Elon Musk's Ex, Ashley St. Clair, Confirms He Rigged the 2024 Election

[liberalla]

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Elon Musk’s Ex, Ashley St. Clair, Confirms He Rigged the 2024 Election Using Technology

from ThisWillHold.

This is about yesterday’s breaking news:

"Ashley St. Clair—Elon Musk’s ex-girlfriend and the mother of one of his children—took to TikTok seemingly to relieve her conscience over what she says was Musk’s technological interference in the 2024 election.

At one point during the full 15-minute video, she states: “If you thought Cambridge Analytica was bad, it’s nothing compared to this technology… it’s destroying democracy.”

Earlier in the recording, St. Clair acknowledges the harm caused by her role as a pro-MAGA influencer, even explaining how “Dark MAGA” came to be. She describes gifting Elon the black hat he later wore to the now-infamous rally, after which he began texting her updates in real time as events unfolded.

She then pivots to the election conversation, beginning in October 2024."

There is an excerpt from the video: (video at link)


I just saw this new post from TWH. I'm about to leave for work...
I haven't been able to read it all --- but I know half of DU will want to see this, and the other half will not (to put it mildly).



*** Editing to add video

This video from Politics Girl, Leigh McGowan, makes the point that it's reasonable to question -- not crazy.
She even includes the 2024 election...

[EdmondDantes_]

1. Another lie from this substack

Notice the source said it was a more powerful version of what Cambridge Analytical did. That is used social media to persuade people to vote for Trump. That's not vote rigging or changing votes. To jump her statement to rigging votes is fundamentally dishonest.

Her other statements about Musk saying he knew early Trump would win, exit polls and having good estimates on what turnout you predict you need are things. Also Musk regularly lies to boost himself. It's not out of the question he was just bullshitting to make himself seem more important.

There's nothing here to support their breathless conclusions and given their consistent lies, no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[DV1]

4. So, you're saying conclusively

that the election was NOT rigged.

[EdmondDantes_]

7. Based on all the available evidence no it wasn't

Evidence that it wasn't rigged

Post election audits.
Election results in line with polls.
We won a bunch of down ticket races including in states Harris lost.
The conspiracy would require Democrats in the election process to be incompetent or corrupt.
The Harris campaign and the Biden administration didn't complain.
The people claiming it was rigged have presented lies and overstatements.

Evidence it was rigged
None that has stood up to scrutiny.

Sure in theory all the evidence could be wrong, but in theory there could be Martians living under the surface but nothing supports that.

[paleotn]

15. So your asking them to prove a negative?

That's not how this works. Might as well asked them to prove Santa doesn't in fact exist. How this is supposed to work is you make the claim, YOU back it up with evidence.

So far the evidence is very, very thin amounting to merely claims without evidence. Given the complexity, variability, and size of the US election system, a rational view is more than likely it wasn't tampered with directly. With the power of social media, you really don't have to.

[Permanut]

77. This. Straight generic nonpartisan logic.

[Miguelito Loveless]

28. I so wish it were

But we have to face the fact that 33% of the electorate opposed fascism, 34% supported fascism, and 33% didn't vote, so they chose fascism by default.

Using social media to sway people is disinformation/propaganda, not vote "rigging". "Rigging" an election is very hard and very illegal when you get caught. Voter SUPPRESSION and LYING is VERY effective and entirely LEGAL.

[ToxMarz]

11. They seem to throw around the word "rigged" a lot to garner attention

Anything could be deemed "rigging" if that's useful, but it is by definition not. What they should be saying is "influenced". Which no doubt he did. That's what campains are for, to influence voting. These are however shady forms of influence being orchestrated corruptly in many cases. While not correctly identified as rigging, they should be addressed and some sort of accountablity or regulation put in place. But for them, the more they throw around the idea that elections are rigged, no matter the context, it works to their advantage.

[Scrivener7]

57. That's a really weird miss-statement of what Cambridge Analytica did.

[EdmondDantes_]

60. No it isn't

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/07/the-great-hack-facebook-cambridge-analytica/

Not one thing about changing cast votes. Just helping send targeted messages to persuade people to vote for Trump. If you have something that says Cambridge Analytica changed votes after they were cast, feel free to share. Otherwise I was accurate. Campaigns to get people to do a thing isn't illegal. We all get targeted advertising constantly on the Internet. It sucks and it's manipulative, but that's advertising. Drinking Bud Light isn't going to make me the center of attention at a party, but every ad of theirs sells that image.

Internet advertising has lots of privacy violations, but we don't have a data privacy law in the US. It's gross and immoral, but it's not illegal and it's not changing votes after they were cast or stuffing the ballot box which is what rigging requires.

[Scrivener7]

62. Yes it is.

They did a lot more than "persuading people to vote for Trump."

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[EdmondDantes_]

63. Nothing in there about changing cast votes

Just really effective psychology at getting people to change their mind.

Please point me to anything that says they changrd cast votes or stuffed the ballot. Otherwise, there's really nothing there but a semantic argument.

