Cole Thomas Allen did not shoot anyone

[obamanut2012]

It is also doubtful he even fired the shotgun. No mention of his discharging his weapons, although a shotgun was mentioned Saturday, when it was also claimed Allen had been killed. No mention of discharging his weapons in the affidavit, and even Blanche didn't say he fired a gun. The SS hit had to have been by friendly fire -- as per the Feds, only law enforcement fired anything.

EVERYONE since Saturday night calls him The Shooter, and that he hit an SS agent, because they want that narrative, but it is FALSE.

[RockRaven]

1. This is very UNsurprising.

The first reports of details of events like this are often wrong. Even when highly placed law enforcement are the ones talking.

[obamanut2012]

2. Yeah, but Leavitt etal keep saying it

[Wicked Blue]

10. The Big Lie

Keep repeating a falsehood endlessly and some people will start believing it.

[magicarpet]

34. Setting a false narrative,... is so very difficult to correct and reverse.

Manufacturing a false narrative is a common weapon found in the bag of tricks used by Fascists. It immediately creates false aspersions dumped upon your adversaries to dehumanize and to make more of a monster out of them. Ripe for scorn, ridicule, and intense hatred.

Kristi Noem, Gregory Bonvino, and Ka$h Patel do it all the time. Get your foot in the door before anyone else - then you control the narrative and the messaging.

Ethics and justice are conked in the head,... then tossed into and locked up in the trunk. The Fascists then become the designated drivers. trDUMP thinks this shows initiative and comments profusely in support of people of this caliber and ilk, because this is his go to modus operandi too. Fascist think, Fascists say, and Fascists do - as they mimic and proudly duplicate the ways of their hate filled brethren. Stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of achieving hellacious results.

[TBF]

27. KKKarolyn lies daily - it appears to be her sole job. nt

[Traildogbob]

29. KKKarolyin! With the cross.

[TBF]

33. Right?! She's so ridiculous. nt

[ShazzieB]

65. She would. 🙄

If there is a lie to be lied or a fact to be ignored that would help her bend a narrative to be more to her liking, she will lie, ignore, and/or bend with all her might, every time.

[JI7]

3. When I was reading comments right after it happened

it made it sound like he had actually shot at Trump but it missed.

Only hours later I saw he wasn't even in the room.

[obamanut2012]

16. Yup, my wife and I thought the same

I have been in that Hilton for past conferences, and he was far, far away, not even on the same floor.

[GCG]

57. Exactly

I've been to that Hilton for conventions, he was stopped on the floor above.

[Mr.Bee]

51. I'm Still Thinking The Whole Thing Was Staged

did anyone search trump's pockets for a ketchup packet??

[leftstreet]

4. Why is it so hard not to laugh?

This is serious business
Trump could have been
His Cabinet members could have

Thank Gawdz this Juice Box Gen Participation Trophy Shooter didn't harm anyone

[sop]

5. From the FBI charging affidavit:

The complete FBI charging affidavit:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782/gov.uscourts.dcd.291782.1.1_1.pdf

Brief section of the affidavit:



The charging affidavit does not specifically state Allen fired his weapon(s). It states: "As he did so, U.S. Secret Service personnel assigned to the checkpoint heard a loud gunshot. U.S. Secret Service Officer V.G. was shot once in the chest; Officer V.G. was wearing a ballistic vest at the time." The phrase "firearms that ALLEN possessed and/or fired at the Washington Hilton hotel in Washington, D.C. on April 25, 2026" is not very clear. The affidavit is very detailed in all other areas, but it doesn't say Allen shot an officer, or fired at anyone.

[W_HAMILTON]

7. You don't go out of your way to word it like that...

...if you knew the guy fired his gun.

Either they don't know -- how is that even a possibility at this point? -- or he didn't.

[sop]

8. With all the witnesses present, including an officer who was shot in the vest and survived to give his account,

you'd think someone at the scene could state, with a degree of certainty, it was Allen who fired his weapon(s), and actually shot someone.

[flashman13]

41. They will have tested his guns to see if they had been fired recently. They do know.

They just don't want to say. They don't want to admit that, "The SHOOTER", didn't shooted. And they would have to admit they were responsible for all of the mayhem. And they are really poor shots too. They took down one of their own. Real lucky there was no collateral damage.

