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Buddyzbuddy

(2,962 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:29 PM 20 hrs ago

The overwhelming National debt is on purpose.

The waste is deliberate. He and the billionaire class are leaving America in a hole so deep and the Government so broken that it will be beyond repair. They want just enough for the defense budget and no more.

They want the chaos to be overpowering.
Social Security, broken.
Medicare, broken.
Veterans Affair, broken.
Affordable Care Act, broken.
Public education, broken.
Regulatory Agencies, broken.
Social Welfare programs, broken.

Congress will have nothing left to work with. This destruction is systemic and purposeful. And, we all know the Felon is too stupid to have come up with this on his own. This was the purpose of Project 2025. They allowed him to rob us, to entertain himself with destruction of gov't. property, to satiate his ego all while breaking our system. The billionaire class is largely responsible and must be held accountable.

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The overwhelming National debt is on purpose. (Original Post) Buddyzbuddy 20 hrs ago OP
Yes, it is overwhelming but these billionaires need productivity of others to feed their greed and that is why their in2herbs 20 hrs ago #1
"billionaires need productivity of others" Intractable 19 hrs ago #7
The data suggests otherwise. .... littlemissmartypants 18 hrs ago #19
So, they are cutting jobs based on the potential impact of future AI. Intractable 13 hrs ago #36
Whoa, cowboy. Nobody is trying to correct anyone. ... littlemissmartypants 7 hrs ago #38
There will be no billionaires without customers and workers. CBHagman 3 hrs ago #51
So, you are saying there are no billionaires now? Intractable 2 hrs ago #56
they are counting on a bubble and the inevitable privatize profits and socialize losses JT45242 3 hrs ago #52
Fewer workers, Mme. Defarge 6 hrs ago #40
Trump Tax Cuts and BBB created a hole in the budget. bucolic_frolic 20 hrs ago #2
Transfer of funds lame54 20 hrs ago #3
They've been doing this for 50 years. Ramped it up hard after 9/11 when nobody was looking n/t Cheezoholic 20 hrs ago #4
That's the Bain Capital / Blackrock / vulture capitalist model. Bleed them till they're dry erronis 20 hrs ago #5
firmly capitalist rampartd 14 hrs ago #33
And behind it all popsdenver 46 min ago #58
i had thought we were evolving into corporate feudalism rampartd 40 min ago #59
And if Democrats win in 26 and/or 28, they will start pointing at it ms liberty 20 hrs ago #6
K&R Auggie 19 hrs ago #8
nothing a return to 90% top tax rate can't fix JMCKUSICK 19 hrs ago #9
I'd be in favor of MUCH more than just that...but its a mandatory first step. Moostache 3 hrs ago #47
The best time to tax a rich peop is after their death questionseverything 2 hrs ago #54
The Two Santa Claus Theory Just Jerome 19 hrs ago #10
Agreed. Completely sickening and evil LymphocyteLover 19 hrs ago #11
They won't be held accountable. They will leave the country. 1WorldHope 19 hrs ago #12
No apologies needed. Wednesdays 17 hrs ago #29
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is what capitalism does. BlueTsunami2018 19 hrs ago #13
They want to privatize every-thing Seinan Sensei 18 hrs ago #22
This is what unregulated, raw capitalism does. wnylib 15 hrs ago #31
George Carlin Whip-poor-will 11 hrs ago #37
It's a big club and we ain't in it! questionseverything 2 hrs ago #55
MAGA is destroying our country more than any foreign enemy could dream of IronLionZion 19 hrs ago #14
Most of the MAGAs don't even understand how they're being used by Chump and the other billionaires FakeNoose 18 hrs ago #15
I have talked to several MAGA dupes... Moostache 3 hrs ago #48
Yep, perfect storm fot these rapists traitors to destroy everything American. bluestarone 39 min ago #60
It goes back, way back before project 2025, its called The Two Santas Strategy ImNotGod 18 hrs ago #16
Yes, but the two Santa strategy was more political, imho. Buddyzbuddy 17 hrs ago #25
If so, they will learn to their bane the purpose of Social Security . . . Journeyman 18 hrs ago #17
The talking dollars have spoken: human beings don't matter Ponietz 18 hrs ago #18
YUP, ABSOLUTELY "RIGHT"! It's their secret long-term plan to wreck "socialist" safety net programs, Jack Valentino 18 hrs ago #20
When is the 'sacrosanct' "defense" budget on the block? RT Atlanta 18 hrs ago #21
Absolutely spot on. debsy 18 hrs ago #23
100% the get the rot out reset. Blue Full Moon 17 hrs ago #24
There will be no other choice than to enact extreme taxation policies on the billionaires and if they try to leave the ChicagoTeamster 17 hrs ago #26
i'd go one step farther rampartd 14 hrs ago #34
Rich enid602 17 hrs ago #27
Starve the Beast and shrink it to a size that can be drowned in a bathtub Martin Eden 17 hrs ago #28
add "the 2 santa claus theory" and we get to a $40T republican debt. rampartd 14 hrs ago #35
Wow, reading the comments..... Dan 16 hrs ago #30
In 2010 the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010 set up a trigger mechanism for automatic mandatory summer_in_TX 15 hrs ago #32
That's exactly their strategy. WestMichRad 7 hrs ago #39
Burning America to the ground has three goals: Botany 6 hrs ago #41
So just spend 80 billion more taxpayer dollars on ice. We're at what 250 billion? Akakoji 5 hrs ago #42
Agreed BlueWaveNeverEnd 5 hrs ago #43
This is ON the Republicans ONLY! Fucking Traitors dave99 4 hrs ago #44
The burn relogic 4 hrs ago #45
Yep and they have done this for decades and decades. Break it & say "gov't doesn't work" themaguffin 3 hrs ago #46
They do this every time Figarosmom 3 hrs ago #49
This has been a strategy since Reagan Quanto Magnus 3 hrs ago #50
Bingo. SergeStorms 3 hrs ago #53
Bingo! BurnDoubt 1 hr ago #57