[Scrivener7]

64. Your argument was that all they did was "persuade people to vote for Trump."

There's a lot more to it than that, including accessing, without consent, the personal data, contact information and posting history of just about every American who uses Facebook. Then giving that information to military-trained psy-op teams with the express purpose of fucking with the posters' heads and radicalizing them.

[CrispyQ]

102. To me, "rigging" implies messing with the vote count, not spreading/targeting ads/propaganda/lies.

People need to sharpen up & not be so easily influenced. They need to be their own influencer.

[Scrivener7]

103. I'm not sure who among us could withstand it if we were selected without our permission

or knowledge and then psychologically manipulated by people who have military training in psychological manipulation.

[CrispyQ]

107. I don't know anything about psy-ops

but I have a hard time believing I could be swayed to vote for anyone with the morals of Trump or the Republican party in general. Maybe these people don't have very strong convictions? I still hold people need to sharpen up.

[Scrivener7]

114. They also targeted Bernie supporters and weak Democrats to cement their decisions not to vote for Hillary.

[CrispyQ]

116. Two can play that game...if we would. Why don't we? -nt

[live love laugh]

79. Who claimed votes were changed?

[EdmondDantes_]

86. That's what the people claiming the original video was proving when they say righed

Otherwise it's just influence as most everyone else understands.

The breathless nonsense from the substack is that this proves Musk fixed the vote. There's nothing in what they provided that even approaches that.

[Blue Full Moon]

66. Trump and Musk already admitted so this is conformation.

This needs to be investigated. Also corresponds to the Starlink.

[BComplex]

78. And trump telling his audiences that they didn't need to show up to vote?

That he already had all the votes he needed....a MONTH before the election? His saying that elon musk knew how to program the computers in Pennsylvania to insure trump won there? All those were just bluffing?

And the fact that Elon and his boys stole everyone's data from the IRS and Social Security? The Medicare office sent me a letter that Medicare had been compromised and I needed a new Medicare number and they sent me a new card.

I am so sick and tired of people buying the commercial line that the elections are safe. Until there is massive control over all election machines and the central tabulators, and their internet connections are backed up with hand counts, where every single precinct is securely audited, and where machines are locked down with properly investigated software without anyone being able to get back in, and until we are truly screwed with our heads in the sand.

There are trillions of dollars at stake! Do you really think nobody is going to try to mess with that? How can our country be so obtuse as to think there aren't bad actors after what we've seen since 2016?

[LymphocyteLover]

98. It's complicated, but first tRUMP is a moron who says all kinds of stupid crap to mess with people

On a practical level, with all votes controlled by thousands of individual counties, it's essentially impossible to really rig an election across the country. You might be able to change votes in a few key places to swing a super close election but it's not really feasible to make a large swing like happened in 2024 towards tRUMP.

Absolutely people will try and have tried to mess with our elections. But manipulating a massive presidential election is not possible the way things are set up now.

[LymphocyteLover]

97. Yes. ALSO promoting the rigged election idea is a way to make voters apathetic because they think

their votes won't matter

[questionseverything]

104. Obama said, " We have to come out in numbers so big, there's no doubt "

Of course we still had the white hats protecting us, who can forget rove’s on air meltdown when his “surge “ didn’t appear!

[Johonny]

2. Conspiracy theories targeting MAGA is perfect

These low info voters are an easy target and we're seeing significant fracturing of the "MAGA" movement. They don't need to vote Democratic if they don't vote at all, it's a win.

[RetiredParatrooper]

3. BlueAnon

Don't get distracted with stuff you can do nothing about without control of the House or Senate.

Focus on the task at hand.

[questionseverything]

51. American citizens overseeing their own vote count is what the founders

Thought would protect the country

Unfortunately we have let corporations ( owned by 1%ers) take over our vote counting process and as you can see from this thread even questioning those corporations brings out the “swarm “

[yellow dahlia]

84. Ah yes - the "swarm".

I'm cataloguing it for future use, if I may.

[mr715]

5. Bull. Lies. Nonsense. Please delete.

[31st Street Bridge]

52. Yeah, how dare anyone think Trump & Co would do something underhanded!

How DARE they?

[mr715]

54. Implicitly accusing both Biden and Harris of ineptitude and/or malevolence

[yellow dahlia]

85. No one is accusing Biden or Harris of anything.

I do not know who kiboshed the idea of paper ballot recounts, as many of us were pushing for. I have speculated it was the "consultant class" - but that is merely the likely suspects...not direct knowledge.

Did Harris listen to the strategists? I don't know. But the strategists have been known to tout the absurd idea that questioning the results of the election makes one look like a "crazy" election denier - an argument without merit.

I have seen that assertion made so many times. No - there is no direct link between questioning the election results and accusing Biden and Harris of malevolence or ineptitude. Putting thoughts in the minds of posters? I think they call that a straw man argument.

[ancianita]

6. Dems/some group need to subpoena her and obtain a bench warrant for all the real time texts she got from Musk.

No one can really prove what Musk has done, unless it's through discovery in a federal court or ... Unless the NSA has access to his Starlink and low orbit satellite system codes.

