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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMEDICAL ALERT: Update on observations of FTD and CHF/RF
(Fronto-Temporal Dementia, Congestive heart failure, and Renal failure)
We are watching an asymptotic progress towards medical crisis. The rate of decline is increasing so the mathematical second derivative is in play here.
He is routinely using obscenities in his public statements, he is no longer recognizing those who should be readily familiar to him, the texture of his skin is changing almost daily, his hair is rapidly thinning, the contours of his face are altered due to edema.
The skin is the largest organ in the body and is very much susceptible to significant metabolic changes as is every other organ. This of course includes the hair follicles. The intricate combover is essentially gone, replaced by a vain attempt to imitate it.
The inability to recognize individuals, which he manifest some time ago, is worsening before our eyes. They have him in relative isolation because he can no longer be allowed to extemporize freely. This began a long time ago when he could not distinguish a photo of the young E.Jean Carroll from Marla Maples Trump, his wife. This, for any other individual, would have been an all hands on deck moment.
At this rate, his ability to fake functionality will be essentially zero within two months at the outside.
I may be wrong: I once made a mistake and said nobodys perfect. 😀. But this time
I dont think so.
eppur_se_muova
(42,879 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 22, 2026, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)
Nobody wants to be too close when he blows.
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(21,029 posts)In the 6 months before my husband died, he changed so much medically and in personality.
Skin changes: More bruises in places not usually prone to be struck. More puffiness due to fluid retention. The whites of his eyes looking more yellow.
Obvious physical changes: More Exhaustion. He would complain he was so tired after getting what I could see a good night's sleep. Less physical activity. Balance issues becoming more noticeable. Loss of appetite. More anger and cruel words.(I was his caregiver and it was not easy.) More frequent memory loss due to lack of blood flow to the brain.
Medical changes: Shortness of breath. Edema everywhere from Kidney failure. Irregular heart rates. Agitation due to growing awareness of death.
Donald Trump is exhibiting all these signs. His awful appearance at the G7 was obvious. He has Congestive Heart Failure with growing Kidney and Liver failure. The changes in the skin turning more yellow and orange from higher Bilirubin levels. Some turn more white. My husband was turning orange and bruised. He was also a Type II Diabetic. When I could no longer care for him, my husband was taken to another section of the Facility where he could get more care and supervision. 11 days later, he was dead.
It is becoming more obvious that Donald Trump is deteriorating rapidly. His tweets are becoming more erratic and paranoid in tone. It's time for the 25th Amendment.
MustLoveBeagles
(18,236 posts)It must've been heartbreaking for you to see your husband turn into a stranger. My grandma and mom were in a similar situation.
ProudMNDemocrat
(21,029 posts)It has been a year now, but I remember all of this as if it were yesterday.
EYESORE 9001
(30,015 posts)
The worlds smallest yet most smelly bouquet.
KS Toronado
(24,148 posts)iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,731 posts)Who would sometimes refer to a patient as ftd. It stood for fixin to die.
LymphocyteLover
(10,374 posts)MoseShrute
(164 posts)As his wife would say: I dont care. Do you?
Miguelito Loveless
(6,039 posts)on the other the guy who currently calls himself Vance and who is totally beholden to Peter Thiel.
Tbear
(753 posts)Assuming a democratic House. Theils best chance as it will be.
Wicked Blue
(9,077 posts)Repukes are capable of the most horrible deeds.
LymphocyteLover
(10,374 posts)Raven123
(8,018 posts)His hallucinating over Meloni recently was the most obvious reminder.
Escape
(541 posts)Of course, he lies constantly, but to make up such a silly story based on nothing was bizarre...BUT, as the disaster of the Iran War, his idiotic birthday bash and the green slime pool were unfolding, the media and the American people were captivated by the blatant bullshit about Meloni.
So, it became the distraction du jour, just as it was intended.
LR3
(212 posts)To me, it seems like a classic example of his narcissism--everyone is begging for his attention because he is the world's most powerful, wonderful, and in demand person in all of history in his mind.
3Hotdogs
(15,717 posts)to Gods eyeballs.
questionseverything
(12,202 posts)FarPoint
(15,013 posts)he spoke to Daryl after he killed Alpha!
Botany
(78,193 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:10 AM - Edit history (2)
. patient that exhibited the signs she saw from Trump was gone in under a year either
dead or cognitively. I hope she was right. The White House is trying to hide it but they
cant any longer. When he stormed out of his interview with NBCs Welker he could barely
stand up and walked away with slumped shoulders too.
