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malaise

(297,471 posts)
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:22 AM 16 hrs ago

Does anyone care?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/02/israeli-militants-attack-west-bank-schools-settler-violence

‘Go inside, he will kill you’: Israeli militants step up West Bank school attacks

The Israeli reservist shot 14-year-old Aws al-Naasan in the head just outside the western gate of the Mughayyir boys’ secondary school, where he was studying in ninth grade.

Aws collapsed instantly, bleeding heavily. More shots rang out as his friends ran to his side, picked up his now-limp body and rushed him out of the line of fire, their path along the school wall marked by a trail of their classmate’s blood.

Footage from inside the building showed terrified children and teachers crouched in stairwells, shouting at others to get down. Another video captured the shooter, a reservist in partial military uniform, taking aim at the school from the hillside above.

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Does anyone care? (Original Post) malaise 16 hrs ago OP
This is unacceptable! surfered 15 hrs ago #1
I care Roy Rolling 15 hrs ago #2
Yes,.. But aren't expressions of concern, caring, and repulsion of the murder of innocent Palestinian children.. magicarpet 12 hrs ago #27
I'm 100 % in the same place. Permanut 6 hrs ago #60
Enough is enough, stop the hate, and B.See 6 hrs ago #62
We need to get louder and more persistent in our opinions and views. magicarpet 5 hrs ago #64
Absolutely. B.See 5 hrs ago #65
Yes, lots of people do. But not the ones with power to stop it. LymphocyteLover 15 hrs ago #3
The soldier may get some cursory moniss 15 hrs ago #4
No words for this. Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #5
I have a few. calimary 9 hrs ago #42
;-{) SAVE THE CHILDREN Goonch 15 hrs ago #6
Caring is not and has never been reflected in US policies. Passages 14 hrs ago #7
We care. The hard right does not. sinkingfeeling 14 hrs ago #8
trDUMP appointing the radical extremeist Fascist KkKrishtun Southern Baptist Pastor, Mike Huckabee as,... magicarpet 11 hrs ago #31
They don't believe any of that Cirsium 9 hrs ago #40
I've said the very same here regarding religion and racism BaronChocula 8 hrs ago #43
No,... I think you are right,... magicarpet 8 hrs ago #48
Old Testament Cirsium 7 hrs ago #53
The New Testaments are way too full of the venom of "Wokeness". magicarpet 6 hrs ago #57
Sure. OldBaldy1701E 14 hrs ago #9
The sad truth malaise 13 hrs ago #16
It's time we as a country take Israel off the pedestal we put them on. KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #10
and they couldn't do this without our support MadameButterfly 13 hrs ago #18
I perpetually have to explain to people that the Jewish people AllyCat 11 hrs ago #28
Agree with you 100% BaronChocula 8 hrs ago #45
The problem is that it is Nutty-yahoo, his Likud Party, AIPAC, the ADL and similar groups maxrandb 6 hrs ago #61
and there are many Israeli's who don't want to be equated with what Netanyahu MadameButterfly 3 hrs ago #72
It doesn't matter what Israelis or Americans "want" maxrandb 51 min ago #80
Putin bdamomma 5 hrs ago #68
Perhaps Bibi's apologists can assure us that this is all Hamas' fault... Orrex 14 hrs ago #11
You know you're an anti-Semite if democrank 14 hrs ago #12
Shooting a child in the head for Bettie 2 hrs ago #74
