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https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania/fetterman-iran-must-be-so-excited-by-the-american-media-and-the-democratic-party/Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) is criticizing fellow Democrats and the media for not showing more support for military operations against Iran, quipping that Iran must be so excited that the Democratic Party and leading media outlets are putting pressure on President Trump to cease hostilities as soon as possible.
Its almost as if, you know, weve forgotten on the Democratic side that the real enemy, the real threat, the real danger is Iran and proxies too, Fetterman told Fox News in an interview Wednesday evening.
He said constant Democratic criticism of Trumps military operations against Iran is giving the Iranian regime hope that if it can withstand missile strikes and a U.S. naval blockade of its ports for a few more weeks, Trump will be forced by political pressure to pull back.
You know, Iran must be so excited by the American media and the Democratic Party the way they, its like, as long as we can hang on for 60 days, more and more people continue to vote against, you know, the Trump administration to end the Iranian regime, he said. (continues)
Another day ending in -y for him licking Trump's shoes.
JBTaurus83
(1,584 posts)Dems need to start hitting him back very publicly.
Chasstev365
(7,994 posts)mucifer
(25,704 posts)Chasstev365
(7,994 posts)themaguffin
(5,299 posts)wcmagumba
(6,490 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,844 posts)Celerity
(54,760 posts)Boo1
(422 posts)the stroke.
Holding a jogger at gunpoint for instance.
Celerity
(54,760 posts)(who was in prison serving an 18- to 36-month sentence after being convicted in 2019 of kidnapping, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, etc) said in a letter to The Philadelphia Inquirer he hoped Fetterman would win the 2022 US Senate race.
The bottom line is that pre-stroke Fetterman was profoundly different (a claim backed up by so many surrounding him in his personal, professional, and political life) from the post- stroke Fetterman. He is perma-changed and perma-damaged in my (and countless others') opinion.
Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid
https://archive.ph/dd339
CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER
A man confronted in 2013 by a shotgun-wielding John Fetterman then mayor of Braddock, now lieutenant governor and running for the U.S. Senate claims Mr. Fetterman has "lied about everything" that happened that day. But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator. "Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)
The shotgun incident long has been discussed in political circles as Mr. Fetterman's career soared. But it has drawn new attention amid the racial reckoning stoked after the police killing of George Floyd and as Mr. Fetterman, a favorite of progressives, emerged as the early Democratic front-runner in a race next year that could determine control of the Senate.
Mr. Fetterman and Miyares tell very different versions about that January day from eight years back. Mr. Fetterman's story: He heard gunfire near his home in Braddock and saw a man wearing a mask running away, so he called 911, chased him down in his truck, and approached him with a shotgun in hand. Mr. Fetterman, who is white, has repeatedly denied knowing Miyares was Black or pointing the shotgun at him.
Miyares lived in Braddock at the time and said he liked Mr. Fetterman, but disputed his account. "He lied about everything," Miyares wrote. He has previously said he was jogging in the neighborhood when he heard fireworks, just before Mr. Fetterman confronted him. "He knew my race. The gun was aimed at my chest while he loaded five red shells into the tube of the 12-gauge TAC shotgun," Miyares wrote. "Once he finished, he aimed it at my face out of the Ford F-150 Truck." But in a second letter to The Inquirer, postmarked on the same day last month, Miyares said Mr. Fetterman could face a political backlash now if the Senate candidate revised his account. "Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good," Miyares wrote. "Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it." He signed that letter: "Gooo Fetterman."
The accounts of both men match a description in a 2013 incident report filed by Braddock police, who said Miyares was unarmed. The officer who responded to the 911 call said two people in the area stopped him to say "they heard several shots" before he got to Mr. Fetterman and Miyares. The officer wrote that Miyares, 36, was wearing "running clothing" and headphones and was "very cooperative, but was upset that Fetterman pulled a shotgun on him." Miyares' letters were in response to a letter from The Inquirer, seeking his version of the incident. He is serving an 18- to 36-month sentence after being convicted in 2019 of kidnapping, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, and other crimes against a woman who hired him for a ride to work. Miyares contended in his letter that he is "in prison for a crime I didn't commit."
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Boo1
(422 posts)Fetterman was holding an unarmed black jogger at the end of a shotgun, after chasing him down in his truck.
Are you trying to say that since he was in prison for something totally unrelated a decade later that it makes it ok?
Celerity
(54,760 posts)changed him and not for the better.
Boo1
(422 posts)Was his platform. More eyes on him to see how big of a shithead he always was.
