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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo do you think Trump hired a hit person to
shoot someone standing close to him and then faked the rest of it?
dlilafae
(461 posts)31st Street Bridge
(231 posts)That's still the best sign/T-shirt I've seen.
It was all theatre. A bloody, fatal theatre.
I was amazed at how fast that photo of Secret Service agents lifting up the child rapist in Butler appeared on billboards here, north of Pittsburgh. They lifted the felon up like he was the flag at Iwo Jima.
Again, all theatre.
yellow dahlia
(6,173 posts)OhioBack2Blue
(149 posts)...the problem is people are really eing harmed, are suffering, unemployed, incomeless and not being hired, drowning in debt, being kicked off medicaid, being fired and unlicensed when living/ working as a person who is trans, having their constitutional rights being trampled, and being murdered.
Botany
(77,563 posts)A bullet wound does not heal in less than 2 weeks without leaving a scar or a scab.
pcdb
(127 posts)Or was the Biden admin in on the conspiracy?
IzzaNuDay
(1,305 posts)Who in the F does he think hes fooling? Im hoping for a stroke or AAA to take him out. No time to fake those!!!
Whip-poor-will
(343 posts)Did the hit man demand payment upfront just in case ??
Rebl2
(17,840 posts)did. They know his record of not paying
Joe Cool
(1,097 posts)but Trump was not shot. That is a definite. Either the bullet whizzed close enough by his that it caused some bleeding or he hit his head on the podium or floor and that is what caused the bleeding. There is no way he got shot if there is no scar. Plus, why hasn't he released the medical records from Butler Hospital?
Polybius
(21,998 posts)Even if it ever-so-slightly nicked him, that technically counts as being shot.
rampartd
(4,751 posts)BattleRow
(2,583 posts)rampartd
(4,751 posts)"these are my people. they are not here to shoot me." trump (jan 6)
NoRethugFriends
(3,762 posts)ZZenith
(4,474 posts)Do you believe his doctor?
misanthrope
(9,532 posts)His ear was seen weeks later and it showed no such damage or trauma.
mzmolly
(52,808 posts)it was speculated that some of the glass from the Teleprompter hit his ear. I agree he was not shot. But it sure is strange how he posed for a photo op shortly after the injury, when people were still presumably in danger of being murdered.
LeftInTX
(34,557 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,294 posts)True Dough
(26,961 posts)Secret Service agents would have been fired for permitting that in a real life-and-death situation.
It was all photo op, and to rile up the MAGAts.
GenThePerservering
(3,512 posts)that one agent even scooted down so she wouldn't obscure a good look at Trump being all heroic.
He doesn't have the presence of mind to do any of that on his own. And wasn't he looking for his shoes, first?
Brother Buzz
(40,107 posts)Fear that his elevator shoes would remain on stage for the whole world to view was palpable.
misanthrope
(9,532 posts)But debris from something else was created because four LEOs near Trump were struck by it.
demmiblue
(39,840 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,869 posts)Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)
I think we have seen enough from these people that we can say a couple of dead rally attendees wouldn't make them lose any sleep. They've taken their senseless murder of hundreds of schoolgirls in their stride, so one or two magats are no big deal.
But here are the things that lead me to believe it was staged:
* A 20 year old maga kid who worked in the kitchen of an old age home was able to outwit the United States Secret Service and breach the security perimeter - by a lot - while carrying a gun bag. He was able to climb up on top of a white building while being dressed all in black, without being stopped.
*Said 20 year old, again dressed all in black, lay on top of the white building, with a gun, long enough for numerous rally attendees to point him out to police. No one did anything about him.
* The secret service knew he was on top of the building for 20 minutes before the shots, but did nothing about him. https://abcnews.com/US/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474
*After the shot, the secret service violated ALL of it's own protocols to allow the target to stand exposed so a photo could be taken. This was before they could possibly have known that the threat was over.