We DU'ers knew Musk was dangerous in 2024. When Biden invited his Facebook followers to text him (and gave his number), I wrote him this on Nov 9 ... Just thought I'd put this out there because at the time, the "tabulator issue" in battleground states was being kicked around on DU.

I deeply believe that you can still lead the nation by example -- to send a final message to the nation about oligarch rule through the White House.

In your last 70 days,

-- have the State Department permanently revoke Elon Musk's citizenship due to the fact of his lying on his application about the fact of his undocumented status;

-- have the U.S. Treasury permanently ban Musk from conducting business with the U.S. and its allies;

-- have yourself as commander-in-chief revoke Trump's citizenship for proving himself a national security threat by his continued communications with Vladimir Putin, who has been declared an international criminal by the International Criminal Court under the Rome Statute articles: (8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii); article 25(3)(a); article 28(b).

-- order Musk and Trump be deported to the Russia-Ukraine front, from which the Russian president can retrieve them if he so wishes.

The soul of this nation needs some grace to live through a dark time ahead, and you have the humility and courage to help.

The nation might survive its rule of law battles but lose the war with Mammon.

Thank you for reading. Thank God for your forty years of leadership.

P.S. Musk's successors at Space X and its subsidiary Starlink can be his chief engineers, signed on as agents of current contracts.

[Bluetus]

37. AND an order to take custody of all the ballots in all of the voting locations that showed the vote-flipping pattern.

[FakeNoose]

8. K & R bookmarking

Thanks for posting this, I never would have seen it otherwise.

We ALL suspected as much, but she spells it out for us. I wonder if "something" will happen to her?

[FascismIsDeath]

9. Don't be gullible. This is how THEY act when THEY lose.

I'd prefer we be the sober adults in the room and not try to comfort ourselves with obvious lies.

[Wiz Imp]

10. More bullshit for This Will Hold

She never confirmed "He Rigged the 2024 Election Using Technology". They even admit that in their text:

The implication here is that St. Clair believed Musk was involved in something improper or illegal and wanted plausible deniability.

An implication of what she believed is NOT confirmation of anything. They are simply interpreting something she said to serve their own purposes.

This will Hold is 100% disinformation.

[ancianita]

17. AMEN!

[ProfessorGAC]

12. I'm Certain This Is Accurate

Of course, by accurate, I mean completely made up.

[ananda]

13. And the other half is not suprised.

This was never a secret really.

[tritsofme]

14. The addiction to these conspiracy theories is really quite pathetic.

[ancianita]

18. Conspiracy 'theories" can become investigations, which can then become allegations, and/or filed charges. There is

a difference between plausible conspiracy theories (when evidence is hidden but still searched for) and impossible conspiracy theories (that no amount of science or investigative skills can support).

Conspiracy theories like Jewish space lazer beams haven't turned up anything because there's been nothing to turn up.
Conspiracy theories like Starlink's likely having uploaded and downloaded data, including code, can indeed be investigated.

[mr715]

19. Believing a theory a priori because it makes you feel good

undermines the nature of investigation and truth seeking.

There is no difference between jewish space lasers and Elon uploading code into starlink.

They are both based on nothing and nonsense.

[ancianita]

25. It isn't just the believing that makes them so. Belief based on what's probable can, through effort, change a "theory',

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Not so with effort made on a belief in the impossible, which melt away much sooner than the former kind.

[mr715]

31. I guess I distinguish between "belief" and "believing"

Hope vs. Cope.

[yellow dahlia]

87. I can't speak for anyone else, but nothing about this scenario makes me feel good.

I would much rather that if our Democracy and our country were being destroyed, that it was at least being done by someone who was legitimately elected.

Feel good? The truth is often painful...but I (for one) seek it anyway.

[EdmondDantes_]

23. And what's the difference given those both have the same corroboration?

Everything we've seen from this substack has been disproven. These claims vastly over state what St Clair actually said to the point of being dishonest. Given the history of the substance being dishonest, why should this be given any benefit of the doubt?

[ancianita]

27. I hear you.

You make fair points. And yet the high credibility lies in Musk's Starlink's upload/download history of data and code. Which, for plausible deniability's sake, Muxk wouldn't breathe a word about even to Trump, nevermind an ex.

[Wiz Imp]

49. The Starlink Conspiracy Theory was debunked long ago

See post #47

also:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/11/13/fact-check-was-elon-musks-starlink-used-to-rig-the-us-election

https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/18/conspiracy-theory-starlink-election-results/

https://abc30.com/post/starlink-system-is-not-connected-voting-machines-tulare-county-elections-office-says/15541598/

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-starlink-election-fraud-claims-blue-anon/

[Bluetus]

40. The people who continue to deny this operation occurred have no clue about the technical issues involved

This was all very much within the skill set of the Starlink and Palantir people. And it would not have taken many people. A team much smaller than the DOGE kiddies would have been plenty, if they were the right ones.

