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Bill Kristol announcement: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Friday OP
Will wonders never cease? greatauntoftriplets Friday #1
Pigs fly today BlueWaveNeverEnd Yesterday #19
I guess that's one big Tent then!! Ars Longa 16 hrs ago #102
What the hell?.................... Lovie777 Friday #2
Hope that SOB is in prison soon chicoescuela Friday #3
A major problem is that the Israeli opposition is so fractured DavidDvorkin Friday #4
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #34
What does this have to do with Bill Kristol? yardwork 18 hrs ago #89
Did you post this because Kristol is Jewish? yardwork 17 hrs ago #97
Sod Off Kristol...",,Kristol is credited with launching Palin's career." irisblue Friday #5
I seem to have missed his apology for all the shitty things FoxNewsSucks Friday #6
and he's still saying them but just "constructive criticism" mountain grammy 18 hrs ago #91
What? Ya don't like comedy. Alcohol fueled, hockey mom was the funniest thing to come along in years. m 3Hotdogs Yesterday #16
Her qualifications for VP: "I can see Russia from my house." (SNL made it her kitchen). CTyankee 21 hrs ago #61
Welcome to the big tent.... reACTIONary Friday #7
Bill Kristol is just like Charlie Sykes. Dr. T Friday #8
Just another rat jumping a sinking ship. wnylib 19 hrs ago #78
Your Antifa membership card is in the mail, Bill. LudwigPastorius Friday #9
Holy fuck swong19104 Friday #10
Good. betsuni Friday #11
"former Republicans know that the problem is Republicans and don't waste time nitpicking Democrats." Wiz Imp Yesterday #14
Yes, I like your important point.. and just Cha Yesterday #20
Hard agree. ShazzieB 17 hrs ago #94
Hey, anybody here remember the Clinton health care plan? He helped niyad Friday #12
Yep. He and those of his ilk Susan Calvin 22 hrs ago #55
Yes, but maybe focus on the WHY he says he's now a Democrat RandomNumbers 20 hrs ago #66
I blame him for getting us to this point ... aggiesal Friday #13
30-40 years too late and a lifetime of damage he helped create JHB Yesterday #15
It's beginning to look as though not fooled Yesterday #31
That's symptomatic of all Repuglicans. Dr. T 22 hrs ago #49
And/or if he starts to advocate for policies he once tried to kill. cab67 18 hrs ago #90
Uhm WOW ... live love laugh Yesterday #17
It's Never Too Late. Welcome to the Cha Yesterday #18
Let him prove his worth before giving him welcomes JHB Yesterday #24
Oh sorry... I'm welcoming him now. Cha Yesterday #28
Love ya Cha, but our points of view diverge on this JHB Yesterday #36
Backatcha, JHB. As Zambero pointed out Cha Yesterday #37
I agree. If he "relapses" we can always kick him out... CTyankee 21 hrs ago #64
Also: enough of these defections can create an avalanche in the GOP nt lostnfound 7 hrs ago #110
Look! We need all the help we can get. broiles 22 hrs ago #58
I don't know why people are upset. He's not running for office, has no influence on the party and policy. betsuni 21 hrs ago #62
Right? People can change .. look at Cha 13 hrs ago #104
Full circle. Dem, Rep, Ind, Dem phxjurist Yesterday #21
Kristol was a never-Trumper from the get-go Zambero Yesterday #22
Mahalo, Zambero! Cha Yesterday #29
And he was only a Republican on the whole wars for freedom bs JI7 Yesterday #32
I repeat. The Clinton Health Care program. PNAC. And those just off niyad 19 hrs ago #77
And he was only a Republican on the whole wars for freedom bs JI7 Yesterday #33
i read his articles in my local newspaper, and you're right. JohnnyRingo 23 hrs ago #48
THIS orangecrush 20 hrs ago #67
Not me Cirsium Yesterday #23
Kristol never supported Trump or MAGA. Random Boomer 21 hrs ago #65
OK Cirsium 19 hrs ago #79
He is not a liberal, he just realizes what a mess we are in these days. Pompoy Yesterday #25
He has always opposed Trump. He was never MAGA JI7 Yesterday #30
*sigh*....... RockRaven Yesterday #26
Perhaps... tavernier 22 hrs ago #57
I'll believe it when Trump delivers him plutonium pizzas. usonian Yesterday #27
Look at that makeup! calimary 15 hrs ago #103
He doesn't care. Because his cult doesn't care. It might, in fact, be a fetish with them, like a golden calf. usonian 12 hrs ago #108
