 years now. Liberal In Texas Sunday #163
He probably had some of his "people" Crunchy Frog Sunday #148
No. The Trump orbit is made of idiots EdmondDantes_ Sunday #153
Many here think he's a mastermind Kaleva 14 hrs ago #173
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens. flvegan Sunday #154
Essentially, yes. I do not think he was really shot, and I do think he knew he wasn't shot/supposed to be shot. 50 Shades Of Blue Sunday #155
Two media videos CNYHarris 23 hrs ago #168
Not done here yet! True Dough 18 hrs ago #171

31st Street Bridge

(231 posts)
53. He wasn't shot. He didn't win. He's on the list.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:24 AM
Sunday

That's still the best sign/T-shirt I've seen.
It was all theatre. A bloody, fatal theatre.
I was amazed at how fast that photo of Secret Service agents lifting up the child rapist in Butler appeared on billboards here, north of Pittsburgh. They lifted the felon up like he was the flag at Iwo Jima.
Again, all theatre.

OhioBack2Blue

(149 posts)
164. Word of the day: KAYFABE
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:57 PM
Sunday

...the problem is people are really eing harmed, are suffering, unemployed, incomeless and not being hired, drowning in debt, being kicked off medicaid, being fired and unlicensed when living/ working as a person who is trans, having their constitutional rights being trampled, and being murdered.

pcdb

(127 posts)
124. How did Trump manage to fool the Secret Service?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 04:00 PM
Sunday

Or was the Biden admin in on the conspiracy?

IzzaNuDay

(1,305 posts)
132. And as an old fart, healing takes longer.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 05:42 PM
Sunday

Who in the F does he think he’s fooling? I’m hoping for a stroke or AAA to take him out. No time to fake those!!!

Joe Cool

(1,097 posts)
4. I do not believe the assassination attempt was staged,
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:29 AM
Sunday

but Trump was not shot. That is a definite. Either the bullet whizzed close enough by his that it caused some bleeding or he hit his head on the podium or floor and that is what caused the bleeding. There is no way he got shot if there is no scar. Plus, why hasn't he released the medical records from Butler Hospital?

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
14. "Either the bullet whizzed close enough by his that it caused some bleeding"
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:04 AM
Sunday

Even if it ever-so-slightly nicked him, that technically counts as being shot.

rampartd

(4,751 posts)
66. no bullet got anywhere near that podium
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:50 AM
Sunday

"these are my people. they are not here to shoot me." trump (jan 6)

mzmolly

(52,808 posts)
65. From what I have read,
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:49 AM
Sunday

it was speculated that some of the glass from the Teleprompter hit his ear. I agree he was not shot. But it sure is strange how he posed for a photo op shortly after the injury, when people were still presumably in danger of being murdered.

True Dough

(26,961 posts)
89. Standing on stage for several seconds, allowed to pump his fist in the air, yelling "Fight! Fight! Fight"
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:57 AM
Sunday

Secret Service agents would have been fired for permitting that in a real life-and-death situation.

GenThePerservering

(3,512 posts)
110. Yes - that was obviously rehearsed
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 01:36 PM
Sunday

that one agent even scooted down so she wouldn't obscure a good look at Trump being all heroic.

He doesn't have the presence of mind to do any of that on his own. And wasn't he looking for his shoes, first?

Brother Buzz

(40,107 posts)
112. The shoes were his biggest concern
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 02:01 PM
Sunday

Fear that his elevator shoes would remain on stage for the whole world to view was palpable.

misanthrope

(9,532 posts)
142. The teleprompter screens weren't struck
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:29 PM
Sunday

But debris from something else was created because four LEOs near Trump were struck by it.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
7. The person wasn't particularly close to him. But yes. I think it was staged. Here's why:
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:44 AM
Sunday

Last edited Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)

I think we have seen enough from these people that we can say a couple of dead rally attendees wouldn't make them lose any sleep. They've taken their senseless murder of hundreds of schoolgirls in their stride, so one or two magats are no big deal.

But here are the things that lead me to believe it was staged:

* A 20 year old maga kid who worked in the kitchen of an old age home was able to outwit the United States Secret Service and breach the security perimeter - by a lot - while carrying a gun bag. He was able to climb up on top of a white building while being dressed all in black, without being stopped.

*Said 20 year old, again dressed all in black, lay on top of the white building, with a gun, long enough for numerous rally attendees to point him out to police. No one did anything about him.