We care, but we seem to be in a minority. I used to think that such malevolence niyad 14 hrs ago #13
The harshest judgment awaits their future BeneteauBum 13 hrs ago #14
Systematic genocide perpetrated by a people who should know better if anyone should. paleotn 13 hrs ago #15
THIS malaise 13 hrs ago #17
Dusty old books of myth. Perfect description. AllyCat 11 hrs ago #30
I believe those "dusty books of myth" Wednesdays 10 hrs ago #32
If belief in those dusty,old books are so... relogic 7 hrs ago #50
RIGHT? Skittles 7 hrs ago #51
Is religion the reason? stage left 7 hrs ago #49
Yes. paleotn 6 hrs ago #55
The Jews like the Armenians suffered greatly from authoritarians and Fascists having run amok. magicarpet 6 hrs ago #56
Israel needs to sit in the corner and think about its behavior Ponietz 13 hrs ago #19
Remember Malala? Pakistan girl shot in head by Taliban for going to school. cbabe 13 hrs ago #20
Yes, irrational religious extremism is shared across the entire spectrum of religious thought and,... magicarpet 5 hrs ago #63
Settlers killed the boy's father in 2019. Kid Berwyn 13 hrs ago #21
Or what German soldiers used to do to Jewish kids in Eastern Europe Justice matters. 10 hrs ago #37
Breaks my heart, too. Kid Berwyn 9 hrs ago #41
I am repulsed by Israel now. Clear-cut ethnic cleansing/genocidal activity jmbar2 12 hrs ago #22
Alas, I wish your first statement were true . . . PhylliPretzel 12 hrs ago #24
Yes, Israel has become repulsive. I'll wait for another lecture on how I am anti-Semitic. ratchiweenie 12 hrs ago #26
THIS malaise 11 hrs ago #29
70 plus % agree with Israel's actions, unfortunately questionseverything 10 hrs ago #35
I didn't realize it was that high jmbar2 9 hrs ago #38
I'm a little outside my expertise here but I thought the idea was that they become an oppressor Ilikepurple 17 min ago #81
I do and it's despicable. 😡 Dave Bowman 12 hrs ago #23
Disgusting leftstreet 12 hrs ago #25
When does the revulsion reach critical mass? AloeVera 10 hrs ago #33
Nailed it malaise 10 hrs ago #34
netanfucku need to go to prison w/ all his minions. pansypoo53219 10 hrs ago #36
Many of us do. LoisB 9 hrs ago #39
Always makes the John Lennon song "Imagine" pop back into my mind. calimary 8 hrs ago #44
Recommended. H2O Man 8 hrs ago #46
Great post. I almost missed these gems. AloeVera 7 hrs ago #52
Out of the park malaise 6 hrs ago #59
Great post. I find it crazy that a Presidential Election that we just had 2 years ago swept it under the rug. Eko 4 hrs ago #69
K&R spanone 4 hrs ago #70
+ 100 nt cliffside 1 hr ago #79
I care. n/t PatrickforB 8 hrs ago #47
yes mike_c 7 hrs ago #54
Racist Hatred is the laziest anger in the world. blm 6 hrs ago #58
.... and insidiously prevalent. Look at what the USSC just recent did with their racist ruling on the Voting Rights Act. magicarpet 5 hrs ago #67
Disgusting The Blue Flower 5 hrs ago #66
End the aid. Marcuse 3 hrs ago #71
Yes. I have been reprimanded here and elsewhere for saying that Nuttyahoo is acting like Mustache Man. OMGWTF 3 hrs ago #73
Right to defend. Has limits chicago guy 2 hrs ago #75
Millions care. Citizen lobbyists have an uphill battle, but they've been working for decades. pat_k 2 hrs ago #76
Important malaise 2 hrs ago #77
I care, in addition Israel has pushed further into Gaza controlling almost 2/3 of Gaza ... cliffside 1 hr ago #78
Sounds a little like what happens in US schools, or US streets adam_vermont 4 min ago #82