As any reasonable AMERICAN would now be, who has two brain cells Jack Valentino Yesterday #35
This is what has to happen for the Republican party to be no more. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #38
He was "independent" from 2021 to yesterday. He was registered niyad 19 hrs ago #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #39
Mr PNAC himself, aye? Ruby the Liberal Yesterday #40
And are you pro-choice? milestogo Yesterday #41
I'm seeing some signs that he now is Renew Deal Yesterday #43
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m 23 hrs ago #45
I'm not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of it Renew Deal 23 hrs ago #46
Wow. Not sure I expected that. Renew Deal Yesterday #42
Neoconservative Neoliberal Soul_of_Wit 19 hrs ago #75
Limited govt, pro freedom, no mention of climate change jfz9580m 23 hrs ago #44
It's weird to judge when you don't know the answer. Renew Deal 23 hrs ago #47
Good ol' Bloody Kristal... fuck off. BradBo 22 hrs ago #50
If Bill Kristol had any honor he would go out to his garage and start his car and let it run without Botany 22 hrs ago #51
+1 leftstreet 22 hrs ago #56
All the things he said Democrats were against mountain grammy 18 hrs ago #93
We need all the support we can get BillJoeBobBeauregard 22 hrs ago #52
Is the Democratic tent that "big"? kentuck 22 hrs ago #53
Ha! Hell Hath Almost Frozen Over. Joinfortmill 22 hrs ago #54
Well, At Least He Didn't Equivocate And Turn "Independent." ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #59
He was listed as independent from 2021 to yesterday. niyad 19 hrs ago #82
Fine. But Today Is Today, Is It Not? Meanwhile, We Heap Praise On Liz Cheney.... ColoringFool 17 hrs ago #96
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad 17 hrs ago #98
Today does not exist in a vacuum, and I have a fairly decent, and niyad 17 hrs ago #99
Weren't you going... czarjak 21 hrs ago #60
If Franklin Roosevelt could work with Joesph Stalin... NNadir 21 hrs ago #63
Wow! City Lights 20 hrs ago #68
The World Turned Upside Down obamanut2012 20 hrs ago #69
In the words of Elaine, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.......Ok, if this is true.......Hell HAS FROZRN OVER. a kennedy 20 hrs ago #70
Democrat now? Belief? 3825-87867 20 hrs ago #71
Regarding Government, Democrats believe Glaisne 20 hrs ago #72
The world turned upside down. Tommy Carcetti 20 hrs ago #73
They're ice skating in hell right now. SergeStorms 19 hrs ago #74
Ugh. After helping to wreck democracy, now he's sorry? yardwork 19 hrs ago #76
Call me skeptical of anything Mr. PNAC says. Ritabert 19 hrs ago #80
The Democratic Party is now the conservative party Soul_of_Wit 19 hrs ago #81
. MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #84
I don't give a shit. I guarantee Kristal would never support the democratic policies I want in the Dem platform. Nanjeanne 18 hrs ago #85
Like "pro-choice", "pro-19A", etc., etc., niyad 18 hrs ago #87
Not sure what policies are considered "etc. etc." As I said I want more than those 3 policies he already mentioned. Nanjeanne 10 hrs ago #109
Would Democrats support those policies? Renew Deal 11 min ago #113
kick Dawson Leery 18 hrs ago #86
It takes alliances in politics sometimes, doesn't mean I trust him beyond the alliance themaguffin 18 hrs ago #88
Democrats are advocates of limited government. J_William_Ryan 18 hrs ago #92
Kristol may say that, but what really has happened is his party can no longer legitimately call themselves GoodRaisin 13 hrs ago #106
Smarmy weasel. ZZenith 17 hrs ago #95
Forgive me if I am highly skeptical. mwmisses4289 17 hrs ago #100
To paraphrase The Politics Bar MurrayDelph 16 hrs ago #101
Perhaps this portends a political realignment of Deminpenn 13 hrs ago #105
Isn't Bill Kristol always wrong? Festivito 12 hrs ago #107
Historically the neocons started out as dems... WarGamer 7 hrs ago #111
What does he mean? "so just-for today" or "so starting today" QueerDuck 1 hr ago #112
I've become a regular listener of Bill Kristol. Which initially felt SO WRONG. Maru Kitteh 2 min ago #114

