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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/02/israeli-militants-attack-west-bank-schools-settler-violenceGo inside, he will kill you: Israeli militants step up West Bank school attacks
The Israeli reservist shot 14-year-old Aws al-Naasan in the head just outside the western gate of the Mughayyir boys secondary school, where he was studying in ninth grade.
Aws collapsed instantly, bleeding heavily. More shots rang out as his friends ran to his side, picked up his now-limp body and rushed him out of the line of fire, their path along the school wall marked by a trail of their classmates blood.
Footage from inside the building showed terrified children and teachers crouched in stairwells, shouting at others to get down. Another video captured the shooter, a reservist in partial military uniform, taking aim at the school from the hillside above.
surfered
(14,009 posts)Roy Rolling
(7,680 posts)You care. We care.
The right people care.
The wrong people have more influence than intelligence.
Resist til it hurts.
magicarpet
(19,177 posts)Just a gross and repulsive act of ANTI-SEMITISM against the State of Greater Israel.
I don't want to become unpopular or treated has low life scumbag by the Israeli lobby - because I voiced my concerns in a public setting for the murder and/or massacre, and/or genocide of children.
Isn't it much safer to just keep my mouth shut, shrug, and immediately look the other way ?
Pretending these atrocious and horrific atrocities simply are not taking place, for the sake of a Greater Israel and her expanding Mother Empire building efforts.
I am so torn, twisted and confused about my correct views here.
Should the USA condone Israel's murder of the innocents by providing copious quantities and endless amounts of guns, bullets, other munitions, bombs, missiles, and other hi tech and advanced military gear and equipment.
..... Or just say enough is FUCKING enough - and stop this
FUCKING madness.
Permanut
(8,513 posts)B.See
(8,713 posts)give peace a chance. It has always been my point of view.
But it has also been my opinion that, the powers that be, don't want it.
magicarpet
(19,177 posts)To evoke or provoke a change in the current status quo.
The Fascists, the warmongers, the oligarch class, and the defenders of the status quo - all need our push back like they have not experienced previously.
B.See
(8,713 posts)LymphocyteLover
(10,033 posts)moniss
(9,129 posts)"review" or get some light punishment but in the eyes of the hard right in Israel he will be considered a hero and be celebrated.
Joinfortmill
(21,497 posts)calimary
(90,538 posts)All of the four-letter kind.
Goonch
(5,459 posts)
Passages
(4,405 posts)U.S. citizens are a different story; most do care.
Independents Sympathies Shift Toward Palestinians in Past Year
excerpt:
Independents' Sympathies in the Middle East Situation
In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20Americans'%20separate,%25%20to%2034%25%20last%20year.
sinkingfeeling
(57,944 posts)magicarpet
(19,177 posts).... the USA's Ambassador to Israel kicked open this new KkKrishtun Crusade back into the Holylands. These wacko KkKrishtuns believe that if they fight a blood war and battle to the death - this usher in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ from the heavens to return back here on earth.
(Oh I almost forgot, djt's appointment of Pete KkKegsbreath as Secretary of War + Lethality played an intregral role in bringing this bloody to the death KkKrishtun Crusade into being so Jeebuzz would stop by for his second coming while finally claiming permanent domicile here on earth.)
Here Christ will remain to rule over Born Again KkKrishtuns who will live in ever lasting peace, tranquility, and a beautiful utopia. All non KkKrishtuns will then be banished from the earth by
their Jeebuzz for an eternity. While finally for those believers remaining -will be allowed to live in total absolute bliss - as they endlessly pray with their beloved Jeebuzz. Now fully and absolutely unencumbered by Socialist Commies,.. their ridiculous Wokeness,... and their DEI bullshit crap. Their GI Joe Jeebuzz will not put up or tolerate with this Progressive Pinko foolishness.
Cirsium
(4,055 posts)I don't think they believe any of that. All of that religiosity is just cover for their cruelty and bigotry. If they had a choice between keeping the "Christian" pretense but stopping the cruelty and bigotry, or giving up Christianity and keeping the cruelty and bigotry, which one do you think they would take?
BaronChocula
(4,683 posts)in America. I once commented that Christian nationalism and white nationalism were pretty much indistinguishable. Christianity has been used to justify the most defining acts of white nationalism. Of course, someone came on and "corrected" me that the two were related but not the same. Forest, trees
magicarpet
(19,177 posts)Their CHRIST-ian-ity,.... you know, like the followers of Jesus Christ,...