* The secret service knew he was on top of the building for 20 minutes before the shots, but did nothing about him. https://abcnews.com/US/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474

*After the shot, the secret service violated ALL of it's own protocols to allow the target to stand exposed so a photo could be taken. This was before they could possibly have known that the threat was over.

*After the shot, there is video that is widely available of a secret service agent ushering photographers to a spot where the optimal photo could be taken, again before they could possibly have known the threat was over. And at this point, there was no reason for anyone to know the secret service would be violating all their own protocols to make the photo possible.

*The wound, which required a maxi pad in the first few days, was miraculously healed a week later, leaving no scab and no scar, despite the fact that the recipient is an old man with obvious health problems.

*We recently learned about a Russian plot to stage an identical event to help Orban get elected.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
13. But the entire Secret Service staff on the site (dozens) would have been in on it that way
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:03 AM
Sunday

The rule of 3 for major conspiracies would be shattered. And what about the police? Were they in on it too?

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
16. The police likely reported the kid to the Secret Service.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:12 AM
Sunday

Who did nothing.

And it seems like the Secret Service is riddled with magats. Don't forget that Joe had to get rid of a bunch of the Secret Service guys who were on his detail. He chose a whole new crew because he didn't trust the original ones. Joe is not a guy prone to doing a lot of purging of staffs, so I think his choice to install agents he knew he could trust shows that he did not trust many of the others.

And no, it wouldn't have required that all the present agents were on it. The leader of the crew who allowed him to stand up could have given an order to stop and then Cankles posed for the picture. Then the one who shot the shooter, and maybe the one who positioned the photographers. That would have been sufficient.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
18. I get what you're saying, but I still think too many would have have to have been in on it
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:15 AM
Sunday

Not just the team leader, but the ones in the front too. Since some would have seen the kid, they would have had to be in on it too.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
23. Whether they were in on it or not, they allowed him to hang out there for 20 minutes
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:21 AM
Sunday

while doing nothing to stop him. Some DID know the kid was there. For TWENTY minutes. Somehow, they did nothing about it.

Whether they were in on it, or were ordered to do nothing about the reports or about the guy they could plainly see on top of the building, I don't know. But that's what happened.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
149. Why not run to the media, or the Biden Administration?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:58 PM
Sunday

Say "I was told to ignore the kid on the roof."

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,630 posts)
159. And risk their jobs?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:56 PM
Sunday

And their pensions?

Or any number of things these criminals would do to their lives and their families' lives?

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
169. If they would be the one to get the story out, they would all be heroes
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 05:10 AM
19 hrs ago

To big to fire. Biden would not fire them anyway, and Trump would have gotten arrested. Then they could have written books and got rich.

travelingthrulife

(5,355 posts)
64. They don't follow that rule for major conspiracies. They own the media.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:45 AM
Sunday

They own the message. I have no problem believing his secret service and local PD are completely corrupted. Look at the entire Republican Congress and GOP controlled courts. They are all corrupt.

Cirsium

(3,990 posts)
72. Like the Penn State abuse scandal?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:04 AM
Sunday

Years and years of abuse of children, hundreds of witnesses, the police, the head football coach, staff, the athletic director, the president of the university, coaches and administrators from other universities, many members of the press at the very least looked the other way for years and years.

If that conspiracy could occur to protect a stupid football program, do you really doubt that something much easier to accomplish could have been done to help Trump?

gab13by13

(32,498 posts)
100. A mother reported her son's abuse
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 12:44 PM
Sunday

By Sandusky To the state police early on.

Republican governor Corbett gave a rookie trooper a desk and told him to investigate.

The PS trustees were also to blame, but Paterno was railroaded, he died and couldn’t defend himself, he was the perfect scapegoat.

Cirsium

(3,990 posts)
126. Paterno
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 04:31 PM
Sunday

I won't give Paterno a pass. With the glory, the fame and the perks comes responsibility.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
33. Yeah, but those things did happen. And PS, it was already a movie - The Paralax View.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:37 AM
Sunday

A little different, but a lot of the same elements.

These guys have no imagination. They probably got the idea from the movie.

AllyCat

(18,913 posts)
74. They do seem to get a lot of their material from movies.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:08 AM
Sunday

Pulp Fiction, Call of Duty (VG), Independence Day, Silence of the Lambs, Patton…why not Parallax View?