Could the 4th really be a real Independence Day?
Edit
Trumps break down mentally can be seen in his use of obscene language in public,
his preposterous claims that vandals are what is wrong with the reflecting pool after
he fucked it up, that Italys President (P.M.?) begged him to get her picture taken
with him, and forgetting about diplomacy telling Iran that he is going to over the strait
of Hormuz along with stealing their oil as peace talks are underway. He has no more
filters.
He is also has been in hiding @ Camp David and he posted something about Fathers
Day to an unknown daughter.
bucolic_frolic
(56,290 posts)The Deliverance, the Irony, the Symbolism
May our Founders have their Day
ECL213
(467 posts)Then every year we could celebrate his death with fireworks.
Scrivener7
(60,317 posts)That's always been the problem. He could strip naked and run through the streets and the press will say he's being "unorthodox" or he's "giving a strong message."
Miguelito Loveless
(6,039 posts)I said the Child Rapist could beat a kitten to death with a puppy on the White House lawn and the Corporate Media and his followers would praise him for helping homeless animals.
I have since modified it to "Trump could rape young MAGA daughters, and the Corporate Media would praise him for addressing women's issues, while MAGA would berate their wives for not birthing enough daughters."
Hugin
(38,099 posts)Looking back it seems to have happened a couple of months ago. I didnt realize it until I saw the military propaganda video.
gab13by13
(33,047 posts)his real hair is pretty much gone.
IbogaProject
(6,171 posts)As he returned to our damaged White House.
Hugin
(38,099 posts)Its also possible that occasionally a handler hands him a hat. It doesnt seem internally vanity driven lately.
IbogaProject
(6,171 posts)QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)... "TODAY IS THE DAY!" or "TRUMP COLLAPSES!" or "OMG HE'S DYING!" with their fake proclamations and clickbait promises and AI-generated-yellow-arrow-Impact-font fake thumbnails.
This actually gives me hope! Thank you!
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)Panic
Trump Collapses
Term Over
Its almost amusing
Scrivener7
(60,317 posts)Joe Rogan's viewerships. Because of that marketing. They're reaching the ones who are not like us. I am grateful to them for that.
QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)How many times can someone hear "HE'S DYING" or "HE COLLAPSED" and "TODAY IS THE DAY" before they realize it's all bullshit. --- It just sucks people into a vortex or hype, snake-oil, broken promises, empty lies, repetitition, along with gloom and doom, and "please subscribe" requests. It benefits only their bottom line. They have become the commercialized "main stream media" that they used to criticize.
But having said that: "At least they're on our side. Yay. I guess."
vanlassie
(6,294 posts)Meidas Touch doubles and sometimes triples
6:05 AM
Joe Rogan's viewerships. Because of that marketing. They're reaching the ones who are not like us.
QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)...of at least one of fans and admirers. Sorry.
"They may not be trying to impress you..." Ha! Ya think? 😂🤣
I guess I just have higher standards. We can do better than those guys.
vanlassie
(6,294 posts)anything that gets the attention of people who like that shit.
Its not about us. 😉
QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)Scrivener7
(60,317 posts)Because we care deeply that you don't like a YouTube channel.
Have a nice night.
QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)Scrivener7
(60,317 posts)QueerDuck
(2,098 posts)... and to know that it's all about lining their own pockets at the expense of gullible subscribers who fall for the clickbait. It deserved to be called-out and labeled for what it is, not defended.
mcar
(46,528 posts)dalton99a
(96,168 posts)
wolfie001
(8,167 posts)I find it comforting that his closest bootlickers are having to deal with Dump's 3D stink-O-vision in real time.
RockCreek
(1,623 posts)The bottom stench may serve a function of covering up that smell.
wolfie001
(8,167 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(18,236 posts)wolfie001
(8,167 posts)Goonch
(5,919 posts)
Festivito
(13,948 posts)They do have their breaking point.
Does his body end before the war ends? Or before our strategic fuel supply runs dry.
GusBob
(8,322 posts)What exactly the sanction against them?
Are they committing fraud or treason ?
Do they all know, or is the truth covered up from each specialist? ( I.e the eye guy doesnt get the whole history and his told: your report is eyes only, nothing else ) given that, are they practicing full scope quality of care or substandard inadequate voodism?
