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New York Times confirms Israel using dogs to rape. (Original Post) red dog 1 Tuesday OP
Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel. SalamanderSleeps Tuesday #1
Nope GCG Tuesday #7
No words. Just.... incredulous. B.See Tuesday #92
Those fucking people are sub human. Autumn Tuesday #2
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #32
I've long thought... BurnDoubt Tuesday #59
I found this on the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor but from 2024 Beringia Tuesday #3
Thanks for that link. red dog 1 Tuesday #10
There are no fucking words n/t leftstreet Tuesday #4
Our tax dollars hard at work. Ferrets are Cool Tuesday #5
They are transforming into what they hate Johnny2X2X Tuesday #6
The NYT didn't confirm anything. RandySF Tuesday #8
I would like to see verification as well Mossfern Tuesday #11
The dog part sounds odd. RandySF Tuesday #12
Seems very odd to me too Mossfern Tuesday #16
Aren't dogs considered unclean by Muslims? Attilatheblond Tuesday #51
Not that uncommon- womanofthehills Yesterday #111
Why would you do that? leftstreet Tuesday #13
Why? Mossfern Tuesday #20
I figured that's why you would do this, if true. electric_blue68 Tuesday #23
Were you protesting the rape of prisoners? angrychair Tuesday #74
There's an earlier article with pictures at post # 3 questionseverything Tuesday #27
I'm not convinced, either. cab67 Tuesday #73
Post # 74 has an article with soldiers admitting it and film questionseverything Tuesday #76
Here's the link to the full Substack article TheRickles Tuesday #38
Very damning for Owen Jones who is supposed to be a journalist. lapucelle Friday #110
So how do you make decisions about whether any given allegation is true, if you weren't there to witness it first hand? TheRickles 22 hrs ago #112
The NYT did not "confirm" the allegation. lapucelle 18 hrs ago #114
If testimony by victims is just an "allegation", then how can any event be confirmed? TheRickles 15 hrs ago #115
Sorry, that doesn't work on me. "Testimony" is a statement under oath. lapucelle 10 hrs ago #116
About blood libel from the NYT Kristof article PufPuf23 Tuesday #75
The author uses his name, it's far from his first article on this questionseverything Tuesday #40
I feel really bad heckles65 Tuesday #9
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #14
So it's the Jews? sarisataka Tuesday #21
This is the kind of shit we need to avoid. RandySF Tuesday #22
I've said for years: Israel allows anti-Semitism to be wrapped in policy and politics rather than straight bigotry. AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #29
I mean the above rhetoric. RandySF Tuesday #37
I'm not. I'm Jewish and history has shown the following: AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #42
I think they meant that the existence of Israel lets people be antisemitic EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #45
Exactly what I meant. AZLD4Candidate Wednesday #94
Please read up on what "chosen" means in that context. Mossfern Tuesday #25
I was going to.post Tikkun Olam,but you beat me to it. BattleRow Tuesday #47
Yes, and.., stillspkg Tuesday #69
So Israel all us Jews. Nice! AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #28
I can't find any evidence that the NYT has confirmed this. Coventina Tuesday #15
By which they mean that one of their most esteemed journalists, Nicholas Kristof, has written in detail about this story TheRickles Tuesday #43
An Op-Ed opinion column does not equal a NYT confirmation of the truth of the reports. n/t Coventina Tuesday #61
Very true. But it lends a bit more heft to the notion that the story is valid, all things considered. TheRickles Tuesday #65
A rather bold headline for an opinion piece that lacks evidence sarisataka Tuesday #17
If it's Jews, it's news. AZLD4Candidate Tuesday #30
Turns out there was an asterisk next to the phrase "Never Again*" with regards to Israel. Crowman2009 Tuesday #18
Bibi complains they are losing the social media war. YA THINK?! cer7711 Tuesday #19
It doesn't take much evidence to whip up anti-Jew hatred, does it? RandySF Tuesday #24
I'm sorry, what are you talking about? dem4decades Tuesday #31
None whatsoever. DavidDvorkin Tuesday #36
Very little is needed to bring out the Judenhass sarisataka Tuesday #48
Bull. Shit. DavidDvorkin Tuesday #26
There may be doubt to cast on this article. 3_Limes Tuesday #33
Well that settles that! quinteroon Tuesday #60
Hello, welcome to DU sarisataka Tuesday #64
Well, howdy! quinteroon Tuesday #67
Just a personal prediction sarisataka Tuesday #71
One green pepper, mushroom and onion delivered sarisataka Thursday #104
Is it true Comet Pizza... Brother Buzz Tuesday #78
Welcome to DU, quinteroon! calimary Thursday #103
And once again, victim and eyewitness testimonies are considered suspect Rob H. Tuesday #34
Do you recall the many that denied the sexual assaults of October 7? sarisataka Tuesday #39
There was video on Oct. 7. RandySF Tuesday #46
There was, yet within the last month sarisataka Tuesday #49
Didn't stop people from denying it or Piker from saying it doesn't matter EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #53
That's because a few of the initial storys were debunked (see link), so many believed all that followed was BS krawhitham Tuesday #52
It only took two debunked accounts to believe the Jews were lying? RandySF Tuesday #57
Classic whataboutism. Miss me with that bullshit Rob H. Tuesday #63
Got it, if one standard is good, two standards is better sarisataka Tuesday #70
I believe Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas Eko Tuesday #91
That is indeed possible however the reality is sarisataka Wednesday #93
All you have to do is scroll through this entire post and you will see many dismiss what the Palestinians said. Eko Wednesday #96
I agre that is true in this thread. sarisataka Wednesday #97
What threads? Eko Wednesday #98
Pretty much any thread sarisataka Wednesday #99
You made a claim but wont show any proof. Ok. Eko Wednesday #100
I'm not going to dig through the past threads sarisataka Thursday #102
I hope your dog lasts for many more years. Eko Thursday #106
Or Epstein victims... BattleRow Tuesday #85
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #35
Well they have been accused of perversion and subversion for well over two thousand years sarisataka Tuesday #62
"These people?" Mossfern Tuesday #80
The Israeli military people behind these alledged atrocities obviously 3_Limes Tuesday #83
It was there sarisataka Tuesday #86
"these people," oof WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #84
Wondering how other Islamic nations are going to respond to this. I have no problem with anything they decide to do. NoMoreRepugs Tuesday #41
Anything at all? DavidDvorkin Tuesday #50
IMHO, the chances that this happened as described are pretty good. 3_Limes Tuesday #55
Even if it's absolutely true, still wouldn't justify an unlimited response EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #72
Anything sarisataka Tuesday #54
They'll hopefully ask for proof Melon Thursday #105
IIRC orangecrush Tuesday #44
Israel's own soldiers have filmed it and shared the images questionseverything Tuesday #66
WTAF!!!!!!! yellow dahlia Tuesday #56
I would view this report with caution. There are conflicting reports. Use discretion when sharing on other sites. Joinfortmill Tuesday #58
Im going to need more details. BannonsLiver Tuesday #68
I've been out of touch for a few days from reading DU. 1WorldHope Tuesday #77
About "Israel," not "Jews"... regnaD kciN Tuesday #79
Sometimes, to some people they are the same thing. sarisataka Tuesday #81
I thought I saw the word, "Jew", specifically. 1WorldHope Tuesday #90
Wow, some people really showing who they are 'round here Prairie Gates Tuesday #82
Here is the New York Times opinion peice.... reACTIONary Tuesday #87
So many responses of I will wait for confirmation or some such reminds me of the movie Jaws Beringia Tuesday #88
Omg I feel sick LearnedHand Tuesday #89
Me too, it is so depressing. Celerity Wednesday #95
That's beyond disgusting and insane. Fucking barbaric practices. Dave Bowman Thursday #101
His wording isn't quite accurate, but the abuse sounds like it has been detailed in multiple detainee interviews fujiyamasan Thursday #107
And now Israel is threatening to sue the NYT for defamation. TheRickles Thursday #108
Seymour Hersh published today about Israel and Palestine Beringia Friday #109
All of this repetitious religious harangue... BH liberal 21 hrs ago #113

