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Convince me this wasn't another false flag. (Original Post) yellow dahlia Apr 25 OP
I just can't...... Hey Joe Apr 25 #1
Too convenient! yellow dahlia Apr 25 #4
Kashyp graycampervan Apr 25 #34
I thought it was odd that the (alleged) manifesto said the perp wanted to take down everyone but Kash. yellow dahlia Apr 26 #90
Sorry, I can't RainCaster Apr 25 #2
Sure! yellow dahlia Apr 25 #3
lemme guess johnnyfins Apr 25 #5
I can't either vapor2 Apr 25 #6
Another Epstein distraction? edbermac Apr 25 #7
Actually, I think angrychair Apr 25 #29
Who can believe anything involving Trump? sop Apr 25 #8
thDUMP is so full of shit rhiannon55 Apr 25 #9
so this happens at trump's FIRST appearance at a WHCD as president ecstatic Apr 25 #10
I can't because you didn't reason your way into the other conspiracy theories EdmondDantes_ Apr 25 #11
"Another Epstein distraction? Or another Iran distraction?" J_William_Ryan Apr 25 #12
All of the above...and the sympathy factor. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #14
Well a reporter was supposed to get an award BlueKota Apr 25 #23
I'm sceptical MustLoveBeagles Apr 25 #13
You mean the one in PA buzzycrumbhunger Apr 25 #26
I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about that too. MustLoveBeagles Apr 25 #28
Yeah Sure Ya Betcha Faux pas Apr 25 #15
I knew someone would know. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #19
Ha malaise Apr 26 #75
Lol Faux pas Apr 26 #84
Another? Fiendish Thingy Apr 25 #16
No disrespect intended but I've been around here long enough to know that is simply not true. BannonsLiver Apr 26 #85
Trump lies about anything Johonny Apr 25 #17
Once a reality tv star...always a reality tv performer. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #22
We may never know, H2O Man Apr 25 #18
Watching MSNOW and gagging FHRRK1 Apr 25 #20
I don't think Code Pink would get involved with shooting. LeftInTX Apr 25 #27
I can't. jrthin Apr 25 #21
This latest attempt photo should be available on Piggy merch right now! MorbidButterflyTat Apr 25 #24
Does a strongly typed admonition to not believe in conspiracies work? PufPuf23 Apr 25 #25
Pure Theater. strongermessage Apr 25 #30
Even though they have the guy - I still believe this was theater. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #33
Reports are circulating that Patel and Hegseth D. Spaulding Apr 25 #31
Thank You RB77 Apr 26 #79
Of all years to finally attend a WHCD... and then this happens. (wink, wink) IcyPeas Apr 25 #32
A lot of people hate Trump & you can pretty much buy a gun anywhere. LudwigPastorius Apr 25 #35
This. orangecrush Apr 25 #40
I've seen the video of him rushing past the checkpoint. They say he had multiple weapons & was a guest at the hotel. NBachers Apr 26 #56
DO WE -REALLY- HAVE TO DO THIS? MervinFerd Apr 25 #36
You DON'T question every action of this administration? I don't think this was staged, but I don't think doubt is a bad Scrivener7 Apr 26 #76
It is unfortunate that we have to question everything, yellow dahlia Apr 26 #86
Championship President brought to you by the McMahons lol n/t Cheezoholic Apr 25 #37
lol Smokster Apr 25 #47
I want it to be "staged", but how Cha Apr 25 #38
A couple of possibilities come to mind. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #45
Thanks.. Yeah, and how the hell Cha Apr 25 #51