Roy Rolling

(7,680 posts)
2. I care
Sun May 3, 2026, 07:36 AM
15 hrs ago

You care. We care.

The right people care.

The wrong people have more influence than intelligence.

Resist ‘til it hurts.

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
27. Yes,.. But aren't expressions of concern, caring, and repulsion of the murder of innocent Palestinian children..
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:17 AM
12 hrs ago

Just a gross and repulsive act of ANTI-SEMITISM against the State of Greater Israel.

I don't want to become unpopular or treated has low life scumbag by the Israeli lobby - because I voiced my concerns in a public setting for the murder and/or massacre, and/or genocide of children.

Isn't it much safer to just keep my mouth shut, shrug, and immediately look the other way ?

Pretending these atrocious and horrific atrocities simply are not taking place, for the sake of a Greater Israel and her expanding Mother Empire building efforts.

I am so torn, twisted and confused about my correct views here.
Should the USA condone Israel's murder of the innocents by providing copious quantities and endless amounts of guns, bullets, other munitions, bombs, missiles, and other hi tech and advanced military gear and equipment.

..... Or just say enough is FUCKING enough - and stop this
FUCKING madness.

B.See

(8,713 posts)
62. Enough is enough, stop the hate, and
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:14 PM
6 hrs ago

give peace a chance. It has always been my point of view.

But it has also been my opinion that, the powers that be, don't want it.

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
64. We need to get louder and more persistent in our opinions and views.
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:34 PM
5 hrs ago

To evoke or provoke a change in the current status quo.

The Fascists, the warmongers, the oligarch class, and the defenders of the status quo - all need our push back like they have not experienced previously.

moniss

(9,129 posts)
4. The soldier may get some cursory
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:01 AM
15 hrs ago

"review" or get some light punishment but in the eyes of the hard right in Israel he will be considered a hero and be celebrated.

Passages

(4,405 posts)
7. Caring is not and has never been reflected in US policies.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:26 AM
14 hrs ago

U.S. citizens are a different story; most do care.

Independents’ Sympathies Shift Toward Palestinians in Past Year

excerpt:
Independents' Sympathies in the Middle East Situation
In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead-americans-middle-east-sympathies.aspx#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20Americans'%20separate,%25%20to%2034%25%20last%20year.



magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
31. trDUMP appointing the radical extremeist Fascist KkKrishtun Southern Baptist Pastor, Mike Huckabee as,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:59 AM
11 hrs ago

.... the USA's Ambassador to Israel kicked open this new KkKrishtun Crusade back into the Holylands. These wacko KkKrishtuns believe that if they fight a blood war and battle to the death - this usher in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ from the heavens to return back here on earth.

(Oh I almost forgot, djt's appointment of Pete KkKegsbreath as Secretary of War + Lethality played an intregral role in bringing this bloody to the death KkKrishtun Crusade into being so Jeebuzz would stop by for his second coming while finally claiming permanent domicile here on earth.)

Here Christ will remain to rule over Born Again KkKrishtuns who will live in ever lasting peace, tranquility, and a beautiful utopia. All non KkKrishtuns will then be banished from the earth by
their Jeebuzz for an eternity. While finally for those believers remaining -will be allowed to live in total absolute bliss - as they endlessly pray with their beloved Jeebuzz. Now fully and absolutely unencumbered by Socialist Commies,.. their ridiculous Wokeness,... and their DEI bullshit crap. Their GI Joe Jeebuzz will not put up or tolerate with this Progressive Pinko foolishness.

Cirsium

(4,055 posts)
40. They don't believe any of that
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:08 PM
9 hrs ago

I don't think they believe any of that. All of that religiosity is just cover for their cruelty and bigotry. If they had a choice between keeping the "Christian" pretense but stopping the cruelty and bigotry, or giving up Christianity and keeping the cruelty and bigotry, which one do you think they would take?

BaronChocula

(4,683 posts)
43. I've said the very same here regarding religion and racism
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:26 PM
8 hrs ago

in America. I once commented that Christian nationalism and white nationalism were pretty much indistinguishable. Christianity has been used to justify the most defining acts of white nationalism. Of course, someone came on and "corrected" me that the two were related but not the same. Forest, trees

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
48. No,... I think you are right,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:18 PM
8 hrs ago

Their CHRIST-ian-ity,.... you know, like the followers of Jesus Christ,...
.... but they know/or care nothing about the teaching of Christ. Hence this is why I invariable refer to these fakers as KkKrishtuns.. They wear the mask of KKKRISHTUNISM to give themselves the patina or put on the facade of that which is good, that which seem to indicate they are pious, benevolent, non-judgmental, fair, honest, etc., etc..But that is all only just a mask or their grand masquerade to trick and fool people.

Under the mask resides the real person. They are hateful, they are hurtful, they are extremely judgmental, they are critical of others, they would not lift merely a finger to help someone out, and as said above,... they are extremely cruel, they are dishonest, they cheat and steal, they inflict harm and injury as their source of entertainment and vile enjoyment, etc., etc..

They then have the audacity to wear and brag about these personal attributes like they were a badge of honor when surrounded and in the company of their like minded fake religious comrades and compatriots.

They are the dregs of society,... but trDUMP has given them a platform so they falsely think they are at the pinnacle of humanity making them far better than the every day average American, making them something special above all the rest.