Honest, I think Trump has this left handed super power. It's like an infection. People that are exposed to him get real stupid. At one time I, and I'm sure many others, would have said the Secret Service was the premier U.S. police force specializing in protection of principals. Now they really look like the Keystone Cops. Trump causes every person and institution around him to rot from the inside.

You would have to have some sort of super power to bankrupt five casinos.

[returnee]

46. They are in control of the evidence.

I give ZERO credence to ANYTHING this administration says.

[Diamond_Dog]

52. Good analysis, flashman13.

[Prairie Gates]

24. Ding Ding Ding

[MerryBlooms]

38. Ambiguity and cover story of who shot the ss agent

Meh, they fired off who knows how many rounds, missed the suspect and shot one of their own. Good grief.

[Disaffected]

9. Thankyou for providing some factual information

(which is sometimes sorely lacking).

BTW, sounds like officer VG was not a very good shot.

[markpkessinger]

11. So all this affidavit really says . . .

. . . is that the two firearms that were recovered from Allen were ones that Allen himself had purchased in California. But they haven't established that either of those two weapons were actually fired on the premises!

[sop]

13. I've read the affidavit several times, but I still find it peculiarly unclear on that important point.

Mind you, I don't want to be accused of posting "conspiracy theories" or "AI slop," but it does raise some questions.

[underpants]

30. Is he charged with possession of a weapon?

Having a gun in DC is a crime and taken very seriously. The Jan 6thers stored their guns across the river in Va - they weren’t stupid, they knew what having A gun in DC meant let alone the luggage cart if them that they had.

[Wiz Imp]

37. There were plenty of insurrectionists on Jan6 who brought guns into the capitol.

[lostnfound]

44. The Heller case struck down the DC handgun ban in 2008...but carrying did break some laws

Can’t carry in a place that serves alcohol.
Can’t open carry.
Non-residents can transport guns only unloaded and in a locked container

[FHRRK1]

39. He ran through security with a long gun!

So he had a pistol and a shotgun.

it is like the scene from My Cousin Vinnie where Marisa Tomei states:

"Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction... One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark"

Ain't one fucking person in LE that confuse a long gun with a pistol.

[Celerity]

43. More detail:

There were 2 features needed:

1. Independent rear suspension.

2. Positraction.

There were 3 US made cars from the early 1960s with both features:

The 1963 Pontiac Tempest, the Chevrolet Corvette, and the Chevrolet Corvair.

The 1964 Buick Skylark mentioned in the film had a standard open differential.

See:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104952/quotes/

snip

Mona Lisa Vito: The car that made these two, equal-length tire marks had positraction. You can't make those marks without positraction, which was not available on the '64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny Gambini: And why not? What is positraction?
Mona Lisa Vito: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.
Juror #1: That's right.
Vinny Gambini: Is that it?
Mona Lisa Vito: No, there's more! You see? When the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even? Well, the '64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge. But that didn't happen here. The tire mark stayed flat and even. This car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the '60s, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction, and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could never be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, width, weight, wheel base, and wheel track as the '64 Skylark, and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny Gambini: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Mona Lisa Vito: They were!
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Ms. Vito. No more questions. Thank you very, very much.
[kissing her hands]
Vinny Gambini: You've been a lovely, lovely witness.

snip

1964 Buick Skylark



1963 Pontiac Tempest

[dweller]

60. The 63 Chevy Corvair

Monza







✌🏻

[Celerity]

62. The '63 or '64 2 door Corvairs were a great looking car IMHO:

[dweller]

64. I owned a 64

2 door blue Monza like your 1st pic .
Loved that car , it was a three speed manual .


✌🏻

[LudwigPastorius]

63. The charge of discharge of a weapon is based...

on there being an empty shell still in his shotgun. Forensics will try to find any buckshot at the scene to bolster that.

[obamanut2012]

17. Blanche did not answer when asked

I watched the presser.and, read carefully: they dod not state he fired his shotgun.