Lovie777

(23,696 posts)
2. What the hell?....................
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:46 PM
Friday

I saw a poll about Bibi, it's amazing that his approval is at 38%, basically the same as shithole. In Israel, Bibi's party is in trouble.

DavidDvorkin

(20,676 posts)
4. A major problem is that the Israeli opposition is so fractured
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:56 PM
Friday

A strong, unified party would be in a good position to take over after the upcoming election.

Response to Lovie777 (Reply #2)

yardwork

(69,612 posts)
97. Did you post this because Kristol is Jewish?
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:44 PM
17 hrs ago

You've been asked why you posted this comment in a thread about Bill Kristol announcing that he's now a Democrat.

Thirteen other DUers so far gave this post a big thumbs up so they seem to know what you're getting at here.

Please enlighten the rest of us.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,911 posts)
6. I seem to have missed his apology for all the shitty things
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:10 PM
Friday

he said about Dems previously, and I didn't see his acknowledgement that he was wrong.

So if he helps us, great. But like MTG, I'll believe they're sincere when they show sorrow and contrition for what they have done.

mountain grammy

(29,194 posts)
91. and he's still saying them but just "constructive criticism"
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:01 PM
18 hrs ago

Of course he has advice, but enough already. Still, I'm glad to see him turn away from republicans.

3Hotdogs

(15,540 posts)
16. What? Ya don't like comedy. Alcohol fueled, hockey mom was the funniest thing to come along in years. m
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:16 AM
Yesterday

--- gave the. Republican Party a good, hard bite in the ass.

CTyankee

(68,450 posts)
61. Her qualifications for VP: "I can see Russia from my house." (SNL made it her kitchen).
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:21 AM
21 hrs ago

Dr. T

(707 posts)
8. Bill Kristol is just like Charlie Sykes.
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:20 PM
Friday

He helped create the fertile conditions from which Dimwit Donnie emerged. He helped create the monster that he now disavows.

F**k Bill Kristol. Choke on it, bitch.

LudwigPastorius

(14,988 posts)
9. Your Antifa membership card is in the mail, Bill.
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:21 PM
Friday

When you receive it, sign it and keep it in a safe place.

betsuni

(29,275 posts)
11. Good.
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:32 PM
Friday

I like The Bulwark, watch it all the time, because former Republicans know that the problem is Republicans and don't waste time nitpicking Democrats.

Supported and voted for Democrats in the last two elections and never lies about Democrats supposedly ignoring the working class and being bribed by billionaires and oligarchs -- that shit doesn't come from Never Trumpers who actually want and work for Republicans to lose.

Wiz Imp

(10,392 posts)
14. "former Republicans know that the problem is Republicans and don't waste time nitpicking Democrats."
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:10 AM
Yesterday

Excellent point and very true!

Cha

(320,496 posts)
20. Yes, I like your important point.. and just
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:24 AM
Yesterday

who does lie about Dems "not supporting the working class"?

Yeah, I wonder.

Mahalo, betsuni

ShazzieB

(22,860 posts)
94. Hard agree.
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:33 PM
17 hrs ago

I like the Bulwark, too. They are working as hard as anyone to expose Trump's uinfitness. I say more power to them!

niyad

(133,987 posts)
12. Hey, anybody here remember the Clinton health care plan? He helped
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:39 PM
Friday

stop it. PNAC?? He created it.

What has he done, or is planning to do, to make amends for the havoc he helped create?

Susan Calvin

(2,468 posts)
55. Yep. He and those of his ilk
Sat May 16, 2026, 09:39 AM
22 hrs ago

Appear to think they can just jump right in as if nothing happened. I'm with the person up thread who said vote blue and leave it at that, bud.

RandomNumbers

(19,259 posts)
66. Yes, but maybe focus on the WHY he says he's now a Democrat
Sat May 16, 2026, 11:24 AM
20 hrs ago

We don't have to give a shit about him as a person, given his history.

Note that all the reasons he says he switched to be a Democrat, are reasons the Rethug / MAGAT party give as things Democrats don't support.

Kristol's declaration should be thrown in the faces of those Rethugs and MAGATs.

