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If you wanted to persuade a teenager in the United States to develop critical thinking skills, empathy, and awareness of the world around them, what would be your top 5 books you recommend? Critical limit on this...you have to have read them yourself.
I know some will put books out there that aren't as obvious to me or others. If you want to state why you think it is a top 5...feel free, but if not that is great too. Just looking for perspectives.
Mine would be:
1)Night by Elie Weisel
The extreme violence and destruction of human souls is occurring daily even now. Currently in Syria but recently in Iraq, Bosnia, Congo, and more. It is important for people to see the depths humans are capable of from the individual perspective of one boy who was forever changed.
2)1984 by George Orwell
This book characterizes a dystopian future that we are actually very close to achieving, but again Love is a central theme--both real love and the way love is manipulated.
3)To Kill a Mockingbird by
Such a terrific portrayal of racism, fear of "other", and of course bravery in the face of hate, honorable treatment of others, and love.
4)Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
This is a timeless book capturing personal triumph over injustice--love despite despair, the rich with boot heels on the necks of the poor, a desire of some people to change the world through violence, and a thousand other great moral lessons. Much longer than the others but so satisfying in it's scope.
5)Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
A perfect way for young people to realize most of established society will lock us into an insect-like existence as we slave for the machine. There are countless works informed by this wonderful story. Again, hopefully it helps young people realize they can become their own person--not trapped in meaningless drudgery.
Many, many honorable mentions: Fahrenheit 451, A Brave New World, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Catcher in the Rye, Of Mice and Men, Slaughterhouse 5, Fictions by Luis Borges, 100 Years of Solitude, Count of Monte Cristo, Our Town, Human Comedy, Things Fall Apart, The Stranger, and many others.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Why?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)I would say something like Nickled & Dimed, and anything produced by Morgan Spurlock. Get to the real issues of today, experienced by ordinary citizens.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)In my opinion...
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Now I'm kind of going back and forth, but I'll keep trying to whittle it down to two more.
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is one of my favorites
RedRocco
(454 posts)Stranger in a Strange Land
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)but not without value.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Ok, but when you hand it to the kid, how do you keep yourself from saying "this is a bullshit Libertarian wet dream fairytale?"
I mean, the kid will probably realize it anyway inside of the first 10 pages, but the urge to give that disclaimer must be nigh overwhelming.
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)i think what struck me as a teen with that book was how the feminine characters in the book were portrayed. i probably need to re-read it again (it's been more than a couple decades) with a more overarching politically critical eye.
but in the late 60s when i read it (early 70s?) it had a great impact on how i perceived what a woman could do in society
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Sometimes they strike me as quite strong and self-assured, but other times they seem like fantasy women dreamed up by an aging Golden Age s/f writer.
Still, the stories have some great and classic s/f ideas, so that counts for something!
depended on the page how the characters came off.
still, great reads IMHO back in the day.....
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)Orrex
(63,224 posts)I like the contrast drawn between his earlier and later works.
A friend suggested to me that Heinlein was given more editorial freedom later in life, and perhaps this combines with what the author here has observed.
Anyway, thanks for the link!
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...his last director was...
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I feel pretty bizarre.
No disrespect intended...just a weak attempt at humor.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)but it was pretty funny. hope you feel better. I have 1000 books to read now aside from the ones I'll recommend to my daughter.
malaise
(269,157 posts)then
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
then
The Grapes of Wrath and David Copperfield
CanonRay
(14,113 posts)I read it in 8th grade, and it really made an impression on me.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)"Johnny Got His Gun" by Dalton Trumbo. I had to read it in high school. Very depressing, but does get its readers to think.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)lent to me by my neighbor... he said it was really depressing and I think I might not read it after all and Sand County Almanac has its merits but it's kind of hard to get through.
But I would like to suggest that anyone recommending George Orwell's 1984 also include his Animal Farm as a complement to the point he was making. Also, Lord of the Flies, Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, Shock Doctrine or No Logo by Naomi Klein, and last but not least would be Searching for Yellowstone by Paul Schullery. All made an impression on me regarding the American human-cultural condition over time. Only Naomi Klein's books weren't required reading in various stages of my schooling.
Oops, Klein and Schullery aren't fiction but worth it anyway.
