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demmiblue

(40,075 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 05:50 PM Wednesday

i don't think Jeffries understands the new reality. Mamdani doesn't need the party. the party needs him.

i don’t think Jeffries understands the new reality. Mamdani doesn’t need the party. the party needs him.

shauna (@goldengateblond.bsky.social) 2026-06-24T21:34:31.430Z



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i don't think Jeffries understands the new reality. Mamdani doesn't need the party. the party needs him. (Original Post) demmiblue Wednesday OP
If the majority of voters Scubamatt Wednesday #1
Read the room Congressman Jeffries. The grass roots of the party demands a change to progressive policies. flashman13 15 hrs ago #98
Photo says it all. mr715 Wednesday #2
Actually they need each other SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #3
Yes they do! Too many don't seem to get Cha Wednesday #46
Don't mistake NYC Democrats MineralMan Wednesday #4
Yeah, and all three won. choie Wednesday #59
8 and 8 won D00ver66 Wednesday #67
Agree. I grew up in NYC. Moving to the South was eye opening. nt Blasphemer Wednesday #68
Hell, going to Staten Island SocialDemocrat61 23 hrs ago #88
Good point. I think people are getting somewhat carried away. Redleg Wednesday #72
Good God, the DSA is a political party. intheflow Wednesday #5
But intheflow... choie Wednesday #60
. intheflow 23 hrs ago #87
I think that would be a GOOD thing - put numbers to theories about what the majority of Dems want. nt Blasphemer Wednesday #69
Carville is out there encouraging just that: demmiblue Wednesday #71
Does the party actually need Mamdani senseandsensibility Wednesday #6
He has never run in Georgia, but I suspect if he ever did he'd know how to win. mr715 Wednesday #8
You're right, he would know how to win in Georgia SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Yesterday #80
He has said he has no ambitions beyond being mayor. But we'll see how that goes. Scrivener7 Wednesday #14
If a politician ever says they aren't thinking about higher office... mr715 Wednesday #15
How many NYC Mayors SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #21
Dinkens didn't mr715 Wednesday #23
They ran SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #26
De Blasio won my heart. mr715 Wednesday #29
Bless your heart ❤️ SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #30
De Blasio didn't get enough credit for fixing the Bloomberg technocracy mr715 Wednesday #32
Very true SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #33
They both ran for higher office but it didn't work out BeyondGeography Wednesday #28
Well, he can't run for president, so how much more important... LAS14 Wednesday #18
Bishop v. Knight mr715 Wednesday #24
He endorsed 3 candidates, he has ambitions. dem4decades Wednesday #35
Yes, he wants NYC to thrive. Quiet Em Wednesday #56
Goldman was holding NY back exactly how? dem4decades Wednesday #64
I am not saying that at all. Quiet Em Wednesday #66
He wasn't born in the US fujiyamasan Wednesday #42
Mayor of NYC is very intense Cosmocat Wednesday #45
Eric Adams did it while learning Turkish mr715 Wednesday #51
and while being corrupt. choie Wednesday #63
Totally agree! choie Wednesday #61
Here in red western NY, we chose a far left candidate for the House. wnylib Wednesday #16
Is Jeffries smoking something? JBTaurus83 Wednesday #7
Jeffries was unopposed in his primary yesterday SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #9
He will win his district, but the House picks its leader. mr715 Wednesday #17
True SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #19
No one needs to be making drama. mr715 Wednesday #22
But it still doesn't make him SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #25
He is objectively not going out the door. mr715 Wednesday #27
Exactly my point SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #31
If I might suggest Bob_in_VA Wednesday #40
Actually the comment was SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #44
He needs Mamdani's candidates to be in his caucus! mr715 Wednesday #10
I hope they vote with him, no one needs that bull. dem4decades Wednesday #36
Don't want to see the Kevin McCarthy humiliation on our side? mr715 Wednesday #37
Couldn't have happened to a better coif. dem4decades Wednesday #53
No. Leader Jeffries is not going to be Cha Wednesday #47
Here's the reality Quiet Em Wednesday #11
yes, totally agree. LymphocyteLover Wednesday #39
Mahalo, Em.. ☮️💙🌻🕯️🕊️ Cha Wednesday #49
Yes, pushing an imaginary war as if there's a huge ideological/moral Grand Canyon in the party does not help progress. betsuni Wednesday #74
No he didn't! Please tell me he didn't! Scrivener7 Wednesday #12
I didn't hear that MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #20
Lol at "..the fiend!!!!" Seems like some Cha Wednesday #57
Oh yes Jeffries does................ Lovie777 Wednesday #34
Never did understand Pelosi's choice of him to promote Joinfortmill Wednesday #38
His job is to count votes & keep the caucus together, not necessarily be a great progressive spokesperson for the party LymphocyteLover Wednesday #41
I think he's also responsible for overall strategy. Joinfortmill Wednesday #55
Yes, but presumably that's a group decision, not his alone LymphocyteLover 23 hrs ago #86
Wow. HuffPo certainly, uh, chose some pictures for that post Sympthsical Wednesday #43
Good grief. QueerDuck Wednesday #48
You had a choice Congressman. Buddyzbuddy Wednesday #50
Jeez just say Congratulations to the winners and that you welcome them into the House and are eager to work together. Nanjeanne Wednesday #52
It is kind of hard, Nanjeanne.... sheshe2 Yesterday #81
Well that's true but their districts are solidly blue and it would be rare to lose. Besides optimism in their win would Nanjeanne 22 hrs ago #90
It appears to be LilElf70 Wednesday #54
The arrogance. choie Wednesday #58
The party needs another FDR. orthoclad Wednesday #62
Someone who would SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #77
A good reminder of why deifying politicians is never a good idea fujiyamasan Yesterday #82
AND create this Frankensystem of health care orthoclad 16 hrs ago #94
The two biggest demographic groups SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #96
This one? usonian Yesterday #79
I'll look for it. orthoclad 16 hrs ago #93
That's Barry Bostwick as FDR, known to many as "Brad" of Brad and Janet in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. usonian 15 hrs ago #97
"The socialists saw Roosevelt's liberalism as applying Band-Aides to capitalism to save it from a political betsuni 23 hrs ago #85
Well said SocialDemocrat61 23 hrs ago #89
A very real possibility orthoclad 16 hrs ago #95
Radicals complain that liberals orthoclad 16 hrs ago #92
If would be nice if for just once, the centrist Democrats would wake up, smell the coffee, read the room, etc. Fil1957 Wednesday #65
The lack of critical thinking really bothers me MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #70
Democrats must stay united against our common enemy, no matter what dlk Wednesday #73
That poster is extremely disrespectful to Jeffries gulliver Wednesday #75
It's called politics. But it's against the law to pass up any opportunity to call Democrats corrupt or stupid. betsuni Yesterday #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Yesterday #78
Polarizing the party helps Republicans wreck the country and ensures no progress. betsuni Yesterday #83
TY Nixie for that on Rep Jeffries being on Psaki's Cha Yesterday #84
Jeffries needs to "patch things up" with grass roots Democrats, while he still has the chance Bluetus 20 hrs ago #91

