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[hlthe2b]

1. Where is that? (PRO-CONFEDERACY march)

What to say... We have a lot of morons in this country and their racism is not hidden...

[multigraincracker]

2. Somewhere in the Bible Belt.

[SheltieLover]

3. No doubt

[Brainstormy]

6. WHERE in the Bible Belt????? and WHEN?

if you're posting this as though it were "news" along with a "I hate the South" remark, I demand you authenticate this photo.

[ZDU]

9. Source here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/19/confederate-flag-raises-renewed-ire-following-charleston-church-killings

[Brainstormy]

14. That picture, and event, is from 25 years ago!!!!

Pot stir much?

[generalbetrayus]

23. Do you actually believe things have changed for the better in the last 25 years?

How about all the recent gerrymandering to push out Black representation in state houses and the US Congress? When I grew up in the South, I used to hear, "The South shall rise again." I laughed at it at the time. Not so much anymore.

[PatSeg]

52. We lived in Mississippi for awhile in the 1960s

and I'll never forget the culture shock I experienced. I clearly remember "The South shall rise again", the blatant racism, and lots of "Rebel" signs on school lockers. I had never seen "Whites Only" restrooms and drinking fountains. It was like being in an alternate universe.

I really believed that most of that had died out over the years, but apparently it was alive and well under the surface. Trump brought them out into the open especially after the country elected a black man for president. With Obama, I thought we'd finally reached a major turning point, but unfortunately, it often brought out the worst in so many people.

[PatSeg]

53. We lived in Mississippi for awhile in the 1960s

and I'll never forget the culture shock I experienced. I clearly remember "The South shall rise again", the blatant racism, and lots of "Rebel" signs on school lockers. I had never seen "Whites Only" restrooms and drinking fountains. It was like being in an alternate universe.

I really believed that most of that had died out over the years, but apparently it was alive and well under the surface. Trump brought them out into the open especially after the country elected a black man for president. With Obama, I thought we'd finally reached a major turning point, but unfortunately, it often brought out the worst in so many people.

[Brainstormy]

62. I absolutely do.

I wouldn't purport to say that there isn't still racism, hatred and stupidity in the south, but I'd say this exists--still exists-- everywhere. Particularly in Washington these days. I would remind my DU friends, though, about where historically most of the protests, demonstrations, and PROGRESS against racism also originated. It wasn't in New York.

[mwmisses4289]

33. 11 years ago, actually.

Article was posted in 2015.

[Soul_of_Wit]

63. The photo is captioned with the year 2000 (n/m)

[mwmisses4289]

68. Ah, thank you, I stand corrected.

The version I'm seeing on my phone didn't date the photo, just the article.

[ZDU]

44. You seem angry. You okay?

I provided, as a courtesy, the source of the image. Fact-based. Evidence. Data point. And your response is hostile and accusatory. You okay, bro?

[Brainstormy]

65. yep, I'm a little angry.

thanks for the source of the image. But you must realize that posting a picture like that, from 25 years ago, makes a case for bigotry in itself.

[multigraincracker]

10. I from it.

[BattleRow]

25. Somewhere below the belt.

[Omnipresent]

59. Why do they always carry the losing battle flag of the confederacy?

This is the only flag for me!

[Polly Hennessey]

4. I agree, the South is the pits.

I have lived in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and Texas. My dad was in the Air Force. I have a sister living in South Carolina, by far the worst.

The South has a thin veneer of hospitality but what lurks beneath is not pretty.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. That was my experience, too, in North Carolina. KKK was IN THE PHONE BOOK.

Fake smiles on the outside, oily, acrid hate on the inside abound.

[PatSeg]

54. All that sugary-sweet hospitality

was such a turnoff to me. It was so fake and it masked a lot of ugly hate.

[Ilsa]

5. What confounds the stupidity is I'd that I bet that

most of the ancestors of these Confed-heads couldn't afford to own slaves. The ancestors got bamboozled into going to war to protect enslavement rights of greedy landowners. They died for the feudal masters over "states' rights".