Grim Chieftain

(1,876 posts)
55. Excellent analysis, Scrivener7
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:27 AM
Sunday

There are so many unanswered questions and things that simply don't add up. We probably won't have all the answers in our lifetime but raising questions is important.

Thank you

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
104. Thank YOU! As I was writing that, one thing REALLY jumped out at me.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 01:01 PM
Sunday

The Secret Service acted in a way they had never acted before during an assassination attempt. In every other assassination attempt, the Secret Service surrounds and covers the target and hustles him away from danger.

But the guy who ushered the photographers to the bottom of the stairs knew the Secret Service was going to violate all its protocols and allow the photo op.

How could he possibly know that?

Grim Chieftain

(1,876 posts)
105. Exactly, and consider the other "assassination attempt"
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 01:13 PM
Sunday

at the West Palm Beach golf course. The feds were on that ASAP. There is so, so much that doesn't add up, but with Trump, lies and deception are standard operating procedure.

Question everything and doubt nothing.

Sogo

(7,241 posts)
107. And as Trump was being ushered off the stage by SS, he made them stop and get his shoes.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 01:19 PM
Sunday

"Wait, my shoes!"

Some believe he didn't want anyone to see the lifts he uses in his shoes....

Vogon_Glory

(10,323 posts)
8. No. I think Donald John was lucky
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:45 AM
Sunday

If his would-be assassin had been using a hunting rife with a scope, JD Vance would have found himself at the top of the Republican Party ticket in the 2024 Presidential election.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
10. I agree with the first part of what you wrote
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:00 AM
Sunday

But Vance wasn't nominated until a few days after the attempted assassination in July 2024. I think the Republicans would have taken it to the convention, where there'd be a serious fight with many contenders for the nomination.

That's what I was hoping we would have done.

Vogon_Glory

(10,323 posts)
22. I think you're right.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:19 AM
Sunday

And on some parallel Earth, where what’s-his-name or what’s-his-name’s counterpart was mortally wounded, that must have been a very interesting Republican Party convention and general election. However, we live in the universe where God-Emperor Donald survived and we have one of the dystopian outcomes.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
147. I think in that parallel universe, DeSantis gets the nomination
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:52 PM
Sunday

And he wins even bigger than Trump did, because every MAGA voter is extremely motivated to vote.

Vogon_Glory

(10,323 posts)
165. That must be an alternate universe where he has lots of charisma,
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:05 PM
Sunday

A trait our universe’s DeSantis lacks. Are you quite sure about the size of his victory? I would have thought that if he won it would have been by a far narrower margin.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
170. Well, a non-charismatic person can win the presidency
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 05:18 AM
19 hrs ago

Look at W in 2000 and 2004. Although to be fair, his two opponents had no charisma either.

As for the size of his victory, I think MAGA would be super motivated, and Ron is (slightly) more capable than Trump, so the Right-leaning Indies who didn't vote may have voted for him.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
9. No, because that would be impossible to pull off
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:56 AM
Sunday

Plus that "hit person" as you call it would be shot himself, as the Secret Service would immediately fire back.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
15. Yes, so why would he take the offer knowing he'd be killed?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:06 AM
Sunday

Anyone who ever watched a movie knows that politicians who pay for a hit wind up killing the assassin. Dead men tell no tales.

Liberal In Texas

(16,320 posts)
17. Maybe they lied to him.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:13 AM
Sunday

I know this is a fantastical idea that these guys would lie, but maybe the kid was promised that he would get disappeared and shipped off somewhere tropical with a bag full of cash.

Polybius

(21,998 posts)
21. That's what they do in the movies too
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:18 AM
Sunday

They promise the assassin a ton of things, then they kill him. Unless the kid was just an idiot would believed anything.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
26. Not that hard to find among the base of young underachieving magat men.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:24 AM
Sunday

They believe Orange Jesus is their savior.

JI7

(93,765 posts)
160. I don't it was staged but the shooter was the type of loser
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:04 PM
Sunday

they would get if they were going to stage it.

He was a young MAGA incel loser type from a gun nut family .

He didn't have any friends or other social connections that would want to know more and look into it. The parents were MAGA and worship Trump.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
20. He was an underachieving magat. They could have told him they were
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:18 AM
Sunday

staging the event and that it would help his idol and he would be protected and allowed to escape. His success in getting inside the perimeter and lying on the roof for so long must have added to his confidence that was true.