They comprise the majority of the MAGA trash bin of defective and severely damaged people actively trying to bring our Democracy down because they were told and instructed to abhor anything construed as being Liberal and/or Progressive and/or forward thinking. KkKrishtun Fascists can not tolerate such evil things.

Cirsium

(4,055 posts)
53. Old Testament
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:01 PM
7 hrs ago

Notice that they always cite stuff from the Old Testament. That erases Jesus from the picture.

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
57. The New Testaments are way too full of the venom of "Wokeness".
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:59 PM
6 hrs ago

The religious extremists have no time or patience for such poison.

The Wrath of the Heavens, plus Fire and Brimstone is more their likings and speed. A splash of violence is a good thing. It's more alpha, macho, and manly. Not so pinko,... as the teachings of Jesus Christ.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,396 posts)
9. Sure.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:31 AM
14 hrs ago

What good did it do us when the powers that be are so far up Israel's ass? What good did it do when this nation has the level of cheerleaders that we have? But, they're convinced that their religion is going to save them, and that location is 'sacred' to them, so they are trying desperately to convince everyone that said location gives those who live there deific powers or something.

Some people tried to warn everyone. But, hey... those people are making lots of money over it, so I guess that makes it okay around here. The fact that those with power decided to mix in the profit, the evangelical religion, and the politics to try and justify their greed and bias when it comes to this particular nation is just horrifying.

The fact that we don't seem to care about this is... not surprising.

KS Toronado

(23,764 posts)
10. It's time we as a country take Israel off the pedestal we put them on.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:35 AM
14 hrs ago

Nowadays they are pure evil just like our Government.

MadameButterfly

(4,129 posts)
18. and they couldn't do this without our support
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:00 AM
13 hrs ago

There are many Israeli's against the violence who want Netanyahu brought to justice. I hate to think what would happen to them if the US withdrew it's protection. But we can't keep funding this kind of violence.

Of course, it's a moot point until Trump is out of office, and the damage will have been done by then. Netanyahu is aware he had free reign for another 2 1/2 years.

AllyCat

(18,954 posts)
28. I perpetually have to explain to people that the Jewish people
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:38 AM
11 hrs ago

Are NOT Israel. I have several Jewish friends and acquaintances who abhor what the US and Israel are doing.

I mention anything about the Jewish people in the US and people in the group immediately start talking about Israel.

BaronChocula

(4,683 posts)
45. Agree with you 100%
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:43 PM
8 hrs ago

about not equating Jewish people with Israel.
Except I'm curious about what you mean in the last sentence. Does that mean If you bring up, say, Henry Winkler some will jump right to Israel? Or if you bring up an attack on a synagog they jump right to Israel? That's pretty messed up.

maxrandb

(17,485 posts)
61. The problem is that it is Nutty-yahoo, his Likud Party, AIPAC, the ADL and similar groups
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:06 PM
6 hrs ago
that want you to equate Israel with the Jewish people. That way, Israel can do whatever the fuck it wants, and ANY criticism becomes "antisemitism".

Israel is using the memory of the holocaust to conduct its own...and that's pretty effing disgusting.

Just like in America, I am waiting for the "better angels", and wondering when the fuck they are going to show up and do something.

I'm not holding my breath.

MadameButterfly

(4,129 posts)
72. and there are many Israeli's who don't want to be equated with what Netanyahu
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:05 PM
3 hrs ago

is doing. Any more than more than half of Americans don't want to be equated with Donald Trump and his misadventures.

maxrandb

(17,485 posts)
80. It doesn't matter what Israelis or Americans "want"
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:32 PM
51 min ago

like it or not, every fucking fisherman being blown up in the Caribbean or Pacific, every drowning human being denied assistance by our Navy, every schoolgirl killed in Iran, every minority voter being disenfranchised, every American being shot in the face by ICE goons IS BEING DONE IN ALL OF OUR NAMES!!!

Israelis, just like Americans, are lying to themselves EVERYTIME they say; "this is not who we are".

Until we remove these fascists from office, SORRY, but this is precisely "who we are"!

bdamomma

(69,605 posts)
68. Putin
Sun May 3, 2026, 06:13 PM
5 hrs ago

is not off the radar......he is behind this all too. Seeing the US crash and burn was always his goal, with a puppet like DJT.