I'll play it as it lies until truth-based reasons come out to believe otherwise. I don't think the rushing video is fake NBachers Apr 26 #62
Mahalo, NBachers.. I haven't Cha Apr 26 #65
Apparently the guy's not a dimwit. He's got serious academic records: Engineering degree from Caltech; Masters in NBachers Apr 26 #68
Wow.. so intelligent and brilliant Cha Apr 26 #69
Any injuries are minor. He was staying at the hotel. LeftInTX Apr 26 #70
Thanks, LeftinTX... Cha Apr 26 #71
That's an interesting CV. Chemical Bill Apr 26 #72
"Manchurian Candidate" A person--secretly controlled, brainwashed, or manipulated by an enemy power. Doodley Apr 26 #58
Yes, but enough about Trump. What about the alleged would be assassin? Attilatheblond Apr 26 #91
Sorry, can't help ya. Much too convenient to be believed. appleannie1 Apr 25 #39
Way to plug the need for the ballroom. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #43
What sucks is that even if it is, chances of exposure are zilch. pat_k Apr 25 #41
Way too convenient. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #44
Pointless waste of effort sarisataka Apr 25 #42
It'd be like trying to convince a Fox viewer that Trump isn't God's favorite son. Kaleva Apr 25 #46
Can you elaborate? Orrex Apr 26 #83
If they find some vague nonsense engraved on the shell casings IronLionZion Apr 25 #48
I cannot even if I tried. hamsterjill Apr 25 #49
I don't believe in coincidence theories. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #52
It's too early to come to any conclusions. Fil1957 Apr 25 #50
Release the trumpstein files with perp names SheltieLover Apr 25 #53
They're gonna be safely secured in the new ballroom. yellow dahlia Apr 25 #54
It is a heavy lift... But the largest single weight I can put on that scale is RockRaven Apr 25 #55
Can't. 2naSalit Apr 26 #57
Won't even try. EPSTEIN. marble falls Apr 26 #59
And see - I told you I needed a ballroom. yellow dahlia Apr 26 #61
I think he needs a lobotomy. marble falls Apr 26 #64
I think nature is already giving him one misanthrope Apr 26 #66
Nature better step it up, dammit. marble falls Apr 26 #81
Why???? bdamomma Apr 26 #94
He does, you just need a magnifying glass to see it. What he has none of is empathy, morals, ethics, ......... marble falls Apr 26 #95
He's such bdamomma Apr 27 #96
There is just a pathetic lack of.. thomski64 Apr 26 #60
Impossible (to convince you or be convinced myself otherwise) debsy Apr 26 #63
Why, the thing is a liar first and foremost. You cannot take one word from his mouth state of stupid Apr 26 #67
de rec, as the burden is on someone making a claim to prove the claim, not for others to disprove it Celerity Apr 26 #73
Mary Trump's comment: "So weird Donald didn't stand up, ask for his shoes, defiantly raise his fist, and say Scrivener7 Apr 26 #74
Then there's Bagdad Barbie oddly prescient: Liberal In Texas Apr 26 #77
If it was staged, they wouldn't tell her Polybius Apr 26 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author DUMember24 Apr 26 #78
They've run out of patsies. bucolic_frolic Apr 26 #80
Several reasons Martin Eden Apr 26 #82
Nah, I won't bother fujiyamasan Apr 26 #87
... True Dough Apr 26 #89
I what I find odd with all these attempts on Don.... William Gustafson Apr 26 #92
Just bdamomma Apr 26 #93
How many bucolic_frolic Apr 27 #97
Just like the last time... True Dough May 15 #98
Do we see a pattern here? yellow dahlia May 15 #99