And as long as he votes Blue and writes in support of Democrats ... it may not repay all his past harm ... but I'll take every step forward he makes and be glad for it.

aggiesal

(10,913 posts)
13. I blame him for getting us to this point ...
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:44 PM
Friday

He was an architect to this mess during GW McIdiot's time & anti-O'bama during his administration.
Not going to get any pity from me.

JHB

(38,326 posts)
15. 30-40 years too late and a lifetime of damage he helped create
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:11 AM
Yesterday

He's one of the many right-wingers/"conservatives" who built the road to Trump, he brings no one with him, and by calling himself our name he diminishes us.

If he's willing to make phone calls to voters or send postcards, fine. But his opinion on anything weightier than the best fishing spot in his favorite stream is worthless.

I'll change my opinion if he provides dirt on people, telling what skeletons are in whose closets, and where bodies are buried. Otherwise he's just grifting for a new income stream.

not fooled

(6,759 posts)
31. It's beginning to look as though
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:10 AM
Yesterday

none of these former (perhaps) assh*les thought through to the logical conclusion of what their actions and policies would create.

Dr. T

(707 posts)
49. That's symptomatic of all Repuglicans.
Sat May 16, 2026, 09:22 AM
22 hrs ago

Knee-jerk reactions rarely produce the desired result but they always go with it anyway. They don't possess the ability to think three steps ahead so they f**k around and find out later.

Cha

(320,496 posts)
18. It's Never Too Late. Welcome to the
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:18 AM
Yesterday

Actual Democratic Freedom Party, Bill Kristol..

Thank You!

JHB

(38,326 posts)
24. Let him prove his worth before giving him welcomes
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:53 AM
Yesterday

He's akin to Liz Cheney: embracing him is more likely to cost us votes than gain any.

Cha

(320,496 posts)
28. Oh sorry... I'm welcoming him now.
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:01 AM
Yesterday

I've read his call-outs to fascists for a while now.

JHB

(38,326 posts)
36. Love ya Cha, but our points of view diverge on this
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:21 AM
Yesterday

As far as I'm concerned, the only way he can reverse the damage he's spent his entire adult life contributing to is to pony up with dirt on his once-fellow Republicans and to go all-out in destroying careers. To get off the fence and expose things that will make his old friends hate him. It's not as if he was a peripheral figure--he was a major conservative political operator (and publisher of right-wing political media) for decades. The people who made up his old income stream won't have him, so he needs a new one. Will the number of voters his switch brings to the Democrats fill a school bus? And will his advertising himself as Democrat cost us more?

He's poisonous and self-serving, and needs to hand over tangible benefits before getting kudos for serving himself.

Cha

(320,496 posts)
37. Backatcha, JHB. As Zambero pointed out
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:49 AM
Yesterday

Kristol has always been a Never trumper.

And, I believe people can evolve over time.

I'm not going to turn away sincere people from our party.

There should be many others wanting to do the same thing, with or without mgaphones.

We have a whole Nation to win over to Shut Down The Nazis.

betsuni

(29,275 posts)
62. I don't know why people are upset. He's not running for office, has no influence on the party and policy.
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:32 AM
21 hrs ago

Never Trumpers are working to elect Democrats now, right now. Meeting the moment. Standing up to Republicans. Fighting for democracy. Jeez, has everyone forgotten how to use people to accomplish a goal? The Democratic Party doesn't have to marry Bill Kristol.

Cha

(320,496 posts)
104. Right? People can change .. look at
Sat May 16, 2026, 06:30 PM
13 hrs ago

Graham Planter... So many are willing to forget his past.

Kristol was always a Never Trumper, and now he's a Democrat. We Do need all the help we can get.



Zambero

(10,029 posts)
22. Kristol was a never-Trumper from the get-go
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:37 AM
Yesterday

So I would tend to accept his credentials as a Democrat over someone like Fetterman, who seems to be moving in the opposite direction.

JI7

(93,876 posts)
32. And he was only a Republican on the whole wars for freedom bs
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:11 AM
Yesterday

He wasn't conservative on any other issue.

niyad

(133,987 posts)
77. I repeat. The Clinton Health Care program. PNAC. And those just off
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:47 PM
19 hrs ago

the top of my head.

JI7

(93,876 posts)
33. And he was only a Republican on the whole wars for freedom bs
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:11 AM
Yesterday

He wasn't conservative on any other issue.

