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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI teach religious studies. Vance's book on his conversion is one of the worst things I've read.
Vice President JD Vances new book, Communion, is not only his story of his conversion to Catholicism in 2019, its also his pitch to Republicans, especially religious ones, about why he has the mettle to be the partys 2028 presidential candidate. Writing a book has become a prerequisite for a presidential run, but as a professor who has read some awful writing, I find that Vances new book ranks among the worst things Ive read. As has been reported, theres a United Methodist Church on the cover of this book about converting to Catholicism, and that choice of illustration serves as a metaphor for the ignorance and inauthenticity found within.
Vances account of his conversion from evangelism to atheism and then to Catholicism is familiar to those of us who study religious switching in America. According to the Pew Research Centers 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study, 35% of American adults were raised in a different religious tradition than the one they practice.
But on his promotional book tour, Vance is proving himself to be woefully inept about his faith. For example, on his Tuesday appearance on ABCs The View, he couldnt answer questions about how he squares his recently found faith with the Trump administrations policies. He seems confused about what Catholicism is and doesnt seem to understand that Christian beliefs arent the same as a list of conservative talking points.
Thus, in Communion we get his disjointed story about how he was attracted to the Catholic Church despite his divergent views from its teachings. If nothing else, Communion confirms what was already obvious: Vance is not the theologian he thinks he is, and indeed, he knows very little about the Catholic faith. Despite his lack of knowledge, in his short time as vice president, he has had the temerity to question Pope Francis motivations for criticizing the Trump administrations immigration policies and to lecture Pope Leo XIV on when war is morally justified.
https://www.ms.now/opinion/jd-vance-book-communion-2028-presidential-race
If it's half as awful and inauthentic as "hillbilly Elegy", I won't even bother with it because I'd just get disgusted halfway through and hurl it across the room into the trash
kimbutgar
(27,692 posts)Whoever organized the books made it look nice but the arrangement was untouched and you could see not one book was sold!
Crowman2009
(3,628 posts)All piled up unsold and gathering dust.
31j20b3
(39 posts)absolutely no way to "know."
Not being able to know is sort of central to agnosticism. It doesn't preclude an end point of disbelieving or believing
People can believe as they wish, but if they claim certainty of knowing, they need extraordinary evidence of which I think there is pretty much none that can't be dismissed as more belief than proof of existance or not
I think recent productions by AI that argue for "knowing" god exisits are proof of cultural pollution of the data base that produces such hallucination
And I think a just God that I would want to believe in would not punish me for saying because of my poor observational position I can't know with certainty, while yet having a desire that Her non-existance is my own delusion.
3catwoman3
(30,081 posts)...and I agree with you completely that no one knows I what they believe is how things actually are. they may believe it so strongly that they think they know, but they don't.
I've found a comfortable spiritual home in a very small Unitarian Universalist congregation.
I know I'm not alone in thinking that rather than man being created in god's image, it's just the opposite - man has created god in man's image - petty, jealous, vengeful, yet described as a loving parent. Hard to square those very opposite characteristics.
no_hypocrisy
(55,656 posts)by Republican Clare Booth Luce.
Trumpdumper
(236 posts)You win the Cultural and Historical Context trophy for the week!
Jilly_in_VA
(14,733 posts)Raised in the Episcopal Church, did some searching in my mid 20s bt came back and stayed there although I always kind of had leanings toward the Orthodox, and in 2016 I took that step. I try to be rep=spectful of others, but I find Shady's "conversion" pretty inauthentic, as I find most of his other public utterances and stances inauthentic. Basically, I find HIM to be inauthentic---IOW, a phony.
DFW
(60,701 posts)I thought that Tom Lehrer showed a better understanding of Catholicism in his spoof The Vatican Rag, and Tom Lehrer was Jewish.
Alice B.
(758 posts)Before we all fully knew how awful the author is. The potential for a moving personal story was there but there was an exploitative and calculated flavor to it.
And as an examination of a region? Absolutely not.
I didn't know how it got past an editor because I had many notes.
Raven123
(8,008 posts)I remember Vance being interviewed on NPR after the book was published. I dont remember the specifics, but I do remember his superficial and inaccurate understanding of the society he criticized.
Alice B.
(758 posts)LogDog75
(1,445 posts)The purpose of the book is twofold.
1. He wrote Hillbilly Elegy and he needs a followup book if he wants to run for president in 2028. He needs to appeal to the uber religious base of his sick party and this book will help him in that effort.
2. The book will be bought up by his party as well as by Vance's campaign and PACs supporting him making it a phony best seller. The books will then be given out to people who donate money to the party, his campaign, or PACs.
karynnj
(61,209 posts)might not be a good look to the Evangelical base much of which is pretty skeptical of Catholics.
He rejected their religion and when religion became important to him, he chose Catholicism.
TheRickles
(3,565 posts)SergeStorms
(21,018 posts)for right-wing "author"/wannabe-politicians. Have billionaires buy truckloads of their books and give them away as "gifts," or incentives.
The billionaires write it off, the "author" makes a bundle, and whoever is unlucky enough to receive one is totally misinformed and conditioned to the "author's" lies. Mission Accomplished.
It's been working for decades and probably will for many more.
malaise
(299,344 posts)The Methodist Church on the cover of this book about converting to Catholicism, and that choice of illustration serves as a metaphor for the ignorance and inauthenticity found within.
ashredux
(2,981 posts)Hes a con man as well, not as good as Trump, but he has wormed his way up the ladder so youve gotta give him points for being a pretty good con-man
ToxMarz
(3,155 posts)His conversion to Catholicism is clear, he wanted to run for office and (particulary as a republican) you aren't going to go very far in this country as an atheist. Certainly not President. As to why he chose Catholicism, that's what his gop strategists decided, Like why all our conservative Supreme Court justices have to be Catholic now, it sends the right message without having to actually wade into hot button controversial issues. You can get away with just being mealy mouthed..
yardwork
(69,881 posts)His name is fake. The dog he claimed to own is not his. He is not and never was a hillbilly.
I doubt he has any spiritual beliefs.
Vance is a complete fraud. He is a monster in a person suit.
Mr. Evil
(3,481 posts)But, I don't need another hernia surgery.
edhopper
(37,659 posts)and the conversion was purely political, or he was never an atheist.