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Jilly_in_VA

(14,733 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:13 PM 10 hrs ago

I teach religious studies. Vance's book on his conversion is one of the worst things I've read.

Vice President JD Vance’s new book, “Communion,” is not only his story of his conversion to Catholicism in 2019, it’s also his pitch to Republicans, especially religious ones, about why he has the mettle to be the party’s 2028 presidential candidate. Writing a book has become a prerequisite for a presidential run, but as a professor who has read some awful writing, I find that Vance’s new book ranks among the worst things I’ve read. As has been reported, there’s a United Methodist Church on the cover of this book about converting to Catholicism, and that choice of illustration serves as a metaphor for the ignorance and inauthenticity found within.

Vance’s account of his conversion from evangelism to atheism and then to Catholicism is familiar to those of us who study religious switching in America. According to the Pew Research Center’s 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study, 35% of American adults were raised in a different religious tradition than the one they practice.

But on his promotional book tour, Vance is proving himself to be woefully inept about his faith. For example, on his Tuesday appearance on ABC’s “The View,” he couldn’t answer questions about how he squares his recently found faith with the Trump administration’s policies. He seems confused about what Catholicism is and doesn’t seem to understand that Christian beliefs aren’t the same as a list of conservative talking points.

Thus, in “Communion” we get his disjointed story about how he was attracted to the Catholic Church despite his divergent views from its teachings. If nothing else, “Communion” confirms what was already obvious: Vance is not the theologian he thinks he is, and indeed, he knows very little about the Catholic faith. Despite his lack of knowledge, in his short time as vice president, he has had the temerity to question Pope Francis’ motivations for criticizing the Trump administration’s immigration policies and to lecture Pope Leo XIV on when war is morally justified.

https://www.ms.now/opinion/jd-vance-book-communion-2028-presidential-race

If it's half as awful and inauthentic as "hillbilly Elegy", I won't even bother with it because I'd just get disgusted halfway through and hurl it across the room into the trash

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I teach religious studies. Vance's book on his conversion is one of the worst things I've read. (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA 10 hrs ago OP
I was at a Barnes and Noble this week and they have a table display with his books kimbutgar 10 hrs ago #1
Just like the Melanoma book. Crowman2009 7 hrs ago #20
I will always be agnostic. IMO, there are many ways to end up with belief but 31j20b3 10 hrs ago #2
I consider myself a content questioning agnostic... 3catwoman3 8 hrs ago #14
I find Vance's conversion as hollow as the one taken no_hypocrisy 10 hrs ago #3
That is an absolute winner! Trumpdumper 9 hrs ago #13
I'm a believer and always have been Jilly_in_VA 10 hrs ago #4
I got the identical impression of him. DFW 7 hrs ago #18
I thought Hillbilly Elegy was awful. Alice B. 10 hrs ago #5
I felt the same Raven123 8 hrs ago #15
100% that. And the old Welfare Queen tropes. I couldn't believe what I was reading. Alice B. 6 hrs ago #21
It doesn't matter what's in the book LogDog75 9 hrs ago #6
I wonder if going from Evangelical to atheist to Catholic karynnj 9 hrs ago #10
Good point - this gambit could easily backfire and alienate both groups (one hopes!). TheRickles 7 hrs ago #17
The conservative playbook.... SergeStorms 7 hrs ago #19
This made me laugh😀😂 malaise 9 hrs ago #7
Vance is not either a "hillbilly" promise first book, nor is he a "Christian" by this book ashredux 9 hrs ago #8
Vance's conversion from evangelical to atheist is probably the only genuine religious stance he has taken that we know ToxMarz 9 hrs ago #9
Vance is fake. yardwork 9 hrs ago #11
I'd like to throw JD Vance across the room and into the trash. Mr. Evil 9 hrs ago #12
Either he is still an atheist edhopper 8 hrs ago #16

kimbutgar

(27,692 posts)
1. I was at a Barnes and Noble this week and they have a table display with his books
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:22 PM
10 hrs ago

Whoever organized the books made it look nice but the arrangement was untouched and you could see not one book was sold!

31j20b3

(39 posts)
2. I will always be agnostic. IMO, there are many ways to end up with belief but
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:29 PM
10 hrs ago

absolutely no way to "know."

Not being able to know is sort of central to agnosticism. It doesn't preclude an end point of disbelieving or believing

People can believe as they wish, but if they claim certainty of knowing, they need extraordinary evidence of which I think there is pretty much none that can't be dismissed as more belief than proof of existance or not


I think recent productions by AI that argue for "knowing" god exisits are proof of cultural pollution of the data base that produces such hallucination

And I think a just God that I would want to believe in would not punish me for saying because of my poor observational position I can't know with certainty, while yet having a desire that Her non-existance is my own delusion.

