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[The Wizard]

1. The Postmaster General

had his operatives go into Democratic districts in swing states to "collect" the mail in ballots.

[WarGamer]

2. In EVERY swing state? I'd love to see how.

[debsy]

8. That is precisely what makes it seem so suspicious!

How did they manage to win every single swing state when Kamala was ahead in a number of them going into the election.

[EdmondDantes_]

10. That's not correct. She was only ahead in 2 swing states.

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/

She was ahead in Wisconsin and Michigan. Tied in Pennsylvania. Behind in Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, and Georgia.

[WarGamer]

15. she wasn't ahead... no votes had been counted. Polling is not voting.

[EdmondDantes_]

19. Considering I'm replying to someone who said she was ahead my point stands

Pendantics aside, the point was clear that Trump was ahead in polls so in was inaccurate to claim Harris was ahead in many of the swing states.

[debsy]

80. Is 2 a number?

[mchill]

18. Remember--Sidney Powell stole the Doninion software

In December 2020. They used the same BMDs in AZ and PA that she stole from Coffee County, GA. Despite the 60 minute segment, that said these machines are never online, those who know say there are moments they are and one expert from UC Berkeley said this allows them to hack these machines and not be detectable or traceable. Furthermore, the big screens on the Dominion machines in Georgia show what a person voted for, but the actual vote is embedded in the QR code.

[ShepKat]

20. simple

musk and algorithms. Every swing state is what makes it crystal clear.
There were headlines about PA proving it, then they disappeared.

[Cha]

3. Could be... look at their resume, record, Nazi

fucking attitude.

[Walleye]

53. So much knowledge and so much technical skill

You’d think they could find something better to do than be Nazis. Elon Musk is just the richest of the butt-hurt boys. These boys are sure that women have ruined their lives. They enjoy being the grievance victim. Poor babies, they’ve only ever had every advantage in the world

[Cha]

69. They want to rule the Universe..

My guess is that's what they have in mind.. It seems they think supporting a PEDO Rapist, Homicidal Maniac, Treasonous Psycho is the answer.

[Kid Berwyn]

56. In character.

Jack Smith, I understand, found evidence Traitor Trump intended to sell the Top Secrets he stole.

[Cha]

68. Of course, anything for a buck &

to Fuck the American People.

[yellow dahlia]

85. I believe he already has sold them and traded them.

I wonder if any geopolitical incidents have been influenced as a result. Actually - I don't really wonder.

[raccoon]

4. I think so too.

[31st Street Bridge]

27. Yep. Votes were shaved/uncounted in heavily Dem districts

Where Biden won by 75-25, Harris only won by 65-35, etc. Scrape off enough votes and you can easily steal a swing state.
Our whole political system is broken.

Look at the graphs of Felon-47's popularity. His numbers were lowest on election day.
And her rallies were far larger than his.
It was rigged and stolen. He continues to whine about 2020 so nobody dares challenge 2024.

[OnionPatch]

5. Same

You can’t convince me they didn’t tweak it. You know they wouldn’t hesitate.

[debsy]

6. I believe he was "installed" the first time around also

Nobody will ever convince me that Putin didn’t play a role in that election.

[yellow dahlia]

11. Yup! When it doesn't add up - it doesn't make sense.

[Old-8643]

23. Don't forget AIPAC! n/m

[31st Street Bridge]

28. That, too

The child rapist has never actually won an election.
There's too much loot to steal for any legitimate voting.

[Attilatheblond]

37. Not just loot to be stolen, but MANY people knew Trump had to win or some of them would end up in prison

Trump for starters, but didn't Elon say as much also? How many 'tech bros' and corporate leaders, let alone everyone in the Epstein files, knew it was win or face trials.

[maddiemom]

30. He was "installed" by the Electoral College the first time...

Not by the majority of the voters. That's what started his entire disastrous reign. They made it easy for Putin.

[Chicagogrl1]

7. I never believed

That the mofo won every swing state. It just stinks to high heaven and I don’t understand why no real investigation took place. Sickening..

[bamagal62]

36. Agree.

[stage left]

9. Ditto.

And I think Musk helped.

[dflprincess]

14. He publicly thanked Musk and commented on how Musk knows those "vote counting computers"

[Chicagogrl1]

71. Yeppers!

[yellow dahlia]

12. And he was installed specifically to accomplish the destruction being perpetrated right now.

Musk, Thiel, Project 2025, Russia...and so on.

Who does it benefit?

[Kid Berwyn]

40. The Epstein Class

Grifters. Oligarchs. Putin.