Orrex

(67,318 posts)
11. Perhaps Bibi's apologists can assure us that this is all Hamas' fault...
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:51 AM
14 hrs ago

and that Hamas can end it whenever they want. To suggest otherwise is pure antisemitism, of course.


democrank

(12,661 posts)
12. You know you're an anti-Semite if
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:14 AM
14 hrs ago

you protest an Israeli reservist shooting a child in the head.

Bettie

(19,808 posts)
74. Shooting a child in the head for
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:27 PM
2 hrs ago

the terrible, terrible crime of....checks notes....attempting to go to school.

niyad

(133,609 posts)
13. We care, but we seem to be in a minority. I used to think that such malevolence
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:21 AM
14 hrs ago

and cruelty existed in only a small number of people. Horrifyingly, I was wrong.

BeneteauBum

(688 posts)
14. The harshest judgment awaits their future
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
13 hrs ago

I may seem impossibly futile now but they will pay.

Peace ☮️

paleotn

(22,555 posts)
15. Systematic genocide perpetrated by a people who should know better if anyone should.
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:40 AM
13 hrs ago

Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.

malaise

(297,471 posts)
17. THIS
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:57 AM
13 hrs ago

Also what happens when two peoples read dusty old books of myth and take them seriously.

Wednesdays

(22,986 posts)
32. I believe those "dusty books of myth"
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:49 PM
10 hrs ago

But I don't use them as excuses for killing. That's the difference.

relogic

(207 posts)
50. If belief in those dusty,old books are so...
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:44 PM
7 hrs ago

easily interpreted any way you want, I.e. to love and hate from Genesis to Revelation-belief might just be the problem and quite useful in either paradigms.

Skittles

(172,476 posts)
51. RIGHT?
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:47 PM
7 hrs ago

I have no problem with people believing in nonsense but they never seem to be able to keep it to themselves

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
56. The Jews like the Armenians suffered greatly from authoritarians and Fascists having run amok.
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:43 PM
6 hrs ago

And then having Fascists joyfully attempt to commit genocide to expel, expunge, and eliminate an entire nationality of people.

How Benjamin Netanyahu - of Jewish ethnic heritage - currently the Premier of Israel and Masoud Pezeshkian - of Armenian ethic heritage - currently the President of Iran - how either men could conceivably think that ethnic cleansing and/or genocide is an acceptable means of dealing with an adversary tangled with in conflict, is the proper thing to do is astounding, shameful, and disgusting.

After what the Germans did to the Jews and what the Turks did to the Armenians you would think these men would have clearly learned the lessons that ethnic cleansings, genocide, and wiping a nationality of people off the face of the planet is a very nasty and unacceptable thing to contemplate doing or ever take action toward as such a reprehensible idea to even fathomeven contemplating. The history of their ancestors should inform that this type of thinking is inhumane and totally unthinkable.

Both of these men, both of their countries have been drawn to the fascistic ways of doing war. Both of these men and both of these countries have been guided and drawn into by factions of internal religious extremists who are tugging and yanking the strings of their government in the theaters of war to do the incomprehensible of committing war crimes. Both of these men and both of these countries have vocalized and acted upon ethnic cleansing as a means to resolve conflicts with their adversaries.

These men can do so much better than this. The United States should drag both men to a summit table, force them to put down their guns, bomb, and missiles. Bring all the various players in the Middle East together for a grand summit to hammer out a peace agreement that will put all this back stabbing and warmongering finally to rest to build a lasting and enduring peace in this region.

The warmongers and their profiteers must not be allowed to gum up the works of those involved in searching for peace.Never ending war is no longer workable or rational. We need to put our heads together and finally stop this madness of constant war.

cbabe

(6,750 posts)
20. Remember Malala? Pakistan girl shot in head by Taliban for going to school.
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:12 AM
13 hrs ago

And Nobel prize winner.

https://m.

&ra=m

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
63. Yes, irrational religious extremism is shared across the entire spectrum of religious thought and,...
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:25 PM
5 hrs ago

.... found in most radical religious teachings.