GCG

(115 posts)
7. Nope
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:58 PM
Tuesday

This belongs to everyone who supports Netanyahu and the Israeli government!!!

This includes members of the US Congress and any American organization and individuals who continue to support Israel and their actions!!!!

THEY ARE ALL COMPLICIT!!!!

Response to Autumn (Reply #2)

BurnDoubt

(1,905 posts)
59. I've long thought...
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:32 PM
Tuesday

They learned WAY TOO MUCH from the NAZIS.
I believe they should exist in harmony with everyone.
I’ve often wondered how it would go down in MAGA-land if our Native Americans went on a pogrom to get their Lands back. They would certainly go full-tilt Palestinian on their asses, just like their ancestors.
Deplorable.

Beringia

(5,619 posts)
3. I found this on the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor but from 2024
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:47 PM
Tuesday
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

27 Jun 2024 Israel-Palestinian Territory

Palestinian Territory – The Israeli military is using police dogs to systematically attack Palestinian civilians during military operations in the Gaza Strip. The dogs are also used to intimidate, beat, and sexually assault prisoners and detainees in Israeli detention facilities.

Numerous incidents of Israeli forces using large police dogs during military operations in the Strip have been recorded by the Euro-Med Monitor field team, particularly during raids of homes, shelters, and medical facilities.

Johnny2X2X

(24,429 posts)
6. They are transforming into what they hate
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:57 PM
Tuesday

It’s not representative of the religion or of the Israeli population, but the IDF is becoming like the Nazis. I cannot believe this is happening.

They apparently completely misinterpreted “Never Again.”