I think it's likely he believed there was no plan to kill him.

Kaleva

(40,381 posts)
48. Is there any evidence that the person was in communication with members of Trumps team?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:14 AM
Sunday

Kaleva

(40,381 posts)
69. Usualky criminals don't broadcast but the evidence convicts them
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:55 AM
Sunday

The Biden Administration had several months to investigate this and to tge best of our knowledge, no evidence of communication was found.

bucolic_frolic

(55,437 posts)
31. Maybe there was no contact, for one reason or another.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:34 AM
Sunday

Either it was faked, or it was something analogous to "wind of the ball" injuries, a phenomenon known since the revolutionary war.

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/39282-wind-of-the-ball-injuries/

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
27. That previously unreleased video of someone in an orange jumpsuit approaching Epstein's
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:25 AM
Sunday

cell certainly disappeared from the news pretty quickly.

Seems like that video might have caused a war.

Ritabert

(2,504 posts)
25. The behavior of the SS allowing him to stand with his fist in the air
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:22 AM
Sunday

....while photographers were ushered to the best spot for a photo with the flag flying in the background tells you all you need to know. The photo appeared on merch within days. Contrast that with the attempt on Ronald Reagan where agents immediately shielded him with their bodies and whisked him into a limo.

Liberal In Texas

(16,320 posts)
28. I saw somewhere that those flags attached to crane booms started to lower
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:28 AM
Sunday

just as the commotion started to get into a position just behind the action for the photo background.

angrychair

(12,367 posts)
75. That's not a rumor
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:08 AM
Sunday

There is video out there of it. Granted, it could be Al I guess but I've seen the video circulating.

John1956PA

(5,014 posts)
161. The videos I viewed show hydraulic fluid spewing from the equipment south of the stage.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:05 PM
Sunday

As the fluid spews, the boom supporting the flag on that side of he stage falls a bit. The spray of fluid coincides with the shooter's first volley. I believe the round which nicked Trump's ear traveled on to strike the hydraulic equipment.

I do not know it there are videos showing further lowering of the flags subsequent to that initial partial boom drop.

Prairie Gates

(8,314 posts)
34. There's a non-zero chance
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:37 AM
Sunday

I doubt it, but the actual lack of damage to the ear is disturbing at the very least.

Remember that Lee Zeldin probably faked an attack in Buffalo when he was running for governor of New York.

If the same scenario played out but nobody was hit or killed, far more people would be skeptical.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,478 posts)
35. Kooky CT nonsense
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:47 AM
Sunday

Do you think Trump is emotionally stable enough to take to a rally stage knowing a murder was going to take place?

Others would have had to be in on this “plot” - the SS, his campaign staff, etc.

This “staged” CT is currently growing among disenchanted MAGA supporters, so folks should be aware of what kind of club they are joining by promoting this CT.

Attilatheblond

(9,056 posts)
82. I consider it likely the powers that wanted Trump to win so they could steal us blind would do such a thing.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:20 AM
Sunday

Fiendish Thingy

(23,478 posts)
98. Do you consider the logistics required to successfully fake an assassination attempt?
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 12:39 PM
Sunday

Because this administration is the most incompetent in history.

Attilatheblond

(9,056 posts)
114. I referenced the powers that wanted Trump to win, you know the billionaires making/stealing $$ with him in power
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 02:32 PM
Sunday

Those people have people who can (and likely will) do anything, . He didn't have an administration at the time of the 'assassination attempt' as it was prior to the 2024 election.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,478 posts)
119. It's still Kooky CT Nonsense
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 03:08 PM
Sunday

Absolutely, positively zero evidence it was faked.

Edit: those who believe the assassination attempt was faked are in the same camp as MTG.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221184701

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
172. I do agree with MTG about this. I also agree with Massie about the Epstein files, and Liz Cheney
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 09:35 AM
14 hrs ago

about January 6.

What's your point with that?

gab13by13

(32,498 posts)
36. Putin told Viktor Orban
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:48 AM
Sunday

To stage an assassination to help him get elected.
Why wouldn’t Putin tell agent Krasnov the same thing?

doc03

(39,117 posts)
37. To me it appears the SS let it happen either on purpose or just plain
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:49 AM
Sunday

incompetence and maybe he was hit by a piece of glass. Why did the SS let him stand for his photo making him a perfect
target for a second shot, very strange? Was there ever a medical report about him being treated in a hospital?