Kid Berwyn

(24,884 posts)
21. Settlers killed the boy's father in 2019.
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:16 AM
13 hrs ago

His “crime,” apart from being born a Palestinian living on his ancestral land, was helping a neighbor who’d been injured in an attack.

The “settlers” are just doing “like the cowboys did to the Indians” in America, doncha know?

Justice matters.

(9,993 posts)
37. Or what German soldiers used to do to Jewish kids in Eastern Europe
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:13 PM
10 hrs ago

Circa 1940-1943.

Now it's the other wrong way around.

Kid Berwyn

(24,884 posts)
41. Breaks my heart, too.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:10 PM
9 hrs ago

There is nothing we want more than for all people to live in peace.

To do so requires just one thing: Respect for all others.

Otherwise, hate will course through hearts filled with vengeance — and that hate only ends with genocide and leaves an eternally empty heart.

jmbar2

(8,099 posts)
22. I am repulsed by Israel now. Clear-cut ethnic cleansing/genocidal activity
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:24 AM
12 hrs ago

I know that government policies don't reflect what average Israeli's feel, but it shows what happens when their version of MAGAs have absolute control.

Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.

That's why education systems need to teach how oppression works, to prevent it. We have removed all that curriculum now in the DEI purge.

US support for Israel needs to end. There's no difference between what they are doing, and what Russia is doing in Ukraine. The Israel victim card is expired.

PhylliPretzel

(225 posts)
24. Alas, I wish your first statement were true . . .
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:35 AM
12 hrs ago

Polling in Israel show that the VAST majority of Jewish Israelis support the razing of Gaza, the West Bank, and south Lebanon. "Kill them all" is a popular sentiment.

ratchiweenie

(8,233 posts)
26. Yes, Israel has become repulsive. I'll wait for another lecture on how I am anti-Semitic.
Sun May 3, 2026, 10:54 AM
12 hrs ago

malaise

(297,471 posts)
29. THIS
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:38 AM
11 hrs ago

Paolo Freire, in "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", said that the without consciousness of the dynamics of oppression, the oppressed eventually become the oppressors. It's similar to the rescue triangle in psychotherapy. Parties rotate from being the victim, the oppressor, and the rescuer.

jmbar2

(8,099 posts)
38. I didn't realize it was that high
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:28 PM
9 hrs ago

I was seeing coverage of the protests there that made it seem like they were ready for change. I guess, not yet. Praying that Bibi gets the dirt nap soon.

Ilikepurple

(770 posts)
81. I'm a little outside my expertise here but I thought the idea was that they become an oppressor
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:06 PM
17 min ago

Of people within their group or other oppressed demographics. That is they learn the oppressors’ model and can’t help but emulate rather than liberating themselves from it. Here the roles do not shift as they do in the rescue triangle as much as they form a situation where the oppressed are somewhat compelled to find individuals or groups that they can themselves oppress. The oppressors at the top of the oppression chain can take advantage as the oppressed will focus more of their energy oppressing others and less fighting their own oppression. In post colonial times, rarely have the oppressed had opportunity to oppress its oppressors. I believe the work is about the dangers of learning through a fundamentally oppressive pedagogical structure that doesn’t allow for true dialog? I believe for Freire the way we learn must change as much as what we learn.
My aim isn’t to criticize your understanding, as I’m mainly just trying to get Freire’s ideas clearer in my mind. Thank you for posting this. For me, the idea of the oppressed, given a chance, will become the oppressor if they don’t understand the dynamics of oppression comes from a belief that we all share a fundamentally similar underlying nature. Given a demographic, there is rarely anything neurologically unique about its individuals or ideologically unique about its underlying culture that would prevent it to slip into oppressive behavior without a fundamental understanding of what oppression looks like and why it’s bad. I agree with Freire that the best way to learn this is through human dialog rather than as mere fact. For the same reason, I believe learning facts by way of AI and the internet often falls short of giving us a robust understanding of most subject matter.

AloeVera

(4,353 posts)
33. When does the revulsion reach critical mass?
Sun May 3, 2026, 12:54 PM
10 hrs ago

What will it take?

This is heading towards a replay of 1947-48. Ethnic cleansing, terrorism, massacres and driving people off their lands and burning their towns and villages. It's already happening in Lebanon, with the burning replaced by modern means of scorched-earth.