[paleotn]

11. A hierarchical society even to this day

Different groups settled different colonies for varying reasons and that still echos today. The philosophical differences between New England and the southeast are traced back to Cavaliers and Roundheads. UVA’s mascot isn’t arbitrary. After centuries and waves of immigration, the echos are still there.

[Laffy Kat]

7. I'm originally from Tennessee, although I've traveled a lot both domestically and internationally.

I've also lived in Illinois and now in Colorado. I'd never move back to Tennessee, but racism is everywhere. The first time I saw an openly out Klansman, in full supremacist regalia--pointy hat and white sheet--was in Illinois. He was handing out flyers on a street corner.

[ITAL]

12. I'm from Texas originally

And have seen more Confederate flags in rural Pennsylvania while visiting my in-laws than I did growing up back there.


(I live in California now)

[generalbetrayus]

24. I've seen a huge Confederate flag flying in southeastern Utah, just over the Colorado border.

They are all over the place now that racism is allowed to be open and overt again.

[ZDU]

8. Source below:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/19/confederate-flag-raises-renewed-ire-following-charleston-church-killings

[Brainstormy]

15. picture is from 2000

this is far below the standards I expect from DU

[ZDU]

27. The Stars and Bars fly all over the South

It is a fact. From southern Illinois to Florida that flag flys to this very day. Consider yourself informed from a resident of Tennessee

[HappyH]

35. There are 2 folks within 5 miles of where I live in North Carolina

that fly the Stars and Bars in front of their houses. One of them flys an American flag on the same pole beneath the Stars and Bars. Nothing has changed since 2000, not much has changed since 1860.

[GiqueCee]

49. NO flag is supposed to be flown above the Stars and Stripes. Period...

... and especially not the Confederate Battle Flag that celebrates traitors, 'cause that's what secession was: Flat-out treason. Don't forget that it was THE SOUTH that fired the first shot when they bombarded Fort Sumpter.
It enrages me that these witless yahoos dare to call themselves "patriots" while they fly that damned flag that says they're anything but.

[paleotn]

39. Has it changed in 26 years?

I'm from TN. Born and raised. Haven't lived there in decades because it hasn't changed. Great people down there, sure, but in the corners I lived in, middle and east TN, western NC, coastal SC, they're outnumbered by bible thumpers and racists. Oh, the stories I can tell!

[ZDU]

42. Dominated by religionists and racists

That's my impression of Middle Tennessee... I'm here for work. And I will relocate as soon as I find a new position. I do not like the South. I have met some great people yet we are outnumbered and all of us are silenced or face consequences and/or threats (incl. job loss). That is the reality of the USA (insert toxic positivity and shout freedom shouts here)

[paleotn]

55. I only go back for funerals now...

And those are getting few and far between. Much of my family is now scattered to the wind anyway. And the things I do love, mostly cuisine, can be shipped or replicated here in the frozen north.

[ZDU]

60. I left my heart in San Francisco

... one day I hope to return to live out my golden years 🍀

[Crowman2009]

66. Hopefully once that A.I. bubble bursts, the real estate prices and rents will go down with it.

Right now it looks like an overpriced bland tech-bro hellscape.

[ZDU]

45. A source of the image was provided.

Facts. Data. Period.

[BeneteauBum]

13. Apology accepted

So many people can’t deviate from their ingrained version of the truth. They’ve grown up in this bigoted culture and can’t perceive anything else.

[Brainstormy]

16. WHO offered an apology?

I didn't see who offered one.

[generalbetrayus]

20. I did, in the original post. Mellow out, dude!

[Keepthesoulalive]

37. You seem to have a problem.

I don’t see too many folks up north attempting to abolish a constitutional amendment so certain people lose their citizenship. The klan is now in many southern state houses.

[Joinfortmill]

47. Stop, please, or take it off line.

[barbtries]

17. sure. I'm a lefty from CA living in NC.

i have a complicated relationship with this hellhole, where I was able to work myself and my son out of poverty, get a whole new career, and even buy a home, which was never going to happen in CA.

My thought is try not to hate the whole South because republicans have a vise like grip on it. I think that's called a broad brush. Consider that there are millions of Black people who live here. Millions of Democrats. NC is purple, but you'd never know it because of the fucking republicans who run it.