RandySF

(86,135 posts)
8. The NYT didn't confirm anything.
Tue May 12, 2026, 12:58 PM
Tuesday

I’m not saying it didn’t happen but there was no independent verification by the reporter.

Mossfern

(4,769 posts)
11. I would like to see verification as well
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:10 PM
Tuesday

This is outrageous behavior - beyond outrageous - but before I go storming into my synagogue with this article I'd prefer to know it for a fact. Yes, it could be the modern day equivalent of blood libel. People believed that Jews used the blood of Christian babies in order to make their Passover matzohs - there were many "witnesses" to this too.

Mossfern

(4,769 posts)
16. Seems very odd to me too
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:17 PM
Tuesday

Most of the article is NOT by the NY Times - Only a couple of sentences that do not include the graphic descriptions. I certainly do not deny any abuse considering that there may be many far right wing and settlers who are in the IDF.

Any abuse is a shanda.

Attilatheblond

(9,214 posts)
51. Aren't dogs considered unclean by Muslims?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

To me, that part sounds pretty likely. A force that is fine with shelling hospitals, aid distribution centers, and evacuation routes they ordered people to leave by is probably capable of any abuse and horror.

womanofthehills

(11,030 posts)
111. Not that uncommon-
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:38 AM
Yesterday

A guy in my small town of under 900 residents

was just arrested for having sex with his dog and photographing the act on his phone.

Seeing the horrific images online of prisoners blindfolded, handcuffed in horrible positions- in their underwear sometimes in the snow - the IDF seems to love to torture so why would anyone think rape is a line they would not cross.

First thing Israeli soldiers do is blindfold men and strip men to their underwear - how sick is that.


What also is very disturbing —-Over on X , video after video of IDF solders dragging little kids down the streets for throwing stones. These are elementary school age kids. I think I’ve seen over 50 of these videos on X this month.
The last one was a kid about two and as the IDF soldier is taking the toddler, the father is hanging on to the child trying to get the soldier to release him. Lots of videos of women hanging onto sons as soldiers try to take kids. What’s with that and where do they take the kids?

leftstreet

(41,244 posts)
13. Why would you do that?
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:16 PM
Tuesday
...but before I go storming into my synagogue


No one in your synagogue is doing this

If you want to go somewhere and demand accountability, try Israel's Parliament, Netanyahu's office, Trump's oval office, The US Congress...

Mossfern

(4,769 posts)
20. Why?
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:22 PM
Tuesday

To let them know (if indeed this is true) and to protest to Israel as a strong group. Leaders of the Jewish community in the US need to condemn behavior like this loudly. Yes, it's Israel that's responsible for actions of the IDF, but experience has taught me that what Israel does (especially anything negative) is often blamed on American Jews and used as a tool by antisemitic groups.

angrychair

(12,496 posts)
74. Were you protesting the rape of prisoners?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:01 PM
Tuesday

I mean IDF soldiers have freely admitted to raping Palestinian prisoners. They literally filmed themselves doing it with uncovered faces. Even bragged about it.

Just plain humans raping humans. Isn't that enough to be upset about and storm your synagogue demanding justice?

Reference:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-prison-abuse-b11e5f0639b7fe51c5ea101f4b320f56

questionseverything

(11,955 posts)
27. There's an earlier article with pictures at post # 3
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:44 PM
Tuesday

That you won’t believe hundreds of victims and witnesses is past discouraging

cab67

(3,842 posts)
73. I'm not convinced, either.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:57 PM
Tuesday

Not saying it's untrue, but these claims are extraordinary. The evidence, to me at least, is not.

TheRickles

(3,528 posts)
38. Here's the link to the full Substack article
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:04 PM
Tuesday
https://www.owenjones.news/p/new-york-times-confirms-israel-using

Lots of sources and quotes and precedents are cited, and the blood libel comparison is also addressed. Very damning....

lapucelle

(21,127 posts)
110. Very damning for Owen Jones who is supposed to be a journalist.
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:58 PM
Friday

The NYT did not "confirm that Israel uses dogs for rape". The NYT published an opinion piece in which the allegation was made.

In other words, an opinion columnist reported that some groups and/or individuals told him that this has happened. It's an allegation, and a dubious one, at best.

Jones should know better than to write that headline.

TheRickles

(3,528 posts)
112. So how do you make decisions about whether any given allegation is true, if you weren't there to witness it first hand?
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:11 AM
22 hrs ago

For me, many of the sources quoted by Jones, plus Jones himself, have built up enough credibility in my eyes over the years that I am inclined to believe them unless I see clear proof otherwise. And if the IDF says one thing, I am inclined to believe the opposite unless I see clear proof otherwise. This is my particular way of navigating through the morass of info that's out there, and we each have our own criteria for making assessments. So it goes.

lapucelle

(21,127 posts)
114. The NYT did not "confirm" the allegation.
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:57 AM
18 hrs ago

It published an “investigative opinion piece” reporting that the allegation was made.