Celerity
(54,760 posts)travelingthrulife
(5,442 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,631 posts)When he switches to "Democrat" as the adjective, that will complete his transition.
walkingman
(11,057 posts)Being from Texas, not judging the State for having elected a dipshit for Senator because we have some real jewels (Cornyn and Cruz) but just can't see how he ever got the support of Dems?
lame54
(39,956 posts)It's been downhill from there
JBTaurus83
(1,584 posts)Against a more qualified candidate. The primary voters wanted to pin any magical wishes and hopes on Fettermans campaign which was light on details. Apparently all he had to do was travel around looking like a slob. He then had a stroke during the campaign and only won because his competition was Oz who actually lives in Jersey.
walkingman
(11,057 posts)I always thought of Pa. as a pretty progressive place. I guess it depends on what district like in Texas. Here almost every Texas city is blue but everywhere else is deep red....which I find very weird. I happen to live in rural Texas and it is about as not-progressive as you could possibly imagine.
JBTaurus83
(1,584 posts)The rest of the state is basically Kentucky. Its always a battle for turnout.
LeftInTX
(34,696 posts)Skittles
(172,336 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 23, 2026, 09:39 PM - Edit history (1)
I think the stroke turned him red
MyOwnPeace
(17,601 posts)led public hearings on the legalization of weed!
I'd love to hear his stance on that now.....
walkingman
(11,057 posts)but admittedly never tried any of the more modern versions that are supposed to be much stronger - wish Texas would legalize.
Skittles
(172,336 posts)I've never found pot smokers to be scary in any way
walkingman
(11,057 posts)Ocelot II
(130,977 posts)The_REAL_Ecumenist
(964 posts)know how it actually protects itself, you'd know how much I despise that demented sumbitch. It not only has spines, those spines are BARBED like porcupine spines are, which work their way deeper as you move. So you can see how much animus I have for that broken headed Lurch traitor. Can he be recalled?
Cha
(319,920 posts)in the fukcing WH.
You're being Stupid Fettterman.
Do you Ever call out fucking PEDO?
lame54
(39,956 posts)MIButterfly
(3,009 posts)My aunt once asked me if I knew who was a rising star in the "Democrat" party. Oh, do tell who you think is a rising star in the DEMOCRATIC party. "John Fetterman. He wrote a book called Unfettered." Well, that certainly nails it.
She probably got that bit of wisdom from my ultra-conservative, Rush Limbaugh worshipping uncle. She doesn't have a single opinion that didn't come flying out of my uncle's ass.
I never talk politics with these people. It's an exercise in futility.
lame54
(39,956 posts)Now, he's an enabler
dalton99a
(94,879 posts)Cha
(319,920 posts)I was for Conor Lamb, and I got told that Fetterman was a real "progressive" and Lamb was a "centrist".
Emile
(42,847 posts)Cha
(319,920 posts)supports and votes for the Fascist wing.
And, Conor Lamb is not "worthless". "AOC has apologized to him".
Emile
(42,847 posts)Nixie
(18,056 posts)Bernies approval in these contexts.
Emile
(42,847 posts)Bernie endorsed Mamdani, Schumer didn't. Schumer's approval in these contexts.
Nixie
(18,056 posts)endorsed which was the constant demand from Bernie fans endorse Bernies progressives.
Emile
(42,847 posts)that he transferred in campaign funds to his effort, done more for his victory than Bernie's endorsement. Endorsements from the
Minority Leader of the United States Senate carries more weight than a single senator from Vermont.
Nixie
(18,056 posts)the party after he won the primary. Bernies candidate Fetterman ran against centrist Conor Lamb. Using AI wont change the facts that progressives wanted Bernies candidate Fetterman endorsed and supported by the party leaders.
Have a good day Nixie.
Yes, trying to change history to keep from taking responsibility is very funny stuff.
Cha
(319,920 posts)Nixie
(18,056 posts)a big win here for Bernie and progressives.
Thanks for the article as a reminder.
Cha
(319,920 posts)I sure didn't forget.
Interesting how Sanders' influence is being minimized.
💔💙 ☮️🌻🕯️🕊️💜
tritsofme
(19,929 posts)Schumer supporting Fetterman after he became the Democratic nominee isnt some special signalits literally his job as leader to back the partys candidate in a battleground race.
If you want to talk about ownership, Bernie endorsed and pushed Fetterman during the primary, when there were actually alternative choices like Conor Lamb. Thats when support matters.
Calling him Schumers candidate is just silly. Bernie has more claim to this mess than Schumer ever did.
As Nixie mentioned above, this is a pretty sad attempt at dodging accountability.