.... but they know/or care nothing about the teaching of Christ. Hence this is why I invariable refer to these fakers as KkKrishtuns.. They wear the mask of KKKRISHTUNISM to give themselves the patina or put on the facade of that which is good, that which seem to indicate they are pious, benevolent, non-judgmental, fair, honest, etc., etc..But that is all only just a mask or their grand masquerade to trick and fool people.
Under the mask resides the real person. They are hateful, they are hurtful, they are extremely judgmental, they are critical of others, they would not lift merely a finger to help someone out, and as said above,... they are extremely cruel, they are dishonest, they cheat and steal, they inflict harm and injury as their source of entertainment and vile enjoyment, etc., etc..
They then have the audacity to wear and brag about these personal attributes like they were a badge of honor when surrounded and in the company of their like minded fake religious comrades and compatriots.
They are the dregs of society,... but trDUMP has given them a platform so they falsely think they are at the pinnacle of humanity making them far better than the every day average American, making them something special above all the rest.
They comprise the majority of the MAGA trash bin of defective and severely damaged people actively trying to bring our Democracy down because they were told and instructed to abhor anything construed as being Liberal and/or Progressive and/or forward thinking. KkKrishtun Fascists can not tolerate such evil things.
Cirsium
(4,055 posts)Notice that they always cite stuff from the Old Testament. That erases Jesus from the picture.
magicarpet
(19,177 posts)The religious extremists have no time or patience for such poison.
The Wrath of the Heavens, plus Fire and Brimstone is more their likings and speed. A splash of violence is a good thing. It's more alpha, macho, and manly. Not so pinko,... as the teachings of Jesus Christ.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,396 posts)What good did it do us when the powers that be are so far up Israel's ass? What good did it do when this nation has the level of cheerleaders that we have? But, they're convinced that their religion is going to save them, and that location is 'sacred' to them, so they are trying desperately to convince everyone that said location gives those who live there deific powers or something.
Some people tried to warn everyone. But, hey... those people are making lots of money over it, so I guess that makes it okay around here. The fact that those with power decided to mix in the profit, the evangelical religion, and the politics to try and justify their greed and bias when it comes to this particular nation is just horrifying.
The fact that we don't seem to care about this is... not surprising.
malaise
(297,471 posts)Rec
KS Toronado
(23,764 posts)Nowadays they are pure evil just like our Government.
MadameButterfly
(4,129 posts)There are many Israeli's against the violence who want Netanyahu brought to justice. I hate to think what would happen to them if the US withdrew it's protection. But we can't keep funding this kind of violence.
Of course, it's a moot point until Trump is out of office, and the damage will have been done by then. Netanyahu is aware he had free reign for another 2 1/2 years.
AllyCat
(18,954 posts)Are NOT Israel. I have several Jewish friends and acquaintances who abhor what the US and Israel are doing.
I mention anything about the Jewish people in the US and people in the group immediately start talking about Israel.
BaronChocula
(4,683 posts)about not equating Jewish people with Israel.
Except I'm curious about what you mean in the last sentence. Does that mean If you bring up, say, Henry Winkler some will jump right to Israel? Or if you bring up an attack on a synagog they jump right to Israel? That's pretty messed up.
maxrandb
(17,485 posts)Israel is using the memory of the holocaust to conduct its own...and that's pretty effing disgusting.
Just like in America, I am waiting for the "better angels", and wondering when the fuck they are going to show up and do something.
I'm not holding my breath.
MadameButterfly
(4,129 posts)is doing. Any more than more than half of Americans don't want to be equated with Donald Trump and his misadventures.
maxrandb
(17,485 posts)like it or not, every fucking fisherman being blown up in the Caribbean or Pacific, every drowning human being denied assistance by our Navy, every schoolgirl killed in Iran, every minority voter being disenfranchised, every American being shot in the face by ICE goons IS BEING DONE IN ALL OF OUR NAMES!!!
Israelis, just like Americans, are lying to themselves EVERYTIME they say; "this is not who we are".
Until we remove these fascists from office, SORRY, but this is precisely "who we are"!
bdamomma
(69,605 posts)is not off the radar......he is behind this all too. Seeing the US crash and burn was always his goal, with a puppet like DJT.
Orrex
(67,318 posts)and that Hamas can end it whenever they want. To suggest otherwise is pure antisemitism, of course.
democrank
(12,661 posts)you protest an Israeli reservist shooting a child in the head.