Don't hate the South. Hate republicans. i sure as fuck know I do.

[DownriverDem]

18. Me too

We should have let them leave in the 1860s.

[AverageOldGuy]

19. In Virginia, we have the Virginia Flaggers

Google "Virginia Flaggers" They have a Facebook page, a store, and a blog.

They identify themselves as:

Citizens of the Commonwealth who stand AGAINST those who would desecrate our Confederate Monuments and memorials, and FOR our Confederate Veterans.

There's a huge Confederate flag on a tall flagpole alongside I-95 between DC and Richmond -- that's theirs. I think they have a couple of others around the state.

[paleotn]

48. They're lost cause mythologists.

We should ask them to reconcile Alexander Stephen's cornerstone speech with their supposed love of heritage and see if racism reveals its ugly head.

My own family history is complicated. It was complicated for many in TN. Some served in blue, some in gray. Some by choice, most not. Several in my maternal family tree were staunchly anti-secession and had to go live temporarily with family in KY for personal safety. 2 multi-great uncles in that line were so pissed about it they joined the Union Army, fought in the Chattanooga and Atlanta campaigns, followed Sherman on the March to the Sea and the Carolina campaign to Bentonville. Neither had qualms making Georgia and South Carolina howl. For them it was personal.

And it was always and forever will be about whether one human can own another.

[Torchlight]

21. I hate to say it's pretty common to see 'em in north central TX

I figure I'll see one or two flags, decals or bumper-stickers holding that image in honor every morning going to work on I-20 outside of Dallas.

[PCB66]

22. I was born in "the South" in 1947

Growing up my parents (Dixiecrats) told me I should hate Yankees.

I grew out of that mindset.

Maybe Yankees should out grow their hate of Southerners.

[hadEnuf]

29. For the most part Yankees have not hated the South for a very long time.

But the South never stopped hating on them and look where patience has gotten the Yankees now.

[PCB66]

31. I was responding

to the first post that literally said they hated the South

[Melon]

36. The south is Yankees.

There are more New Yorkers in a square mile of Florida than Floridians. My neighbors in Texas are 15% California’s and at least half if not more from all over. I just got back from South Carolina. One guy out of 8 was from there.

If Yankees hated the south they wouldn’t be populating it.

[CaptainTruth]

26. I hate racists, wherever they are.

[surfered]

30. Exactly. 36-46% of the vote in southern states went to Harris. She got 49% in Georgia.

[Keepthesoulalive]

41. Those were black folks

Maybe we should say many white southerners. There are white racists in the north but they don’t set policy. As long as people deflect and pretend America does not have a racism problem nothing will change . We will continue to circle the drain and the world will move on without us. Trump defines the movement, everything he says and does shows the world the true American culture.

[TheProle]

51. I was black when I voted for Kamala?

[Keepthesoulalive]

56. The majority of Kamala's votes in Georgia came from black folks

The only reason kemp won’t join his southern brothers is because you do not want to energize that black voting bloc. Why must we avoid white fragility with soothing words such as not all. If my memory serves me well I think the electoral votes from Georgia went to Trump. Blacks voted for the lady. The majority of white people voted for the racist raping pedophile. It is what it is.

[TheProle]

61. Harris had 4.8 million votes in Texas

there are 4.3 million Black men, women and children in the state. So even if every Black person, from infants to hospice voted for Harris, there would still be a half million votes from whitey.

You reductionist math ain't mathing.

[Keepthesoulalive]

72. Some white and Hispanic folks with a brain voted for her

But in the south brains are in short supply so the majority of white people voted for him. We are speaking about Georgia how did we get to Texas. 64% of white males voted for him. The real tell is how many black people voted for their racist senators and state legislators. That stink is not going to come off easily. Tommy Tuberville and Desantis these cretins are on the electorate if that shoe fits wear it comfortably.

[MadMike47]

28. Lincoln had it wrong.

He should have said, "With malice toward all and charity for none."