*After the shot, there is video that is widely available of a secret service agent ushering photographers to a spot where the optimal photo could be taken, again before they could possibly have known the threat was over. And at this point, there was no reason for anyone to know the secret service would be violating all their own protocols to make the photo possible.
*The wound, which required a maxi pad in the first few days, was miraculously healed a week later, leaving no scab and no scar, despite the fact that the recipient is an old man with obvious health problems.
*We recently learned about a Russian plot to stage an identical event to help Orban get elected.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)The rule of 3 for major conspiracies would be shattered. And what about the police? Were they in on it too?
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)Who did nothing.
And it seems like the Secret Service is riddled with magats. Don't forget that Joe had to get rid of a bunch of the Secret Service guys who were on his detail. He chose a whole new crew because he didn't trust the original ones. Joe is not a guy prone to doing a lot of purging of staffs, so I think his choice to install agents he knew he could trust shows that he did not trust many of the others.
And no, it wouldn't have required that all the present agents were on it. The leader of the crew who allowed him to stand up could have given an order to stop and then Cankles posed for the picture. Then the one who shot the shooter, and maybe the one who positioned the photographers. That would have been sufficient.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)Not just the team leader, but the ones in the front too. Since some would have seen the kid, they would have had to be in on it too.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)while doing nothing to stop him. Some DID know the kid was there. For TWENTY minutes. Somehow, they did nothing about it.
Whether they were in on it, or were ordered to do nothing about the reports or about the guy they could plainly see on top of the building, I don't know. But that's what happened.
GenThePerservering
(3,512 posts)Polybius
(21,998 posts)Say "I was told to ignore the kid on the roof."
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,630 posts)And their pensions?
Or any number of things these criminals would do to their lives and their families' lives?
Polybius
(21,998 posts)To big to fire. Biden would not fire them anyway, and Trump would have gotten arrested. Then they could have written books and got rich.
travelingthrulife
(5,355 posts)They own the message. I have no problem believing his secret service and local PD are completely corrupted. Look at the entire Republican Congress and GOP controlled courts. They are all corrupt.
Cirsium
(3,990 posts)Years and years of abuse of children, hundreds of witnesses, the police, the head football coach, staff, the athletic director, the president of the university, coaches and administrators from other universities, many members of the press at the very least looked the other way for years and years.
If that conspiracy could occur to protect a stupid football program, do you really doubt that something much easier to accomplish could have been done to help Trump?
gab13by13
(32,498 posts)By Sandusky To the state police early on.
Republican governor Corbett gave a rookie trooper a desk and told him to investigate.
The PS trustees were also to blame, but Paterno was railroaded, he died and couldnt defend himself, he was the perfect scapegoat.
Cirsium
(3,990 posts)I won't give Paterno a pass. With the glory, the fame and the perks comes responsibility.
marble falls
(72,166 posts)Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)A little different, but a lot of the same elements.
These guys have no imagination. They probably got the idea from the movie.
AllyCat
(18,913 posts)Pulp Fiction, Call of Duty (VG), Independence Day, Silence of the Lambs, Patton why not Parallax View?
Grim Chieftain
(1,876 posts)There are so many unanswered questions and things that simply don't add up. We probably won't have all the answers in our lifetime but raising questions is important.
Thank you
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)The Secret Service acted in a way they had never acted before during an assassination attempt. In every other assassination attempt, the Secret Service surrounds and covers the target and hustles him away from danger.
But the guy who ushered the photographers to the bottom of the stairs knew the Secret Service was going to violate all its protocols and allow the photo op.
How could he possibly know that?
Grim Chieftain
(1,876 posts)at the West Palm Beach golf course. The feds were on that ASAP. There is so, so much that doesn't add up, but with Trump, lies and deception are standard operating procedure.
Question everything and doubt nothing.
raccoon
(32,426 posts)Sogo
(7,241 posts)"Wait, my shoes!"
Some believe he didn't want anyone to see the lifts he uses in his shoes....