Bettie
(19,808 posts)the terrible, terrible crime of....checks notes....attempting to go to school.
niyad
(133,609 posts)and cruelty existed in only a small number of people. Horrifyingly, I was wrong.
BeneteauBum
(688 posts)I may seem impossibly futile now but they will pay.
Peace ☮️
paleotn
(22,555 posts)Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.
Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.
AllyCat
(18,954 posts)Wednesdays
(22,986 posts)But I don't use them as excuses for killing. That's the difference.
relogic
(207 posts)easily interpreted any way you want, I.e. to love and hate from Genesis to Revelation-belief might just be the problem and quite useful in either paradigms.
Skittles
(172,476 posts)I have no problem with people believing in nonsense but they never seem to be able to keep it to themselves
stage left
(3,335 posts)Or is it the excuse?
magicarpet
(19,177 posts)And then having Fascists joyfully attempt to commit genocide to expel, expunge, and eliminate an entire nationality of people.
How Benjamin Netanyahu - of Jewish ethnic heritage - currently the Premier of Israel and Masoud Pezeshkian - of Armenian ethic heritage - currently the President of Iran - how either men could conceivably think that ethnic cleansing and/or genocide is an acceptable means of dealing with an adversary tangled with in conflict, is the proper thing to do is astounding, shameful, and disgusting.
After what the Germans did to the Jews and what the Turks did to the Armenians you would think these men would have clearly learned the lessons that ethnic cleansings, genocide, and wiping a nationality of people off the face of the planet is a very nasty and unacceptable thing to contemplate doing or ever take action toward as such a reprehensible idea to even fathomeven contemplating. The history of their ancestors should inform that this type of thinking is inhumane and totally unthinkable.
Both of these men, both of their countries have been drawn to the fascistic ways of doing war. Both of these men and both of these countries have been guided and drawn into by factions of internal religious extremists who are tugging and yanking the strings of their government in the theaters of war to do the incomprehensible of committing war crimes. Both of these men and both of these countries have vocalized and acted upon ethnic cleansing as a means to resolve conflicts with their adversaries.
These men can do so much better than this. The United States should drag both men to a summit table, force them to put down their guns, bomb, and missiles. Bring all the various players in the Middle East together for a grand summit to hammer out a peace agreement that will put all this back stabbing and warmongering finally to rest to build a lasting and enduring peace in this region.
The warmongers and their profiteers must not be allowed to gum up the works of those involved in searching for peace.Never ending war is no longer workable or rational. We need to put our heads together and finally stop this madness of constant war.
Ponietz
(4,385 posts)cbabe
(6,750 posts)And Nobel prize winner.
https://m.
magicarpet
(19,177 posts).... found in most radical religious teachings.
Kid Berwyn
(24,884 posts)His crime, apart from being born a Palestinian living on his ancestral land, was helping a neighbor whod been injured in an attack.
The settlers are just doing like the cowboys did to the Indians in America, doncha know?
Justice matters.
(9,993 posts)Circa 1940-1943.
Now it's the other wrong way around.
Kid Berwyn
(24,884 posts)There is nothing we want more than for all people to live in peace.
To do so requires just one thing: Respect for all others.
Otherwise, hate will course through hearts filled with vengeance and that hate only ends with genocide and leaves an eternally empty heart.
jmbar2
(8,099 posts)I know that government policies don't reflect what average Israeli's feel, but it shows what happens when their version of MAGAs have absolute control.
Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.
That's why education systems need to teach how oppression works, to prevent it. We have removed all that curriculum now in the DEI purge.
US support for Israel needs to end. There's no difference between what they are doing, and what Russia is doing in Ukraine. The Israel victim card is expired.
PhylliPretzel
(225 posts)Polling in Israel show that the VAST majority of Jewish Israelis support the razing of Gaza, the West Bank, and south Lebanon. "Kill them all" is a popular sentiment.
ratchiweenie
(8,233 posts)Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.
questionseverything
(11,915 posts)jmbar2
(8,099 posts)I was seeing coverage of the protests there that made it seem like they were ready for change. I guess, not yet. Praying that Bibi gets the dirt nap soon.
Ilikepurple
(770 posts)Of people within their group or other oppressed demographics. That is they learn the oppressors model and cant help but emulate rather than liberating themselves from it. Here the roles do not shift as they do in the rescue triangle as much as they form a situation where the oppressed are somewhat compelled to find individuals or groups that they can themselves oppress. The oppressors at the top of the oppression chain can take advantage as the oppressed will focus more of their energy oppressing others and less fighting their own oppression. In post colonial times, rarely have the oppressed had opportunity to oppress its oppressors. I believe the work is about the dangers of learning through a fundamentally oppressive pedagogical structure that doesnt allow for true dialog? I believe for Freire the way we learn must change as much as what we learn.