LeftInTX

(34,557 posts)
81. His SS detail was decreased from when he was president and he didn't have a full presidential candidate detail yet.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:19 AM
Sunday

His SS detail was "former president". It was upped to candidate status after the shooting. However, he would automatically receive increased protection after the convention anyway.

I don't think SS could control him anyway. Remember what he did when he had Covid???

rampartd

(4,751 posts)
42. the dead guy could have been a tragic accident
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:52 AM
Sunday

or possibly an "inconvenient" person

but the assassination was staged.

Retrograde

(11,431 posts)
108. Three people were shot that day
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 01:23 PM
Sunday

besides the gunman. One died, two recovered (were their names ever released? Did the locals or state police file any sort of report on their attempted murders? How badly were they injured?)

That's why I think the shooter really intended to kill Donnie. And being the opportunist he is, Trump played up a slight cut from flying debris into a full "I've been saved by god to run the country!" But without any hard data we can't know for sure.

misanthrope

(9,532 posts)
144. That answer follows Occam's Razor most closely
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:35 PM
Sunday

The pieces are all there and known publicly if folks would just be willing to see them.

Norrrm

(5,268 posts)
45. Trumpsters say God deflected the bullet to save Trump's life.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:05 AM
Sunday

Meaning God killed the firefighter for Trump.

lark

(26,087 posts)
49. My husband used to think I'm crazy, but 100% that's what I believe.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:15 AM
Sunday

Now that he's learned about SS herding all the reporters to where they could get a good shot less than a few min; before the shooting has even him asking if it wasn't faked.

mb40

(9 posts)
54. I think it could have been staged
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:26 AM
Sunday

but if it was, I think the guy on the roof fired blanks or was posed there with an unloaded gun because there is no way they would allow some inexperienced gunman to be in that position with real bullets. The man that was shot would have had to have been murdered by someone else in Trump's secret service at the same time, basically choosing a target in the crowd and the investigation conducted by his people.

Hope22

(4,811 posts)
56. The first time they showed the shot T smacked his ear with force. Then he went down to the ground.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:27 AM
Sunday

I thought that was the strangest thing but later replays did not show that. I always watched the replays and never saw that smacking again. Between that and the miracle ear heal it certainly left me wondering.

paleotn

(22,448 posts)
57. Too complicated and too much risk. People talk. Leaks happen.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:32 AM
Sunday

He took advantage of a situation.

travelingthrulife

(5,355 posts)
59. I think they hired a kid, who locals said was a known bad shot, to shoot above the crowd.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:40 AM
Sunday

He muffed the shot and killed someone. Then he was 'put down' according to plan
Trump asked at the hospital how it was playing on tv. There was no wound.

58Sunliner

(6,358 posts)
60. Putin destroyed an apt building in a false flag action.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:40 AM
Sunday

I think he would have allowed anything if he thought it would improve his chances of getting elected. It also appealed to him as a chance to grift and play the hero. Classic narcissist traits. He is a psychopath.

Crunchy Frog

(28,294 posts)
156. It was three apt buildings, and his men were caught trying for a fourth.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:37 PM
Sunday

It was mostly done to create a justification to resume the war against Chechnya.

There's nothing that these evil creatures in pursuit of absolute power won't do.

ashredux

(2,938 posts)
62. If he had actually been shot, he would never have jumped up and pumped his fist
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:44 AM
Sunday

Nobody who’s just been shot would do that

hamsterjill

(17,665 posts)
70. This!
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:58 AM
Sunday

Especially from someone who is as much a coward as this asshole obviously is. It was too much of a "John Wayne" moment for it to be real.

Srkdqltr

(9,833 posts)
67. But another man died. Why? No blowback on that and never mentioned again.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:52 AM
Sunday

Hope his family profited.

angrychair

(12,367 posts)
68. Yes
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:53 AM
Sunday

There can be no debate that his ear is perfectly normal, not a scar or mark on it.
If his ear is normal looking, then where did all the blood come from? That ridiculous bandage that was on his ear was not done by a medical professional but more likely than not, a makeup artist.

gibraltar72

(7,631 posts)
71. No blood
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:02 AM
Sunday

on the white shirt. Pics I've seen seem to show all over face but white shirt shows none. That much "blood" would be all over collar.