[sop]

21. Perhaps the SS agent was struck by a round fired at Allen by another officer as he ran past the checkpoint?

Forgive me for being so conspiratorial...

[Prairie Gates]

25. General fuckups are not conspiracies

They are the norm. The number of people shot by police trying to shoot at somebody else is breathtaking.

[Danascot]

50. There are only two possibilities

Either Allen shot the SS agent or someone else with a gun (likely LE) shot the agent.

Unless of course it was aliens.

[ChazInAz]

59. "Give 'em that old razzle dazzle!"

"They both went for the gun!"

[Autumn]

6. He was not even on the same floor as the event. He was one floor above it.

If his goal was to harm anyone he failed.

[obamanut2012]

18. And way down the other end

[Autumn]

54. I read that his family had warned secret service about him a day or two before the event.

Haven't seen it reported on TV yet.

[purr-rat beauty]

12. There are security cams throughout

Seeing nobody died....release the videos

[mzmolly]

14. It appeared to me that he was running from something/gunfire?

Though, I've only seen a snippet of the video circulating.

[obamanut2012]

20. He was running towards the security checkpoint

With metal detectors. He fell.

[mzmolly]

23. Two things can be true. ;)

I didn't see a weapon drawn. Then again, the video is pretty blurry.

I think, given the manifesto, he likely planned to do what he said he was going to do. I also understand that police were made aware (by the family) prior.

I'm sure we'll learn more as time goes on.

[RainCaster]

19. As a juror, I couldn't convict

The DOJ is going to need some additional details if they want my vote...
This is certainly not enough to convict someone of anything other than running in a hotel hallway.

[questionseverything]

42. He took guns across state lines and planned to use them in a crime

That’s pretty clear

Just having them in dc is illegal but I agree there’s nothing showing the attempt was made yet

[haele]

58. Well, he may have attempted or thought about doing the crime...

But we don't sentence people in jail for life or execute them for thinking about committing a crime. There needs to be a crime actually committed, and charged at the appropriate level.

There's still a lot of things he could be charged on, but not what the Administration is starting to position themselves to charge him with.

I'm not a mentalist or psychic (maybe mental or psycho, but that's something else), but I see jury nullification and/or charges being thrown out in his future.

[questionseverything]

61. He wrote about his desire to kill as many as he could

The crossing of state lines to commit a crime is the first crime

[BidenRocks]

22. That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more!

There is too much bullshit that I can't even watch the local news. That's cause the suspect lives in LA.
BREAKING NEWS!
Enough with an assassination which never was.
Unless chump is going to build a ballroom in every public school, he can fuck off.
Politicians are not more important than our children!

[Historic NY]

26. If he fired the shotgun then the officer would have had to go to the hospital...

there is not was the shoot would not have scattered, if it was a slugs he'd probably be in the morgue.they would cause blunt force trauma

[FHRRK1]

40. Right!

The Manifesto said he would NOT use slugs. So unless it was very close range there is no way a bullet proof vest is full protection. The agent would have had hits to the arms and face.

[Boo1]

45. The spread isnt going

To be very large. Buckshot at 25 feet only has a few inches of spread.

[dem4decades]

28. I always thought the secret service agent was shot by one of his own

[malaise]

31. Yep

A self shooting among security

[MustLoveBeagles]

32. First he's dead then he's not

I've also heard conflicting info over who fired their gun. Was it the suspect or the SS? I'm confused. It's the reason I'm so sceptical of the official account. It seems very fluid.

[yellow dahlia]

35. I have the same observation.

While all the agents from various agents were running around in the hallway area, not knowing what they were dealing with, there was an officer who could be heard saying "what the fuck, what the fuck". And then a voice (I think it is the same one) can be heard saying: "WATCH YOUR CROSSFIRE".

I think there was friendly fire.

[Orrex]

36. Questioning The Official Story will get you scolded

[WhiskeyGrinder]

48. Once again, we see how many people understand the process of legal prosecution, and how many simply do not.

(not aimed at you, OP)

[obamanut2012]

55. No worries

I agree.

[chouchou]

53. Sounds like a Cornucopia of bullshit lies.

[efhmc]

56. No one with any degree of intelligence believes anything the peodpres' peoples say.