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RoeVWade

(921 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:48 AM Sunday

The problem with every Democrat President agreed with Iran not having a nuclear weapon.

Is not the same thing as every President would have used a major conflict, on questionable evidence that the threat was imminent.

Or that they meant war at all. Could mean long negotiated agreements, sanctions, and multinational agreements and so forth. And of course, possibly very limited strikes. And not just sticks, but plenty of carrots.

IMO, it's a crap claim and we don't know what each President would actually do depending on individual circumstances.

Trump just said today, they would have a bomb in 2 weeks if we hadn't acted. I suspect a claim we'll never see evidence for.

He's already yapping again, so guess he's recovered from a potential meeting with the grim reaper. He'll be talking about the ballroom and arch in no time and other "important" things.

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The problem with every Democrat President agreed with Iran not having a nuclear weapon. (Original Post) RoeVWade Sunday OP
Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective. usonian Sunday #1
Thank you for pointing that out. I was going to. CurtEastPoint Sunday #4
As far as the slur part, so is "Liberal" according to MAGA. I'm sure they don't care I think "MAGA" is also a slur. RoeVWade Sunday #6
This is the DEMOCRATIC Underground, and Democrats belong to the lostincalifornia Sunday #7
Okay, but by that logic, I can't call myself a liberal either because Republicans use it as slur. What say you? RoeVWade Sunday #10
It is different. They use Democrat as a slur to say Democrats aren't Democratic, which lostincalifornia Sunday #16
'Liberal' is one of the most misused terms in American politics. In most all other advanced nations, liberal so often Celerity Sunday #17
The difference is that Trump listens to propaganda that speaks directly to him. Initech Sunday #2
Trump does not care about Iran having nuclear weapons. Irish_Dem Sunday #3
The last two D POTUS absolutely thought this Cosmocat Sunday #5
I cannot express how pitiful it is when a DU-er uses "Democrat" in the same insulting way as Republicans ThreeNoSeep Sunday #8
Ugh, absolutely HATE the word DEMOCRAT!!!! a kennedy Sunday #9
That's why Obama made the deal to help prevent it JI7 Sunday #11
Are you a Republican using "Democrat" as an adjective.. ananda Sunday #12
Democratic President ornotna Sunday #13
So.... RoeVWade Sunday #14
Your making false equivalency here standingtall Sunday #18
Here's why I don't agree. RoeVWade Sunday #19
Israel (probably) has nukes and the current government there has shown no mercy Justice matters. Sunday #15

usonian

(26,233 posts)
1. Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:53 AM
Sunday

Using Democrat as an adjective is a maga slur.

IANTGP (I am not the grammar police)

RoeVWade

(921 posts)
6. As far as the slur part, so is "Liberal" according to MAGA. I'm sure they don't care I think "MAGA" is also a slur.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:06 PM
Sunday

nt*

lostincalifornia

(5,476 posts)
7. This is the DEMOCRATIC Underground, and Democrats belong to the
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:12 PM
Sunday

Democratic Party.

You should really edit the OP to reflect “Democratic” president, not “democrat president”

We don’t let MAGA or republicans define us.

RoeVWade

(921 posts)
10. Okay, but by that logic, I can't call myself a liberal either because Republicans use it as slur. What say you?
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:25 PM
Sunday

This is aside from the whole grammar argument.

lostincalifornia

(5,476 posts)
16. It is different. They use Democrat as a slur to say Democrats aren't Democratic, which
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:16 PM
Sunday

is ironic, because their party has actually become the anti-democracy party.

I won’t belabor the distinction, but I appreciate you listening to my point, and understanding that many here take its connotation when used the way they intentionally use it as offensive.

Thanks for understanding.


Celerity

(54,790 posts)
17. 'Liberal' is one of the most misused terms in American politics. In most all other advanced nations, liberal so often
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:55 PM
Sunday

means a governance philosophy based off centre to centre right classical liberalism, ie an emphasis on individual liberty (instead of collective orientations), limited government, deregulation, private property over public property preferences, free markets (laissez-faire), low (or at least lower) tax structures, privitisation of traditional government functions (often via public-private partnerships), free trade over fair trade, etc. It often specifically describes neoliberal stances and projections, but is certainly not limited to that.