Scubamatt

(331 posts)
1. If the majority of voters
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 05:55 PM
Wednesday

want the party to tack left instead of just being a ratchet for increasingly rightwing shifts by the crazy Republicans, Leader Jeffries and other establishment should listen to them. When poll after poll consistently shows that the majority of Americans align with traditional Democratic policies, maybe . . . just maybe . . . . Democratic leaders should listen to that and actually try appealing to their base instead of running away from it to some ill defined mushy middle.

flashman13

(2,635 posts)
98. Read the room Congressman Jeffries. The grass roots of the party demands a change to progressive policies.
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 04:02 PM
15 hrs ago

The base of the Democratic party is telling you, in the loudest terms possible, that the old normal, as embodied by you, Schumer and the party "leadership" is over. The blue tsunami is not coming just for the MAGAts.

Get out of the way. There is a new generation of Democrats ready to take power.

Cha

(321,544 posts)
46. Yes they do! Too many don't seem to get
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:42 PM
Wednesday

that this is about the Midterms. We need all hands on deck... Not some inter-party fighting.

And, I'm really disappointed Congress lost Rep Dan Goldman, who is a brilliant contributor to our Democracy.

MineralMan

(152,036 posts)
4. Don't mistake NYC Democrats
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:02 PM
Wednesday

as representing the country. It doesn't even come close. And Mamdani only endorsed candidates in three districts.

Trust me on this.

choie

(7,112 posts)
59. Yeah, and all three won.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:16 PM
Wednesday

If only NYC Democrats don't represent the country, we might not be in the shitstorm we're in today.