in2herbs

(4,630 posts)
1. Yes, it is overwhelming but these billionaires need productivity of others to feed their greed and that is why their
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:31 PM
20 hrs ago

plan will fail.

Intractable

(2,501 posts)
7. "billionaires need productivity of others"
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 09:26 PM
19 hrs ago

Hence the big push for data centers to run the AIs that will replace us useless eaters.

littlemissmartypants

(35,011 posts)
19. The data suggests otherwise. ....
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:36 PM
18 hrs ago

Employees are being terminated, but AI isn't necessarily replacing them. It's more VC smoke and mirrors. Profit taking and cannibalism can only be successful for a brief window in time.

The people really do have the power. The question is, will they use it?


...most companies blaming AI for layoffs haven’t actually deployed AI capable of replacing the workers they let go. Not even close.
https://medium.com/@avigoldfinger/55-of-ceos-who-fired-people-because-of-ai-already-regret-it-d54487e3cbe3


It's just a pretext. It's been referred to as AI washing. The Harvard Business Review is one institution that did a study on this among others.

❤️

Intractable

(2,501 posts)
36. So, they are cutting jobs based on the potential impact of future AI.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 03:01 AM
13 hrs ago

Says it right in the article.

>> 60% had already reduced headcount in anticipation of AI’s future impact.

AI washing? So, the VC are playing financial games and blaming it on AI.

But, it's still layoffs because of AI, or AI concepts, or AI potential, or using AI as an excuse.

They are still building data centers at an exponential rate. So, more AI in the future. More AI due to billionaires. More people fired.

My post stands, as written, without your correction.

littlemissmartypants

(35,011 posts)
38. Whoa, cowboy. Nobody is trying to correct anyone. ...
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 09:21 AM
7 hrs ago

I was just trying to expand on your point. Slow down and take a breath.

Good grief.

CBHagman

(17,559 posts)
51. There will be no billionaires without customers and workers.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:46 PM
3 hrs ago

And hatred of AI and objection to data centers extend across political lines.

The future is not here yet, which is why we are compelled to act now.

Intractable

(2,501 posts)
56. So, you are saying there are no billionaires now?
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:03 PM
2 hrs ago

There are, and they have plenty of competing customers and workers on whom to be parasites for quite some time until it all collapses.

JT45242

(4,197 posts)
52. they are counting on a bubble and the inevitable privatize profits and socialize losses
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:47 PM
3 hrs ago

AI does not work well. And when it has to actually pay its overhead, it will collapse under the cost of electricity and water

bucolic_frolic

(56,144 posts)
2. Trump Tax Cuts and BBB created a hole in the budget.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:31 PM
20 hrs ago

Repeal TTT and BBB and the debt will shrink.

Cheezoholic

(4,024 posts)
4. They've been doing this for 50 years. Ramped it up hard after 9/11 when nobody was looking n/t
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:40 PM
20 hrs ago

erronis

(24,752 posts)
5. That's the Bain Capital / Blackrock / vulture capitalist model. Bleed them till they're dry
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:40 PM
20 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Jun 10, 2026, 09:10 AM - Edit history (1)

and then grab their asse(t)s.

