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gab13by13

(32,803 posts)
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:17 AM 2 hrs ago

We Now Know With Certainty Why Krasnov Invaded Iran - Regime Change

1st let's look at what happened in Venezuela, the VP Delcy Rodriguez sold out Maduro, she gave the details to the US that led to the capture of Maduro, it was an inside job.

The plan was the same for Iran. The Israelis had convinced Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to sell out his country to the US. He agreed to allow Krasnov to install him as the president. The problem was that he was under house arrest so the people guarding him needed to be killed, but in the process Ahmadinejad was seriously wounded, the plan failed.

The main reason that the CIA was created in 1947 was to do regime change. The Objective for the US to invade Iran failed on Day 1.

The US has hated Iran because it would not pal up with them, either with its oil or allowing a US base there, etc. Iran rejected any cooperation with the US.

Remember what Krasnov said about the invasion of Iran, "I'll pick the next government."

I would be extremely worried if I were Ahmadinejad, what he did was treason against his own country. No word about Ahmadinejad's whereabouts, meanwhile Delcy is a US puppet and the leader of Venezuela. She better keep her people happy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sachs-us-israeli-plan-for-iran-failed-on-day-one-nyt-ahmadinejad-reporting-confirms-trump-has-already-told-us/ar-AA23PX0J?

Krasnov just claimed that the seized Venezuelan oil paid for the Iran war 25 times over. I must have missed it, when did Krasnov nationalize the fossil fuel industry? I didn't get my oil check yet, anyone else? Doesn't that seized oil money go to the fossil fuel industry and then they give big chunks of it to Krasnov to keep him in charge?

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Kid Berwyn

(25,128 posts)
2. PNAC Lives
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:22 AM
2 hrs ago

"Anyone can go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran."

It's no bug: The rich get richer.

ETA: Reason CIA created was to provide information to President Truman, not to serve as Global Chaos Agent. His words on the subject, printed briefly in WaPo and in a few other papers after the assassination of President Kennedy:



Limit CIA Role To Intelligence

By Harry S Truman
The Washington Post, December 22, 1963 - page A11

INDEPENDENCE, MO., Dec. 21 — I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.

I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility.

Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work.

But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions.

Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations.

I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating.

Since the responsibility for decision making was his—then he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset."

For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.

With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.

I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrity—and I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.

But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.

We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.

SOURCE: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html



That would be better known, but for some reason it got left out of the afternoon edition and out of most all of the nation’s other newspapers.

Lonestarblue

(13,564 posts)
9. Had Alan Dulles not spearheaded the overthrow of Iran's government in 1953, Iran might be an ally today.
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:37 AM
58 min ago

"But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere."

The CIA's operational duties have never been curtailed to my knowledge.

slightlv

(7,963 posts)
15. I can appreciate Truman's reasoning here, but just like
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:58 AM
37 min ago

Bush and his "Homeland Security" if you give people in any department...especially one you create specifically... the power will always go above and beyond what was intended. Money corrupts; but power corrupts even worse than money. And here we are... the CIA, DOJ, and FBI (as well as all the subsidiary policing forces) are allied against the very people they were suppose to protect.

We live now in a police state, where bad words against trump can get you arrested or killed. We no longer have rights and privileges as per our Constitution. That Constitution has been torn to pieces and taped back together as a quasi "rights of confederation" ala the Deep South.

That Truman and others couldn't see the dangers these departments would cause with a pitiful, sorrowful, reality-denying South is a demerit against any and all presidents who didn't try to rein in these departments. And that includes all parties. The best we can hope for now is to turn these agencies against trump, his administrative minions, and maga in general in order to make our country back into something of which it once resembled. And, once that is done, truly and really kill most of these departments. When we started imprisoning more people here in the US than they do in China, it should have been a red flag warning these policing powers were out of control.

Baitball Blogger

(52,733 posts)
3. If the Venezuelans realize that Delcy turned Maduro in, those in his inner circle
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:37 AM
1 hr ago

might do her in.

You know, the more you see how these Republican presidents with business backgrounds turn our country into muscle for their private interest, the more it becomes convincing that Cheney's push for oil in Afghanistan may have precipitated 9/11.

gab13by13

(32,803 posts)
4. Absolutely,
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:43 AM
1 hr ago

Along with the push for oil they install military bases in the country just to remind the leaders of those countries who is calling the shots.
Our military bases in the ME aren't there to keep us safe in America, they are there to keep our oil safe. One of the main reasons for Bin Laden's attack was our military bases.

Iran would never cooperate with the US.