GoCubsGo
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2naSalit
(86,775 posts)and there are some really good suggestions on this thread that I might have offered if I had thought of them before the others. But I like to read so I thought it would be fun to see what others were suggesting as well as offer my own... kind of like a word game sort of thing. Funny though, I wasn't much of a reader until I got to college, which is really good since I had to read about half of a large library!
Oh, and Michener's Chesapeake is pretty good, or maybe his Hawai'i...?
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Also good, although I've been reading it for about three years. It's always that way with Michener's books.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)how much time you have to sit and read... but I haven't read Alaska so now I have get that and read it.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)on Alaska's very interesting history. I think he starts with dinosaurs or woolly mammoths (it's been so long ago since I started the book, I can't remember) and moves forward into the '80s, I believe. The last part I remember reading was about the Nome gold rush.
Mass
(27,315 posts)Mockingbird (Harper Lee), and, The Grapes of Wrath (Steinbeck).
Difficult choice, too many to list, but those are the 5 books that impressed me the most.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)so I love seeing everyone's perspectives to build up my reserve of books to read.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Watership Down, by Richard Adams
Interpreter of Maladies, Jhumpa Lahiri
and
Beloved, Toni Morrison
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)An Interrupted Life by Etty Hillesum.
Those made an impact on me when I was younger.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)LP2K12
(885 posts)These are coming from a 26 year old. I'm only a "few" years out of my teenage time.
1) The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien
2) Night by Elie Weisel
3) To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
4) Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison
Some may only know this as the film, Soylent Green.
5) Oh, the Places You'll Go! by Dr. Seuss
Yes, I am serious. Give this to a teenager as a graduation gift and watch how their understanding of the book has changed from when they were a child. I received this as a gift from on of my teachers on the day I graduated and I still have it. I also bought it for my sister-in-law for her graduation.
Honorable mentions: Clockwork Orange, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Fahrenheit 451, The Kite Runner, The Importance of Being Earnest, Jane Eyre, Crime and Punishment...
peacebird
(14,195 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,289 posts)If you really want to influence someone's life, maybe you need more than imaginative fiction, however good. Unfortunately, most of the replies in this thread are votes for works of great emotive power, admittedly often to good purpose, but many are just good reads, and not necessarily much more. A really life-altering read needs to do more than just open the emotional faucets, it needs to instill new IDEAS (which can be done in fiction, too) and new ways of thinking. I'd give any well-written high school or college math or science textbook more points on that scale than any of the fiction I've read. (I suppose I should add biography and history too, but most of that I've read has been outside of school.)
It's disappointing to see how few suggestions are even historical or biographical. My own favorite book for most of my life was the encyclopedia. There's not a single work of fiction I've ever read that really influenced me because -- it's FICTION. It's stories that people MADE UP. The character are NOT REAL PEOPLE. The author can make them say or do ANYTHING, whether it makes sense or not, whether it could ever happen in reality or not. I do read fiction for escapism, but even the most imaginative fiction pales next to good narrative non-fiction -- stuff that actually happened, or happens, in the real world.
NashvilleLefty
(811 posts)"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year olds life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
I also find it interesting that anytime books are banned for any reason, Fahrenheit 451 is always on the list.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)I just read The Hobbit to my 8 y.o. grandson and naturally picked up LOTR again for the first time in years. For me, not for him just yet.
Yes, I do think "a bookish 14 year old" might find LOTR (the books, not the movies) life-changing in a very positive way. I read it to my son when he was about 10, and both he and his older sister ended up loving it. She listened to the tapes of the book until they wore out. Neither one of them tried pointy ears, either.
My belief is that LOTR contains a treasure-trove of wonderful and beautiful language -- English, not Elvish -- and demonstrations of great courage, kindness, compassion, ethical behavior, and sacrifice, all wrapped up in a great adventure without a single speck of preaching.
Atlas Shrugged -- not so much!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)was how "green" it was...I read them at the tender age of 10 (always a bookworm) and have been an environmentalist ever since.
azlatina
(60 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)"Jesus, you people are reading the wrong fucking books".
lol.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)Read by his son. When they run a two free selection special you can pick it up for nothing.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)simply amazing
intaglio
(8,170 posts)What about "The Emperors New Mind" by Penrose or "Goedel, Escher, Bach" by Hofstadter? "How to Lie with Statistics" (Darrel Huff) is essential reading for everybody.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)through all my years of reading memoirs, political analysis, etc. I've never been as moved by those books as compelling as they may be as I have been moved by the greatest writing of fiction.