JohnnyRingo

(20,989 posts)
48. i read his articles in my local newspaper, and you're right.
Sat May 16, 2026, 09:05 AM
23 hrs ago

I think he feels Trump is guiding the party into far right territory once reserved for White Nationalists, The Klan, and the religious fanatics.

Reagan is long dead to republicans.

Cirsium

(4,103 posts)
23. Not me
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:50 AM
Yesterday

I can understand the urge to flee a sinking ship, but I can't forget decades of bullshit from people like him, the nonsense from them that caused this catastrophe.

As soon as the ship is out of danger, they will all be right back to their old tricks. We have let them up easy too many times. Every time we "look forward" and forgive, they abuse us again. Not this time.

Random Boomer

(4,416 posts)
65. Kristol never supported Trump or MAGA.
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:43 AM
21 hrs ago

No matter how much I disagree with Kristol on so many issues, we both value the bedrock principles of this country back when it was a democracy: rule-of-law, checks and balances of power, and adherence to the constitution.

He's not "jumping ship" from the current administration. Kristol parted ways with the Republican party when Trump came to power and he's been a vocal critic of Trump & MAGA ever since.

The entire Bulwark team of ex-Republicans is working as hard as they can to counter Trump. Their voices reach an audience that is more resistant to Democratic messaging.

Cirsium

(4,103 posts)
79. OK
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:51 PM
19 hrs ago

We demand more of each other than we ask of these various conservatives, yet another example of how unlevel the playing field is. Hardly a day goes by without progressives getting bashed, but monstrous conservatives are welcomed into the tent on the slimmest of pretexts. He doesn't like Trump. Whoop dee doo.

The entire Bulwark team of conservatives is working as hard as they can to distance themselves from Trump. Their voices do not reach any audience that is resistant to Democratic messaging. Their voices reach an audience that is resistant to Trump's style of conservative messaging.

Pompoy

(264 posts)
25. He is not a liberal, he just realizes what a mess we are in these days.
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:57 AM
Yesterday

He understands that in order to survive this, we have to repudiate what MAGA is about. It's going to be a hard road.

usonian

(26,570 posts)
27. I'll believe it when Trump delivers him plutonium pizzas.
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:00 AM
Yesterday

Holding them close so that Iranians can't steal them.

calimary

(90,742 posts)
103. Look at that makeup!
Sat May 16, 2026, 05:18 PM
15 hrs ago

Does he REALLY think nobody notices the paint job? How come his ears are several shades whiter than the rest of his face?

usonian

(26,570 posts)
108. He doesn't care. Because his cult doesn't care. It might, in fact, be a fetish with them, like a golden calf.
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:48 PM
12 hrs ago

It emphasizes the "reality TV" aspect, because it's not real.
Fascist nations are built on unreality.

But the consequences are really real.

Jack Valentino

(5,244 posts)
35. As any reasonable AMERICAN would now be, who has two brain cells
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:19 AM
Yesterday

to rub together......




Welcome to the FIGHT, Bill !!!!
I look forward to what more you have to say about it !!!!

Buddyzbuddy

(2,884 posts)
38. This is what has to happen for the Republican party to be no more.
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:00 AM
Yesterday

He's not asking forgiveness and I'm not offering any. He's an intelligent person that recognizes a huge change is needed for this Country to heal. He's not switching parties to steal a political position. It's obvious he wants to influence policy from the inside. He could have just become Independent. But, he didn't choose easy. He knows the things he has said and done in the past will make the transition bumpy to say the least. I actually respect a person that knows they're lost and asks for directions. Actions speak louder than words. Let's watch and wait without allowing this to consume us. Also, maybe he knows where some of the bodies are buried.(not literally).

niyad

(133,987 posts)
83. He was "independent" from 2021 to yesterday. He was registered
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:04 PM
19 hrs ago

"r" for all of krasnov's first reign of terror.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

Renew Deal

(85,347 posts)
43. I'm seeing some signs that he now is
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:17 AM
Yesterday

There’s a self-described “pro-life” magazine saying he’s flipped on abortion and LGBT issues.

FWIW, I don’t believe that you need to change on choice to be a Democrat.