My aim isnt to criticize your understanding, as Im mainly just trying to get Freires ideas clearer in my mind. Thank you for posting this. For me, the idea of the oppressed, given a chance, will become the oppressor if they dont understand the dynamics of oppression comes from a belief that we all share a fundamentally similar underlying nature. Given a demographic, there is rarely anything neurologically unique about its individuals or ideologically unique about its underlying culture that would prevent it to slip into oppressive behavior without a fundamental understanding of what oppression looks like and why its bad. I agree with Freire that the best way to learn this is through human dialog rather than as mere fact. For the same reason, I believe learning facts by way of AI and the internet often falls short of giving us a robust understanding of most subject matter.
Dave Bowman
(7,362 posts)leftstreet
(41,177 posts)AloeVera
(4,353 posts)What will it take?
This is heading towards a replay of 1947-48. Ethnic cleansing, terrorism, massacres and driving people off their lands and burning their towns and villages. It's already happening in Lebanon, with the burning replaced by modern means of scorched-earth.
When that starts happening in the OPT, no one should say they didn't know. There is clear evidence since 1947 for those who cared to know - or cared.
malaise
(297,471 posts)The truth
pansypoo53219
(23,138 posts)LoisB
(13,256 posts)calimary
(90,538 posts)Imagine
Song by John Lennon ‧ 1971
Lyrics:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: John Winston Lennon
H2O Man
(79,201 posts)I'll take "Yes!" for a thousand, and a Daily Double.
Being old, I can remember way, way back to the 2024 election for president. A significant number of grass roots Democrats -- and an even larger number of independents -- were strongly opposed to what Netanyahu was doing in Gaza. They were told that the party couldn't question Israel, much less speak out against genocide. No, sir! Indeed, to put the stamp of approval on pretending it wasn't possible, they brought the pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney on stage to endorse our ticket's silence on the genocide.
Yet, as John Lennon said, "A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words." So a bunch of people who thought, "WTF? Isn't being anti-genocide a democratic value?" opted to not vote. Thus, a convicted sex offender/felon won. Those who had assured us that we could only win by ignoring genocide began to put the blame for the loss on the anti-genocide people, who had allowed morals, ethics, and placing value on human life, gosh darn them!
As time has gone on, as it frequently tends to do, more and more people -- including both Democrats on the grass roots' level who do not get donations from AIPAC -- began to recognize that people like those silly college students protesting against the genocide in Gaza were actually right. And they began to learn that, despite main stream media's failure to report on it, that Netanyahu & fiends planned to take over the West Bank as well. This, of course, is because they watch pod casts, or see accurate reports elsewhere on this pesky internet.
Few things could have forced more citizens at the grass roots level to question our nation's unquestioning support of Netanyahu and Israel more than, say, a sneak attack on Iran for the second time during negotiations. And I should add that those savage Iranians wanted to stock up on defensive weapons, just in case some civilized nations were to engage in an unprovoked attack against them. And now that the president is caught in the quicksand with no face-saving way out, he and his misadministration are attacking pod casts. Check out the threat of a law suit by Eric, because Meidas Touch reports accurately which way the wind blows. And we can't have that.
I think that a growing number of grass roots Democrats recognize that we have to crush the maga party in November. That holds the potential for a Congress that at least tries to stop the madness in the Middle East. And that includes stopping the murder of citizens of the West Bank, and the outright theft of their homes and property. If we fail to do so, the West Bank will be subject to more of the insane violence we are seeing in the region. Maybe it's just me, but I think we need to consider electing candidates who refuse to accept blood money/thirty pieces of silver from pro-Netanyahu sources.
AloeVera
(4,353 posts)"pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney"
"Netanyahu and fiends"
As for your thoughts, no it's not just you. This is what happened. Some of us saw the unfolding catastrophe in real-time while others are now catching up. We can only hope it results in positive change.
malaise
(297,471 posts)Great post
Eko
(10,042 posts)And that people continue to blame the ones who pointed out this horrid affront to humanity for losing the election.
cliffside
(1,769 posts)PatrickforB
(15,498 posts)And I'm ashamed that our country is enabling them.
blm
(114,732 posts)magicarpet
(19,177 posts)With the wave of their Fascist magic wand,... poof - states can now redraw, breakup, and dilute Black voting district on a national basis. The red state voting districts will now take a pounding, coutesy of the USSC and Chief Justice Roberts.The larger number of Blacks in the US House will soon rapidly diminish because their districts will be gerrymandered out of existence by redrawing the voting district maps. So the voting power of Black citizens are once again severely negated.