Are all medical specialists MDs ? Are there some sort who take no oath?
If your theory is correct, they are putting the safety of the nation and the world at risk, I wonder: how can they sleep at night?
wnylib
(26,775 posts)He told me that several disorders can be diagnosed or suspected in eye exams. As he put it, the eye is the mirror of the body, not just the "soul" as poets say.
He said that he could tell things like when a woman was pregnant even if her pregnancy was not yet visible.
I have an autoimmune disorder that was discovered after an eye doctor told me, following an exam, that I needed to see an internist for a complete physical because there was something systemic that was causing my blurred vision. She did not know what the specific cause was, but she knew that my vision had changed too much in just one year for an adult. She suspected diabetes bc it exists in.my family. She was not far off. It is not diabetes, which is also an autoimmune disorder, but mine can show up in families where diabetes is present.
So an eye specialist would know if more was going on with Trump than vision problems.
Disorders in one system can show symptoms in other systems of the body. That's why a doctor will suspect something in a physical and refer a patient to a different specialist.
Trump's 22 doctors are all most likely aware of other medical issues in him besides their own specialties.
dave99
(485 posts)wnylib
(26,775 posts)Were the doctors under oath when they gave their reports to the press?
dave99
(485 posts)Wonder what any of the 22 will say?
3catwoman3
(30,115 posts)A colleague was not able to wear her contact lenses while pregnant because of this.
LetMyPeopleVote
(183,752 posts)3catwoman3
(30,115 posts)Must be something big for him to go there voluntarily.
radical noodle
(10,737 posts)I tend to think this is just a malignant narcissist who has been given unlimited power to do whatever he wants. He's always been this way, but just on a different level. The Supreme Court gave him immunity and the GOP has given him a blank check, which means he believes he can do all those things that deep down he's always wanted to do.
OhioBack2Blue
(225 posts)The average life expectancy for Frontotemporal dementia (FTD) is typically 6 to 13 years from the onset of symptoms, with many patients living about 7.5 to 10 years. However, progression rates vary, and some individuals can live for 20 years or more after the first signs of the disease.
Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) life expectancy varies significantly. While average estimates suggest about half of people survive past 5 years post-diagnosis, many live 10 to 15 years or longer.
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)Onset was not last week
hes in a definite medical crisis. If he came into my office Id send him right to the ER if he hadnt already been in treatment. I think hes had FTD for a long time now, its worsening rapidly.
Thats my considered opinion as someone who has worked with this geriatric population for nearly 50 years and in addition, watched my father go through the heart failure and concomitant kidney failure.
Torchlight
(7,202 posts)...dependent on interpretation of asserted data.
BannonsLiver
(21,014 posts)Im not sure I buy into the OPs hypothesis. There has been a lot of prognostication on this subject. but I dont buy into the hes fine, hell live another decade side of the argument either.
Miguelito Loveless
(6,039 posts)the shorter that can be. Also, he started exhibiting dementia signs a decade ago.
The Madcap
(2,150 posts)How many holes? Final score?
I would think that once he stops, it's a signal of "GAME OVER."
buzzycrumbhunger
(2,371 posts)I doubt weve *ever* seen an accurate golf score for him. He lies about golf more than anything. Just think of all those tournaments at his course in which he declared total victory. I havent golfed since high school, I shattered my knee almost 20 years ago, and I bet even I could still beat him if someone impartial kept score.
Submariner
(13,486 posts)Of all the fucking nerve to appear to be getting ready to croak at the Camp David Hospice as summer fun kicks off.
I guess we should probably start reserving bicycle beer bars to follow the funeral procession for the party of the century.
progressoid
(53,527 posts)-he is no longer recognizing those who should be readily familiar to him
-The inability to recognize individuals
-etc
Heck, I know someone who exhibited most of these symptoms and was able to function independently until he was 91. He's still going at 93 today.
flashman13
(2,624 posts)The real give away is that he has quit playing golf. No question, FTD is on full display.
Wednesdays
(23,429 posts)And at least once a week since May 2.
Don't know how accurate the site is, so take the info as you will.
https://didtrumpgolftoday.com/
Having said that, as PCIntern pointed out, that doesn't at all mean he doesn't have FTD, CHF, or RF.
flashman13
(2,624 posts)Wednesdays
(23,429 posts)OAN posted June 5 a video he put on Truth Social of him teeing off. But who knows when that video was actually shot? And if recent, was that all the golf he played that day?