The fact that Jones conflates reporting an allegation with confirming an allegation in his agenda driven headline is quite enough for readers to infer that he is neither a serious journalist nor a reliable narrator.

TheRickles

(3,528 posts)
115. If testimony by victims is just an "allegation", then how can any event be confirmed?
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:59 PM
15 hrs ago

A photographic image can be dismissed as "Photoshopped", a video clip can be dismissed as "AI", etc.

Here's some more direct testimony, from an earlier piece by Jones: https://www.owenjones.news/p/israel-is-raping-palestinians-with|

lapucelle

(21,127 posts)
116. Sorry, that doesn't work on me. "Testimony" is a statement under oath.
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:32 PM
10 hrs ago

When were statements under oath given, where were they given, and exactly who gave them?

The screed you linked to does not contain testimony. It contains allegations framed by an agenda-driven former journalist.

Someone should buy Jones a dictionary.



PufPuf23

(9,937 posts)
75. About blood libel from the NYT Kristof article
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:07 PM
Tuesday

>>“Blood libel” has a specific historical meaning: the medieval antisemitic myth that Jewish people murdered Christian children for use in religious rituals. There is no evidence that this ever happened. It was a murderous fiction used to justify persecution.

But nobody disputes that Israel, a heavily militarised state, deploys violence on a mass scale, or that it has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza alone. Even Israel’s defenders do not deny that. To be absolutely clear: medieval Jews were not murdering children in ritual sacrifice. Israel, a state armed with one of the world’s most advanced militaries, has objectively killed vast numbers of people.

Yet “blood libel” is now routinely deployed to smear anyone who speaks out about Israel’s crimes as antisemitic. Netanyahu has even used the term against political opponents inside Israel itself - including figures who fully supported the genocidal onslaught against Gaza.

questionseverything

(11,955 posts)
40. The author uses his name, it's far from his first article on this
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

Why hasn’t the Israel government sued?

Heck, Israel soldiers are so disgusted, that they are whistleblowers about this devastating rape shit that is part of sop

heckles65

(633 posts)
9. I feel really bad
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:01 PM
Tuesday

for the dogs, who are probably brutalized to do this work and are destroyed when they age out.

Comfort, affection, security, they probably never feel once they are separated from their mothers.

Response to red dog 1 (Original post)

AZLD4Candidate

(6,956 posts)
29. I've said for years: Israel allows anti-Semitism to be wrapped in policy and politics rather than straight bigotry.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:46 PM
Tuesday

AZLD4Candidate

(6,956 posts)
42. I'm not. I'm Jewish and history has shown the following:
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:08 PM
Tuesday

1: If we are subjected to bigotry, lies, mistreatment, or brutalization, we deserve it for some reason.
2: If we fight back, we're wrong and are the aggressor.

Now with Israel, we can use that in nice, political rhetoric instead of saying "the Jews deserve it" or "they Jews are trying to (whatever the conspiracy theory is)."

Pretty soon, I believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion will become mainstream and "proven" true because of the Rothschilds, Soros, or some other good Jewish whipping boy.

EdmondDantes_

(2,053 posts)
45. I think they meant that the existence of Israel lets people be antisemitic
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

But nominally tie it to criticizing Israel rather than being openly antisemitic as cover.

Mossfern

(4,769 posts)
25. Please read up on what "chosen" means in that context.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:38 PM
Tuesday

I will give you a link or two to get you started. "Chosen" does not mean 'better than.'

Here's a excerpt from one article that explains it.

My peers and their parents assumed that the term “Chosen People” meant that Jews believe they are superior, a better race and are God’s favorite. It is not only misunderstood by gentiles, but very often Jews themselves have no inkling of what it means to be chosen by Hashem. With the exception of the Kuzari, almost all Rishonim (medieval scholars) make it very clear that every human being, Jew and gentile alike, is created in the Divine image. The term tzelem Elokim is ascribed to all of humanity—not just Jews. Every human being is created in God’s image (i.e., we were all created with an abstract intellect that enables us to perceive the knowledge of God through the prisms of physics and metaphysics). No human being is inherently better than any other human being. If that is the case, then what does it mean that Jews are the Am Hanivchar, the Chosen Nation?

Am Hanivchar means that we were chosen to engage in a mission. We were chosen by God, and in turn, we chose to partner with God in the mission of the transformation and perfection of humanity. All human beings have an obligation to lead a life of ethical monotheism, which is encapsulated in the covenant that God made with humanity. We refer to that covenant as the Seven Mitzvot Bnei Noach. The Jewish people, by adopting the covenant of the Torah and its 613 mitzvot, not only adopted a change in their lifestyle, but adopted a system and society of perfected ethical monotheism. The Jewish nation does not have its own perfection as the end goal and purpose of the covenant. That covenant demands that we are responsible for the destiny of all of humanity. On the one hand, this is an awesome responsibility, and on the other, it is the greatest opportunity that a human being can have, to be able to work and partner with his Creator.
https://jewishaction.com/from-the-desk-of-rabbi-steven-weil/the-chosen-people/

If you're really interested you can google it - there are several articles regarding this.