[Wiz Imp]

47. Musk's Starlink Was Not Connected to Vote Tabulation

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/11/musks-starlink-was-not-connected-to-vote-tabulation-contrary-to-online-claims/

Musk’s Starlink Was Not Connected to Vote Tabulation, Contrary to Online Claims
Quick Take
Elon Musk’s Starlink system helped provide internet access to communities affected by the recent hurricanes. But online posts spread baseless claims that Starlink “uploaded votes in swing states” and helped Donald Trump win the election. Experts said voting machines are not connected to the internet during tabulation; one state election official called the claims “utter garbage.”

Full Story
President-elect Donald Trump won the presidential race propelled by victories in all seven swing states. Trump not only won the electoral college, but he is ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris in the popular vote by about 2.6 million votes, as of Nov. 18.

In a statement days after the election, Jen Easterly, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, or CISA, wrote, “As we have said repeatedly, our election infrastructure has never been more secure and the election community never better prepared to deliver safe, secure, free, and fair elections for the American people. … Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure.”

Nevertheless, baseless accusations of 2024 election interference have spread on social media. Most recently, claims from partisan users are targeting Elon Musk’s Starlink system, a division of SpaceX that provides satellite-based broadband internet.
............

[reACTIONary]

81. Jeeze, not this shit again. Starlink is just an ISP....

... an Internet Service Provider. It routes messages from one place to another. It can't do anything more than you, yourself, can do from the comfort of your own home, using any ISP out there. If investigating Starlink and Musk is justified, then investigating Verizon, Xfinity, et al, and anyone who has an internet connection is also justified.

Voting machines and tabulators are air gapped; they are not connected to the internet. Data transfers, including machine code, require physical access to the machine and can't be done via satellite - neither Musk's nor Italy's.

[ancianita]

110. Incorrect.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=21248389

[reACTIONary]

115. Jeeze, not this bullshit again redux....

.... how does the ability to make a cell phone call through a satellite give musk the ability to change or access an air gapped vote tabulator? And if it did, why wouldn't anyone with a cell phone be able to do the same. Using a regular cell tower, no satellite needed.

Why do we waste our time and energy on this blueAnon BS?

[Kid Berwyn]

21. Sure, it's not like the government is hiding flying saucers from the public.

Or Uncle Sam lies America into illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars for profit.

Or Epstein being protected from the law since way before Iran-Contra.

And yet, here some are amazed at what criminals in government service did and do.

[Bluetus]

43. It is discouraging that so many people here are in such deep denial

These MFers are evil. Trump is a dumb ass, but Musk isn't, and he can put together -- and reward handsomely -- teams to do these kinds of things.

These same people don't seem to have trouble understanding that Erik Prince and his Blackwater MFers were for real, and still ARE F-ing with the rest of the world on the US taxpayer's dime. But that's because guns are easier to understand than computer systems and invisible networks.

The level of denial here really is shameful, considering that there wasn't a single recount, not a single effort of any sort by the DNC to follow these claims. Our friends here are, unbelievably, willing to not even look into the possibility that Musk and Trump actually did what they said they were going to do to the 2024 election. Yet they will come here every day and debate polls and messaging. NONE OF THAT MATTERS if there is a person who can do what St. Clair described.

[yellow dahlia]

89. If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen...

and for it to slide by without scrutiny. (At the risk of repeating myself.)

[yellow dahlia]

88. They will always do whatever is necessary to reach their goal.

And people need to be alert - they will do it for the midterms as well.

If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen and for it to slide by without scrutiny.

[littlemissmartypants]

45. Wasting precious time ...

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on such, when we should be using the time building our voter base to hatch and execute our winning plans is the most pathetic of all.

[Fil1957]

16. Maybe I'm missing something, but all that story says is that Musk knew the results of the election earlier than he

should have. Not that he tampered with the vote..

[Botany]

24. If musk knew the vote early he was tampering with the election and was into the Central Tabulators and the

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Operating Systems of Dominion Voting Systems and E.S.&S. Voting Systems. The story is that firmware patches were placed onto those systems and his DTC Starlink low earth orbit satellites allowed for that.
I personally think that it went well beyond just looking @ the voting results but just by looking @ that
vote early was a clear violation of the law. The returns from voting are put out by the Sec. of State’s
office not by some billionaire dirt bag.

Google DTC Starlink.

[ancianita]

30. Coincidentally, the internet shut down for hours across states in months running up to Nov 2024. More than one source

has examined why 2024 was a year of many internet shutdowns.

2024 Worst Year For Internet Shutdowns Since 2016
RTTNews
https://www.rttnews.com › 2024-worst-year-for-internet-...

Why 2024 Was The Worst Year for Internet Shutdowns
Tech Policy Press
https://techpolicy.press › why-2024-was-the-worst-year...


Government-forced internet disruptions hit record high
Axios
https://www.axios.com › Technology


Global elections in 2024: Internet traffic and cyber threat ...
The Cloudflare Blog
https://blog.cloudflare.com › elections-2024-internet

[yellow dahlia]

90. It is a detriment to a fair and accurate election, when people refuse to question that which defies logic.

If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen and for it to slide by without scrutiny. (I've taken to repeating myself.)