Redleg

(7,055 posts)
72. Good point. I think people are getting somewhat carried away.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 09:58 PM
Wednesday

I think some of Mamdani's ideas can transfer across a wide range and I appreciate Mandani's political skills. I also believe that each district may have unique needs and thus needs Democratic candidates who can effectively address those needs..

intheflow

(30,305 posts)
5. Good God, the DSA is a political party.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:08 PM
Wednesday

If Democratic leadership wants to keep losing, keep pushing away the DSA wing of the party and become irrelevant. Otherwise, expect them to start running with their own platform which will be promoted by many in the new media sphere to the voters hungry for change.

Blasphemer

(3,635 posts)
69. I think that would be a GOOD thing - put numbers to theories about what the majority of Dems want. nt
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:45 PM
Wednesday

demmiblue

(40,075 posts)
71. Carville is out there encouraging just that:
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 09:06 PM
Wednesday
Carville then insisted that despite winning their Democratic primaries, “these people are not Democrats.” He then suggested that establishment Democrats “negotiate the terms of a schism” with democratic socialists in the party.


https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/im-done-im-not-in-that-fcking-political-party-james-carville-freaks-out-after-progressives-win-big-in-democratic-primaries/

senseandsensibility

(26,018 posts)
6. Does the party actually need Mamdani
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:17 PM
Wednesday

in say, Georgia, or other swing states, though? I don't believe in absolutes. He had a good night in NYC. I have nothing against him. But hailing him as the leader of all Dems as we head into Nov. does not seem wise.

mr715

(4,854 posts)
8. He has never run in Georgia, but I suspect if he ever did he'd know how to win.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:23 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)

He is energetic and engaging. He doesn't seem corrupt. He doesn't seem defeated.

You're correct he isn't (yet) a central power broker in the party, but I think it is fairly clear his star is ascendent - and it would by wise to learn from his successes.

Mamdani is a leader of new generation, progressive social media forward democrats. Just a leader. Not the leader.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
13. You're right, he would know how to win in Georgia
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:39 PM
Wednesday

And would probably adopt more moderate policies and message.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Reply #13)

Scrivener7

(60,358 posts)
14. He has said he has no ambitions beyond being mayor. But we'll see how that goes.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:39 PM
Wednesday

I am shocked at the changes he is making for the better in a short time. I hope he changes his mind.

mr715

(4,854 posts)
15. If a politician ever says they aren't thinking about higher office...
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:44 PM
Wednesday

don't believe them.

That he makes it believable is his superpower.

His options, however, are somewhat limited. He can't be President, but I'd take him as a Senator.

He is remarkable in that he set an agenda and rapidly delivered on it. Additionally, behind his charisma, he has demonstrated a savviness / shrewdness in his movements within the party.

As you know, NY Mayors always run for higher office. They don't often win. Ever.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
21. How many NYC Mayors
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:51 PM
Wednesday

have gone on to higher office?

Can't think of one in the last 50 years. But Mamdani could be the exception.

mr715

(4,854 posts)
23. Dinkens didn't
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:55 PM
Wednesday

But Bloomberg did and Giuliani did and De Blasio did... I don't think Koch did, but that was for a very specific reason.

mr715

(4,854 posts)
29. De Blasio won my heart.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:01 PM
Wednesday

Otherwise no one. NY mayors have big ambitions and little evidence of electability.

BeyondGeography

(41,236 posts)
28. They both ran for higher office but it didn't work out
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:00 PM
Wednesday

Jeffries thought about running for mayor when he was starting out in public life. When he was told that a NYC Mayor had never gone on to a higher elected office he quickly lost interest.

LAS14

(15,582 posts)
18. Well, he can't run for president, so how much more important...
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:47 PM
Wednesday

... is senator or governor?

mr715

(4,854 posts)
24. Bishop v. Knight
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:58 PM
Wednesday

Governor of NY is more powerful. There are only 50 governors, and NY is one of the more important states.

Quiet Em

(3,234 posts)
66. I am not saying that at all.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:33 PM
Wednesday

I have tremendous respect for Rep. Goldman and I have a lot of respect for Lander as well.

I'm saying that Mamdani endorsed candidates that he, Mamdani, found helpful for his ambitions and goals for NYC.

fujiyamasan

(2,181 posts)
42. He wasn't born in the US
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:35 PM
Wednesday

So he unless it’s an unelected cabinet position, the Senate is as far as he can go.

wnylib

(26,815 posts)
16. Here in red western NY, we chose a far left candidate for the House.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:46 PM
Wednesday

I heard him speak at a local No Kings rally last fall and voted for him in yesterday's primary, even though I am usually a left of center Dem but not so far left. I will volunteer for his campaign in the general, too, because I want to unseat the current MAGA House Rep in our district.