I don't come from a particularly religious upbringing, but the concept of Tikkun Olam was instilled in me from a very early age.
It's more of a responsibility than an honor.

BattleRow

(2,702 posts)
47. I was going to.post Tikkun Olam,but you beat me to it.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:12 PM
Tuesday

Theres a wonderful movie,Bee Season,with Juliet Binoche and Richard Gere that touches on this theme,btw

stillspkg

(207 posts)
69. Yes, and..,
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:43 PM
Tuesday

It isn't Jews who are the perpetrators, it's the government of Israel which has, since its inception, refused to form a constitution. A constitution would mean representative government. The government will not let the Palestinians be represented. Therefore, it is s rogue nation that abuses under a cloak of being Jewish when it is not. The Israeli "government does not even represent the Jewish people, much as Trump does not represent the people of the USA.

Coventina

(29,936 posts)
15. I can't find any evidence that the NYT has confirmed this.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:17 PM
Tuesday

I'm not saying it isn't happening, but the thread title is problematic.

TheRickles

(3,528 posts)
43. By which they mean that one of their most esteemed journalists, Nicholas Kristof, has written in detail about this story
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

(it's in the linked Substack article by Owen Jones)

Coventina

(29,936 posts)
61. An Op-Ed opinion column does not equal a NYT confirmation of the truth of the reports. n/t
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

TheRickles

(3,528 posts)
65. Very true. But it lends a bit more heft to the notion that the story is valid, all things considered.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:39 PM
Tuesday

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
17. A rather bold headline for an opinion piece that lacks evidence
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:20 PM
Tuesday

When I see a 'babies thrown from incubators' headline I pull out my 100 lb bag of salt.

But it is Israel so traditionally the claim is enough proof, no evidence required. (We still have those here who deny there was any sexual assault on Oct.7 because the only evidence is the claims of the women and eyewitnesses {conveniently forgetting Hamas had filmed some of the assaults})

But lest I be accused of things I haven't said:

I unequivocally condemn all sexual violence regardless of perpetrator or victim. All such criminals should face full justice.

Crowman2009

(3,593 posts)
18. Turns out there was an asterisk next to the phrase "Never Again*" with regards to Israel.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM
Tuesday

Which means
*We can follow the Nazi genocide playbook with regards to the Palestinians

cer7711

(618 posts)
19. Bibi complains they are losing the social media war. YA THINK?!
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM
Tuesday

How many documented atrocities must there be before we disinvest from Israel?
Murdering journalists. American citizens, medics, raping, torturing divers people including a certain young woman of international staure.
Enough is enough.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
48. Very little is needed to bring out the Judenhass
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:16 PM
Tuesday

We have already hit social, racial, cultural and ideological antisemitism, It isn't even hidden behind a veil of Israel but directly identifying "those people" as Untermensch

3_Limes

(580 posts)
33. There may be doubt to cast on this article.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:53 PM
Tuesday

But given the pattern of behavior we've seen from Israel in the last year, I find this completely believable. It fits right in.

 

quinteroon

(24 posts)
67. Well, howdy!
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday
I love green pepper, mushrooms, and onions. Why do you ask?

(But not Comet Pizza... )

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
71. Just a personal prediction
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:46 PM
Tuesday

I am a sausage mushroom and onion fan- two out of three ain't bad.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
104. One green pepper, mushroom and onion delivered
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:16 AM
Thursday

I thought it would have been thirty minutes or less

Rob H.

(5,913 posts)
34. And once again, victim and eyewitness testimonies are considered suspect
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:54 PM
Tuesday

or dismissed entirely by Israel's defenders. Looks like "Believe the victims" doesn't apply when those victims are Palestinian.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
39. Do you recall the many that denied the sexual assaults of October 7?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

Victim and eyewitness testimony was considered suspect and met with calls of "where is the evidence".
Are those people Hamas defenders?

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
49. There was, yet within the last month
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:18 PM
Tuesday

I have seen a post claiming "no proof" of sexual assault by Hamas. The testimony of the captives who detailed their repeated assaults at the hands of their captors is also routinely ignored.

EdmondDantes_

(2,053 posts)
53. Didn't stop people from denying it or Piker from saying it doesn't matter
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

I don't know if the current claims are true. On one hand believe victims and much of Israel's population has said in polling they're okay with killing all Palestinians, on the other hand I have no idea how you'd train a dog to do this and I'd like to believe that it wouldn't be a government policy, but alas history shows us all sorts of people do horrible things.

Rob H.

(5,913 posts)
63. Classic whataboutism. Miss me with that bullshit
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:36 PM
Tuesday

There have been people here defending even Israel's most egregious acts for over two years now, including trying to downplay or outright debunk (unsuccessfully) stories of children being murdered by IDF snipers despite photographic evidence and eyewitness accounts. They've outright ignored IDF soldiers on video killing children, people trying to surrender, and first responders.