Hey Joe

(905 posts)
1. I just can't......
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:02 PM
Apr 25

This has Trumps stink all over it.
The more I hear, the more I suspect it was staged.

yellow dahlia

(6,955 posts)
90. I thought it was odd that the (alleged) manifesto said the perp wanted to take down everyone but Kash.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 09:24 PM
Apr 26

RainCaster

(13,956 posts)
2. Sorry, I can't
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:03 PM
Apr 25

IMO, he did this to protect his feelings because they might say bad things about him.

angrychair

(12,563 posts)
29. Actually, I think
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:06 PM
Apr 25

It's a "what can we do to improve my poll numbers" move or an excuse to declare martial law.

rhiannon55

(2,797 posts)
9. thDUMP is so full of shit
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:11 PM
Apr 25

I think almost everything he’s involved in is a lie. He didn’t want to go to that dinner in the first place because of his fragile widdle fee fees, so he made sure to fuck it up for everyone there, and score some more bs sympathy publicity.

Man I despise him.

ecstatic

(35,155 posts)
10. so this happens at trump's FIRST appearance at a WHCD as president
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:11 PM
Apr 25

Sorry, I just don't buy it. In my opinion, it was just a ploy to stop the dinner, get sympathy and increase his poll numbers.

The thin skinned traitor never had any intention of standing in front of a room full of people who hate him and attempting to tell jokes. The comedy routine he does at his rallies is actually a serious speech in his mind.

EdmondDantes_

(2,292 posts)
11. I can't because you didn't reason your way into the other conspiracy theories
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:12 PM
Apr 25

Hard to reason you out of this conspiracy either.

BlueKota

(5,604 posts)
23. Well a reporter was supposed to get an award
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:24 PM
Apr 25

for her reporting on the lewd card from tsf to Epstein. Can't have people reminded of that.

buzzycrumbhunger

(2,436 posts)
26. You mean the one in PA
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:55 PM
Apr 25

… where the shooter was allowed on a roof and immediately killed once the reaction shots were taken, and then nothing more was said about him?

Sorry, that was fake as hell, too.

MustLoveBeagles

(18,453 posts)
28. I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about that too.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:01 PM
Apr 25

Who knows what's real or fake with these people?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,581 posts)
16. Another?
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:17 PM
Apr 25

I haven’t seen any evidence of any false flags, but then, I’m a member of the reality-based community.

Johonny

(26,869 posts)
17. Trump lies about anything
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:17 PM
Apr 25

So at this point there's no reason to believe or trust anything involving him. He is a reality TV star. Faking it is second nature.

FHRRK1

(207 posts)
20. Watching MSNOW and gagging
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:19 PM
Apr 25

Ken Dilanian, who I never trusted, claimed he saw a lady he recognized as a Code Pink member dressed in a ball gown. Ruhle ate the bullshit up.

So tired of this bullshit.

LeftInTX

(35,019 posts)
27. I don't think Code Pink would get involved with shooting.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:58 PM
Apr 25

They prefer to scream and shout and disrupt. I doubt if they would make it through security though, since they're known.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,982 posts)
24. This latest attempt photo should be available on Piggy merch right now!
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:26 PM
Apr 25

He loots and grifts off everything.

PufPuf23

(10,047 posts)
25. Does a strongly typed admonition to not believe in conspiracies work?
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 10:27 PM
Apr 25

Did not think so.

Our nation is a crumbling mess.

We will be rewarded with a replay of the WHCD to remind all that this is Trump World now.

D. Spaulding

(522 posts)
31. Reports are circulating that Patel and Hegseth
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:09 PM
Apr 25

bravely rescued several bottles from tables before moving to safety.

LudwigPastorius

(15,301 posts)
35. A lot of people hate Trump & you can pretty much buy a gun anywhere.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:16 PM
Apr 25

Occam's Razor

Also, consider how much a recruited shooter would have to love that orange bastard to willingly face life imprisonment for him.

NBachers

(19,676 posts)
56. I've seen the video of him rushing past the checkpoint. They say he had multiple weapons & was a guest at the hotel.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:04 AM
Apr 26

I'll take what I see at face value until I have a valid reason not to.

MervinFerd

(2,127 posts)
36. DO WE -REALLY- HAVE TO DO THIS?
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:16 PM
Apr 25

STOP!

Leave the Alex Jones Bullshit to the MAGA nuts.

YOU provide evidence.

Scrivener7

(60,414 posts)
76. You DON'T question every action of this administration? I don't think this was staged, but I don't think doubt is a bad
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 07:21 AM
Apr 26

first response.

yellow dahlia

(6,955 posts)
86. It is unfortunate that we have to question everything,
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 05:13 PM
Apr 26

and can no longer take anything at face value coming from the government take over.

yellow dahlia

(6,955 posts)
45. A couple of possibilities come to mind.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:43 PM
Apr 25

He was promised something different than what happened.