Same as putin did in his rump USSR.

People talk about capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism. But this is just pure personal greed. No 'isms' needed.

Edited: from "till their dry". Why do I only catch these things the next day?

rampartd

(5,313 posts)
33. firmly capitalist
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:29 AM
14 hrs ago

one need not be a commie to oppose this extreme deregulated monopolistic form of capitalism.

popsdenver

(2,732 posts)
58. And behind it all
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 04:13 PM
46 min ago

are the corporations being run by the Oligarchs........

Coming soon, the renaming of our country to: The United Corporations of America, run by a bunch of FASCISTS.....

We are almost there folks..............

rampartd

(5,313 posts)
59. i had thought we were evolving into corporate feudalism
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 04:19 PM
40 min ago

but there will be no competition. no negotiation. no refusal of offers.

just like back in queens.

ms liberty

(11,430 posts)
6. And if Democrats win in 26 and/or 28, they will start pointing at it
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:42 PM
20 hrs ago

And labeling it a dire national emergency created by Democrats that must be dealt with immediately. Three guesses where the cuts would be..

Moostache

(11,322 posts)
47. I'd be in favor of MUCH more than just that...but its a mandatory first step.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:10 PM
3 hrs ago

The problem right now is that American billionaires actually believe their shit does not stink and they the fortunes they command are actually 100% due to their inherent greatness (not luck, circumstances, abuse of power and greed to name a few).

Tax the billionaires out of existence. The debt is a marge portion of the profits they have scammed from the overall economy anyway.

questionseverything

(12,147 posts)
54. The best time to tax a rich peop is after their death
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:02 PM
2 hrs ago

They have enjoyed their money and life and their kids have already had every possible advantage but

I don’t think the government should take more than half

No hiding money in corporations that never die, if corporations have rights like people they need to die like people

Like at 120 years old, liquidate half, pay the “ death tax” and move on

I’m not saying no taxes before death just the highest after death, the dead dude isn’t going to miss it!!

Just Jerome

(588 posts)
10. The Two Santa Claus Theory
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 09:44 PM
19 hrs ago

must be derailed. Only profound courage from the Democratic “leadership” can accomplish that.

1WorldHope

(2,197 posts)
12. They won't be held accountable. They will leave the country.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 09:54 PM
19 hrs ago

So long, farewell... We do not need billionaires in this country. We are the workers, the growers, the teachers, the doctors and the nurses. Fuck them all, we can start the fuck back over and this time justice and equality will be across the freaking board.
Sorry, I recently shared a carafe of margaritas with my friend.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,114 posts)
13. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is what capitalism does.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 09:55 PM
19 hrs ago

Extracting every last bit of wealth from the working class as possible and stealing all the tax money so no services can be provided. All the money goes to the same place, into the pockets of the owners.

Except for a short lull in the late 30’s, the 40’s and the 50’s when the white working class was given little bit of power in exchange for not having a full on proletarian revolution, this is the way it’s always been.

It’s never going to get any better until we force it to get better. And I just don’t know if the American People have it in them anymore.

wnylib

(26,673 posts)
31. This is what unregulated, raw capitalism does.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:07 AM
15 hrs ago

It's what happens when government is run like a business.

FakeNoose

(42,771 posts)
15. Most of the MAGAs don't even understand how they're being used by Chump and the other billionaires
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:17 PM
18 hrs ago

They are throwing their votes away while Chump ruins it for all of us.

Moostache

(11,322 posts)
48. I have talked to several MAGA dupes...
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:18 PM
3 hrs ago

Their loyalty is disgusting, their aversion to the truth is marrow deep and they honestly are a lost cause. There is a significant percentage of them that are literally as dumb as a rock, but their personal identity and self-worth is tied up in being on the "winning team" and they have swallowed the hook, line and sinker on Trump's Bullshit claims and propaganda backstory.

The single dumbest human being to achieve such power in a millennia has accelerated the decline start all the way back in the late-70's response to Watergate and the installation of Ronnie Raygun to be our first pretend President (followed later by Shrub and Two Scoops). This really dates all the way back to the right-wing revulsion at the New Deal and FDR's decisions and policies. Now, a century later, they have successfully dragged the country to the edge of oblivion behind a madman just sick enough to shove us over the edge for kicks... well and truly fucked is an apt description indeed.

bluestarone

(22,499 posts)
60. Yep, perfect storm fot these rapists traitors to destroy everything American.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 04:20 PM
39 min ago

THAT'S their plan. All of our saviors have been fired. Religious right are their accomplices!