Cheezoholic

(3,937 posts)
5. I believe it was to Jack the price of oil 100%. It pays off the onshore big oil donors who were next in line first
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:51 AM
1 hr ago

2nd, it pulled Putin out of the bottom of the well he was drowning in and in fact gave him enough breath's that once again Europe is considering Russia a greater threat than they were just 6 months ago. 3rd it puts pressure on Europe and NATO economically to the point that in combination with Eloon throwing his billions around over there supporting far right parties he could try and force regime change to leaders more friendly to him and weaken Europe in general. Not saying FatFuck thought this out that deep but the sinister minds that really pull the levers, this was a 100% positive play to enrich friends and themselves and to attempt to get far dicktaters in play and upset the balance of power in Europe which they see as enemy number 1 to them.

wnylib

(26,475 posts)
6. I thought that the position of president in Iran
Sat May 23, 2026, 08:53 AM
1 hr ago

did not hold much power and was mostly a figurehead role. Isn't the real power in the hands of the ayatollah who is designated the supreme leader?

GreatGazoo

(4,717 posts)
7. My scorecard looks very different
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:03 AM
1 hr ago

Oil was below $60, too low for the business. US/Israel were prepping for the second round with Iran so they push a narrative about fentanyl or whatever and then go in with their new heart attacks and pants-pooping sonic weapon and snatch Maduro. Delcy gets undermined as a sell-out so she can't rally Venezuelans. Oil promptly went back above $60 and going forward they can turn that tap off and on to keep the supply and prices where they want them. Venezuela is 20% of the world supply -- Hormuz is the path for a different 20%. If Hormuz closes you open the Venezuela tap. Different grade of oil but they will make it work longterm.

The Israelis and others convince DJT that Iran is primed for regime change with no invasion necessary. Kill the leadership, arm the Kurds, unleash the confederates, rally the populace and install Pahlavi. Return the diasporas, etc.

The CIA is a rebrand and expansion of the ONI. Control of ports, convert ops, fostering opposition and extremist groups, infilitration of decision making bodies and banking systems. The plan sold to DJT was never to invade Iran, eg 'the people will rise up and no invasion will be necessary.'

Iran has been prepping for this war for 47 years. Knew who they would be fighting. Knew our systems and techniques. Gamed it out. Buried their missiles. Pursued every asymetric weapons system. Created deep chains of leadership succession. They told the US exactly what they would do if attacked -- hit our bases in 9+ countries, close Hormuz. We hit them. They did what they said they would do. Now they are implying they will hit targets in the USA if we nuke them. Israel wants Iran nuked because they view this moment as existential and for them it is. eg if Iran is not beaten now then the ME is re-ordered and Israel is in bigger trouble. Likely Iran has gamed out being nuked also. So we are at brinksmanship and a stand off.

gab13by13

(32,803 posts)
10. Nice post, I like it,
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:46 AM
49 min ago

20% of the world's oil goes through Hormuz and yes the US can develop Venezuelan oil to counter that, but that will take some time.

Also, more than just oil tankers go through Hormuz, cargo ships also go through which will cause shortages.

I don't believe that the US or Israel had planned for Hormuz to be shut down for this long. Your statement about oil going through Hormuz being replaced elsewhere is valid, however, in the short term if Hormuz is still down on the 4th of July the shit is going to hit the fan across the world.

Maybe it wasn't Delcy who gave out the information about Maduro that led to his capture but someone on the inside did. Delcy can still rally the people if she wasn't the mole, but Venezuela isn't Iran military-wise. Delcy was pretty quick to cut oil deals.

AverageOldGuy

(4,180 posts)
8. And Iranians will never forget . . .
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:24 AM
1 hr ago

. . . The CIA coup that overthrew a popular government in Iran and installed the Shah:, who then gave away Iran’s oil to the west.

gab13by13

(32,803 posts)
12. Maybe if Democrats regain control of government
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:48 AM
47 min ago

they should designate the fossil fuel industry as domestic terrorists?

OGBuzz

(653 posts)
11. Why does the press never challenge Trump when he spews these absurd lies?
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:47 AM
48 min ago

If the Iran war has cost $30 billion, at $100 per barrel it would require 300 million barrels to cover the cost. To pay for it 25 times over would require 7.5 billion barrels of Venezuelan oil. Venezuela currently produces about 1 million barrels per day and the war has gone on for 85 days therefore Venezuelan oil would not have covered the cost of the war even straight up, let alone 25 times over.
We all exaggerate from time to time but Trump is on a whole different level and somehow he just keeps getting away with it..

onenote

(46,230 posts)
14. If that indeed was the "plan" it was a stupid plan from the get go.
Sat May 23, 2026, 09:55 AM
40 min ago

Even if Ahmadinejad had not been injured, the odds of his being successfully installed as Iran's president were approximately zero. They could kill the guards that were holding him under house arrest but they couldn't kill the thousands upon thousands of Revolutionary Guard troops who were loyal to the existing regime and the "Supreme Leader".

That doesn't mean it wasn't the plan -- the "strategy" for this war was not even half-baked. But it never had a chance of succeeding.

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