Paid to do it and they will pardon?

Cha

(321,652 posts)
51. Thanks.. Yeah, and how the hell
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:55 PM
Apr 25

he slip by with a gun.

I saw a photo of him on the floor and hancuffed if that was even real?

NBachers

(19,676 posts)
62. I'll play it as it lies until truth-based reasons come out to believe otherwise. I don't think the rushing video is fake
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:17 AM
Apr 26

If the school teacher is the guy, then what contorted argument will explain how "they" got him to rush through the checkpoint with weapons?

Cha

(321,652 posts)
65. Mahalo, NBachers.. I haven't
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:34 AM
Apr 26

seen any vid yet. I was away traveling on the bus when it happened.

Right? Who will they blame for Lax security enough to let a guy with a gun get into the WHCD?

NBachers

(19,676 posts)
68. Apparently the guy's not a dimwit. He's got serious academic records: Engineering degree from Caltech; Masters in
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:56 AM
Apr 26

Computer Science from Cal State University; research fellowship at NASA. You don't get these credentials without a lot of ass-busting study and intelligence.

Cha

(321,652 posts)
69. Wow.. so intelligent and brilliant
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:27 AM
Apr 26

in his studies and Degrees.

But, comes to DC to shoot, Traitor.. so weird.

Is he alive?

Cha

(321,652 posts)
71. Thanks, LeftinTX...
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 05:04 AM
Apr 26

Different, he had no injuries after "exchanging fire.."and so many weapons

snip***!

The man suspected of opening fire at officers during the White House Correspondents' Association dinner in Washington, D.C., on Saturday is a 31-year-old from Southern California, authorities said.

The suspect was identified as Cole Thomas Allen, of Torrance, a federal official familiar with the case told NBC

Allen was armed with a shotgun, handgun and multiple knives when he rushed a security checkpoint and ran toward the ballroom where the dinner was being held, said Jeff Carroll, interim police chief for the Metropolitan Police Department.

He exchanged gunfire with law enforcement and was tackled to the ground, Carroll said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooting-suspect-white-house-correspondents-dinner-cole-thomas-allen-rcna342146

Chemical Bill

(3,253 posts)
72. That's an interesting CV.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 06:53 AM
Apr 26

Engineering and Tech Bro are two fields that tend conservative. Is this guy a Trumper like the last two?

Doodley

(12,149 posts)
58. "Manchurian Candidate" A person--secretly controlled, brainwashed, or manipulated by an enemy power.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:11 AM
Apr 26

A "Manchurian Candidate" is a person—usually a politician—secretly controlled, brainwashed, or manipulated by an enemy power to subvert their own country's interests. Originating from Richard Condon's 1959 thriller, it signifies a "puppet" leader acting under foreign influence, often without realizing it.

Dictionary.com

pat_k

(14,575 posts)
41. What sucks is that even if it is, chances of exposure are zilch.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:31 PM
Apr 25

So anyone asserting it is a "conspiracy nut."

And since my first thought was, "timed too perfectly with all-time polling lows to be real," I guess I'm a conspiracy nut.

sarisataka

(23,016 posts)
42. Pointless waste of effort
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:31 PM
Apr 25

If a person believes a CT to be true they will dismiss any facts which show their belief to be false but will believe the theory without a shred of proof- the lack of proof become proof there is a coverup.

Orrex

(67,570 posts)
83. Can you elaborate?
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 09:44 AM
Apr 26

I'm always interested when the cheerleaders openly deride other DUers.

IronLionZion

(51,727 posts)
48. If they find some vague nonsense engraved on the shell casings
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:48 PM
Apr 25

then we'll know it's legit. Or if the perp is an undocumented Iranian.

hamsterjill

(17,982 posts)
49. I cannot even if I tried.
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:54 PM
Apr 25

Look, at some point, if this keeps happening, someone is not going to miss. That's the only way that I'm ever going to believe it's real.

The timing is always too just too convenient.