Buddyzbuddy

(2,962 posts)
25. Yes, but the two Santa strategy was more political, imho.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:17 PM
17 hrs ago

Whereas, project 2025 is a specific strategy that is working to break the whole system as long as Congress does nothing. The two Santa strategy was meant to make Democrats look bad so the voters would favor Republicans. There is no two Santa Strategy in play here. It's just total destruction and no gifts to the common voter. Only the billionaire class is winning.

Journeyman

(15,494 posts)
17. If so, they will learn to their bane the purpose of Social Security . . .
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:29 PM
18 hrs ago

is to preserve the social order.

Jack Valentino

(5,322 posts)
20. YUP, ABSOLUTELY "RIGHT"! It's their secret long-term plan to wreck "socialist" safety net programs,
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:38 PM
18 hrs ago

and prevent the Democrats from creating any new ones, when we eventually retake power....

and all these new 'work requirements' for SNAP and MEDICAID are ALSO part of the plan
to destroy these programs,
because they are going to costs the states FAR too much in new administrative costs
which will be the burden of the individual states---
(probably costing the states more money than is "saved" at the Federal level---)

and that burden on the poorer rural "red states" is likely to result in many of them
abandoning participation in SNAP and MEDICAID ENTIRELY, in my humble opinion!

Some of those states will probably have no choice about that at all, in budgetary terms!....


Welcome to REPUBLICAN CLASS WARFARE!

If the Republicans cut off your food, I recommend eating Republican politicians!---
"the secret is in the sauce" !

: : or not ??






RT Atlanta

(2,845 posts)
21. When is the 'sacrosanct' "defense" budget on the block?
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:45 PM
18 hrs ago

Our country spends more on 'defense' than the next several larger economic countries in the world put together.

debsy

(1,069 posts)
23. Absolutely spot on.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 10:54 PM
18 hrs ago

I am so tired of people saying they are all idiots and don’t know what they are doing. The truth is they are f***ing assholes and know exactly what they are doing. And I fear we aren’t going to be able to fix the wreckage.

Blue Full Moon

(3,731 posts)
24. 100% the get the rot out reset.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:16 PM
17 hrs ago

The rot is the billionaires and the politicians on the take from them are creating this or allowing it to happen. There were articles before the presidential election about this very thing and installing scam crypto currency.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,357 posts)
26. There will be no other choice than to enact extreme taxation policies on the billionaires and if they try to leave the
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:18 PM
17 hrs ago

country call it treason and financial terrorism. Seize all assets of every Trump family member. Go after Epstein's estate assets. Go after the assets of every family that descended from slave owners.

rampartd

(5,313 posts)
34. i'd go one step farther
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:36 AM
14 hrs ago

demonetize the dollar. total reset. call the new currency "peso" and put trump all over it.

i might lose a few grand, widows and orphans lose nothing, but musk's trillion? just his monopoly winnings, let him pile them up and climb to mars.

enid602

(9,773 posts)
27. Rich
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:39 PM
17 hrs ago

As the dollar collapses as a result of Trump’s Mid-East policy, stocks and bonds will plunge. Real Estate will lose value as well, enabling billionaires and institutional investors to gobble up all houses, commercial, factories etc. They’re the only ones who will be liquid.
Remember, Trump’s tax legislation of 2017 largely got rid of inheritance taxes, so the super-wealthy are positioned to acquire wealth and keep it. The coming hyper inflation is a godsend for the rich.

Martin Eden

(15,960 posts)
28. Starve the Beast and shrink it to a size that can be drowned in a bathtub
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:51 PM
17 hrs ago

Republicans have been trying to do that for decades.

They pretend to be "fiscal conservatives" even though deficits soar when they're in charge. It's tempting to think they're too stupid to understand the effect of their own policies, but the fact is they NEED huge budget deficits to advance the argument that "entitlement" programs are no longer affordable.

rampartd

(5,313 posts)
35. add "the 2 santa claus theory" and we get to a $40T republican debt.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:47 AM
14 hrs ago
The Two Santa Claus Theory was formulated by economist and political strategist Jude Wanniski in 1976. It posits that in democratic elections, if Democrats appeal to voters by promising social programs and benefits (the first "Santa Claus&quot , Republicans cannot gain support by advocating for spending cuts alone. Instead, Republicans should become a second "Santa Claus" by offering tax cuts, providing voters with tangible financial benefits while maintaining the appearance of fiscal generosity (Wanniski, 1976)

the deal is that the working class, democrats, can appropriate money to widows and orphans as long as repubs get to send that money to their big donors first..