[Melon]

34. I've been in the deepest south for decades.

Texas now.
Maybe 25 years ago it was a bit sketchy with the southern flag. I see

one or something similar maybe every few years now. Mostly a hat or shirt. I’ve lived in the deepest southern states and now Texas.
I’ve heard worse up north over the last decade but even that is few and far between. The last star and bars flying I saw in north Kansas. That’s was maybe 8 years ago.
There was a “ klan” rally in GA in my town…..maybe 6 inbreds showed up and a few skinheads. There were hundreds of protesters. The protesters were just drawing attention to a few idiots with backwards views.

I’ve heard worse in Maine than Kentucky. You’d be surprised at how homogenized the country has become. Things not acceptable in the north are generally not acceptable here either. But neighbors are all races.

[GusBob]

38. Seen on facebook from Marquette Michigan

Which is about as far north in this country as one can get

A gallows stage complete with a noose, made as a roadside display advertisement for a MAGA construction company

No image from me

[Keepthesoulalive]

58. But is it the law

And by that I mean. Is it accepted by you legislators. You will always have racists but in many areas in the south it is encouraged and culturally accepted.

[GusBob]

64. Is what the law? have you ever been to the UP?

The sheriff says the display isnt against the law

I've lived in the South and I've lived in the UP both

Northern rural rednecks are far, far worse than Southern

[Keepthesoulalive]

70. I'm speaking about your state legislature

In the south they are attempting and successfully reinstating legislature that disenfranchises black people. I don’t see Michigan Going white robe. There are racist pockets all over the USA but it is not the law.
People fled the south to get away from Jim Crow , guess what he’s back.

[Crowman2009]

69. Would be real shame if someone vandalized it.

[moniss]

40. Excellent point and

the same holds true for indigenous people. They tell them to "get over" what was done to them but the government and the fascist crooks in business keep on trying to steal from them and negate their legal rights.

[jonstl08]

43. My neighbor

My former neighbor (passed away in 2020) was racist to the core. Flew the confederate flag every MLK day. Also very republican but our district was represented by a Black republican. The rep was canvassing in our neighborhood. Stopped to talk to me and I had a very good talk with him about what I thought was wrong with his policies. Very respectful. Then the police showed up. My neighbor comes running up to my house saying to the cops that is the man who does not belong in our neighborhood. Talking about the State Rep. Rep was dumbfounded they called the police on him. Told him this is the party you represent and not the first time he has called the police on anybody in the neighborhood that is not white.

[Joinfortmill]

46. Northern White girl soon moving back South to NC

near my son, who lives close to Charlotte. It's a very diverse area, but also very 'conservative'.

[Keepthesoulalive]

50. People here are looking for an out.

Trump is the face of the south and Americas racism. His Supreme Court gutted southern black participation in democracy and most white folks don’t have a problem with that , they even voted for it.

[Soul_of_Wit]

57. You'd be better off hating bigotry

...and working to restore the Extreme Court to a body worthy of the US Constitution.

[Crowman2009]

67. I hate Hillsdale county Michigan.

A lot right-wing police BS originates from that god-awful place known as Hillsdale college. Their stench also has spread to Jackson county Michigan where I'm originally from.

[mnhtnbb]

71. There are bigots and racists everywhere.

I never thought I could live in the South. Born in Manhattan, grew up in NJ, lived in California for 23 years before spending 12 years in Missouri and Nebraska.
I've lived in the Triangle area of North Carolina for almost 26 years: first Chapel Hill, then downtown Raleigh, and now Durham. I now live in a community that is more cosmopolitan than anywhere else I've ever lived. One of my neighbors served in the Obama Administration.
Please don't think that racism and bigotry is only confined to the South.

[get the red out]

73. So do I

And I live in what is considered part of the south (though Kentucky winters are pretty damn cold). I have been very selective in who I have told in my life that I am do not believe in any religion, and simply can't make myself believe the Bible no matter how hard I tried as a kid.

[Ferrets are Cool]

74. Evidently Indiana isn't any better.

There are racists and bigots everywhere.

[BidenRocks]

75. Look at all those ugly people!

They all feel the need to be superior to someone. Too bad for them.
They all look like they lived near a "PoFolks" restaurant.
(I went to one near Baker's folly in NC)
Great food, But not too healthy.
I see they are only in Florida now.