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mcar

(46,204 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:39 AM 23 hrs ago

Shooter was a floor above ballroom - never got near the place

This puts the security debate in better perspective. I know this space really well. The guy wasn’t anywhere near the ballroom. He was basically trying to rush the security perimeter and failed. It’s a big complex with lots of different event happening at the same time.

Josh Marshall (@joshtpm.bsky.social) 2026-04-26T15:31:42.775Z


This puts the security debate in better perspective. I know this space really well. The guy wasn’t anywhere near the ballroom. He was basically trying to rush the security perimeter and failed. It’s a big complex with lots of different event happening at the same time.
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Shooter was a floor above ballroom - never got near the place (Original Post) mcar 23 hrs ago OP
Kick dalton99a 23 hrs ago #1
I need to be completely convinced FarPoint 23 hrs ago #2
So many questions. And way TOO convenient. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #4
You have a point, but OTOH - TSF has a shit ton of people who hate him (for good reasons) RandomNumbers 23 hrs ago #7
We get more info with a motive, at some point. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #13
Your last line, times infinity RandomNumbers 21 hrs ago #18
Apparently, on his FB site that has now been scrubbed... FarPoint 23 hrs ago #9
Hhmmm. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #12
Whatever that would mean. Igel 22 hrs ago #16
April Smith (WH correspondent) was just talking about the lack of security. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #3
;-{) ACTIVE SHOOTER Goonch 23 hrs ago #5
So many hands missing their champagne. BidenRocks 21 hrs ago #19
Missing the forest for the trees Goonch 21 hrs ago #22
The guy with the guns has already passed security? BidenRocks 21 hrs ago #23
Police have said Cole Tomas Allen was a guest at the Washington Hilton........ Goonch 20 hrs ago #27
Thanks. Also, here's a brief (2 min) comment from Scott MacFarlane about this.. Princess Turandot 23 hrs ago #6
i think this is why most of the press is terming this a "security incident" rather than "assassination attempt" TheProle 23 hrs ago #8
He's going to be charged with shooting a federal agent. (SS) LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #11
This needs to be repeated over and over malaise 23 hrs ago #10
From the video it was clear Boo1 22 hrs ago #14
There's another video that shows agents moving towards Vance hamsterjill 21 hrs ago #21
I Have A Friend That Used To Do Video Deep State Witch 22 hrs ago #15
Fight! Fight! Fffff...zzz... (nt) Pinback 22 hrs ago #17
If that's the case, maybe he was there for the Shirtless Gun and Knife Hobbyists meetup? C Moon 21 hrs ago #20
How did this guy have so many weapons in his hotel room? spooky3 20 hrs ago #24
You can fly with guns DetroitLegalBeagle 20 hrs ago #26
Wow. Thanks. Nt spooky3 20 hrs ago #30
California to Chicago then DC I think he took a train. Raine1967 20 hrs ago #29
MSNow confirmed that he did take the Train N/T Raine1967 20 hrs ago #31
Shame on the media for not making this clear! FakeNoose 20 hrs ago #25
I am totally floored by this. GreenWave 20 hrs ago #28

FarPoint

(14,910 posts)
2. I need to be completely convinced
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:42 AM
23 hrs ago

that this was not another episode of tRump drama tv program....need to up ratings for networks and tRump....

yellow dahlia

(6,276 posts)
4. So many questions. And way TOO convenient.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:49 AM
23 hrs ago

If info becomes available from the shooter's mouth as to motive, that will sway me.

RandomNumbers

(19,225 posts)
7. You have a point, but OTOH - TSF has a shit ton of people who hate him (for good reasons)
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:02 PM
23 hrs ago

Out of that shit ton, how unlikely is it, really, that someone was off their nut in just the right way to

1) think that assassinating TSF and some minions was a good idea (umm ... ever heard the word "martyr", dumbass?)
2) still mentally capable to put together a sort of complex (though clearly insufficient) plan to accomplish it?

It's a big world out there ... and while I don't completely put TSF past staging something, Butler seems much more likely the site for it, for many reasons ... this one, not so much. Occam's Razor probably applies here.

yellow dahlia

(6,276 posts)
13. We get more info with a motive, at some point.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:58 PM
22 hrs ago

And one of my other questions is - he made a plan and took a train from CA, and the best he could do was run through the middle of the SS agents at the magnetometer? How about sneaking through a back hall or the kitchen?

Isn't it sad that we no longer trust what we see?

RandomNumbers

(19,225 posts)
18. Your last line, times infinity
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:29 PM
21 hrs ago

For the rest, I am sorry to say that it appears the perp had / has some mental issues. His 'plan' seems pretty half-baked.