Response to Renew Deal (Reply #43)

Renew Deal

(85,347 posts)
46. I'm not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of it
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:25 AM
23 hrs ago

And my first question was about his views on choice. But Democrats have always had an anti-choice wing but didn’t mind as long as they voted D in Congress. For a political talking head it matters much less.

Renew Deal

(85,347 posts)
42. Wow. Not sure I expected that.
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:08 AM
Yesterday

Is the Democratic Party the party for neo-cons or has Kristol had a change of heart?

I really can’t tell if this change is good or not. I don’t know if the party has gotten worse or he has gotten better. I think he’s enjoyed his time in the left wing sphere and wants to stick around. There’s a bunch of people like him on the Democrats side now and many of them are in the Bukwark wing. Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, possibly David Frum, and others. I like what some of them bring to the party but I will always be skeptical of Kristol.

Soul_of_Wit

(143 posts)
75. Neoconservative Neoliberal
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:42 PM
19 hrs ago

A neoconservative is just a neoliberal who also reserves the right (pun intended) to make "liberal" a curse word. I dare say that many a DUer has voted happily for a neoliberal.

jfz9580m

(17,811 posts)
44. Limited govt, pro freedom, no mention of climate change
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:20 AM
23 hrs ago

Let alone any other issue. Regulation - hell no.

That is okay. Its only the only home planet we have to trash the way we or rather you trash human brains and lives the world over.

Botany

(77,835 posts)
51. If Bill Kristol had any honor he would go out to his garage and start his car and let it run without
Sat May 16, 2026, 09:32 AM
22 hrs ago

Last edited Sat May 16, 2026, 12:33 PM - Edit history (2)

… opening any doors or windows. He and his PNAC shits brought us the Iraq war, ISIS, one
of the largest human refugee crises in history, and Dick Cheney became a billionaire off
the stolen oil and KBR’s no bid cost plus contracts with the Pentagon thanx to his “outsourcing”
deal he got down as Sec. of Defense.


Fuck that big tent shit. He is a despicable human being.

His Iraq war cost this 2 year old boy’s life. Alan Kurdi.



The Iraq war gave rise to ISIS after the Kristol, Cheney, and PNAC’s war broke up the Iraqi Army
and that got us ISIS which ran over Syria causing Alan Kurdi’s family to try to flee the fighting
and their small boat flipped and this young man drowned.

mountain grammy

(29,194 posts)
93. All the things he said Democrats were against
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:07 PM
18 hrs ago

and now he admits he was wrong.. that's him admitting he was wrong..

but I'm glad to see it and I'm here for it!

ColoringFool

(1,061 posts)
96. Fine. But Today Is Today, Is It Not? Meanwhile, We Heap Praise On Liz Cheney....
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:44 PM
17 hrs ago

And Adam Kinzinger, neither of whom has registered as a Democrat.

Response to ColoringFool (Reply #96)

niyad

(133,987 posts)
99. Today does not exist in a vacuum, and I have a fairly decent, and
Sat May 16, 2026, 03:01 PM
17 hrs ago

highly unregulated, memory. Also, I would kindly ask that you not include "me" in the "we" about "heaping praise" on republicans, former or otherwise.

NNadir

(38,529 posts)
63. If Franklin Roosevelt could work with Joesph Stalin...
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:38 AM
21 hrs ago

...I think we can embrace Bill Kristol.

The enemy of my enemy can (perhaps temporarily) be my friend.

a kennedy

(36,338 posts)
70. In the words of Elaine, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.......Ok, if this is true.......Hell HAS FROZRN OVER.
Sat May 16, 2026, 11:34 AM
20 hrs ago

😳 😵‍💫 😳

3825-87867

(2,018 posts)
71. Democrat now? Belief?
Sat May 16, 2026, 11:58 AM
20 hrs ago

Only if there are live MSM Cameras on all channels actually watching his vote as it's cast!

Glaisne

(658 posts)
72. Regarding Government, Democrats believe
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:12 PM
20 hrs ago

that government can and should be a positive force for ordinary people. Government should provide a safety net for people to guard against unfortunate events, should provide retirement security, health care, protect our air, water, environment, guard against predatory companies and financial institutions, provide for the general welfare, and so on. Being for limited government means oligarchs and giant corporations take over and run everything. The irony being that oligarch government is not limited except for them, but rather intrusive and oppressive for the benefit of the oligarchs. Democrats believe in government that serves the people's interests not the interests of money, regardless of size.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,583 posts)
73. The world turned upside down.
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:13 PM
20 hrs ago

The things my 2003 self would not believe.