Vogon_Glory
(10,323 posts)If his would-be assassin had been using a hunting rife with a scope, JD Vance would have found himself at the top of the Republican Party ticket in the 2024 Presidential election.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)But Vance wasn't nominated until a few days after the attempted assassination in July 2024. I think the Republicans would have taken it to the convention, where there'd be a serious fight with many contenders for the nomination.
That's what I was hoping we would have done.
Vogon_Glory
(10,323 posts)And on some parallel Earth, where whats-his-name or whats-his-names counterpart was mortally wounded, that must have been a very interesting Republican Party convention and general election. However, we live in the universe where God-Emperor Donald survived and we have one of the dystopian outcomes.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)And he wins even bigger than Trump did, because every MAGA voter is extremely motivated to vote.
Vogon_Glory
(10,323 posts)A trait our universes DeSantis lacks. Are you quite sure about the size of his victory? I would have thought that if he won it would have been by a far narrower margin.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)Look at W in 2000 and 2004. Although to be fair, his two opponents had no charisma either.
As for the size of his victory, I think MAGA would be super motivated, and Ron is (slightly) more capable than Trump, so the Right-leaning Indies who didn't vote may have voted for him.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)Plus that "hit person" as you call it would be shot himself, as the Secret Service would immediately fire back.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)Polybius
(21,998 posts)Anyone who ever watched a movie knows that politicians who pay for a hit wind up killing the assassin. Dead men tell no tales.
Liberal In Texas
(16,320 posts)I know this is a fantastical idea that these guys would lie, but maybe the kid was promised that he would get disappeared and shipped off somewhere tropical with a bag full of cash.
Polybius
(21,998 posts)They promise the assassin a ton of things, then they kill him. Unless the kid was just an idiot would believed anything.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)They believe Orange Jesus is their savior.
JI7
(93,765 posts)they would get if they were going to stage it.
He was a young MAGA incel loser type from a gun nut family .
He didn't have any friends or other social connections that would want to know more and look into it. The parents were MAGA and worship Trump.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)staging the event and that it would help his idol and he would be protected and allowed to escape. His success in getting inside the perimeter and lying on the roof for so long must have added to his confidence that was true.
I think it's likely he believed there was no plan to kill him.
Kaleva
(40,381 posts)Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)Kaleva
(40,381 posts)The Biden Administration had several months to investigate this and to tge best of our knowledge, no evidence of communication was found.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)marble falls
(72,166 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,714 posts)Trump is murdering children, fishermen and anyone he wants right now.
Emile
(42,657 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,437 posts)Either it was faked, or it was something analogous to "wind of the ball" injuries, a phenomenon known since the revolutionary war.
https://modelshipworld.com/topic/39282-wind-of-the-ball-injuries/
Emile
(42,657 posts)But, can't prove it.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)cell certainly disappeared from the news pretty quickly.
Seems like that video might have caused a war.
Emile
(42,657 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,173 posts)Ritabert
(2,504 posts)....while photographers were ushered to the best spot for a photo with the flag flying in the background tells you all you need to know. The photo appeared on merch within days. Contrast that with the attempt on Ronald Reagan where agents immediately shielded him with their bodies and whisked him into a limo.
Liberal In Texas
(16,320 posts)just as the commotion started to get into a position just behind the action for the photo background.
Ritabert
(2,504 posts)angrychair
(12,367 posts)There is video out there of it. Granted, it could be Al I guess but I've seen the video circulating.
John1956PA
(5,014 posts)As the fluid spews, the boom supporting the flag on that side of he stage falls a bit. The spray of fluid coincides with the shooter's first volley. I believe the round which nicked Trump's ear traveled on to strike the hydraulic equipment.
I do not know it there are videos showing further lowering of the flags subsequent to that initial partial boom drop.
Prairie Gates
(8,314 posts)I doubt it, but the actual lack of damage to the ear is disturbing at the very least.
Remember that Lee Zeldin probably faked an attack in Buffalo when he was running for governor of New York.
If the same scenario played out but nobody was hit or killed, far more people would be skeptical.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,478 posts)Do you think Trump is emotionally stable enough to take to a rally stage knowing a murder was going to take place?