On edit: this article from June 1 says The Felon "played golf," but details are scant. How many holes did he play? How well did he do? They just comment on the "mystery blonde" that accompanied him. Any bets that the "mystery blonde" was an undercover physician or nurse?
https://www.themirror.com/sport/golf/donald-trump-rocks-up-golf-1864202
BannonsLiver
(21,014 posts)Who knows if its actually happening, though. Like everything else with this cabal it is hazardous to take anything at face value.
flashman13
(2,624 posts)BannonsLiver
(21,014 posts)The Madcap
(2,150 posts)Every time I watch baseball on MLB, there's an ad for tennis coverage which contains a variation on that statement. It is so annoying, I turn the volume down when I know it's coming.
3catwoman3
(30,115 posts)I hope we never do again.
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)Most who did that died way way sooner. You only remember the exceptions to the rule.
For example: whens the last time you heard someone say, Look at the real tall old man !? Sure there are a few, but most are gone early, relatively speaking.
progressoid
(53,527 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 22, 2026, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
and find all sorts of diagnoses and claims of his imminent demise. And yet he goes on.
Yes, he has become more erratic over the last decade. And he has certainly slowed with age - as we all have. However, he has a few things we don't have: Some of the best doctors in the US. A cadre of people (like the project 2024 clan) who have a vested interest in keeping him in office. And most importantly, he has a sycophantic, cowardly media that will cover for any diminished functioning he is experiencing.
We all watched Reagan's decline while in office and he also managed to hang in there and inflict more damage to the US.
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)Which was obvious to some clinicians because he had that fixation on the clear glass jar of jellybeans which had to be omnipresent. But virtually nobody I recall had a countdown for his passing. He was clearly a physically prodigious specimen.
progressoid
(53,527 posts)And yet Ronnie continued to sit in the oval office and fuck up our nation until the end of his term.
I suppose I don't understand this fascination with Trump's physical health.
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)His condition was not rapid like Trumps is.
The reason its a subject of interest is that its the ultimate rate-limiting thing that will end this cult once and for all. They will find other people to glom onto, but he or she will not have the staying power coupled with the arrogance, narcissism, and plain stupidity of this guy.
Wicked Blue
(9,077 posts)and who knows what weird things he's suggesting for T-rump.
Eye of newt, toe of frog, crack cocaine, algae from the Reflecting Pool ...
NNadir
(38,833 posts)...and regrettably he is still here.
Dan
(5,348 posts)The Madcap
(2,150 posts)deciding it's tasty...just like a Big Mac.
gay texan
(3,277 posts)wendyb-NC
(4,754 posts)He makes me think of Jabba the Hutt.
MustLoveBeagles
(18,236 posts)boston bean
(36,972 posts)obamanut2012
(29,661 posts)generalbetrayus
(2,057 posts)DFW
(60,753 posts)Is President JD Vance, and even if the Republicans persuade him to step down, whether using the Goldwater Method or the Putin Method, then theres President Mike Johnson to worry about.
We are, in both scenarios, a very large rudderless battleship with nuclear ordnance.
NNadir
(38,833 posts)DFW
(60,753 posts)That would dissolve every Republican incentive to carry out any plans that they or Putin may have in place for Vance to start taking lessons for his pilots licence from some tenth floor hotel room.
NNadir
(38,833 posts)A President Jeffries seems as unlikely, I confess as say, in 2015, an ignorant, badly educated, inarticulate, racist, orange, pedophile becoming President of the United States.
It sounds like the plot of a badly scripted science fiction/horror film, totally unbelievable.
Improbable things do happen, not only for bad, but here and there for good.
DFW
(60,753 posts)Trump and Vance would have to be permanently neutralized before January 3, 2027, or else the Republicans would never let Vance get even a band-aid if they feared it could to a President Jeffries. In case of Trumps early demise, they could also nominate and ram through someone like Bondi or Hegseth as VP, in which case even Jeffries himself would order bodyguards and food tasters for Vance.
NNadir
(38,833 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(157,220 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(2,371 posts)Surely, he cant last much longer, can he?

nitpicked
(2,039 posts)AND he's a sitting president with all of Walter Reed et.al. on tap.
Don't get your hopes up yet.
((Of course, I'm not a medical professional, but...))
PCIntern
(28,786 posts)and because youre not a medical professional and I am, Im speaking from competence. I have watched countless individuals pass away, including my father, from what hes exhibiting physically.