AnnieBW
(10,457 posts)Because anyone, no matter how small, can make a difference.
JI7
(89,264 posts)something fantasy or sci fi or similar.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)You would be better off having them watch the movie versions of the books; they would pay attention and comprehend what the themes of the books are.
What was the last time you even saw a teen reading an actual book?
But if they read then......
Being and Nothingness by Sartre, Candide by Voltaire, and Gulliver's Travels by Swift would be a fine add's IMHO
FSogol
(45,525 posts)Catch 22 - Joesph Heller
Slaughterhouse 5 - Kurt Vonnegut
Lord Jim - Joseph Conrad
The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain
Honorable Mention
Walk on the Wild Side by Nelson Algren
The Basketball Diaries by Jim Carroll
The Dharma Bums by Jack Kerouac
Galapagos by Kurt Vonnegut
The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' by Joseph Conrad
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
No Picnic on Mount Kenya by Felice Benuzzi (Non fiction)
Maus by Art Spiegelman
Henderson the Rain King by Saul Bellow
Skippy Dies by Paul Murray
Of Human Bondage by W. Somerset Maugham
surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)... Great Expectations, and A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens), and also Gulliver's Travels (Swift).
Skittles
(153,193 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)And I have a baby boy who will be there eventually.
She was reading aloud some horribly written teen horse shit a couple years back, so I pulled 1984 off the shelf and said, "here. Try this."
She was riveted and so moved by it. She has craved similar fare since that time.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)"Courtship Rite" by Donald Kingsbury
http://www.amazon.com/Courtship-Rite-Donald-Kingsbury/dp/067145224X
"Blindsight" by Peter Watts (it's fiction but be sure to read the appendixes)
http://www.amazon.com/Blindsight-Peter-Watts/dp/0765319640/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_8
This one can be read online, it's been released under creative commons.
http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
"Calculating God" by Robert J Sawyer (not a dystopia but delves into a great many philosophical issues in an entertaining way)
http://www.amazon.com/Calculating-God-Robert-J-Sawyer/dp/0765322897
stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)I don't think anyone has mentioned it.
Pisces
(5,602 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Meetings With Remarkable Men- G I Gurdjieff
Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)1) Howard Zinn's "A People's History Of The United States"
2) Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"
3) David Montgomery's "Beyond Equality: Labor and the Radical Republicans 1866-74"
4) Plutarch's "Lives of the Noble Romans and Greeks"
5) Joseph Schumpeter's "Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy"
If you don't know why I included them, READ THEM!
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Period.
gordianot
(15,243 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Ron Koertge
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)1. Lord of the Flies
Lessons in what happens when a society devolves into savagery. I think we have seen a recent real life example of this in Ohio.
2. Animal Farm.
Anything that Orwell has written is excellent. This on shows how we can easily become that which we have fought against if we aren't careful.
3. The Handmaid's Tale
Note to Republicans this is a cautionary tale not a manual for legislation.
4. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
I am glad things have gotten better in the treatment of people with mental illness. But, we have so very far to go. This is still good though a study in how we treat people who are different even if we rarely institutionalize them anymore.
5. The Lottery
Although it is a short story it's a must read. A story I find similar is Hunger Games. But, the Lottery is shorter and in some ways more chilling.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I'm trying to avoid repeats.
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Because no matter what you do, sometimes the world just doesn't make sense. Just roll with it. And the answer is always 42. This book also can prove to rebellious teenagers who balk at school stuff that reading can be fun, not just a chore.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
The Harry Potter series is good too - some of the lessons to learn: Don't believe everything you're told. The authorities are not always right.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)An urban survival manual, sort of.
notundecided
(196 posts)The First and Last Freedom, The Plumed Serpent by D.H. Lawrence
Whisp
(24,096 posts)It is creative and fascinating and challenges a lot of status quo stuff and is just plain fun to read too. Highly recommend to any of any age if you haven't tried a Robbins yet. Serious jocularity from a beautiful mind.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Did you ever see the movie with Uma Thurman?
it was pretty true and good to the book , iirc.
patrice
(47,992 posts)because he's witty and sarcastic in a positive sort of way, very topical, relevant reads all.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Great books. And fun to read.
patrice
(47,992 posts)I remember feeling ever so daring reading a story about hippies discovering the mummified body of Christ.