He won in a landslide.

JBTaurus83

(1,851 posts)
7. Is Jeffries smoking something?
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:18 PM
Wednesday

His brand isn’t selling. If he hasn’t figured it out by now, he will be the next one out the door.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
9. Jeffries was unopposed in his primary yesterday
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:26 PM
Wednesday

Do you think a republican will defeat him in November?

mr715

(4,854 posts)
22. No one needs to be making drama.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:53 PM
Wednesday

Jeffries is going to have new members of his caucus. He is very likely to be elected Speaker in a few months. He has more to gain by making nice mouth noises to the new meat.

My understanding is that my former district was embroiled in some particularly nasty racial shit involving the island of Hispanola. That sort of nastiness has no place in our caucus.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
25. But it still doesn't make him
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:58 PM
Wednesday

"the next one out the door" as was claimed in the post I responded to.

Bob_in_VA

(149 posts)
40. If I might suggest
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:32 PM
Wednesday

The phrase "out the door" can mean two different things. One, Jeffreys loses hi seat in the House. Probably not unless something catastrophic happens in his District and he's to blame. Two, he loses his position in the leadership; the Dems take the House but someone else is elected Speaker. So the first option, probably not but the second option is up in the air since it depends, in part, on how many Progressive/far left Democratic and/or Independent candidates win their respective races. Based on my inbox, there's at least 12 to 20 such candidates running, many of whom have at least a reasonably good chance of winning their election, particularly in the current climate where what had been safe Republican seats are no longer safe. I know this because they are all asking me to fund their races.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
44. Actually the comment was
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:39 PM
Wednesday

"next one out the door". If Jeffries is the next one, who is the last one?

mr715

(4,854 posts)
10. He needs Mamdani's candidates to be in his caucus!
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:26 PM
Wednesday

Now, they're going to win... but still. He's the Democratic leader. He needs their votes!

mr715

(4,854 posts)
37. Don't want to see the Kevin McCarthy humiliation on our side?
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:21 PM
Wednesday

I certainly do not.

However I did enjoy watching it happen to Kevin McCarthy again... and again... and again... and again... and again...

He kept that stupid plastered smile on his face while his party cut off his testicles again... and again... again...

Quiet Em

(3,234 posts)
11. Here's the reality
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:28 PM
Wednesday

These are both incredible Democratic men with completely different jobs.

Mamdani endorsed three candidates in a city that he runs as Mayor because he believes they had a better message and may offer better results for the people of his city.

Jeffries needs to keep a very large and diverse coalition of House Democrats from across all spectrums and geographies united as an equal front. On top of that he is a New York State Representative who works with other NYS Democrats.

I know there are members of the Congressional Hispanic caucus who may be upset, and other NYS Democratic leaders who rely on established relationships with other Democrats who may be upset, but the goal for both of these men is to bring them together. A goal I believe they both share and will manage.

What is not reality is the attempt to pin these two as being at war with each other.




Cha

(321,544 posts)
49. Mahalo, Em.. ☮️💙🌻🕯️🕊️
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:00 PM
Wednesday

I bet there are Dems in Congress who had strong relationships with those who lost in NYC.

Like Rep Dan Goldman, who is a brilliant contributor to our democracy.

I know there are members of the Congressional Hispanic caucus who may be upset, and other NYS Democratic leaders who rely on established relationships with other Democrats who may be upset

betsuni

(29,436 posts)
74. Yes, pushing an imaginary war as if there's a huge ideological/moral Grand Canyon in the party does not help progress.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 11:50 PM
Wednesday

That's stupid.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,956 posts)
20. I didn't hear that
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 06:49 PM
Wednesday
"The goal is to win as many seats currently held by Republicans as possible, and take back control of the House of Representatives."

The fiend!!!!

Question: "What's your relationship with Mamdani as it stands right now?"

"Very good one, we speak regularly."

Hey, let's divide Dems for the midterms. Always a winning strategy!

Cha

(321,544 posts)
57. Lol at "..the fiend!!!!" Seems like some
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:10 PM
Wednesday

didn't read the whole thing before they piled on Leader Jeffries.

Hey, that's what I keep saying...