[Botany]

20. O.K. which one of these things is wrong?

January 2024 — Musk begins fast-tracking the launch of the new low-earth-orbit DTC constellation, a project that experts said should have taken 2+ years to build.
February 2024 — Musk files paperwork for his America PAC. (So his support had nothing to do with the “assassination” attempt as claimed.)
May 2024 — Peter Thiel funds Polymarket.
May 2024 — Eaton Corporation, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, announces a deepening relationship with Thiel’s Palantir.
July 2024 — Musk launches America PAC, a voter-information harvesting and Trump fundraising operation, using Republican Chain Bridge as its financial institution.
September 2024 — Eaton, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, partners with Elon Musk and Tesla.
October 4, 2024 — Republican bank Chain Bridge launches its IPO.
October 5, 2024 — According to The New York Times, Elon Musk texts a friend, who we now believe to be St. Clair:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.” An hour later, he adds: “This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”

October 7, 2024 - Musk laughingly tells Tucker Carlson in an interview: “If Trump loses I’m fu*cked. How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
October 30, 2024 - the DTC satellites launch, activating the constellation of 265 units, less than a week before Election Day.
October 30, 2024 — Republican Chain Bridge Bank shares surge to more than three times average trading volume.
October 30, 2024 - Peter Thiel’s Polymarket predicts the exact outcome of the presidential election.

Trump, I don’t need anymore votes. He said that 3 times on the campaign trail.
Musk, I have a special app that lets me see the results early.

[mr715]

22. Where is the evidence beyond vibes?

[Botany]

33. Almost every one of those points can be ..

... checked out with a simple search.

[Botany]

67. Authentic Frontier Gibberish

[ancianita]

34. Love the plausible timeline. But is there a credible link to make the timeline credible? Here's what DTC Starlink is

from Google DeepMind:

Starlink Direct to Cell (DTC) is a satellite-to-mobile technology that turns orbiting Starlink satellites into space-based cell towers. It enables standard, unmodified smartphones to connect directly from space, eliminating coverage gaps in dead zones without requiring bulky satellite phones.

How It Works

Cell Towers in Space: Starlink satellites are equipped with advanced 4G/LTE modems (eNodeB). They hover in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) about 320 to 530 kilometers above the Earth, communicating directly with your phone using your carrier’s standard frequencies.

No Equipment Needed: You do not need to purchase specialized hardware, a new device, or download any special apps. Your phone connects automatically when outside.

Phased Rollout: Services are being rolled out gradually in phases: first offering SMS text messaging, followed by data capabilities (like iMessage, WhatsApp, and Google Maps), and eventually voice and video calling.

Current Capabilities & Limitations: Because mobile phones don't transmit with heavy power, DTC requires a clear line of sight to the sky. Indoor reception can be poor as thick walls, roofs, and dense foliage can block the signal.

Bandwidth: Data speeds are limited and are intended primarily for emergency SOS, coverage in remote areas, or light communication, rather than high-definition video streaming.

Network Partners SpaceX has partnered with major wireless carriers around the world to offer this service to their existing subscribers.

In the United States, T-Mobile is the primary launch partner, offering coverage in previously unreachable areas using the T-Mobile Satellite Phone Service network. Other global partners include Rogers (Canada), One NZ (New Zealand), Salt (Switzerland), KDDI (Japan), and Entel (Chile/Peru).

[LudwigPastorius]

35. Also, lasers have fuck-all to do with Starlink's potential to interfere with voting machines.

The Starlink network does not use lasers to communicate with the earth. It uses radio waves, like almost all commercial satellites. Starlink ground stations then send the signal to conventional internet servers to be distributed around the globe.

If somebody were to try to fuck voting machines (most, by law, are never connected to the internet), there would be no reason to originate the attack from satellites because it's just an extra unnecessary step.

I'm sure Elon Musk's mention of "space lasers" to this influencer person wasn't him trolling her. It's not like he has a lengthy public record of lying to people.

[ancianita]

65. Of course not. It's was an EXAMPLE of an impossible to prove conspiracy theory. The Starlink connection is through

cell towers, not the Internet. So whether the tabulator are or are not connected to the Internet, Starlink can still access them. There's no other material reason why Trump and Musk said they knew the outcome early. None.

[Botany]

117. This was not about the voting machines but about the tabulators which had firmware patches placed ..

… on them. For Musk to admit that he had a “special app” that let him see the vote early
he was admitting to hacking into the guts of our voting operations. The voting returns
are never supposed to be made public until after the close of voting is over and that data is
released by the Secretary of State. Usually the first release of the returns are from mail in and
absentee ballots

The firmware patches and Musk’s DTC Starlink allowed not only the viewing of the voting data
early but manipulation of that data and Peter Thiel/palantir’s digital janitor helped to hide the
deletion and the flipping of votes. The vote was also tampered with via the Post Office, voter
caging operations, and the tossing of mail in votes because of problems with signature matches
in mail in ballots. Which is bullshit because mail in ballots have a bat code on them that matches
up to voter’s registration @ the county BOE.