Others would have had to be in on this plot - the SS, his campaign staff, etc.
This staged CT is currently growing among disenchanted MAGA supporters, so folks should be aware of what kind of club they are joining by promoting this CT.
Ms. Toad
(38,726 posts)Attilatheblond
(9,056 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(23,478 posts)Because this administration is the most incompetent in history.
Attilatheblond
(9,056 posts)Those people have people who can (and likely will) do anything, . He didn't have an administration at the time of the 'assassination attempt' as it was prior to the 2024 election.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,478 posts)Absolutely, positively zero evidence it was faked.
Edit: those who believe the assassination attempt was faked are in the same camp as MTG.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221184701
Attilatheblond
(9,056 posts)Others' mileage will vary.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)about January 6.
What's your point with that?
gab13by13
(32,498 posts)To stage an assassination to help him get elected.
Why wouldnt Putin tell agent Krasnov the same thing?
yellow dahlia
(6,173 posts)doc03
(39,117 posts)incompetence and maybe he was hit by a piece of glass. Why did the SS let him stand for his photo making him a perfect
target for a second shot, very strange? Was there ever a medical report about him being treated in a hospital?
LeftInTX
(34,557 posts)His SS detail was "former president". It was upped to candidate status after the shooting. However, he would automatically receive increased protection after the convention anyway.
I don't think SS could control him anyway. Remember what he did when he had Covid???
JoseBalow
(9,604 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,558 posts)He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
DemMedic
(597 posts)x1000
rampartd
(4,751 posts)or possibly an "inconvenient" person
but the assassination was staged.
Retrograde
(11,431 posts)besides the gunman. One died, two recovered (were their names ever released? Did the locals or state police file any sort of report on their attempted murders? How badly were they injured?)
That's why I think the shooter really intended to kill Donnie. And being the opportunist he is, Trump played up a slight cut from flying debris into a full "I've been saved by god to run the country!" But without any hard data we can't know for sure.
misanthrope
(9,532 posts)The pieces are all there and known publicly if folks would just be willing to see them.
EdmondDantes_
(1,957 posts)Corey Comperatore, 50, was killed at the rally, and two others David Dutch and James Copenhaver were critically injured.
orangecrush
(30,676 posts)Norrrm
(5,268 posts)Meaning God killed the firefighter for Trump.
But then again, their god is Satan, so there is that.
Clouds Passing
(8,072 posts)Johonny
(26,366 posts)Possible. Hired a professional hitman...no.
lark
(26,087 posts)Now that he's learned about SS herding all the reporters to where they could get a good shot less than a few min; before the shooting has even him asking if it wasn't faked.
Mr.Bee
(1,849 posts)You don't build anything in Manhattan without the help of... you know who...
obnoxiousdrunk
(3,116 posts)mb40
(9 posts)but if it was, I think the guy on the roof fired blanks or was posed there with an unloaded gun because there is no way they would allow some inexperienced gunman to be in that position with real bullets. The man that was shot would have had to have been murdered by someone else in Trump's secret service at the same time, basically choosing a target in the crowd and the investigation conducted by his people.
Hope22
(4,811 posts)I thought that was the strangest thing but later replays did not show that. I always watched the replays and never saw that smacking again. Between that and the miracle ear heal it certainly left me wondering.
paleotn
(22,448 posts)He took advantage of a situation.
AllaN01Bear
(29,686 posts)travelingthrulife
(5,355 posts)He muffed the shot and killed someone. Then he was 'put down' according to plan
Trump asked at the hospital how it was playing on tv. There was no wound.
58Sunliner
(6,358 posts)I think he would have allowed anything if he thought it would improve his chances of getting elected. It also appealed to him as a chance to grift and play the hero. Classic narcissist traits. He is a psychopath.
Crunchy Frog
(28,294 posts)It was mostly done to create a justification to resume the war against Chechnya.