RockRaven

(20,110 posts)
55. It is a heavy lift... But the largest single weight I can put on that scale is
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 11:59 PM
Apr 25

the general gross incompetence of his admin/people.

marble falls

(73,647 posts)
95. He does, you just need a magnifying glass to see it. What he has none of is empathy, morals, ethics, .........
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:22 PM
Apr 26

thomski64

(1,011 posts)
60. There is just a pathetic lack of..
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:16 AM
Apr 26

...quality assassins since J Edgar Hoover was in charge of assassinations...

state of stupid

(250 posts)
67. Why, the thing is a liar first and foremost. You cannot take one word from his mouth
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:39 AM
Apr 26

as truth in any form or fashion. I try to believe that when somebody dies the world loses a little bit.
With this asshole, when he dies the world actually gains.

Celerity

(55,436 posts)
73. de rec, as the burden is on someone making a claim to prove the claim, not for others to disprove it
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 07:13 AM
Apr 26

Scrivener7

(60,414 posts)
74. Mary Trump's comment: "So weird Donald didn't stand up, ask for his shoes, defiantly raise his fist, and say
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 07:18 AM
Apr 26

'Fight, fight, fight.'"

She's right. He didn't make hay in the moment over this. Also the profile of the shooter and the fact that he's still alive and didn't need to be silenced.

And, yellow dahlia, you KNOW I will never be convinced that the rally shooting wasn't a hoax. But this one looks like it passes the smell test.

After the shot they kept him covered and did the things the SS always does after an attempted shooting. Unlike Butler. There's lots of incompetence on display, but that's to be expected with this administration.

But I do think, "Sure, Jan" should always be our first response to Cankles.

Liberal In Texas

(16,556 posts)
77. Then there's Bagdad Barbie oddly prescient:
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 07:42 AM
Apr 26

Caroline Levett was interviewed by Fox before going into the dinner and she actually said there will be some shots fired tonight!

Polybius

(22,312 posts)
88. If it was staged, they wouldn't tell her
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 08:09 PM
Apr 26

For conspiracies to work, they have to keep it as minimal as possible. A press secretary isn't important enough to be in on it. Even if she were told, she wouldn't use those words.

Response to yellow dahlia (Original post)

Martin Eden

(16,102 posts)
82. Several reasons
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 09:36 AM
Apr 26

This incident won't move the needle on his approval ratings.

Every actual conspiracy carries with it the risk of exposure. This one really had nothing to gain.

I think Trump was looking forward to delivering his speech to a captive audience he hates, telling the press corp to their faces they are disgraceful purveyors of "fake news" who hate America.

fujiyamasan

(2,201 posts)
87. Nah, I won't bother
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 05:29 PM
Apr 26

But I don’t have to convince you Trump is a coward and would never knowingly put himself in harm’s way.

Even if this were staged, plenty of things could go wrong. It’s easy to lose control in these sorts of situations. Very rarely do false flags and staged events go as planned.

Too much risk for too little payoff in my opinion.

William Gustafson

(566 posts)
92. I what I find odd with all these attempts on Don....
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 10:16 PM
Apr 26

Is once they are caught or killed and convicted, we hear nothing about what actually happen... Nothing on the attempted assassin's background, nothing on Don's medical procedures from the injuries in which his ear healed in an amazing two weeks from a supposable bullet.... , nothing... This guy over the weekend, we will hear nothing about him that has any meaningful information...
Whether this was a staged incident or not, is beside the point... something happened and we will never know the truth from this administration... It's just the way it's being run right now. Don't expect any answers to your question... because we will never know.

bdamomma

(69,690 posts)
93. Just
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 10:19 PM
Apr 26

another DISTRACTION as usual. He's in a hole, He's a liar and a pedophile, and a war criminal.

True Dough

(27,709 posts)
98. Just like the last time...
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:36 PM
May 15

Amelia 🇺🇸
@amelia_tweetz

The “assassination attempt” was 2 weeks ago. I haven’t heard a single thing about it from anyone in the administration or the media. It was completely planned and they didn’t like the reaction it received, so it’s like it never happened.



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