[Initech]

13. 100% Elon Musk helped tamper with the election results.

And the proof of it is - he's doing this all over the world! Italy, Argentina, Turkey, Brazil, the UK... they all flipped with Musk's influence and money. The man is absolutely vile and rotten to the core.

[Joinfortmill]

16. Yup.

[ITAL]

17. No

Part of the beauty about the diffused system of states (and even counties and precincts) is it'd be next to impossible to rig. If you think it was rigged for Trump in 2016 and 2024, why not do so in 2020? Or even the House elections of '18, 22...the Special elections, etc. (where it'd be significantly easier).

It's hard to accept Trump won, but he did.

[Cirsium]

45. So...

If a bank robber tried to rob 20 banks and only succeeded 15 times, he therefore wouldn't be a bank robber?

[ITAL]

66. Heh

In this situation it'd be more like 50/50 (or worse) given all the other elections the GOP has lost since Trump came on the scene. But yes, I get your point from one respect.

However it'd be infinitely easier to steal a special election than a national election with thousands of different precincts. Musk was invoked in the original post - he lost hugely in the state supreme court race he was trying to buy last year. Once more, that would have been much, much easier to rig than a national election if he was really going in and changing vote totals somehow.

[questionseverything]

74. You have it backwards, easier to rig a few states when everyone is voting at once

If too many votes have to be moved it tends to show up in “impossible numbers “ or more votes than voters or a huge undervote

When activists find them in a general election there are too many to track down the reason, when it’s a single state it’s easier to find the source of the false results

[ITAL]

81. No

If you're changing things electronically - which is how people usually suggest it happened - it'd be much easier to do on a small scale.

Changing things everywhere would have all sorts of avenues to explore. To use any sort of criminal enterprise as an example, it's actually rather easy to commit one crime and get away with it. But when someone keeps committing them they tend to make a mistake somewhere. That's why when law enforcement finally catch bank robbers or people that hold op gas stations, or serial killers - they usually figure out there are all sorts of prior crimes they committed when they finally get them on their seventh.

[questionseverything]

83. Disagree, ty 4 the bump

[yellow dahlia]

87. Thank you.

[yellow dahlia]

86. Thank you.

[bluestarone]

21. Well, i'm sure November of this year will tell us the story.

Be ready for TSF to win every toss up state AGAIN. I hope i'm wrong but i can never trust our elections again until WE control everything. Thst's how i feel today!

[FarPoint]

22. Absolutely correct....

That is why Kamala wants the election autopsy report....

I also added a thread in the Astrology and Spirituality Forum today...video.

[brakester]

41. She does?

I hadn't heard that. I'll look it up. That's a good sign if she does.
I felt like she acceded
way too fast and then faded from view. I wasn't happy about that, but what do I know about what she had to go through running against that rotten-souled criminal? He is a soul-sucking
sociopath.

[yellow dahlia]

88. At the time, I suspected she was doing what the strategists told them to do.

[BannonsLiver]

48. That's not what the autopsy report is about.

It’s about failings within the party not an investigation into alleged election manipulation.

[FarPoint]

49. I believe it is related....

Maybe some DNC cover-up stuff?

[Emile]

24. There was no way in hell trump won every battleground state

after he orchestrated an insurrection four years earlier.

[maddiemom]

33. And his part (or leadership) in that "insurrection",,,

should have made him ineligible to run again.

[Botany]

25. Without a doubt!

There are hundreds of cases of the election being corrupted in 2024.
Musk, Thiel, Eaton, the Cyber Shits, and others including Russia were
very busy in 2024.

Look @ the shits who went a long with Trump to China just now.

[yellow dahlia]

89. It's all playing out right in front of us.

The end goal is obvious. They had significant motive(s).

[Old-8643]

26. Putin conquered the USA. Election finance reform is needed today!

Putin conquered the USA without firing a single shot.

[hamsterjill]

29. And here come the usual posters of "this couldn't have happened".

Ugh! Always the same ones.

So, in that same category, I'll post my usual response. That is:

I don't know what in the hell happened and I can't prove that Trump stole the election(s), but I have lived my life listening to my gut, and been right most of the time doing that. My gut tells me that SOMETHING happened.

Just because I can't prove it happened does not mean that it didn't happen. There was something not right about 2016, and there was something not right about 2024. Trump made too many comments that showed he KNEW he was going to win. He can't keep a secret. He has to brag, and he bragged about it several times. People blow it off because he never makes any sense. But there's a pattern to his behavior. He loves to let little things slip and then feel superior because he thinks he is party to some secret that most other people don't get to know. It's all a game to him.