It rarely, if ever, means left wing (perhaps at times, it may occasionally refer to a centrist, slightly lefitsh projection), does not very often refer to most forms of US-style modern progressiveness, and certainly never means what right wing (and far too many non RW Americans as well) think it means when they use it as an attempted slur, often (and so stupidly!) using it interchangeably it with socialism and even (madness) communism.

I almost never refer to myself as a liberal, not when discussing my UK, my Swedish, my EU, nor my American political stances, philosophies, voting patterns, and/or beliefs.

There are parts of classical liberalism I absolutely agree with (and those parts are ceretainly not its exclusive domain), but on balance, it is not a useful label for me when talking about American politics.

Irish_Dem

(82,013 posts)
3. Trump does not care about Iran having nuclear weapons.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 11:55 AM
Sunday

He does not care about the Iranian people or democracy.

Trump wants money, power, land, resources.

Cosmocat

(15,456 posts)
5. The last two D POTUS absolutely thought this
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:00 PM
Sunday

and were POTUS and VP to the peaceful agreement that made sure it did not happen that was in place that the current POTUS blew up and opened this raging hot mess of a can of worms.

ThreeNoSeep

(317 posts)
8. I cannot express how pitiful it is when a DU-er uses "Democrat" in the same insulting way as Republicans
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:14 PM
Sunday

I respond to your post without reading anything except the title, because you are insulting us all, and nothing deserves comment until you fix it and apologize.
- Disgusted

ananda

(35,392 posts)
12. Are you a Republican using "Democrat" as an adjective..
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:32 PM
Sunday

instead of "Democratic."

It's NOT OK to use "Democrat" as an adjective.

RoeVWade

(921 posts)
14. So....
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 12:57 PM
Sunday


Yes, many Republicans and conservatives in the United States use "liberal" as a pejorative term or insult to describe opponents, particularly Democrats, often associating it with negative connotations regarding government overreach, cultural issues, or ideological weakness.


Serious question. Is "liberal' on this site considered offensive also because Republicans use it as offensive?

standingtall

(3,171 posts)
18. Your making false equivalency here
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 02:48 PM
Sunday

The term liberal has been around for centuries even predating the United States itself and is not exclusive to progressives even some right leaning people can consider themselves liberals in some ways and anyways liberal is the actual word not a deliberate shortened form to use as a slur. Okay to say I'm a Democrat, but it is not proper to refer the Democratic party as the Democrat party that's a slur and on top of that it's bad English. Appropriating a term is not the same as mutilating it. No one goes around calling the republican party the republic party. Just admit you made a mistake edit your post and move on.

RoeVWade

(921 posts)
19. Here's why I don't agree.
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 03:41 PM
Sunday

If any group regularly refers to themselves as something and the word is not distorted, someone else can't make it a slur. And if they can, that's pretty sad state of affairs.

If Native Americans want to be called Native Americans, you can't slur Native Americans calling them Native Americans.

The only other rule I think is true, if you're OF a group you can disagree with the others in your group on whether you prefer one designation or another.

But I will obey the general consensus, whether I agree or not. Not going to censor my post. Sorry. Moderators can take whatever action is appropriate.





Justice matters.

(9,984 posts)
15. Israel (probably) has nukes and the current government there has shown no mercy
Sun Apr 26, 2026, 01:08 PM
Sunday

murdering tens of thousands of civilians in what the Geneva Convention defines to be war crimes.

Same with the current administration in the USA as it relates to murdering schoolgirls and fishermen, even citizen protesting them as protesting them was protected by their First Amendment rights.

The war-criminal blood-thirsty dictator is unstable but he is requesting the nuclear codes after he tore up the international treaty with Iran because President Obama humiliated him in person with a birth-certificate joke at a WHCD (a joke that was well earned).

That treaty was the right thing to do.

Story short: Get out of the ME!

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