"The goal is to win as many seats currently held by Republicans as possible, and take back control of the House of Representatives."

The fiend!!!!

Question: "What's your relationship with Mamdani as it stands right now?"

Mahalo, MorbidButterflyTat☮️💙🌻🕯️🕊️

Lovie777

(24,488 posts)
34. Oh yes Jeffries does................
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:14 PM
Wednesday

corporate media's goal is to pit Democrats against each other, something they never did when the fucked up tea party fraction came into focus.

We will stick together because the big tent favors diversity, D.E.I and Woke, compassion, equal rights, affordable economy, well paying jobs with benefits and retirement, affordable health care, et al.

LymphocyteLover

(10,414 posts)
41. His job is to count votes & keep the caucus together, not necessarily be a great progressive spokesperson for the party
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:34 PM
Wednesday

Pelosi apparently thought he had the skills for that

Sympthsical

(11,280 posts)
43. Wow. HuffPo certainly, uh, chose some pictures for that post
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 07:38 PM
Wednesday

It's like some sort of children's cartoon, Goblin v. Gopher.

What the hell, HuffPo.

It's like the ferrets don't even exist to you.

Buddyzbuddy

(3,038 posts)
50. You had a choice Congressman.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:00 PM
Wednesday

You've chosen wrong. Progressives have always been here choosing between what we want and what we can get. This is the result. You can move with us or eventually you might not have a choice. Your predecessor chose you with the support of the old guard. Well, it's time for a changing of the guard. It can be painful and disruptive or you can choose to fight this fight with us.
But, know that there is change coming.

The minorities and youth of American can no longer be taken for granted.

Nanjeanne

(6,825 posts)
52. Jeez just say Congratulations to the winners and that you welcome them into the House and are eager to work together.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:01 PM
Wednesday

It’s not hard Hakeem.

sheshe2

(99,042 posts)
81. It is kind of hard, Nanjeanne....
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 01:38 AM
Yesterday
Jeez just say Congratulations to the winners and that you welcome them into the House and are eager to work together.


To welcome them into the House...before they win the GE in election in November. That would be putting the cart before the horse.

I commend them all for their win in the primary and expect in a very blue state like NY they have a decisive win in the GE. I believe it is 01/03/2027 when the winners are sworn in!

IMHO, welcoming them into the House before that could put a jinx on things.

Nanjeanne

(6,825 posts)
90. Well that's true but their districts are solidly blue and it would be rare to lose. Besides optimism in their win would
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 08:33 AM
22 hrs ago

be a good mive for Hakeem. I don’t think he’d jinx anything by saying he is excited to have them working with him in the house.

LilElf70

(1,708 posts)
54. It appears to be
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:06 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jun 24, 2026, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

no more ignorant, corrupt, get rich politicians are acceptable. From either side. People are totally fed up. It now appears to finally be about "We the people", which just may start a completely different concept to run a country. The people come FIRST. The younger generation has seen some of the most tumultuous years of this country. I personally can't believe how bad we have allowed it to get. They're fed up and their future is in their hands. They know this.

I cannot deny something is happening. All these wins, just don't happen. More are coming, believe me. People are fed up on both sides. It's truly time for change. A country that EVERYONE can enjoy. I actually welcome Mandami, and his likes. The next 2 years could be the most exciting years this country has ever had.

I wish us all good luck on the outcome in November. It's time to kick some ass.

choie

(7,112 posts)
58. The arrogance.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:13 PM
Wednesday

Why should Mamdani apologize for being authentic and choosing to endorse three progressive candidates (who, by the way, won)? Jeffries should spend his time trying to stop trump and his administration instead of fostering a battle with Mamdani and other lefties.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
77. Someone who would
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 12:21 AM
Yesterday

support segregation, ignore the holocaust, imprison Japanese American without trial, send the military to end a labor union strike and funnel billions into the military industry complex.

fujiyamasan

(2,181 posts)
82. A good reminder of why deifying politicians is never a good idea
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 01:39 AM
Yesterday

But also a good reminder of why it may be time to stop looking to the past for solutions to present day problems.

orthoclad

(5,099 posts)
94. AND create this Frankensystem of health care
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 03:07 PM
16 hrs ago

But even with his warts, he was miles to the left of most current pols. A convenient symbol for moving left. He was called a "class traitor".