So, flame away all you want with your facts and data and research. My gut doesn't care.

[Grim Chieftain]

38. There is no reason to be so caustic

Everyone on DU is entitled to their opinion.

[brakester]

44. I see lots of reasons to be caustic.

I feel the same way the previous poster does. I'm a dedicated truth seeker who reveres facts, but sometimes it is important to be in touch with our intuition. In the case of the PedoPrez, it is so obvious that he is a compulsive liar, an ace incompetent and corrupt to his bones! Ignore my gut in this instance would be self-sabotage!

[hamsterjill]

50. I did not say they weren't.

But, likewise, I am entitled to mine. I'm not being caustic. I'm being honest. Sorry if that offends you. It should not.

[Botany]

43. 17 Counties in Pennsylvania had precincts that had more votes than registered voters.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/how-did-43598-of-voters-cast-ballots?utm_source=publication-search

Trump in 2024, “We don’t need anymore votes.”
Trump, “Elon knows more about those voting machines than anybody else.” Rough quotes.

[EdmondDantes_]

61. As you were shown when you first tried to pass this off on us, that's not true

https://www.norcopa.gov/corecode/uploads/document6/uploaded_pdfs/corecode/GE24%20Precinct%20Level%20Summary%20Results_1290.pdf

Page 366 demonstrates that precinct 760 only had an 80% turnout.

Thanks to Kaleva for the original source evidence that shows why nobody should ever take This Will Hold seriously.

https://the.democraticunderground.org/100220967788#post23

Continuing to post debunked things is weird.

[Botany]

63. Funny this is the very first time I have ever posted about the anomalies of those 17 countries.

And why are you tracking my posts?
Just because something is debunked doesn’t make it true.

[Wiz Imp]

72. "just because something is debunked doesn't make it true"

Wow! By definition, if something is debunked, it means that it has been proven to be false. The allegation you posted about PA counties has been repeatedly proven to be 100% false. It has zero connection to reality. Not a single word in it is true.

[questionseverything]

78. You better let ms Pelosi know

[mr715]

92. Pelosi can be wrong.

[Eve Of Destruction]

93. Please show us where Pelosi ever claimed that

17 Counties in Pennsylvania had precincts that had more votes than registered voters.

[Eve Of Destruction]

94. It's official. You election deniers here are now spouting the exact same conspiracy theories that Trump supporters did

https://www.fox43.com/article/news/politics/fox43-capitol-beat/capitol-beat-fact-check-verify-congressman-scott-perry-false-voters-election/521-872cc477-db62-466d-bb17-9828831853a8

Link to tweet

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9887147615

https://www.mcall.com/2021/01/01/ap-fact-check-there-were-not-more-votes-than-voters-in-pennsylvania/

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republican-lawmakers-analysis-finds-presidential-election-numbers-dont-add-up

[bluestarone]

46. Maybe it all started in 16 then more in 20. (practicew runs?) Don't know but

2024 we were BURNED badly, my thinking s well. Like i stated up thread the proof might show up this November.Maybe a RECOUNT will be needed, i'm sure

[Botany]

47. Theil and Epstein worked to screw Hillary in 2016. She like Harris 2024 got a big # of "undervotes."

An undervote is when somebody votes but skips voting for a candidate.

So did the 2 Democrats running for Senator from Ohio in 2022 and 2024 get an “undervote” too.

The Republicans haven’t won a legitimate Presidential election since in 1956 without cheating or
being the legacy of that cheating.

[ms.pamela]

67. Math and percentages don't lie

It is almost impossible for trump to have won all seven of the swing states with about the same percentages of votes, just a little more than would have required a run-off count. Most people I know who are good with mathematics felt the same way. Trump has admitted that he had help with this last election, praising Musk for his computer expertise and also remember Musk's son told trump to his face on live TV that he really wasn't the president. There was a post on this site yesterday that explained some of it, an ex-CIA whistleblower. Please read it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

79. OK, we'll do some maths and percentages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

In 2020, President Biden got 306 electoral college votes - 37 more than 269, the 50% point of the college. The states that put him over the top and were closest in percentage terms were:
Georgia: 49.47% - 49.24% = 0.23% difference (16 EC votes)
Arizona: 49.36% - 49.06% = 0.3% difference (11 EC votes) (0.31% in the far right Wikipedia column - rounding differences)
Wisconsin: 49.45% - 48.82% = 0.63% difference (10 EC votes)