The greatest threat to regional stability in the Middle East is Israel. We need to stop sending them money and declare an arms embargo immediately.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
70. Got it, if one standard is good, two standards is better
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:45 PM
Tuesday

I am not denying anything done by Israel in my post. I am just asking for acknowledgement that either
we are dealing with two levels of proof- Palestinians are believed at face value where Jews must provide evidence
or the Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas yet were not believed when they told their stories,

Eko

(10,099 posts)
91. I believe Israeli women were sexually assaulted by Hamas
Tue May 12, 2026, 10:07 PM
Tuesday

and Palestinians are being sexually assaulted by the Israeli military.
One could easily flip the argument you made to
Israeli's are believed at face value where Palestinians must provide evidence or the Palestinians were sexually assaulted by the Israeli military yet were not believed when they told their stories.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
93. That is indeed possible however the reality is
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:05 PM
Wednesday

many dismiss anything said by Israel out of hand while immediately accepting any claim made by Hamas. Not to say all Palestinians are Hamas but Hamas does have virtually complete control of what is reported from Gaza. Also not to deny Israel primarily controls the narrative on their side, but it is much easier for individual Israelis to be heard than individual Palestinians in Gaza.

Credit for acknowledging the sexual assaults on Israeli women; most cannot bring themselves to say that. I also believe there have been sexual assaults of Palestinians and as I said above, I condemn sexual violence no matter who does it and want to see the perpetrators brought to justice.

Eko

(10,099 posts)
96. All you have to do is scroll through this entire post and you will see many dismiss what the Palestinians said.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:03 PM
Wednesday

The reality is that on this very thread there are people who don't believe the Palestinians and instead believe what Israel is saying, that its not happening. I counted 15 posts saying they didn't believe it. Would that fit your definition of many? I have been accused of believing hamas over Israel on here multiple times when I stated the amount of people killed in Gaza, that was not me immediately accepting any claim made by hamas over Israel but was me doing the research to see that historically the death numbers put out by hamas were accurate and that even Israel admitted that they consider them accurate while Israel was reporting out to the media that the death count by hamas was inflated. I cant speak for anyone else but I don't trust Israel anymore than I do hamas. A government that will lie to your face when some easy research says otherwise is not to be trusted at all, especially when it comes to lying about how many people they have killed. Be honest, did you believe Israel when they said that the deaths in Gaza were inflated or did you do some research to find out the answer?

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
97. I agre that is true in this thread.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:23 PM
Wednesday

In most other threads the opposite is true.

I made no judgement on the death claims in Gaza. Ever source (including supposedly "neutral" ones) had reasons to maximize or minimize the numbers. My experience with urban combat tells me casualties among will be high even if attempts are made to limit them.

Eko

(10,099 posts)
98. What threads?
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:35 PM
Wednesday

"Ever(y) source (including supposedly "neutral" ones) had reasons to maximize or minimize the numbers."
What an odd blanket statement to make. What reason did the British Red Cross have to max or min the numbers?
https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/international/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territory

But I still want to know what treads you are talking about

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
99. Pretty much any thread
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:50 PM
Wednesday

that accuses Israel of anything improper. You counted the number who questioned this claim but how many accept it as fact without proof. If you really wanted to dig in, cross reference those who accept this but doubted the claims of Israeli victims of sexual assault.

As for the Red Cross/Red Crescent, I have to say my general statement may not be entirely accurate- they themselves are less likely to adjust numbers, but it must be taken into account where they are getting the numbers from. Hamas severely limited access of the Red Cross, including not allowing them access to the captives they held, so the numbers provided by the Red Cross will be based on those provided by Gaza authorities, i.e. Hamas.
Are they accurate- I don't know, maybe they are, maybe they are inflated, maybe they are underreported.

Whatever the number is, it is too high. As is the number of Israeli deaths on October 7. Ideally both should be none.

Eko

(10,099 posts)
100. You made a claim but wont show any proof. Ok.
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:58 PM
Wednesday

Its just what you think and feel.
Do you know that the Israeli government has said that the numbers from hamas are historically accurate?

Israel’s military has accepted the death toll compiled by health authorities in Gaza is broadly accurate, marking a U-turn after years of official attacks on the data.
For more than two years, Israeli officials and media had attacked the Palestinian figures as “Hamas propaganda” and dismissed them as “not accurate”.

The abrupt shift in stance raises broader questions about Israel’s defence of its campaign in Gaza. A UN commission, rights groups and scholars have accused Israel of committing genocide in the territory.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/30/israel-military-gaza-death-toll-broadly-accurate
Why should we trust anything the Israeli government says?