[LymphocyteLover]

99. it's not that anything is wrong there but there's simply no mechanism or proof that votes were changed there

on the scale needed

[Bluetus]

26. I will graciously accept apologies from people who accused me

of spreading CTs when I provided this exact same information a year ago.

A conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

A theory? No, not so much. This needs to come out fully or else we can never have real Presidential elections again.

To recap, Musk, Palantir, and ESS conspired to rig the 2024 election by introducing remote control over a relatively small set of tabulator machines at the precinct levels of swing states. This conspiracy has its roots in the takeover of ESS by Republican partisans decades ago, followed by decades of work at the state and county levels to get ESS implanted as the de facto US election system, representing over 70% of election systems nationwide and the majority supplier in 100% of the swing states.

The nature of the attack was to remotely control the tabulators that exist in every polling place that uses ESS. Musk identified the tabulators as the weak link because they were believed to be completely isolated from the outside world, and were not actually the "official" vote. The ESS systems uses paper ballots that can be recounted, so the tabulators were seen simply as a faster way to get results to the county HQ, and if there were controversies, the paper ballots could be recounted.

So the Musk plan was to use Starlink to establish remote control over the minimum set of tabulators required to flip the election. By August 2024, Musk had demonstrated the ability to take remote control over the tabulators, and it was at that point that Musk and Trump both started talking openly about "nobody knows more about the election counting computers than Elon Musk".

The exact level of ESS participation in this particular rigging operation is not clear. There is an implication that they were not tightly involved because the Trump people had multiple teams in the field commandeering tabulator machines ostensibly to reverse engineer them. This is the whole story of the Tina Peters case. ESS could have provided those details directly, and evidently did not.

What remained was a mathematical/statistical problem to determine which tabulators needed to be taken over (for purposes of active vote flipping, plus many others needed to be monitored on election day without actually flipping votes). The game was to dynamically determine (through reports of early voting and by monitoring the tabulation in real time) how many votes to flip. They needed to flip enough to get past any recount thresholds. That is where Palantir came in, as well as the above reference to Cambridge Analytica. This analysis was a lot more complicated, but that is what Palantir does. That is their core competency.

It all went as planned. On election day, Musk had an app on his phone that showed him how the vote flipping was going, so much that by 4PM, he proudly declared to friends that the election had already been won.

They hit their numbers, and not a single recount happened. Had anybody recounted, simply running the paper ballots through a tabulator known not to be compromised, election officials would immediately have seen that the reported results were all wrong -- that is to say, the down ballot numbers were not tampered with, only the Trump-Harris vote -- and there were radical disparities between Trump-Harris versus the down-ballot in a specific set of election sites, and those patterns were seen nowhere else. But none of these recounts happened and in all likelihood, the paper ballots have been destroyed by now,

The major elements of this scheme have been known for a long time and it is maddening that Democrats don't seem to even care, or perhaps they don't have the technical depth to put the pieces together.

So indeed, let's see the Dem post-mortem as Pelosi and Harris are calling for. Let's see if the DNC is totally oblivious or simply chose to ignore all of this.

[questionseverything]

29. All federal election material, by law has to be kept 22 months

[Bluetus]

36. Have you noticed that neither Musk nor Trump care about any laws?

If they executed the scheme I described above, also described by Ms. St. Clair today, do you think either Musk or Trump would be bothered by the destruction of the ballots. Any reasonable person should assume they have been lost, damaged, soaked in a flood, accidentally used as toilet paper or otherwise taken care of long ago.

And BTW, the election was 18 months ago. In 4 more months they can be destroyed legally. Is anybody going to do anything to try to preserve that evidence?

[mr715]

41. Have you noticed neither of them are able to chew gum

without ending up in dog shit?

[Bluetus]

58. No, I have not noticed that about Musk.

He has managed to make himself the richest person in the world, at least on paper.

And Trump has managed to accumulate several billion dollars in the past 14 months, mainly by completely disregarding laws.

Frankly I have very little patience for anybody arguing that our system of laws will prevail.

[questionseverything]

42. In my county in Illinois I can do a foia and look at the ballots for the last

Election ,

If that’s available to people in the area in question, they should do that but I was really surprised it’s not allowed that way everywhere…. Makes me wonder what they are hiding

[Bluetus]

46. Absolutely. Even if it isn't explicitly allowed by law

we could be filing cases to preserve those ballots and to make them available for inspection. To my knowledge that has not been done ANYWHERE.

And let me reiterate, the nature of this operation, as alleged was:
* To operate only in swing states because nothing else matters in Presidential elections
* To monitor many polling stations (without flipping votes) in order to have confidence in just how many votes to flip
* To actually flip votes in a relatively small number of voting locations

These are easy to identify because they show Trump winning by a much greater percentage than shown on the down-ballot races, and that pattern was essentially binary. The pattern existed very clearly from a specific set of tabulators, and nowhere else.