Some rads think Trump is actually good for them, that he'll finally get the masses moving. Personally, I don't think the suffering is worth it. But maybe it will happen.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,342 posts)
96. The two biggest demographic groups
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 03:14 PM
16 hrs ago

in the Democratic Party are blacks and Jews. Because of segregation, they didn't see many benefits from the new deal. And because FDR ignored the Holocaust, they don't hold him in high regard. So involking FDR and the New Deal is not the flex that some think it is.

usonian

(27,160 posts)
97. That's Barry Bostwick as FDR, known to many as "Brad" of Brad and Janet in The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 03:40 PM
15 hrs ago

betsuni

(29,436 posts)
85. "The socialists saw Roosevelt's liberalism as applying Band-Aides to capitalism to save it from a political
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 07:58 AM
23 hrs ago

revolution leading to socialism. Whenever Norman Thomas, the six-time Socialist presidential candidate, was asked if FDR was carrying out his socialist program, he would answer with one of his famous quips such as, 'Yes, he is carrying it out in a coffin.' ... Roosevelt's liberalism was a new, middle path, one step to the left of Hoover's conservative, small-government philosophy, and two steps to the right of socialism." Steven Stoft

Democrats are accused of only "tinkering/nibbling around the edges" -- "They're more interested in clinging to power than allow a grassroots mobilization which has the potential to transform America. They've become an impediment to that." Bernie Sanders

FDR was a liberal Democrat same as the modern Democratic Party. Don't listen to anyone who says FDR was a democratic socialist. It's the 21st century. (Also, FDR was a wealthy 1% establishment elite capitalist to his bones and people should stop weaponizing those words against Democrats.)

orthoclad

(5,099 posts)
95. A very real possibility
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 03:11 PM
16 hrs ago

The shine wasn't off Stalin yet, and communism was respectable. Look at Paul Robeson.

Would we have had a rev if not for FDR?

orthoclad

(5,099 posts)
92. Radicals complain that liberals
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 02:55 PM
16 hrs ago

eat up all the oxygen in the room. They have a point, that radical change is weakened by moderate change.

Fil1957

(970 posts)
65. If would be nice if for just once, the centrist Democrats would wake up, smell the coffee, read the room, etc.
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 08:23 PM
Wednesday

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,956 posts)
70. The lack of critical thinking really bothers me
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 09:02 PM
Wednesday

Just read the click bait and it's off with his head! WTF.

dlk

(13,439 posts)
73. Democrats must stay united against our common enemy, no matter what
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 11:36 PM
Wednesday

Far too much is at stake and internecine battles only weaken us.

gulliver

(14,160 posts)
75. That poster is extremely disrespectful to Jeffries
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 11:58 PM
Wednesday

Her post is wrong and a rotten way to treat Jeffries.

betsuni

(29,436 posts)
76. It's called politics. But it's against the law to pass up any opportunity to call Democrats corrupt or stupid.
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 12:15 AM
Yesterday

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

betsuni

(29,436 posts)
83. Polarizing the party helps Republicans wreck the country and ensures no progress.
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 01:51 AM
Yesterday

Slogans should be "No, we can't" "Infighting Together" "It's not me, it's you" "When we fight, you lose" "Hate trumps love" "I'm with me" "Republicans who?" "No solutions, just fighting" and so on.

Cha

(321,544 posts)
84. TY Nixie for that on Rep Jeffries being on Psaki's
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 02:04 AM
Yesterday

show.

He's brilliant, I'm so grateful he's fighting for us to Win the Midterms!

Bluetus

(3,298 posts)
91. Jeffries needs to "patch things up" with grass roots Democrats, while he still has the chance
Thu Jun 25, 2026, 11:09 AM
20 hrs ago

WTF is this, saying the guy who got elected mayor in a landslide and just did a clean sweep of his regional endorsements, and it was all based on solid progressive ideas, needs to "patch things up"?

It is Jeffries who needs to take a look at the ground he is standing on. If he keeps this up, he may not end up being Speaker.

I don't support it serves any Dem interests at this point to have a public fight for the Speaker ship, but progressives in the House had better be meeting with Jeffries to let him know his support as future Speaker is not guaranteed. And if he doesn't get that message, why does he think he can win his next primary?

Think about it. AOC knocked out an entrenched institutionalist. Mamdani's endorsee knocked off Goldman, who isn't a bad guy, but just a little too timid for the times. Why would Jeffries think this can't happen to him? JEFFRIES is the one who should be hat in hand at this point, and asking Mamdani for advice how to proceed.

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