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
102. I'm not going to dig through the past threads
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:09 AM
Thursday

to find the examples where people denied Hamas was using hospitals as bases even though they were seen on security footage and Palestinian patients confirmed they regularly saw Hamas fighters. Or the supposed babies that were left in the hospital with a grainy short video as proof and the claim dogs had somehow made it up five floors of the hospital to feed on them- somehow apparently not a single door was closed. Or when captives were released and gave first-hand accounts of the abuse they faced and how they detailed being held in the houses of UNRWA members, the claims were dismissed as" misunderstandings" or in the case of sexual assault ignored.

I find people will believe what they choose to believe and it is impossible to change their minds on this subject.

I am going to go spend some time with my elderly dog that will be gone in a matter of days, if not tonight.

I wish you a pleasant evening.

Eko

(10,099 posts)
106. I hope your dog lasts for many more years.
Thu May 14, 2026, 12:47 AM
Thursday

But I think you are confused with not believing Israel and believing hamas. If Israel says something about hamas I dont trust them at all as they have a track record of lying. That doesn't mean I believe hamas but it does mean that Israel needs to offer proof of something due to their track record of lying. hamas at a hospital does not equal using it as a base, hamas does not have their own military hospitals so where would you expect them to go for treatment? Did they use them as bases? There is some evidence that they did but there is no conclusive evidence.

Response to red dog 1 (Original post)

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
62. Well they have been accused of perversion and subversion for well over two thousand years
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:35 PM
Tuesday

at times have been accused of being an inferior race of humans or even shapeshifting aliens by those who subscribe to such theories.

That, and more, has been used to justify the hate.

3_Limes

(580 posts)
83. The Israeli military people behind these alledged atrocities obviously
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:39 PM
Tuesday

Don't look for slights that aren't there.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,225 posts)
41. Wondering how other Islamic nations are going to respond to this. I have no problem with anything they decide to do.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:05 PM
Tuesday

This is beyond my comprehension.

DavidDvorkin

(20,676 posts)
50. Anything at all?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:19 PM
Tuesday

You would support the most heinous actions by Islamic nations in response to this unconfirmed bullshit?

3_Limes

(580 posts)
55. IMHO, the chances that this happened as described are pretty good.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:25 PM
Tuesday

Completely consistent with the genocide Israel is currently carrying out.

EdmondDantes_

(2,053 posts)
72. Even if it's absolutely true, still wouldn't justify an unlimited response
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:54 PM
Tuesday

That just leads to ever more brutality.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
54. Anything
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:22 PM
Tuesday

That is pretty broad and can include some very unsavory acts.

Do you really mean anything?

orangecrush

(31,112 posts)
44. IIRC
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

Right wing dictators in South America employed this same tactic in the 80's.

How does anyone expect anyone to prove this?

Like they were going to be able to take cellphone videos?



questionseverything

(11,955 posts)
66. Israel's own soldiers have filmed it and shared the images
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday

Post# 3 has lots of supporting info and it’s from 2024, none of this is a secret

Joinfortmill

(21,658 posts)
58. I would view this report with caution. There are conflicting reports. Use discretion when sharing on other sites.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:26 PM
Tuesday

BannonsLiver

(20,845 posts)
68. Im going to need more details.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:42 PM
Tuesday

Soooooo many questions on how all of that would actually work in a practical sense.

1WorldHope

(2,144 posts)
77. I've been out of touch for a few days from reading DU.
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:11 PM
Tuesday

When I got home from a trip and had time to read again, I've just seen a couple of angry posts both of the South and now Jews. I just came back from Western NE where they still haven't figured out that the large orange anus used them. But, I was kind of amazed, nearly half the town are immigrants mostly from Mexico, they live and work together, they go to school together and I can't figure out that disconnect. And I've been spending a lot of time thinking about how are we going to heal as a nation instead of further divide. It just seems like we have to go on some kind of a real purposeful quest to make sure that we're good to everybody and not get confused like they want us to be, they being the rich. My libertarian son-in-law very strongly said, that it's never been about race, it's always been about money. I was glad to hear him say this, although I believe there is plenty of racism in the world, but we all have to come together because it's the poor and the working class who have to save this country from the oligarchy. It has gotten real ugly lately with the supreme Court allowing Tennessee and I guess now I can't remember what other state to just eliminate the black representation. I guess we'll find out if this country is truly made up of people just like Trump, or people with common sense who know that hate never wins us anything.

1WorldHope

(2,144 posts)
90. I thought I saw the word, "Jew", specifically.
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:03 PM
Tuesday

Corrections followed about the difference between the two. I agree that it is the leader of Israel who is to blame. It's tempting to blame the soldiers who follow orders, but, we've always had soldiers show up for the fight here in the U$. Most of them realize at some point that they are not fighting for our country, but for our government who only serve the rich. We can not let them divide us.

Prairie Gates

(8,470 posts)
82. Wow, some people really showing who they are 'round here
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:10 PM
Tuesday

Not bad enough to emulate and celebrate and justify the genocide on the front end, but they gonna act like Holocaust deniers as well?

Fuck's sake.