In 2024, Trump got 312 EC votes. The states that put him over the top and were closest in percentage terms were:
Wisconsin: 49.6% - 48.74% = 0.86% (10 EC votes)
Michigan: 49.73% - 48.31% = 1.42% (15 EC votes)
Pennsylvania: 50.37% - 48.66% = 1.71% (19 EC votes)

So the crucial states in 2024 varied a fair bit. You mention winning all seven swing states, so I presume you're also including
Georgia: 2.19% difference
Nevada: 3.1% difference
North Carolina: 3.21% difference
Arizona: 5.53% difference

(the next 4 states in 2020 were differences of 1.16%, 2.39%, 2.78% and 7.12% (7.11% in far right column), for comparison)

5.53% is not "about the same" as 0.86%. Trump's margins in the crucial states were a little larger than President Biden's.

What do the people good with mathematics say about the difference between 2020 and 2024? I hope they had an argument, rather than just "feeling".

[themaguffin]

31. There was fuckery, but it was Facebook etc enabling Putin to push his bullshit etc.

No need to do that if it was rigged already.

[1WorldHope]

32. If people would vote in this country,

they may react to that travesty with the rage it deserves.

[annielion]

34. The numbers tell a story of manipulated vote-counting computers (tabulators)

The results of the 2024 election show the same story in many states across the country, not just swing states. The higher the percentage of voters, the more votes for Trump. This is not the way humans vote. This is the way computers (tabulators) manipulate the vote. The mail-in votes were not touched because they are sent directly to the county. The in-person vote totals were changed on the tabulators when the precincts sent the totals to the county via cellular modems. This is why Trump wants to eliminate mail-in voting. How can he win if he can't manipulate the vote? See ElectionTruthAlliance.org

[Botany]

55. Thank you. For shits like Musk, Thiel, and their employees it is just a numbers thing and manipulating those

…. #s in order to hit a target. Having a fair election and counting the votes honestly are of little
concern to them. It is just a numbers game.

Thiel’s Palantir was reported to have been running their “clean up program” called digital janitor
that didn’t flip or delete votes but hid that it happened.

[muriel_volestrangler]

84. Here's the states, ordered by votes as percentage of eligible voters

STATE VEP_TURNOUT_RATE
Hawaii 50.26%
Oklahoma 53.46%
Arkansas 54.06%
West Virginia 55.56%
Texas 56.83%
Mississippi 57.75%
Tennessee 57.92%
Alabama 58.70%
Indiana 59.05%
New Mexico 59.71%
New York 60.50%
Louisiana 61.15%
Wyoming 61.23%
California 62.26%
South Carolina 62.26%
Kentucky 62.90%
Kansas 63.32%
Rhode Island 63.32%
Illinois 63.51%
Alaska 63.55%
Arizona 63.88%
North Dakota 63.89%
Idaho 64.18%
United States 64.30%
South Dakota 64.51%
Missouri 64.62%
Utah 64.71%
District of Columbia 64.94%
Ohio 65.40%
Nevada 66.15%
Delaware 66.78%
Connecticut 67.00%
Florida 67.40%
New Jersey 67.51%
Georgia 67.97%
Montana 68.35%
Massachusetts 68.44%
Nebraska 68.61%
Maryland 69.43%
Washington 70.23%
North Carolina 70.65%
Vermont 70.75%
Iowa 70.95%
Pennsylvania 71.44%
Virginia 71.46%
Oregon 71.87%
Colorado 73.40%
New Hampshire 73.74%
Maine 74.55%
Michigan 74.85%
Minnesota 76.50%
Wisconsin 76.66%
source: https://election.lab.ufl.edu/2024-general-election-turnout/
I can't see a pattern of "The higher the percentage of voters, the more votes for Trump" there. Many close states get high turnouts; that's because voters there think there's a real chance their vote makes a difference, so more bother. But in the highest turnout states, there are ones Kamala Harris own, like Minnesota and Maine.

[SCantiGOP]

35. Biden stealing the 2020 election

And Trump stealing the 2024 election (both while the other side controlled the White House) are two sides of the same coin; i.e., baseless conspiracy theories with no factual support.

[awesomerwb1]

39. So if they can "install" a president

they can also install a Congress?

[DemocracyForever]

42. Bush installed NOT elected in 2000

by the anti-democracy, corrupt Rehnquist 5 who stopped the legal Florida vote count leaving 160,000 legally cast ballots located in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida uncounted. This is what started this nightmare.

[yellow dahlia]

91. Word!

[Irish_Dem]

51. 100% true. Billionaire and MAGA coup.