Loved it!
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)..... (just kidding!)
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)What idiots
Recursion
(56,582 posts)... liking Rand, in fact there's something kind of healthy about it. It's when it last pasts your 20th birthday that you need to be concerned.
That said, Fountainhead is probably better for a teenager.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)Totally bought into it and the latter Heinlein books where he went bat shit crazy with the libertarian crap.
Then I grew up. Ursula k Guinn's Left hand of Darkness, Ellison's Dangerous Visions, Piercy's Woman on the Edge of Time. People exploring humanity, not capitalism with a big C
I also clued into the fact that Heinlein's heroines were typically well endowed redheads with mad skillz who fall in love with some homely hero and really justs wants to be protected by him.
patrice
(47,992 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)As a 6th grade teacher my favorite book to do with the students was Stargirl by Jerry Spinneli. Easy reading compared to all the above suggestions but so great at addressing issues of individuality & nonconformity. It's considered a young adult novel (ages 12 and up). Boys like it, too!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler
Debt: the first 5,000 years by David Graeber
The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
Class Warfare by Noam Chomsky
With only 5 recommendations, I picked the theme of "everything you think you know is wrong". We are absolutely inculcated with a litany of bullshit here in America. Even supposedly well-educated thinkers so often base their opinions on facts, things they were taught during that educational period, that are simply not true and therefore, come to completely erroneous conclusions. Our own President is a great example as he appears to be completely convinced that taxation of profits stifles growth. He voluntarily compares his beliefs with those espoused by ronald reagan despite three decades of proof to the contrary.
I think it is vital for young minds to examine everything. As we used to say, "question authority".
patrice
(47,992 posts)tooo heavy for teenagers, but interesting from the perspective of the mythopoetic roots of Western European poetry.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)It was the first book I remember reading that literally turned my world upside down. That whole "everything you know is wrong" thing. Of course it lead me to look even more closely at the whole myth and conclude that Jesus probably never existed at all.
No, I haven't read that. In truth, this was the only one of his books I did read as my interests don't overlap very much with his work. King Jesus was a novelization, but it raised so many questions for me that inspired my to look more deeply into the matter. After I read it, I found Bishop Spong and I was off.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)A must read for all animal lovers.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Matrix until they can recite it line by line, and start questioning the cultural wasteland we live in.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)The story of a young boy who is tricked into genocide by the military industrial complexes use of video games. It touches on many societal issues on many different levels and, in the end- through sibling love/rivalry, cynicism and (un)natural brilliance, the boy turns out alright.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)"A Confederacy of Dunces"
John Kennedy Toole
It sums up the human experience quite well.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)But coildmt remember of iy was ok for teenager
Whisp
(24,096 posts)to the books I see listed here.
Catcher in the Rye - it's been a long while since I read it but when I got a hold of a copy I was anticipating this jewel that everyone was exclaiming about and it was dead pan boring to me.
Le Guin's science fiction is more than amazing. She is a very creative thinker abd goes places unimagined. Page turning can not get much better.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The Earthsea Trilogy by Le Guin.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)The Left Hand of Darkness for a deep meditation on gender -- and politics.
Almost anything by her, really. She's still writing and has grown with the times. She's deeply intelligent.
It's nice to meet a fellow fan. I've been trying to collect all her books, but I think that may be impossible because she is so prolific!
Botany
(70,581 posts)Breakfast of Champions
The Old Man and the Sea
Catcher in the Rye
Spell of the Yukon by Robert Service
The executioner's song
All Quite on the Western Front.
The David Allen Story by Skinner
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)A young person could relate ........teaches a very important lesson
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle David Wrobelewski
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)The Lord of the Flies, To Kill a Mockingbird, Flowers For Algernon. For an older teen, the Handmaid's Tale.
Edited to add A Tree Grows in Brooklyn and The Grapes of Wrath.
blm
(113,091 posts).