There's nothing that these evil creatures in pursuit of absolute power won't do.
58Sunliner
(6,358 posts)BradBo
(1,034 posts)ashredux
(2,938 posts)Nobody whos just been shot would do that
hamsterjill
(17,665 posts)Especially from someone who is as much a coward as this asshole obviously is. It was too much of a "John Wayne" moment for it to be real.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,015 posts)Srkdqltr
(9,833 posts)Hope his family profited.
angrychair
(12,367 posts)There can be no debate that his ear is perfectly normal, not a scar or mark on it.
If his ear is normal looking, then where did all the blood come from? That ridiculous bandage that was on his ear was not done by a medical professional but more likely than not, a makeup artist.
gibraltar72
(7,631 posts)on the white shirt. Pics I've seen seem to show all over face but white shirt shows none. That much "blood" would be all over collar.
Vinca
(54,149 posts)Tranquil72
(24 posts)I dont see how they could have managed it. Too many moving parts, and way too many potential whistleblowers in the aftermath. Somebody would have spilled the beans.
But there are many unanswered questions. I for one cannot explain that apparently undamaged ear. And Trump did seem almost prepared for the photo that followed. Out of such questions are conspiracy theories born.
Joinfortmill
(21,372 posts)dflprincess
(29,366 posts)The man who was killed was just "collateral damage". Probably wasn't supposed to happen.
NoRethugFriends
(3,762 posts)Are you folks all kidding, or do you really believe that.
biocube
(234 posts)...here is exhibit A. Believing in preposterous nonsense like this makes 2020 election conspiracy theories seem intelligent by comparison.
Remember that the FBI Biden oversaw confirmed he was hit by the bullet. Do you think they found a young man skilled enough to make an ear shot and was willing to let the secret service or police kill him?
Come on...
OLDMDDEM
(3,220 posts)True Dough
(26,961 posts)
True Dough
(26,961 posts)EDIT: I'm normally opposed to conspiracy theories, but when Trump is involved, I don't rule out ANY possibility!
muriel_volestrangler
(106,365 posts)Kaleva
(40,381 posts)Nobody has been able to produce any evidence that happened.
gab13by13
(32,498 posts)Kaleva
(40,381 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(5,159 posts)True Dough
(26,961 posts)
Fichefinder
(435 posts)But someone did.
struggle4progress
(126,446 posts)or one of his other supporters. I suspect that Miller and many of Trump's personal lawyers are corrupt enough; that JD and a bunch of Trump's political buddies are shamelessly opportunistic enough; and that any woman who's spent enough time with him is looking for a permanent escape. But there are so many possibilies, the mind boggles
Nictuku
(4,669 posts)Blue Full Moon
(3,558 posts)You know those crisis actors they always talk about. All of it smells.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-joins-list-of-people-questioning-trump-assassination-attempt_n_69e4e24be4b09c81bf18d646
Blue Owl
(59,332 posts)Optics have always been the fat fucks main concern.
moondust
(21,310 posts)Maybe he promised the guy a pardon when convicted but some of the Secret Service didn't get the message to only arrest any "troublemakers" and not to shoot them.
B.See
(8,604 posts)I'd say there's a high probability.
sarisataka
(22,716 posts)as the moon landings being faked and the theory the Titanic didn't sink, it was an insurance scam
True Dough
(26,961 posts)Conspiracy theories about the Butler, Pennsylvania, shooting have ramped up in recent weeks as once steadfast Trump supporters turn on the president
https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/
hamsterjill
(17,665 posts)I know an ear does NOT grow back when it's been blown off - even a small part of it. He was a reality television persona before his political career and I am sure he's capable of producing all kinds of stunts.
Just because we can't justify why it was staged does not mean that it was real. From day one, something has been suspicious about the whole episode.
Celerity
(54,666 posts)The CT dross continously popping up here is just so dire to see. The teleprompters were intact, people literally died, a bullet was photographed mid-flight, and the 'glass' that was seemingly endlessly ranted about back then was Trump's exposed ear cartilage.






