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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith respect to Doctor Biden's concern
that her husband may have been drugged before, or during, the ill-fated debate, dont forget how Trump hovered menacingly over Clinton during their debate.
hlthe2b
(114,828 posts)anything on that international trip to regulate sleep that might well have persisting effects in an 80+ year old man? (e.g., Ambien or Lunesta...? )
EdmondDantes_
(2,135 posts)It wasn't jetlag.
hlthe2b
(114,828 posts)have recovered in that amount of time unless he did not sleep during his "prep" time at Camp David.
I had thought the travel to the fundraiser was within a day or two of the debate, but no. He wasn't traveling during that last week.
But seeing him during that debate, he did act as though he'd been drugged. I see both strokes and the effects of Ambien and similar drugs in the elderly all the time coming through the ER. He seemed drugged to me. TIAs are possible, but he seemed more continuously "out of it," until the very end when he seemed to improve. Both argue for drug effects or severe sleep deprivation.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CLAIM JILL BIDEN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT RUSHING THE STAGE if she thought he'd had a stroke, as with all travel, Biden was accompanied by a WH physician who did not believe he/she was seeing signs of a stroke or at least not sufficient signs to pull him off the stage. It is protocol for ALL Presidents to travel at all times with a physician member of the WH staff. Biden confirmed after the debate that he had seen a physician (presumed immediately after or during travel afterwards back to the WH)
Fiendish Thingy
(24,218 posts)hlthe2b
(114,828 posts)CTyankee
(68,532 posts)At the time I thought President Biden had suffered a stroke, or a TIA, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know...
no_hypocrisy
(55,504 posts)in the Biden quarters.
Boomerproud
(9,383 posts)Creepy as hell. He was acting like a stalker and the mods did nothing.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,218 posts)And I dont see any connections between the 2016 debate and the 2024 debate.
Biden was drugged - he was recovering from a virus, and his campaign said at the time the cold medicine hed been taking made him a little fuzzy.
But he had been observably fuzzy for months prior to that debate, at a Hollywood fundraiser, on the Seth Meyers show (even with softball questions from Meyers) and other events witnessed by numerous people.
This is Jills version of her experiences of the campaign.
It is not the only story to be told, nor the only truth.
Those with critical thinking skills not blunted by blind loyalty can believe their own eyes and ears.
Melon
(1,774 posts)Hes the most heavily guarded man in the world with a doctor and sometimes multiple available at all times. It wasnt a stroke or it would be caught immediately. He returned from an international trip 12 days before. Its not jet lag. His awareness was being questioned leading up to the debate and his performance went far in confirming everything that was being said. Dragging this out now does nothing but further damage his legacy.
Pisces
(6,336 posts)talking, quit lying to us. This is making it worse. I am a Biden fan, hardcore dem but this is making me angry.
Mme. Defarge
(9,067 posts)Jill Biden Worried Her Husband Was Drugged on Debate Night
In a new memoir, Jill Biden describes her own shock and fear over the presidents calamitous performance.
By Toluse Olorunnipa
Pisces
(6,336 posts)diner afterwards. We do ourselves no favors by humoring her on this. Why are they even bringing this up right now when we need to be focused on the midterms!! We shouldnt be relitigating the past!!
bamagal62
(4,572 posts)To do something like that. I think they drugged him. It was just so odd for that not to be the case