"don't worry, that's how we prevent fraud and the money all trickles down anyway."

Dan

(5,323 posts)
30. Wow, reading the comments.....
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 12:55 AM
16 hrs ago

What is the end goal - when all the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few and there is nothing left for the working stiffs, what then.

When the middle-class is left with nothing but the illusion of having been middle-class, what then.

I also think that the point of all the polarization that is being promoted is to frame the narrative of social unrest to justify a police state.

The powers that be have already impacted a lot of people that depended on SNAP benefits - maybe to get us used to seeing people starving and homeless.

College is increasingly out of reach for the working and middle-class; so education for the rich and entitled or athletically inclined.

As someone pointed out, the GOP is currently robbing us blind and the bill will fall at the feet of the Democrats.

I am glad that I am old...just waiting for the prostate to take me out.

summer_in_TX

(4,343 posts)
32. In 2010 the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010 set up a trigger mechanism for automatic mandatory
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:19 AM
15 hrs ago

cuts to certain mandatory programs if the rule is violated that so there's an increase it projected deficits.

Exemptions include Social Security, veterans' benefits, and low-income programs like Medicaid and SNAP.

WestMichRad

(3,458 posts)
39. That's exactly their strategy.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 09:51 AM
7 hrs ago

And when Dems inevitably return to power someday, they’ll scream bloody murder about the federal budget deficit.

Botany

(78,058 posts)
41. Burning America to the ground has three goals:
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 10:29 AM
6 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:00 PM - Edit history (1)

1) To get rid of the dollar and replace it with crypto in order to make Peter Thiel happy and to
pay him back for rat fucking the 2016 and 2024 elections and the 2022 and 2024 Ohio senate
elections.

b) Because that is what Vlad Putin goal.

iii) A fascist take over of America. See project 2025.

Akakoji

(594 posts)
42. So just spend 80 billion more taxpayer dollars on ice. We're at what 250 billion?
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 11:46 AM
5 hrs ago

To do nothing but create a very large center of concentration camps that will be used to incarcerate American citizens and political dissenters when the legal immigrants are all rounded up? Ice is a paramilitary arm of the Republican Party. They work for the massive prison system that the American people have been convinced is needed to protect them against criminals. That’s what rarely happens though. We must make every Republican pay for their lack of ethics, morals, and their lying to steal our taxpayer dollars. It still boggles my mind we don’t have a Democratic candidate running in every race around the country. We constantly underestimate the rage and the pain that people are feeling in areas we allow to be designated red or purple or blue.

relogic

(299 posts)
45. The burn
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 12:27 PM
4 hrs ago

will start to penetrate even the rugged facia armor of the we the low-poverty clientele-once Soc S is successfully depleted to dregs of promised cookie crumbs swirling on the bottom of Lardo’s rotting barrel. The rallying cry of the inherent cruelty of repukes, maga, predatory capitalists and low brows has always been “Burn it down.”

Of all the infinite predictables in this insane era of orange beast worship is the certainty of the designed spite-inflected hardship for the derived pleasure of these ravenous wolves.

Figarosmom

(14,170 posts)
49. They do this every time
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:19 PM
3 hrs ago

It makes for a compliant, downridden work force who are just grateful for any job. It also forces Democrats to raise taxes.

Quanto Magnus

(1,399 posts)
50. This has been a strategy since Reagan
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:35 PM
3 hrs ago

run up the debt while in power, whine and cry about the debt when not in power and to stymy any progressive legislation. If the Democrats have to fix the mess the Guardians of Pedophiles created, they will not have the time or resources to pass legislation they were elected to pass.

Rinse
Repeat

Trump is just taking this philosophy to it's more ridiculous extreme.

SergeStorms

(20,942 posts)
53. Bingo.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 01:53 PM
3 hrs ago

The Heritage Foundation is now steering the course for our country, AND I'M EXTREMELY PISSED-OFF BECAUSE OF IT!

BurnDoubt

(1,925 posts)
57. Bingo!
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 03:24 PM
1 hr ago

The Heritage Foundation needs to be exposed, and publicly named, and their interests and connections analyzed and divulged. This is a secretive cabal that has insinuated itself into the very fabric of our government, you know, the “Deep State”. And they are REAL, and Evil.
It’s astonishing that they haven’t been investigated by SOMEONE.

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