When that starts happening in the OPT, no one should say they didn't know. There is clear evidence since 1947 for those who cared to know - or cared.

calimary

(90,538 posts)
44. Always makes the John Lennon song "Imagine" pop back into my mind.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:26 PM
8 hrs ago

Imagine
Song by John Lennon ‧ 1971

Lyrics:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: John Winston Lennon

H2O Man

(79,201 posts)
46. Recommended.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:44 PM
8 hrs ago

I'll take "Yes!" for a thousand, and a Daily Double.

Being old, I can remember way, way back to the 2024 election for president. A significant number of grass roots Democrats -- and an even larger number of independents -- were strongly opposed to what Netanyahu was doing in Gaza. They were told that the party couldn't question Israel, much less speak out against genocide. No, sir! Indeed, to put the stamp of approval on pretending it wasn't possible, they brought the pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney on stage to endorse our ticket's silence on the genocide.

Yet, as John Lennon said, "A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words." So a bunch of people who thought, "WTF? Isn't being anti-genocide a democratic value?" opted to not vote. Thus, a convicted sex offender/felon won. Those who had assured us that we could only win by ignoring genocide began to put the blame for the loss on the anti-genocide people, who had allowed morals, ethics, and placing value on human life, gosh darn them!

As time has gone on, as it frequently tends to do, more and more people -- including both Democrats on the grass roots' level who do not get donations from AIPAC -- began to recognize that people like those silly college students protesting against the genocide in Gaza were actually right. And they began to learn that, despite main stream media's failure to report on it, that Netanyahu & fiends planned to take over the West Bank as well. This, of course, is because they watch pod casts, or see accurate reports elsewhere on this pesky internet.

Few things could have forced more citizens at the grass roots level to question our nation's unquestioning support of Netanyahu and Israel more than, say, a sneak attack on Iran for the second time during negotiations. And I should add that those savage Iranians wanted to stock up on defensive weapons, just in case some civilized nations were to engage in an unprovoked attack against them. And now that the president is caught in the quicksand with no face-saving way out, he and his misadministration are attacking pod casts. Check out the threat of a law suit by Eric, because Meidas Touch reports accurately which way the wind blows. And we can't have that.

I think that a growing number of grass roots Democrats recognize that we have to crush the maga party in November. That holds the potential for a Congress that at least tries to stop the madness in the Middle East. And that includes stopping the murder of citizens of the West Bank, and the outright theft of their homes and property. If we fail to do so, the West Bank will be subject to more of the insane violence we are seeing in the region. Maybe it's just me, but I think we need to consider electing candidates who refuse to accept blood money/thirty pieces of silver from pro-Netanyahu sources.

AloeVera

(4,353 posts)
52. Great post. I almost missed these gems.
Sun May 3, 2026, 03:49 PM
7 hrs ago

"pre-corpse of necroconservative Dick Cheney"

"Netanyahu and fiends"



As for your thoughts, no it's not just you. This is what happened. Some of us saw the unfolding catastrophe in real-time while others are now catching up. We can only hope it results in positive change.

Eko

(10,042 posts)
69. Great post. I find it crazy that a Presidential Election that we just had 2 years ago swept it under the rug.
Sun May 3, 2026, 06:43 PM
4 hrs ago

And that people continue to blame the ones who pointed out this horrid affront to humanity for losing the election.

magicarpet

(19,177 posts)
67. .... and insidiously prevalent. Look at what the USSC just recent did with their racist ruling on the Voting Rights Act.
Sun May 3, 2026, 05:56 PM
5 hrs ago

With the wave of their Fascist magic wand,... poof - states can now redraw, breakup, and dilute Black voting district on a national basis. The red state voting districts will now take a pounding, coutesy of the USSC and Chief Justice Roberts.The larger number of Blacks in the US House will soon rapidly diminish because their districts will be gerrymandered out of existence by redrawing the voting district maps. So the voting power of Black citizens are once again severely negated.