FarPoint

(14,910 posts)
9. Apparently, on his FB site that has now been scrubbed...
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:12 PM
23 hrs ago

He is seen in photo with IDF and wearing such tea shirt with labels a such....and is a member...something along those lines...

My friend got this information from " The Maga Report"...

Igel

(37,581 posts)
16. Whatever that would mean.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:13 PM
22 hrs ago

Claim's reported on msn.com, but it's just a cross post from a not that reliable source. Which is probably why the claim's being reported there.

Was the shooter wearing an IDF shirt?
One of the most explosive narratives to emerge from the incident involves a photograph circulating on social media platform X (formerly Twitter). The image allegedly shows Cole Thomas Allen wearing a sweatshirt emblazoned with the insignia of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). This visual claim has fuelled theories that the attack was connected to Israeli interests, or conversely, that it was a "false flag" attempt to discredit Israel.

The image appears to originate from a screenshot of a social media account that was subsequently deleted. While some users claim that the AI tool "Grok" identified the photo as being from Allen's own account, no forensic analysis of the image has been released to the public.

Even if the photo is authentic and shows Allen wearing an IDF sweatshirt at some point in his past, it does not establish a motive for the Washington shooting. Individuals often wear clothing for fashion, thrift store finds, or irony, rather than political endorsement.

Currently, this evidence remains purely circumstantial and digitally sourced. Indiatimes cannot independently verify the authenticity of the image, and authorities have not listed any connection to foreign military entities as a factor in the case.

yellow dahlia

(6,276 posts)
3. April Smith (WH correspondent) was just talking about the lack of security.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:47 AM
23 hrs ago

She said the hotel elevators and inner doors were accessible without a key card.

Which makes me wonder why the perpetrator last night didn't find a better approach through the kitchen or back halls.

Goonch

(5,373 posts)
27. Police have said Cole Tomas Allen was a guest at the Washington Hilton........
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:38 PM
20 hrs ago

Police have said Cole Tomas Allen was a guest at the Washington Hilton
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2484nln8zeo


Officials believe he checked in around April 24th, enabling him to bring weapons into the building .
https://abc7.com/live-updates/whca-dinner-shooting-live-updates-suspect-armed-multiple-guns-knives/18970525/#:~:text=Asked%20how%20the%20suspect%20may,that%20in%20the%20coming%20days.%22

TheProle

(4,010 posts)
8. i think this is why most of the press is terming this a "security incident" rather than "assassination attempt"
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:10 PM
23 hrs ago

I doubt he was there for a different shooting, but in the US you never know.

LeftInTX

(34,668 posts)
11. He's going to be charged with shooting a federal agent. (SS)
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:16 PM
23 hrs ago

Off topic: Can't believe that guy in Florida, got a life sentence. (I was looking him up last night)

Boo1

(418 posts)
14. From the video it was clear
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:00 PM
22 hrs ago

That nothing was happening anywhere near the event. You can barely hearr any shots, and nobody in the room is reacting like anything is happening. The first thing that does happen is some SS agents move to Trump while he's oblivious to anything. That's because they were being told through their coms that there was something going on at a distant point in the perimeter, and they moved into position. They weren't reacting to anything happening in the immediate area.

hamsterjill

(17,691 posts)
21. There's another video that shows agents moving towards Vance
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:00 PM
21 hrs ago

Seconds before any start toward Trump. I found this very odd.

Deep State Witch

(12,743 posts)
15. I Have A Friend That Used To Do Video
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:03 PM
22 hrs ago

For Dept of Transportation. He's been in the "Hinkley Hilton" ballroom many times. He basically said the same thing.

C Moon

(13,696 posts)
20. If that's the case, maybe he was there for the Shirtless Gun and Knife Hobbyists meetup?
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:53 PM
21 hrs ago

spooky3

(38,766 posts)
24. How did this guy have so many weapons in his hotel room?
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:18 PM
20 hrs ago

Reports say he was from California. Obviously he couldn’t fly from there with them. Did he drive all that way with weapons? Did housekeeping see the weapons and not report him?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,512 posts)
26. You can fly with guns
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:34 PM
20 hrs ago

They get flown as checked luggage. Takes 5-10 minutes extra, and occasionally you get walked to the front of the TSA line to get through security faster in case security needs you to open it back up after the initial screening.

Raine1967

(11,687 posts)
29. California to Chicago then DC I think he took a train.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:48 PM
20 hrs ago

Amtrak has pretty lax security.

FakeNoose

(42,049 posts)
25. Shame on the media for not making this clear!
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:27 PM
20 hrs ago

Even the ones who were right there in the room while it happened.....

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