My guess is that there were several hundred ESS tabulators involved in flipping votes across all 7 ESS-dominated swing states. It isn't a huge number. But to make that work, we need politician who understand something about computers, a team of lawyers who understand even more about computers, and a cadre of judges who are able to make sense out of legal arguments involving complicated computer schemes. That's the problem. We've got very little of that.

[questionseverything]

50. Please don't be offended but I think we spend too much time trying to figure out "how "

And not enough time on the lack of transparency

It should not be up to the citizens to have to prove the government wrong, the government should have to prove their conclusions to us!

[Bluetus]

59. I'm not offended, but that sounds pretty quixotic to me

The opacity is intentional. Power does not give up power voluntarily.

I'm not against advocating for more transparency. But we have an election already underway right now. How do we know that Musk and Trump are not using these same tactics to rig the primaries. I have no reason to believe that is happening, other than the fact that they boasted of doing this with regard to the 2024 Presidential election, BEFORE, DURING, and AFTER the election. So we most certainly should not rule out the continued use of what worked before. Republicans always over-reach.

We can debate the merits of a focus on exposing the facts versus establishing new transparency las (which will likely be ignored), but at this point I'd welcome ANY action on this front. AFAIK, it has been completely ignored but 100% of the DNC and party establishment.

[questionseverything]

69. Hand counting paper ballots greatly reduces the chance of hacking

[Bluetus]

74. That will be a tough sell

Even using the ESS system, we don't usually get out of the polling place until 8PM -- and that is after arriving at 5AM. That is a long day.

In this case, the claim is that ESS installed a back door through the uninterruptible power systems they installed in many of the tabulators. To verify results, all you need to do is load the election day file into a tabulator known to not have a UPS and to have a factory reset software. Then you run the full batch of ballots through and see what the totals are. It could be done in under an hour and would put all of this to rest.

[questionseverything]

76. Maybe a compromise could be only hand counting the top two races?

Otherwise it’s swapping one non transparent process for another

[Bluetus]

80. I don't think people will accept such a delay

We are conditioned for instant results, and Musk/Trump took advantage of that. Trump's whole game is continuous chaos. If he can get through until tomorrow, he will do something else outrageous to get people sent in the opposite direction.

In most cases, the "winner" does not take office immediately. There is usually time after the election before the "winner" is seated. I could see a Federal law that says, any candidate receiving at least 25% of the votes can request a highly transparent manual count of the ballots from up to 5% of the polling places, and the candidate gets to choose the sites that are recounted. And if this reveals any significant errors, then the candidate may request a complete manual recount.

But we still have a lot of places using those gawdawful systems that have no paper trail at all.

[questionseverything]

82. How long a hand count takes depends on the size of the precinct

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My precinct is 1500 voters, about 30 decks of cards, think how little time it takes to separate cards, count them

Certified results don’t happen for weeks anyway, sort and stack is quick and easy and

Transparent!

[EdmondDantes_]

105. It greatly increases the chance of inaccurate counts

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hand-counting-ballots

Hand counts fail when there are large numbers of ballots because humans are bad at tedious and repetitive tasks — the exact jobs computers are designed for. In a recent attempt to count ballots by hand, election workers initially counted one of every four ballots incorrectly — meaning the results were off by 25 percent, a discrepancy that can lead to the wrong candidate winning. Election officials routinely test voting machines before and after elections to ensure they are counting ballots correctly.

[questionseverything]

106. I'm talking small precincts counted by hand ( start with top two federal races)

The example you sight is completely different

And

I have long said honor roll 4th graders with out an agenda can do the counting

[EdmondDantes_]

118. I have evidence, you have a gut feeling

One of these should be used to make decisions, the other shouldn't.

[yellow dahlia]

94. Here are the questions I asked questionseverything.

Could someone organize folks in the important counties to do FOIA requests? I would be willing to help identify the relevant counties, and compile a list. And then we could organize others via this forum? Is that an idea?

[yellow dahlia]

93. Hhmmm. Could someone organize folks in the important counties to do FOIA requests?

I would be willing to help identify the relevant counties, and compile a list. And then we could organize others via this forum? Is that an idea?

[questionseverything]

101. It doesn't hurt to ask and if nothing else it would identify which election authorities were transparent and which aren'

T

[yellow dahlia]

108. If I could identify the counties that matter with some research,

and then could determine which make their data available to the public - that would be some interesting pieces of the puzzle. I am a research addict, so I will see if I can come up w/ anything. Other ideas?

[questionseverything]

111. Wisconsin jumps to mind, not because they are the most corrupt

But because of the kloppenberg recount
Which was sloppy and left many questions

And because of how close it’s been for years, Hillary lost by 21,000, Biden won by 22,000, and last go around, he whose name shall not be spoken, won by about 32,000

The thing is that ne corner has a lot of voting machines with those rolls on the side that take the place of ballots to count so even if you got pictures of the “ballots” I am not sure people would believe it… which of course should mean it’s not good enough for our democracy but ya know how that goes

[questionseverything]

112. Pick one, wether it's one county or one town or one precinct

You will be amazed how much paperwork is involved in a full audit

Or you oversee a group of volunteers that pick one each but you can’t prove anything if you don’t finish the unit

Ty 4 caring

[yellow dahlia]

113. I'm glad some of us are paying attention.

My moniker may be Yellow Dahila, but Mr. Dahlia would tell you I should be questionseverything2.