MichMan
(17,291 posts)Cha
(319,920 posts)https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2018-07-12/bernie-sanders-returns-to-pittsburgh-to-stump-for-john-fetterman
Emile
(42,847 posts)endorsed candidate.
And thank you!
Cha
(319,920 posts)yeah, I'd say that's not "prggressive" and an early RED FLAG.
"He said PEDO was kind..." blah blah..
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5108831-john-fetterman-trump-mar-a-lago-meeting/
Mahalo, Patriot
sheshe2
(98,062 posts)And now, we are stuck with him for 2 more years.
Cha
(319,920 posts)with the non-fascist/ Patriot giant wing of the USA
History will not be kind if we get our Democracy and sanity back! 💙💔☮️🌻🕯️🕊️💜
niyad
(133,442 posts)sheshe2
(98,062 posts)riversedge
(81,310 posts)republianmushroom
(22,500 posts)paleotn
(22,505 posts)It's all about him and always was. Time for PA to send him back to whatever bum fuck town he crawled out of.
Emile
(42,847 posts)AI Overview
Senator John Fetterman is increasingly considered a centrist or center-left Democrat, having shifted away from his initial progressive branding. He frequently breaks with his party on key issues, including strong support for Israel, strict border policies, and criticizing left-wing viewpoints, leading to popularity gains among Republicans and tensions with progressive constituents.
paleotn
(22,505 posts)Please.
Emile
(42,847 posts)paleotn
(22,505 posts)Emile
(42,847 posts)paleotn
(22,505 posts)Please.
An artifact of our current politics unfortunately.
Emile
(42,847 posts)paleotn
(22,505 posts)You know, Donnie's paramilitaries who gun down Americans in the goddamn street. Remember them? Or are you cool with Trump's ICE and its mission?
Voted to confirm Trump appointees Kristi Noem, Eric Turner, and Lee Zeldin. All grossly unqualified.
Supports Trump's Gaza scheme, including sending US troops. I guess Gaza Palestinians should just cease to exist.
Supports the current debacle with Iran that's pointless, an abject failure, and has made the ME even more unstable.
Refuses to even say that Trump's policies are destructive to the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/18/john-fetterman-democrat-trump-progressive
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-fetterman-senate-voting-record-democrats-trump/
And actually had the gall to meet with the orange fascist in Florida.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fetterman-trump-mar-a-lago/
What the F does it actually take for you to recognize reality? Are you related to the conman or something? Do you actually agree with Fetterman on those issues? Don't point fingers are me. Look at yourself.
Emile
(42,847 posts)Accusing me of being related to the conman is weird and judgemental.
paleotn
(22,505 posts)Emile
(42,847 posts)paleotn
(22,505 posts)I'm merely stating Fetterman ran on what he's not. He lied. He's a con. He's not centrist, he's opportunist. Whether you chose to believe that or not is on you. I'm just stating the facts on the ground.
Emile
(42,847 posts)John Fetterman votes with his party 91% of the time, indicating he breaks ranks with Democrats about 9% of the time.
According to AI he's a centrist. Now you can disagree with that, I really don't care. But don't scold me for having my own opinion.
Violet_Crumble
(36,406 posts)Here I am again with no dog in this fight, but I did ask Claude about which Democrats endorsed Fetterman and it gave me what looks like a reasonably credible answer. It didn't put the word progressives in dit-dits or call Fetterman 'Bernie's candidate', so it appears to be less biased than some comments in this thread. Isn't it pretty clear that Fetterman's stroke has had an impact on him? Accusing people of supporting him pre-stroke and before his behaviour became so horrible is pretty silly and desperate imo. I thought he was pretty cool when he started as a Senator. Am I going to be blamed for that and labelled a 'progressive?' The most acccurate description of my politics is socialist, which I suspect would cause a few heads to explode lol
We're taught at work to use AI as a tool to draft or seek information, but always double check what it gives you as it can be flat out wrong or slanted in some weird direction . I was told by Co-pilot that I only had to water my Jade plant once a month and only give it 2ml of water. It died. Screw you, copilot! I dumped you for Claude!
Anyway, I get confused about the US political spectrum, so I asked Claude. Bottom line, is the US Left is generally more to the centre than the Left in other countries and that's because of factors like first past the post voting, and non-compulsory voting. The US only has two parties and the Democratic Party is made up of a wide range of factions that would belong to separate parties in other countries. It's why I see so much contempt from some liberal Americans towards others who are further to the left or the right on the spectrum to them. I think they're all wasting their time and energy and should come together to fight the real evil, which is Trump and the Republicans.
paleotn
(22,505 posts)You trust this? Really? That says a lot.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/4059383/openai-admits-ai-hallucinations-are-mathematically-inevitable-not-just-engineering-flaws.html
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sp/ter02-ranked-ai-hallucination-rates-by-model/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/22/ai-hallucinations-found-in-high-profile-wall-street-law-firm-filing
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2479545-ai-hallucinations-are-getting-worse-and-theyre-here-to-stay/
https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/basics/addressing-ai-hallucinations-and-bias/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/05/06/why-ai-hallucinations-are-worse-than-ever/
Cosmocat
(15,456 posts)But Fetterman looked like the real deal.