That and the son of Robert F. Kennedy being a bootlicker for fascists.

But hey, I'll take what we can get.

Always knew Trump was a piece of shit, though. Even before he turned political.

SergeStorms

(20,803 posts)
74. They're ice skating in hell right now.
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:33 PM
19 hrs ago

After all, Bill, you helped pave the way for that grifting scumbag to be in the White House.

Oh, and I don't trust you one iota. You'd turn your back on all of your "transformation" in a nanosecond if it meant you were closer to the reins of power. 🖕

Soul_of_Wit

(143 posts)
81. The Democratic Party is now the conservative party
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:54 PM
19 hrs ago

Democrats are now trying to preserve the small-L liberal gains of the past century. It is the radical right trying to undo the 250-year experiment that is America. Some of the never trumpers are realizing that the republic is threatened by their old political party.

Nanjeanne

(6,639 posts)
85. I don't give a shit. I guarantee Kristal would never support the democratic policies I want in the Dem platform.
Sat May 16, 2026, 01:31 PM
18 hrs ago

He has to got to add a lot more “Pros” to his resume to become a real Democrat.

Nanjeanne

(6,639 posts)
109. Not sure what policies are considered "etc. etc." As I said I want more than those 3 policies he already mentioned.
Sat May 16, 2026, 09:34 PM
10 hrs ago

It’s lovely that he hates Trump and isn’t happy with the Trump MAGA group. He made it so he should fight to get rid of it. But I guarantee he would choose any Kasich, Romney etc etc came along he’d be right there with them. Im quite sure he views Ronald Reagan as the model he’d like to follow. Not the Democrats that I contribute to. Before Trump 2.0 he was a strong voice of the conservative movement and traditional Republican policies. He championed limited government, free markets, "hawkish" foreign policy, and social conservatism. Not my kind of Democrat

You are free to welcome him in with your open arms. As you can read I said I don’t give a shit. Not YOU.

J_William_Ryan

(3,564 posts)
92. Democrats are advocates of limited government.
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:04 PM
18 hrs ago

What Republicans have always failed to understand is that limited government is far much more than just reckless, irresponsible tax cuts and deregulation.

GoodRaisin

(11,053 posts)
106. Kristol may say that, but what really has happened is his party can no longer legitimately call themselves
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:05 PM
13 hrs ago

Republicans. They do not support a republic form of government. They clearly support a fascist form of government.

Their party has changed, not Bill Kristol, and ideologically speaking he has no party to go to.

ZZenith

(4,476 posts)
95. Smarmy weasel.
Sat May 16, 2026, 02:37 PM
17 hrs ago

“I am thoroughly opposed to this awful mess in which I had a large part creating..”

MurrayDelph

(5,774 posts)
101. To paraphrase The Politics Bar
Sat May 16, 2026, 03:28 PM
16 hrs ago

You're welcome to ride the bus with us, for now, but you have to do some amend-making to prove you're legit before we let you near the controls.

Deminpenn

(17,575 posts)
105. Perhaps this portends a political realignment of
Sat May 16, 2026, 06:47 PM
13 hrs ago

The US from center-right to center-left. The new GOP would be the never-Trumpers, " Rockefeller" , Rs and conservative Dems. It would be more liberal and open-minded than it is now.

The new Dems would be much more progressive and in the FDR model of sweeping changes.

Most of MAGAs would throw in with the Libertarians and other fringe parties.

WarGamer

(18,854 posts)
111. Historically the neocons started out as dems...
Sun May 17, 2026, 01:08 AM
7 hrs ago

Not exactly a flex I'd be proud of, Bill!


Neoconservatism originated in the late 1960s and 1970s as a movement of disillusioned, anti-communist Democrats. Originally New Deal liberals, these intellectuals rejected the Democratic Party's leftward drift, the counterculture, and the non-interventionist foreign policy that emerged in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.

Maru Kitteh

(31,993 posts)
114. I've become a regular listener of Bill Kristol. Which initially felt SO WRONG.
Sun May 17, 2026, 08:16 AM
2 min ago

I once recoiled at the sound of his voice. Now I actively listen to his take on latest developments. How strange this world is become.

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