OMGWTF

(5,196 posts)
73. Yes. I have been reprimanded here and elsewhere for saying that Nuttyahoo is acting like Mustache Man.
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:13 PM
3 hrs ago

Prove me wrong.

chicago guy

(52 posts)
75. Right to defend. Has limits
Sun May 3, 2026, 08:43 PM
2 hrs ago

I have no objection to Israel defend itself. I do have an issue with killing anyone because sometime in the future they may decide to harm you! Truly this only promotes further violence and install s hate. You killed my mother, father, brother, sister, cousin now I am going to seek revenge. Just look to trump he is out to revenge any one he thinks did him a bad. Israel is doing that now. WTF

pat_k

(13,749 posts)
76. Millions care. Citizen lobbyists have an uphill battle, but they've been working for decades.
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:12 PM
2 hrs ago

And inroads are being made. Perhaps the wins seem small, but even small victories are worthy of celebration.

In the U.S.

AJP Action
https://ajpaction.org/
Unapologetically organizes, mobilizes, advocates, and lobbies to advance Palestinian freedom, dignity, and self‑determination by working to end U.S. support for Israeli settler colonialism, apartheid, and military occupation.

JVP Action: Jewish Voice for Peace
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Jewish Voice for Peace is the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organization in the world. We’re organizing a grassroots, multiracial, cross-class, intergenerational movement of U.S. Jews into solidarity with the Palestinian freedom struggle, guided by a vision of justice, equality, and dignity for all people.

US Campaign for Palestinian Rights
https://uscpr.org/
As part of a global movement for collective liberation, we work to end U.S. complicity in Israel's massive violence against the Palestinian people. We will keep fighting until we end all U.S. military funding to Israel and Palestine is free.

IfNotNow
https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/
We are a movement of U.S. Jews organizing our community to end U.S. support for Israel's apartheid system and demand equality, justice, and a thriving future.

No More Weapons for Israel's War (Coalition)
https://demandprogress.org/57-groups-to-senate-no-more-weapons-for-israels-war
A coalition of 57 progressive, faith-based, and humanitarian organizations launched in November 2024 to lobby the U.S. Senate to support Joint Resolutions of Disapproval (JRDs) aimed at blocking arms sales to Israel

American Friends Service Committee
https://afsc.org/topics/gaza-israel
Bringing together people of all faiths and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe.

And of course other humanitarian and human rights groups like Amnesty Internation, Human Rights Watch, and Oxfam

And a hell of a lot of Israelis care.

B'Tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide

Physicians for Human Rights–Israel
https://www.phr.org.il/

Breaking the Silence
https://www.breakingthesilence.org
An organization of veteran combatants that collects and publishes testimonies from Israeli soldiers regarding unethical behavior and potential war crimes committed during military operations.

Yesh Din - Volunteers for human rights
https://www.yesh-din.org/
Established in 2005 and has been working to protect the human rights of Palestinians in the West Bank who are subject to the Israeli military occupation.

Gisha (literally: access. AKA Legal Center for Freedom of Movement)
https://gisha.org/en/
Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents. Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law.

HaMoked (literally: the center. AKA Center for the Defence of the Individual)
https://hamoked.org/
Protecting the basic rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation

The Hind Rajab Foundation
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/
Demanding Accountability, Seeking Justice
The Hind Rajab Foundation is devoted to breaking the cycle of Israeli impunity and achieving justice for all the victims of the Gaza genocide.

Standing Together
https://www.standing-together.org/en/about-en
We envision a society that serves all of us and treats every person with dignity. A society that chooses peace, justice, and independence for Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs. A society in which we all enjoy real security, adequate housing, quality education, good healthcare, a liveable climate, a decent salary, and the ability to age with dignity.
Such a society is possible – we’re already building it.

cliffside

(1,769 posts)
78. I care, in addition Israel has pushed further into Gaza controlling almost 2/3 of Gaza ...
Sun May 3, 2026, 09:53 PM
1 hr ago

they released new maps a few days ago. There was a yellow line, now there is an orange line in Gaza as well. Let's not forget about Lebanon.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzHUezDlJ6/

"democracynow
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Israel's military has issued new maps of the Gaza Strip showing it controls significantly more territory beyond what it agreed to in the U.S.-brokered ceasefire last October.

Reuters reports the restricted area, marked on the maps with an orange line, ​makes up some 11% of Gaza's territory beyond a so-called Yellow Line. As a result, Israel now claims control over about two-thirds of Gaza."


Israel’s ‘orange line’ in Gaza tightens movement and aid access

5 minutes

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