Cha
(319,920 posts)Are you in PA?
I got interested in Fetterman when he was running for LT Governor.
Saw him do a campaign stop at a local bookstore, good turnout for something like that, 50 or so people.
He stayed after to talk to anyone who talked to him, I saw because I waited to the end, took about an hour.
He was humble, was running with Tom Wolf as Govenor and said if there was a choice he would gladly lose to make sure Wolf won - his referencing super wing nut in the house, Mastronio, who was telling people that if he won Governor he would not validate any Ds who won a state level election.
He was right on all our issues - straightforward and unapologetically. He also was direct about his criticisms of Rs. One of his appeals was that he really went at them. When he won LT governor he hung a pride flag from the window of his office, which drove them nuts. As LT Gov, he was kind of a tie breaker for the Senate and had other roles with the Senate - he did his homework and figured out ways to throw wrenches at them, which again, drove the nuts.
He openly pushed, and I think successfully, some prison reforms that fell under his jurisdiction and also marijuana reforms, which I don't think made it.
I liked Lamb a lot, he was the solid slight blue doggish type, but he seems like a quality guy and would have had a good appeal in PA. But I met with Fetterman a few times, he was a politician, no doubt, but he was the kind of firebrand progressive that we so desperately needed.
Not sure that happened, even before his stroke it was clear his ego was getting the best of him once he got elected to the Senate, and was liking hearing himself talk. But, he just is not the same guy at all since the stroke.
Cha
(319,920 posts)TY for that interesting synopsis of Fetterman before he was this Fetterman.
One for the books!
Zorro
(18,781 posts)I'm wondering whether Trump has threatened to send her back to Brazil. Could be one reason why Fetterman is so cozy with the Republicans.
Hope22
(4,827 posts)And the lies surrounding it! Stop talking already!
Blue Owl
(59,413 posts)58Sunliner
(6,373 posts)Awful.
Johonny
(26,419 posts)And apparently he hates so fuck him.
We support our troops and want them home. Iran's leaders are awful, but they're in no way worse due to this war. Meanwhile we lost half our offensive strike capability and there no end in sight for our people in harms way.
bluestarone
(22,354 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(2,077 posts)Just saw this on FB:
U.S. Democratic Socialists
2h
·
OUCH: Bye traitor! Sen. John Fetterman receives ZERO support for re-election from Pennsylvania House members from his own party. Not a single one. The painful 6-year experiment with this war-mongering, traitorous monster is about to be over.
Good riddance! Hope PA has someone wholl turn this mess around.
Tim S
(278 posts)FullySupportDems
(468 posts)When you talk about what Iran thinks, you aren't talking about the Iranian people. You're talking about their government, who doesn't give a damn about them either. You're laughing at the slaughter of innocent people, for politics. So just shut the hell up about the people trying to stop it. You jerk, we used to root for you. Please just shut up.
kimbutgar
(27,406 posts)MyOwnPeace
(17,601 posts)is some SERIOUS stroke! I'll bet the Secretary of HHS (you know, BrainWorm Bobby!) has some magic herb that will help keep his brain in Republican Mush.......
msongs
(73,987 posts)tavernier
(14,485 posts)The more you talk, the more you give away your true motives. We the People who treasure our democracy prefer not to be lectured by you.
Aepps22
(394 posts)He racially profiled and held an innocent Black man at gun point.
duckworth969
(1,395 posts)Yer gonna get a primary challenge and be out on yer ass before long.
Worthless pinhead 😡
flvegan
(66,421 posts)AverageOldGuy
(4,050 posts)Fetterman was elected in 2022 for a 6-yr term - - - close to three years before he's out.
lostincalifornia
(5,466 posts)Congress, or consult with our NATO allies, but went ahead unilaterally attacked them THREE different times in the middle of negotiations with Iran, then has a hissy fit because our allies didnt support him, and even before the attacks was bashing NATO and our allies constantly.
WTF DID THIS JACKASSES THINK WOULD HAPPEN.