Vinca

(54,149 posts)
73. Nothing would surprise me. He'd sacrifice one life for a good photo op as long as it wasn't his.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:06 AM
Sunday

Tranquil72

(24 posts)
79. It'd make for a great thriller plot but...
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:15 AM
Sunday

I don’t see how they could have managed it. Too many moving parts, and way too many potential whistleblowers in the aftermath. Somebody would have spilled the beans.

But there are many unanswered questions. I for one cannot explain that apparently undamaged ear. And Trump did seem almost prepared for the photo that followed. Out of such questions are conspiracy theories born.

dflprincess

(29,366 posts)
84. The way the Secret Service left him exposed is a big clue it was faked
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:24 AM
Sunday

The man who was killed was just "collateral damage". Probably wasn't supposed to happen.

NoRethugFriends

(3,762 posts)
87. Yeh, and the Secret Service was in on it.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:28 AM
Sunday

Are you folks all kidding, or do you really believe that.

biocube

(234 posts)
88. For any person who thinks "how can anyone fall for Trump, you can only vote for him if you're a lousy person",
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:36 AM
Sunday

...here is exhibit A. Believing in preposterous nonsense like this makes 2020 election conspiracy theories seem intelligent by comparison.

Remember that the FBI Biden oversaw confirmed he was hit by the bullet. Do you think they found a young man skilled enough to make an ear shot and was willing to let the secret service or police kill him?

Come on...

True Dough

(26,961 posts)
93. Also, unless this video has been debunked, it's damning...
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 12:13 PM
Sunday
https://www.reddit.com/r/isthisAI/comments/1r69r78/video_of_photographers_being_ushered_in_and_flag/


EDIT: I'm normally opposed to conspiracy theories, but when Trump is involved, I don't rule out ANY possibility!

struggle4progress

(126,446 posts)
113. I'm still trying to decide whether Melania hired the hitman, or whether JD did, or whether it was Stephen MIller,
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 02:16 PM
Sunday

or one of his other supporters. I suspect that Miller and many of Trump's personal lawyers are corrupt enough; that JD and a bunch of Trump's political buddies are shamelessly opportunistic enough; and that any woman who's spent enough time with him is looking for a permanent escape. But there are so many possibilies, the mind boggles

moondust

(21,310 posts)
118. Can't rule it out.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 02:58 PM
Sunday

Maybe he promised the guy a pardon when convicted but some of the Secret Service didn't get the message to only arrest any "troublemakers" and not to shoot them.

sarisataka

(22,716 posts)
122. I think that is as plausible
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 03:44 PM
Sunday

as the moon landings being faked and the theory the Titanic didn't sink, it was an insurance scam

True Dough

(26,961 posts)
123. Relevant!
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 03:52 PM
Sunday
MAGA Is Increasingly Convinced the Trump Assassination Attempt Was Staged

Conspiracy theories about the Butler, Pennsylvania, shooting have ramped up in recent weeks as once steadfast Trump supporters turn on the president


https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/

hamsterjill

(17,665 posts)
125. Look, I don't know what that asshole did, but
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 04:27 PM
Sunday

I know an ear does NOT grow back when it's been blown off - even a small part of it. He was a reality television persona before his political career and I am sure he's capable of producing all kinds of stunts.

Just because we can't justify why it was staged does not mean that it was real. From day one, something has been suspicious about the whole episode.

Celerity

(54,666 posts)
128. De-rec. I'm dispirited that this CT miasma still floats around here like a toxic cloud. It's a bad look for our board.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 04:51 PM
Sunday


The CT dross continously popping up here is just so dire to see. The teleprompters were intact, people literally died, a bullet was photographed mid-flight, and the 'glass' that was seemingly endlessly ranted about back then was Trump's exposed ear cartilage.











Abolishinist

(2,981 posts)
145. I think that's a fair concern.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:07 PM
Sunday

When claims this serious get made without evidence, it doesn’t reflect especially well—on the argument or the forum.

At some point it stops being a discussion of what happened and becomes a discussion of what could be imagined.

John1956PA

(5,014 posts)
150. Agreed. The video stills show T's right palm (w/o blood) move to his right ear.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:58 PM
Sunday

That motion is simultaneous with the first shot. A photograph shows what could be a projectile moving south, away from T, after passing by the right side of his head. When T's right palm comes down from his right ear an instant later, it has blood on it. A second or two later, hydraulic fluid sprays from equipment at the south end of the deck.