[ImNotGod]

52. He's been a russian agent since 1987. nt

[Blues Heron]

54. Elon and Trump both bragged about it

I believe them

[sarisataka]

57. And this is one of the reasons we loose

Because to anyone who followed polls and trends in the final weeks leading up to election day the result was not surprising.

Denial is a losing strategy.

[liberalla]

58. I'm right there with you! I believe it will eventually be revealed, too.

[Mr.Bee]

59. You Can't Think Objectively

while watching FuxNews.

[MineralMan]

60. You Do? Trump Thought Biden was "Installed," too.

But, guess what, Trump is in the White House and Biden was sworn in in 2021.

That is reality. What you're talking about is something different from reality.

Trump lost every court case. Kamala didn't go that losing route.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

62. Some say

Biden was installed too.

[waterwatcher123]

64. Musk somehow had the election results four hours before they were posted (mentioned on the Joe Rogan show).

Election authorities do not provide results to citizens (regardless of how rich) in advance of posting them on their respective pages. My guess is that Musk and/or the Russians had an algorithm downloaded on machines that used cellular connections (all ES&S machines) to guaranteed the result (the data looks suspect in lots of places, where there were lots of over-votes for Trump and under-votes for Harris).

Trump was constantly harping on about stolen elections the entire time out of office. He effectively inoculated himself against any serious investigation or charges about election tampering. We know from the Muller Report that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election and were inside state vote tabulators all over the place. Somehow these Russian intrusions were said to have occurred without any impact in 2016. However, it would easy for the Russians to have installed a back door or dormant software program in 2016 that allowed for manipulation at a future date (assuming it was not over-written by a new software program or patch).

[LudwigPastorius]

65. I guess it is easier for you to believe that than to believe...

that there is a plurality of nasty, stupid, racist people in this country who feared a woman president.

Personally, I'll go with that less convoluted, more likely explanation.

[Richluu]

70. Yep. Here's how they did it.

Installed is a good descriptor.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the?fbclid=IwY2xjawK-Q-RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl8PQYh9WG-6uuPXYQO5BzrEiJv9VweTkJc6a-VHicPxurAtcP4Q059t4Gjo_aem_HoFB_uGcaEjb3ciZ62ggmA

[Celerity]

73. De rec, and especially for this attack on Biden and Harris (as your CT claims mean they and their regime and campaign

were all so weak and unaware that , IF what you posit is true, they allowed it all to happen, or worse, were in on the fix).

I really tire of all this CT-based (all of which (that has been posted on DU for ages) has been de-bunked) election denialism that runs riot hear on DU all too often.

[MichMan]

82. That includes all the Democratic governors of the swing states too

[WhiskeyGrinder]

75. lol this thread

[biocube]

76. What too many people don't understand is

The swing states are largely correlated. Biden won all or (depending on how you define it) most of them in 2020. Same thing with Trump in 2016. I mean, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia all went the same way the last 3 presidential elections.

[Irish_Dem]

77. We are supposed to believe a criminal psychopath played fair and square?

Who was facing prison, bankruptcy, and disgrace played by the rules?

Same with Musk.

And Putin.

[malaise]

90. Like you I remain doubting malaise

That said I am way more concerned about the ongoing coup

[moondust]

95. Hard for me to believe

that so many U.S. voters, especially in swing states, would cast their vote for a racist, sexist, continuously lying, "grabbing," grifting, convicted felon.

[Jedi Guy]

96. Here we go again...

For this to be true, one must necessarily believe that the entire Democratic Party, from Joe Biden on down, was either too stupid or too cowardly to do anything about it. One must necessarily believe that Kamala Harris herself was too stupid or too cowardly to do anything about it. That after warning the nation that Trump is a deadly danger to our democracy they meekly stood aside and did absolutely nothing about it.

I simply can't believe that of them. And not one election conspiracy theorist has ever responded to this point, which seems telling to me.

This is nothing more than the same nonsense Trump supporters spouted after the 2020 election, just with the party affiliations and names changed. It's the same conspiracy theory nonsense without a shred of proof to back it up because if there was actual, legitimate truth to any of it Biden and Harris would have done something with it to challenge the results. But they didn't, so the logical conclusion is that there is no such proof since it hasn't been forthcoming and they never acted to challenge the results of the election.

I get that this timeline sucks and we all wish Harris had won but wishful thinking is not helpful, nor is denying reality because of nebulous "gut feelings that something happened". Feelings don't override facts nor do they override the lack of same.