Beringia

(5,619 posts)
88. So many responses of I will wait for confirmation or some such reminds me of the movie Jaws
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:20 PM
Tuesday

This reminds me of the scene from Jaws where Hooper says to Mayor Vaughn in a town hall meeting, "I think you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and bites you in the ass"

LearnedHand

(5,590 posts)
89. Omg I feel sick
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:37 PM
Tuesday

Abusing humans and animals alike. I don’t even know how to think about this.

fujiyamasan

(2,015 posts)
107. His wording isn't quite accurate, but the abuse sounds like it has been detailed in multiple detainee interviews
Thu May 14, 2026, 01:09 AM
Thursday

It’s not the NYT that confirmed it as stated in the headline. It’s an op-Ed piece, so I would assume it should abide by NYT’s standards, but I would argue that you cant really treat an op-Ed as confirmation, as in a piece of investigative journalism. They’re just not the same.

That said, I’m not disputing anything written here. I read most of the Kristoff column (as much as I could get through before being horrified and disgusted). It’s not an easy read that’s for sure. He links to interviews and other sources throughout the piece.

What’s clear is Israel is systematically falling into a deeper moral Abyss. No country can allow this sort of behavior with no consequences and call it self a civilized society. As someone just as sickened by the attacks of 10/07, we should be able to condemn both forcefully. The difference between those attacks and this systemic treatment of Palestinians is that we wholeheartedly subsidize this as Americans.

He references the following op Ed:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html

I’ve excerpted the part about the dogs being used:

On one occasion, he said, he was held down, stripped naked, and as he was blindfolded and handcuffed, a dog was summoned. With encouragement from a handler in Hebrew, he said, the dog mounted him.
“They were using cameras to take photos, and I heard their laughs and giggles,” he said. He tried to dislodge the dog, he said, but it penetrated him.

Other Palestinian prisoners and human rights monitors have also cited reports of police dogs being coached to rape prisoners. The journalist said that when he was released, an Israeli official warned him: “If you want to stay alive when you return, do not speak to the media.”

These are the links to the interviews:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/interview-palestinian-detainee-recounts-sexual-assault-in-israeli-detention/3749192

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYERwPIgTps/






https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dy8r7lq0go



Beringia

(5,619 posts)
109. Seymour Hersh published today about Israel and Palestine
Fri May 15, 2026, 02:22 PM
Friday



ISRAEL’S PATH NOT TAKEN
A memoir by the son of an Israeli general who took up the Palestinian cause shows what might have been

https://open.substack.com/pub/seymourhersh/p/israels-path-not-taken?r=5gz1qk&utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

PLO leader Yasser Arafat (3rd L) meets three members of the Israeli Peace Commettee, Yarcov Arnon (L), Uri Avnery (2nd L), and Matti Peled (3rd R), along with senior member of the PLO Issam Sartawi (2nd R), member of the executive committee of the PLO Mahmud Abbas (aka Abou Mazen, R), and Imad Chakkour, Arafat’s press councillor, on January 21, 1983, in Tunisia. / Photo by AFP via Getty Images.

Israel’s response to its failures on the ground has been to turn to its courts. In late March, the Knesset passed a law that would permit the hanging of Palestinians convicted of fatal attacks, while also excluding similar proceedings against Jewish extremists of similar crimes, which are happening more and more frequently in the embattled West Bank. A few days ago, the New York Times reported that Israel was preparing to prosecute hundreds of Palestinians suspected of crimes committed on October 7. Most of those to be tried have been held without charge—a common Israeli legal tactic—since their capture.

Miko Peled is now a full-time advocate for Palestinian rights, via seminars and panel discussions, and operates out of a large office complex a few blocks from the Capitol Building in Washington. He spends much of his time, he told me earlier this week—we had not spoken in years—telling Congress about the continuing horrors facing the surviving Gazans amid less and less American media interest in their plight.

Netanyahu is no longer being primarily cast as the man behind the horrors of Gaza. He is now seen as the man behind Donald Trump, who convinced the president to go all-out in the recent Israeli and American Air Force attacks on Iran, largely in the name of the alleged nuclear threat Iran has in its underground supply of partially enriched uranium.

BH liberal

(142 posts)
113. All of this repetitious religious harangue...
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:05 AM
21 hrs ago

simply adds to the overwhelming historical evidence that the carryover of our primitive obsessions with gods and claims of "chosen peoples" into the present day causes far more harm than good. We bicker and war and suffer over organized religious beliefs and geographical/ideological boundaries when it is painfully apparent that no sky gods are going to intervene and pull humans back from the abyss of our own making. We need to wake up and come together as a species rather than rush forward into the inevitable cul-de-sac that nationalism and cult-obsession are leading us toward. The acceleration of the rate of change in technological development, in the impending climate disaster, and in the consumption of the planet's resources demands it if we are to survive.

For decades, science fiction writers have penned stories about alien invasions finally bringing us together. Really, is it going to take an external threat like that to wake us up? If so, the sooner the better!

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