[yellow dahlia]

92. So there's still time...in theory.

[B.See]

73. And as I said when Bluetus posted that information,

I have absolutely no problem with further investigations into it, or with Democrats believing the 2024 election was stolen, specifically because Trump and Republicans refuse to this day to acknowledge 2020.

Yes, some might say we're better than that, but I say fk that - return the favour.

Trump and his MAGA made the idea of a "stolen 29290 election" the CENTERPIECE of their whole campaign, attempted an armed overthrow of government over it. Elected Republicans refused to say otherwise.

It's a notion that undoubtedly drove every other MAGA to the polls, and it's being used still, as cover for Trump appointed goons going into state offices to SEIZE ballots.

So I can think of nothing that'd chafe the GRIFTER-in-Chief's bum more than half the country believing he never won in the FIRST place.

What's good for the goose...

[yellow dahlia]

91. Thank you for this succinct summary and explanation.

[LudwigPastorius]

32. This is just embarrassing.

[BannonsLiver]

39. I'm not a big believer in this particular theory.

However, suspending disbelief for a moment if one were to examine this seriously two questions would need to be resolved.

1. What would have been the desire, aims, will for Elon Musk to alter election results? Would he want to do it in the first place?

2. Would he have had the ability to alter results?


The answer to question No. 1 is not debatable. Yes, he would absolutely alter results if given the opportunity. He’s made clear his views on Democracy. He’s also a very low character guy, which is also not debatable. So I feel comfortable in believing he would do it if he had the ability.

The answer to question No.2 is a solid “probably not”.

[questionseverything]

44. lol, is probably good enough?

Why not just look at the ballots?

With human eyes 👀

[BannonsLiver]

71. Sounds great.

But that’s not going to answer the question of how he did it. That’s also pretty relevant because if he did actually change tabulations in 2024 how it worked might be good to know before the next election.

[questionseverything]

72. No one has to change the tabulator, just to change what the spreadsheet reports

[danieljsf]

48. Abracadabra!

Magic vote-changing space technology!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

53. Ashley

is the real deal.

[LessAspin]

56. Down-ballot Discrepancies

This is why Trump complains so much about 2020

Trump knows the Fix was in for 2016 - 2020 - 2024

So he can't come to grips with the fact he lost so bigly in 2020 that Biden overcame the rigging. It's always projection with Trump..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[LessAspin]

61. Find 11,780 Votes

Trump was just asking for 11,780 votes

Is that so wrong

Link to tweet

[questionseverything]

75. This should be an op, very well put together

[yellow dahlia]

96. I second that motion.

[yellow dahlia]

95. Hear! Hear! I say it is harder to make the rigging work when there is a mandate.

I think The Grifter thought the fix was in for 2020, and when it didn't work - he went toddler ballistic.

[Celerity]

68. De rec this CT bollocks (& an attack on Biden, Harris, & Blue state leaders) from BlueAnon loons at This Will Hold

So depressing that this long debunked shit CT election denialist site gets so many recs here.

[Seeking Serenity]

70. Ashley St. Clair was a RW grifter until her money spigot got shut off.

She agreed to be one of Elon's baby-mamas in exchange for being set for life (she gets ≈$40k a month). A former Internet "it girl" who is trying to remain relevant. All her reported "confirmation" was just a bunch of vague-posting.

I don't trust her. I recommend everyone else do likewise. ✌️

[yellow dahlia]

83. I take away the positive call to action - we can DO something.

Things feel futile at times, especially when I think about the times someone should have done something, and didn't.

"Because all of this—gestures wildly in every direction—could have been avoided if Democrats had listened to the multiple experts warning that the election equipment had been compromised, demanded recounts, opened investigations, done literally anything."

There are members of Congress who have been standing up for the Rule of Law.

"And if there are members of congress who appear open to having this discussion—like Sen Andy Kim (D-NJ), Rep Ted Lieu (D-CA), and Rep Robert Garcia (D-CA), who have opposed legislation they believe harms the American people—we can reach out to them as well. Throw Thomas Massie (R-KY) in there for good measure; he’s clearly willing to stand on business and pursue transparency."

There are plenty of Dems right now who have been trying to save our Democracy and investigate the hard stuff. I would add Jamie Raskin, Chris Murphy, Melanie Stansbury, Chris van Hollen, Elizabeth Warren, Sheldon Whitehouse...to the list. We can always write emails and call.

Some of the methods to save our Democracy and our elections reside with the State Attorney Generals. Their contact info is at the end of the TWH article, hyperlinked at the top of the OP.

I am pleased that This Will Hold offers suggestions for being a part of the solution, in addition to sharing investigations and information.

[AStern]

100. Musk is an unrepentant LIAR and I'm not surprised he'd tell someone something like this.

Even so, it's totally believable.

[Trueblue1968]

109. Lock him up