3catwoman3

(30,081 posts)
14. I consider myself a content questioning agnostic...
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 03:30 PM
8 hrs ago

...and I agree with you completely that no one knows I what they believe is how things actually are. they may believe it so strongly that they think they know, but they don't.

I've found a comfortable spiritual home in a very small Unitarian Universalist congregation.

I know I'm not alone in thinking that rather than man being created in god's image, it's just the opposite - man has created god in man's image - petty, jealous, vengeful, yet described as a loving parent. Hard to square those very opposite characteristics.

Trumpdumper

(236 posts)
13. That is an absolute winner!
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:54 PM
9 hrs ago

You win the Cultural and Historical Context trophy for the week!

Jilly_in_VA

(14,733 posts)
4. I'm a believer and always have been
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:46 PM
10 hrs ago

Raised in the Episcopal Church, did some searching in my mid 20s bt came back and stayed there although I always kind of had leanings toward the Orthodox, and in 2016 I took that step. I try to be rep=spectful of others, but I find Shady's "conversion" pretty inauthentic, as I find most of his other public utterances and stances inauthentic. Basically, I find HIM to be inauthentic---IOW, a phony.

DFW

(60,701 posts)
18. I got the identical impression of him.
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 04:04 PM
7 hrs ago

I thought that Tom Lehrer showed a better understanding of Catholicism in his spoof “The Vatican Rag,” and Tom Lehrer was Jewish.

Alice B.

(758 posts)
5. I thought Hillbilly Elegy was awful.
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 01:48 PM
10 hrs ago

Before we all fully knew how awful the author is. The potential for a moving personal story was there but there was an exploitative and calculated flavor to it.

And as an examination of a region? Absolutely not.

I didn't know how it got past an editor because I had many notes.

Raven123

(8,008 posts)
15. I felt the same
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 03:47 PM
8 hrs ago

I remember Vance being interviewed on NPR after the book was published. I don’t remember the specifics, but I do remember his superficial and inaccurate understanding of the society he criticized.

LogDog75

(1,445 posts)
6. It doesn't matter what's in the book
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:05 PM
9 hrs ago

The purpose of the book is twofold.

1. He wrote Hillbilly Elegy and he needs a followup book if he wants to run for president in 2028. He needs to appeal to the uber religious base of his sick party and this book will help him in that effort.

2. The book will be bought up by his party as well as by Vance's campaign and PACs supporting him making it a phony best seller. The books will then be given out to people who donate money to the party, his campaign, or PACs.

karynnj

(61,209 posts)
10. I wonder if going from Evangelical to atheist to Catholic
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:48 PM
9 hrs ago

might not be a good look to the Evangelical base much of which is pretty skeptical of Catholics.

He rejected their religion and when religion became important to him, he chose Catholicism.

SergeStorms

(21,018 posts)
19. The conservative playbook....
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 04:08 PM
7 hrs ago

for right-wing "author"/wannabe-politicians. Have billionaires buy truckloads of their books and give them away as "gifts," or incentives.
The billionaires write it off, the "author" makes a bundle, and whoever is unlucky enough to receive one is totally misinformed and conditioned to the "author's" lies. Mission Accomplished.

It's been working for decades and probably will for many more.

malaise

(299,344 posts)
7. This made me laugh😀😂
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:12 PM
9 hrs ago

The Methodist Church on the cover of this book about converting to Catholicism, and that choice of illustration serves as a metaphor for the ignorance and inauthenticity found within.

ashredux

(2,981 posts)
8. Vance is not either a "hillbilly" promise first book, nor is he a "Christian" by this book
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:27 PM
9 hrs ago

He’s a con man as well, not as good as Trump, but he has wormed his way up the ladder so you’ve gotta give him points for being a pretty good con-man……

ToxMarz

(3,155 posts)
9. Vance's conversion from evangelical to atheist is probably the only genuine religious stance he has taken that we know
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:37 PM
9 hrs ago

His conversion to Catholicism is clear, he wanted to run for office and (particulary as a republican) you aren't going to go very far in this country as an atheist. Certainly not President. As to why he chose Catholicism, that's what his gop strategists decided, Like why all our conservative Supreme Court justices have to be Catholic now, it sends the right message without having to actually wade into hot button controversial issues. You can get away with just being mealy mouthed..

yardwork

(69,881 posts)
11. Vance is fake.
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:51 PM
9 hrs ago

His name is fake. The dog he claimed to own is not his. He is not and never was a hillbilly.

I doubt he has any spiritual beliefs.

Vance is a complete fraud. He is a monster in a person suit.

Mr. Evil

(3,481 posts)
12. I'd like to throw JD Vance across the room and into the trash.
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 02:53 PM
9 hrs ago

But, I don't need another hernia surgery.

edhopper

(37,659 posts)
16. Either he is still an atheist
Fri Jun 19, 2026, 03:47 PM
8 hrs ago

and the conversion was purely political, or he was never an atheist.

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