Abolishinist
(2,981 posts)When claims this serious get made without evidence, it doesnt reflect especially wellon the argument or the forum.
At some point it stops being a discussion of what happened and becomes a discussion of what could be imagined.
John1956PA
(5,014 posts)That motion is simultaneous with the first shot. A photograph shows what could be a projectile moving south, away from T, after passing by the right side of his head. When T's right palm comes down from his right ear an instant later, it has blood on it. A second or two later, hydraulic fluid sprays from equipment at the south end of the deck.
Two or three more shots ensue in that first volley. The firefighter, seated to the north from where T was standing, is struck in the head by one of those rounds.
After a few seconds elapse, another volley commences. Video shows a male, south of where T was standing, sustaining the impact of a round to his abdomen. Another male is shot at this point. The injury is to his arm.
The sniper's volley concludes because of shots fired by one or more counter snipers. As I understand it, the first counter sniper round struck the sniper's rifle, rendering it inoperable. The second counter sniper round struck the sniper's head.
Chiefsfan
(2 posts)Did the shooter's family come into a lot of money?
IcyPeas
(25,614 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,630 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,173 posts)True Dough
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True Dough
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Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)IcyPeas
(25,614 posts)The GoFundMe, which says it is "President Trump authorized" is organized by Meredith O'Rourke,
Top donations so far for the O'Rourke GoFundMe include $50,000 from the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, $50,000 from American Hartford Gold, $50,000 from UFC CEO White and $50,000 from the singer Kid Rock.
Other large, notable donations to the fundraiser include $30,000 from former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, $25,000 from the Scaramucci family and $15,000 from conservative pundit Ben Shapiro.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/07/15/gofundme-corey-comperatore-trump-rally-victims/74405721007/
Liberal In Texas
(16,320 posts)From Blue Sky
You can call it a hoax. You can call it a staged event. But mostly you can call it the workings of a sick, demented man.
— LC (@lc1summit.bsky.social) 2026-04-19T15:48:01.079Z
misanthrope
(9,532 posts)I find it far more likely he was nicked on the ear by debris as well. It seems more likely than Trump being grazed by a live round just lightly enough to graze skin yet suffer no effects from cavitation. That's why they have kept any following "medical report" largely obscured except for a curiously definitive pronouncement from Dr. Ronny "Pill-popper" Jackson.
bluestarone
(22,320 posts)I know 100% that TSF is capable of doing any God Dam thing that NORMAL Americans would NEVER do!! That's a fact!
Kaleva
(40,381 posts)Doodley
(11,988 posts)to the most senior secret service official there that day.
A "Manchurian candidate" is a politician or person in a position of influence who is secretly manipulated, programmed, or brainwashed by an enemy power to act as a puppet against their own country's interests. Often acting unwittingly, the individual appears independent but serves a foreign or hidden agenda.
Dictionary.com
Liberal In Texas
(16,320 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,294 posts)handle all of the actual details for him. I don't think he's got enough executive function to arrange the whole thing himself.
Apparently the russians were talking about trying something similar with Viktor Orban.
EdmondDantes_
(1,957 posts)They couldn't pull that off much less keep quiet. Trump got lucky the assassin missed and that he was able to milk it for attention. He's a relentless self promoter.
Kaleva
(40,381 posts)Or is the pawn of a group of masterminds.
The crap we see reported almost daily by reputable sources confirm otherwise.
flvegan
(66,378 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(11,436 posts)He and his minions don't give a shit about causing collateral damage.
CNYHarris
(149 posts)Ventura believes it to be a box cutter incident.
Remember the Secret Service was reportedly in on 1/6 too.
secret service tried to take mike pence away from the capitol to throw the election to trump. grassley was reported to be ready to challenge the result after pence was taken away by the SS.
True Dough
(26,961 posts)Donhammed Trumpistan
@TheRealDon85
Question Of The Day: Who the fuck chooses not to investigate their own assassination attempt?
Link to tweet