The Blue Flower
(6,561 posts)The settlers are monsters. Many people care. The government doesn't.
Marcuse
(9,070 posts)OMGWTF
(5,196 posts)Prove me wrong.
chicago guy
(52 posts)I have no objection to Israel defend itself. I do have an issue with killing anyone because sometime in the future they may decide to harm you! Truly this only promotes further violence and install s hate. You killed my mother, father, brother, sister, cousin now I am going to seek revenge. Just look to trump he is out to revenge any one he thinks did him a bad. Israel is doing that now. WTF
pat_k
(13,749 posts)And inroads are being made. Perhaps the wins seem small, but even small victories are worthy of celebration.
In the U.S.
AJP Action
https://ajpaction.org/
Unapologetically organizes, mobilizes, advocates, and lobbies to advance Palestinian freedom, dignity, and self‑determination by working to end U.S. support for Israeli settler colonialism, apartheid, and military occupation.
JVP Action: Jewish Voice for Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Jewish Voice for Peace is the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organization in the world. Were organizing a grassroots, multiracial, cross-class, intergenerational movement of U.S. Jews into solidarity with the Palestinian freedom struggle, guided by a vision of justice, equality, and dignity for all people.
US Campaign for Palestinian Rights
https://uscpr.org/
As part of a global movement for collective liberation, we work to end U.S. complicity in Israel's massive violence against the Palestinian people. We will keep fighting until we end all U.S. military funding to Israel and Palestine is free.
IfNotNow
https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/
We are a movement of U.S. Jews organizing our community to end U.S. support for Israel's apartheid system and demand equality, justice, and a thriving future.
No More Weapons for Israel's War (Coalition)
https://demandprogress.org/57-groups-to-senate-no-more-weapons-for-israels-war
A coalition of 57 progressive, faith-based, and humanitarian organizations launched in November 2024 to lobby the U.S. Senate to support Joint Resolutions of Disapproval (JRDs) aimed at blocking arms sales to Israel
American Friends Service Committee
https://afsc.org/topics/gaza-israel
Bringing together people of all faiths and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe.
And of course other humanitarian and human rights groups like Amnesty Internation, Human Rights Watch, and Oxfam
And a hell of a lot of Israelis care.
B'Tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
Physicians for Human RightsIsrael
https://www.phr.org.il/
Breaking the Silence
https://www.breakingthesilence.org
An organization of veteran combatants that collects and publishes testimonies from Israeli soldiers regarding unethical behavior and potential war crimes committed during military operations.
Yesh Din - Volunteers for human rights
https://www.yesh-din.org/
Established in 2005 and has been working to protect the human rights of Palestinians in the West Bank who are subject to the Israeli military occupation.
Gisha (literally: access. AKA Legal Center for Freedom of Movement)
https://gisha.org/en/
Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents. Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law.
HaMoked (literally: the center. AKA Center for the Defence of the Individual)
https://hamoked.org/
Protecting the basic rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation
The Hind Rajab Foundation
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/
Demanding Accountability, Seeking Justice
The Hind Rajab Foundation is devoted to breaking the cycle of Israeli impunity and achieving justice for all the victims of the Gaza genocide.
Standing Together
https://www.standing-together.org/en/about-en
We envision a society that serves all of us and treats every person with dignity. A society that chooses peace, justice, and independence for Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs. A society in which we all enjoy real security, adequate housing, quality education, good healthcare, a liveable climate, a decent salary, and the ability to age with dignity.
Such a society is possible were already building it.
malaise
(297,471 posts)Thanks
cliffside
(1,769 posts)they released new maps a few days ago. There was a yellow line, now there is an orange line in Gaza as well. Let's not forget about Lebanon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzHUezDlJ6/
"democracynow
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Israel's military has issued new maps of the Gaza Strip showing it controls significantly more territory beyond what it agreed to in the U.S.-brokered ceasefire last October.
Reuters reports the restricted area, marked on the maps with an orange line, makes up some 11% of Gaza's territory beyond a so-called Yellow Line. As a result, Israel now claims control over about two-thirds of Gaza."
Israels orange line in Gaza tightens movement and aid access
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