Two or three more shots ensue in that first volley. The firefighter, seated to the north from where T was standing, is struck in the head by one of those rounds.

After a few seconds elapse, another volley commences. Video shows a male, south of where T was standing, sustaining the impact of a round to his abdomen. Another male is shot at this point. The injury is to his arm.

The sniper's volley concludes because of shots fired by one or more counter snipers. As I understand it, the first counter sniper round struck the sniper's rifle, rendering it inoperable. The second counter sniper round struck the sniper's head.

IcyPeas

(25,614 posts)
137. GoFundMe raised $4 million for victims....
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:01 PM
Sunday
.....has raised over $4 million, with top donors including Dana White and Kid Rock.

The GoFundMe, which says it is "President Trump authorized" is organized by Meredith O'Rourke,

Top donations so far for the O'Rourke GoFundMe include $50,000 from the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, $50,000 from American Hartford Gold, $50,000 from UFC CEO White and $50,000 from the singer Kid Rock.

Other large, notable donations to the fundraiser include $30,000 from former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, $25,000 from the Scaramucci family and $15,000 from conservative pundit Ben Shapiro.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/07/15/gofundme-corey-comperatore-trump-rally-victims/74405721007/

Liberal In Texas

(16,320 posts)
139. And there is this...
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:22 PM
Sunday

From Blue Sky

You can call it a hoax. You can call it a staged event. But mostly you can call it the workings of a sick, demented man.

LC (@lc1summit.bsky.social) 2026-04-19T15:48:01.079Z

misanthrope

(9,532 posts)
140. Considering that four LEOs near Trump were wounded by debris
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:26 PM
Sunday

I find it far more likely he was nicked on the ear by debris as well. It seems more likely than Trump being grazed by a live round just lightly enough to graze skin yet suffer no effects from cavitation. That's why they have kept any following "medical report" largely obscured except for a curiously definitive pronouncement from Dr. Ronny "Pill-popper" Jackson.

bluestarone

(22,320 posts)
143. I only know one thing about this subject
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 06:30 PM
Sunday

I know 100% that TSF is capable of doing any God Dam thing that NORMAL Americans would NEVER do!! That's a fact!

Doodley

(11,988 posts)
146. If I may float the idea that Trump is a "Manchurian candidate" and so is the shooter, in addition
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:45 PM
Sunday

to the most senior secret service official there that day.

A "Manchurian candidate" is a politician or person in a position of influence who is secretly manipulated, programmed, or brainwashed by an enemy power to act as a puppet against their own country's interests. Often acting unwittingly, the individual appears independent but serves a foreign or hidden agenda.
Dictionary.com

Crunchy Frog

(28,294 posts)
148. He probably had some of his "people"
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 07:54 PM
Sunday

handle all of the actual details for him. I don't think he's got enough executive function to arrange the whole thing himself.

Apparently the russians were talking about trying something similar with Viktor Orban.

EdmondDantes_

(1,957 posts)
153. No. The Trump orbit is made of idiots
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:00 PM
Sunday

They couldn't pull that off much less keep quiet. Trump got lucky the assassin missed and that he was able to milk it for attention. He's a relentless self promoter.

Kaleva

(40,381 posts)
173. Many here think he's a mastermind
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 09:43 AM
14 hrs ago

Or is the pawn of a group of masterminds.

The crap we see reported almost daily by reputable sources confirm otherwise.

50 Shades Of Blue

(11,436 posts)
155. Essentially, yes. I do not think he was really shot, and I do think he knew he wasn't shot/supposed to be shot.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:03 PM
Sunday

He and his minions don't give a shit about causing collateral damage.

CNYHarris

(149 posts)
168. Two media videos
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 12:33 AM
23 hrs ago




Ventura believes it to be a box cutter incident.

Remember the Secret Service was reportedly in on 1/6 too.

secret service tried to take mike pence away from the capitol to throw the election to trump. grassley was reported to be ready to challenge the result after pence was taken away by the SS.

True Dough

(26,961 posts)
171. Not done here yet!
Mon Apr 20, 2026, 05:49 AM
18 hrs ago

Donhammed Trumpistan
@TheRealDon85

Question Of The Day: Who the fuck chooses not to investigate their own assassination attempt?


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