MW67
(201 posts)The vast majority of the American People are also criticizing trump and his war, maybe he should tell them too how much he thinks they're helping Iran
leftstreet
(41,129 posts)Trueblue Texan
(4,554 posts)by sharing that she had seen Fetterman on Faux News and was actually impressed that a Democrat could make so much sense. I flatly told her what I thought of Fettermanand it wasnt good. She was a bit defensive that she was only trying to tell me she liked at least one Democrat. I wish Id thought to tell her if he actually embraced the values of the party, he wouldnt be on interviewed on Faux News, but I also wanted to diffuse the conversation quickly so I could get her out of my house.
Uncle Joe
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against Ukraine.
Thanks for the thread durablend
Still Waters
(137 posts)to go along with his collection of Republican invertebrates.
Hey John, why don't you go spend July 4th in Russia like the other little gang of traitors did.
struggle4progress
(126,525 posts)Tasmanian Devil
(190 posts)We need better vetting.
Figarosmom
(12,725 posts)J Edger Hoover in the 60s
2naSalit
(103,628 posts)You and your scrambled egg brains need to sit down, STFU and resign.
OMGWTF
(5,189 posts)ColoringFool
(907 posts)be the serpent under it."
Mblaze
(1,096 posts)GiqueCee
(4,533 posts)... Sweetie, baby, cookie, honey... Shut the FUCK UP! And try dressing like a grown-up! You are a disgrace to everything that is good and decent and honorable. I don't live in Pennsylvania, so I couldn't vote, but I supported you, and now I'm ashamed that I did.
The world is in turmoil, and you're supporting the piece of maggot shit that is responsible for 99% of that turmoil. You will NEVER be forgiven, nor do you deserve to be.
If someone here is in a position to pass this along to him, please feel free to do so.
Retrograde
(11,439 posts)Please tell me that there are some sane people planning to primary him!
sheshe2
(98,062 posts)Conor Lamb.
Democrats are trying to figure out what to do about John Fetterman. One of them is stepping up
At town hall after town hall across Pennsylvania, Democrats and allied progressive groups arent hearing from Fetterman in person or Republicans who control Washington, for that matter.
But they are hearing from Lamb, a living reminder of the Democrat they could have elected instead of Fetterman. The former congressman has emerged as an in-demand town hall headliner, sometimes as a stand-in for Fetterman who just might bash Fetterman.
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Democrats are frustrated with Fetterman
Lambs reemergence comes at an in-between moment, roughly halfway through Fettermans six-year term, and is helping define the struggle facing Democrats in swing-state Pennsylvania.
https://apnews.com/article/john-fetterman-conor-lamb-democrats-pennsylvania-senate-6842b14b211abd249d8df6c8a6d54bad
LudwigPastorius
(14,890 posts)ColoringFool
(907 posts)mike_c
(37,112 posts)Can you say "lick-spittle?" I know you can.
johnnyfins
(3,902 posts)happened to others, but his change? I think he was hit with the age old threat/reward offer. Prolly more threat than reward.
Henry203
(948 posts)When I saw the hoodie and shorts.
Baitball Blogger
(52,580 posts)Instead, you use the same litmus tests based on concepts of human decency and fairness. What could be called a balanced morality test. The reality is that Trump is using this distraction from bringing attention to the fact he's a pedophile. The fact is that Iran was not about to attack before Trump started this mess. The fact is that we have a loon in the Oval Office and the Republican led Congress if failing to take their obligations seriously.
Autumn
(48,989 posts)the military more than anyone else.
mr715
(3,867 posts)Autumn
(48,989 posts)bigtree
(94,541 posts)...talking republican twaddle.
travelingthrulife
(5,442 posts)gulliver
(14,047 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 25, 2026, 01:37 PM - Edit history (1)
There is nothing that outweighs the bigotry and evil of Iran's Islamic Republic regime. Any time they appear in a discussion of the lesser of two evils, the Islamic Republic is always the greater. They're murderous, theocratic, patriarchal, homophobic bigots. It's just a fact. They hang women.
It would mystify me that any liberal or progressive would believe they have reason to dispute that simple, obvious moral fact. Such a position is completely against our charter. Completely.
pwb
(12,776 posts)who does not represent. A mean trick on people.
Norbert
(7,826 posts)Initech
(109,013 posts)niyad
(133,442 posts)CivicGrief
(269 posts)I was glad he beat Oz, but his about face doesnt surprise me. I call him Fettermanchin.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(136,630 posts)Doodley
(12,018 posts)Goonch
(5,384 posts)
Mysterian
(6,582 posts)and his new republican friends will not help him out. I see this shmuck on public assistance in the near future.