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)I read it myself at the urging of my oldest. It has quite an impact.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Seven pillars of wisdom by lawrence
The histories by Herodotus
Lord of the rings tolkien
old mannand the sea hemmingway
Prester john by buchan
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's a great one. And I wish I had read Herodotus earlier.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)It just opens up the whole of the region at the time to you. Also love the mixing of legends etc with his eye witness accounts. Lawrence is just a great tale and what one man can achieve.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He did it after the war, as T. E. Shaw. It's incredible.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Story.
eppur_se_muova
(36,289 posts)mia
(8,362 posts)Lots of my favorites are already listed here.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think it's great for a teenager to come to know and love Socrates, but Republic is a hard place to start, IMO.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)to young people
mia
(8,362 posts)The "Might makes Right" argument was what struck me the most in high school. I still have my tattered paperback from nearly 50 years ago and have referred to it many times since.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I teach middle school and some of those are out of bounds, comprehension wise, for most. I teach ages 11-15, with most in the 12-14 age range.
Some of my students have read # 1 -3, plus some of your honorable mentions.
Many modern teens don't relate to literature set in times they don't understand, and don't really want to. Of course, I get many students who would never pick a book up, at all, EVER, if I didn't force them to. Thinking about the book is the next step.
Getting them to engage means bringing them something they can understand and relate to, so some classic fiction needs a lot of front-loading about the setting.
A few other choices, in random order:
Briar Rose by Yolen
Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher
Siddhartha by Hesse
I agree with the poster above who suggested Le Guin. Here are some authors who have more than one worthy selection:
John Green; just about anything he's written
Marcus Zusak
Sherman Alexie
Phillip Pullman
Madeline L'Engle
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I get exactly your point and it wasn't just modern teens, there was a bunch of stuff listed I didn't want to read either and I read Dickens and Kipling for fun at that age.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)While both are uproariously funny (I couldn't read them in public as I'd burst out laughing), anyone, from kids to adults can enjoy these books. They are a way to teach kids what corruption is (and the creatures from "hell" are just about as corrupt as those in our world today!), provides a taste of modern physics in a fun way, and overall teaches an analysis of "good" and "evil." Wittiest footnotes on the planet.
libinnyandia
(1,374 posts)gulliver
(13,193 posts)The Catcher in the Rye
Meditations of Marcus Aurelius
Breakfast of Champions
The Lord of the Rings
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's just my favorite book so I put it on almost any list, but it's the right heft for a teenager. It's coy without being too difficult, and rewards multiple re-readings.
HMS Surprise by Pat O'Brien.
If you want to develop a reading addiction, O'Brien is a proven gateway author.
Don Quixote
But make sure it's a good translation.
Wuthering Heights
This might be a little heavy, but it's a really good book and is about people their age
Zarathustra
I mean, come on. If you're going to do teenage existential angst (and they are) go straight to the source.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Some updates, maybe?
Here's one my daughter enjoyed: It's Kind of a Funny Story by Ned Vizzini
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...human nature has not changed since the great books were written.
I didn't suggest that our kids shouldn't read classic literature. Not at all. But, it is silly to not even look at books written in the last 25 years.
Was not the OP asking for suggestions? Do you object to mine?
geez.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)by John Steinbeck
patrice
(47,992 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)told in plain language that rings true.
patrice
(47,992 posts)All of those thousands of little choices that an artist makes, Steinbeck makes each one of them the best possible. The forward in my last copy of that book told the story of what he went through to get it right. It was NOT easy for him. He worked at it extremely hard; he must have cared a great deal.
was a real craftsman with a soul. I'd think some poetry would be great for teens. Ginsburg, Lao-Tsu, Whitman, ....so many.
patrice
(47,992 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)I love that one....
Also for a fiction...but based on history.
I loved Herman Wouk's
War and Remembrance
Winds of War
They are the about WWII...Many Americans see WWII as starting Dec 7, 1941 Pearl Harbour Attack.
War is a cobweb and there are many countries, characters and datelines.
It shows the perpectives from American, English, German, Israeli , Russian and the other countries involved.
patrice
(47,992 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)throw some russell, hegel, and wittgenstein in there for good measure
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Classics include: Repent Harlequin, Said The Ticktockman, Demon With A Glass Hand, Jefty Was Five, I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream, A Boy And His Dog.
Also, the period Classic, The Glass Teat.
Aw, just have him read ANYTHING by good 'ol Harlan. He's one of the most prolific and prophetic writers of our time.
He's written entirely short stories, and TV scripts. If you watched TV in the 60s, you saw some of his work.
madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)A Moveable Feast is my favorite book.
reACTIONary
(5,771 posts)...several times. And he has read it on his own.
I recommend the expanded edition that restores some material Twain had to cut to make its size compatible with Tom Sawyer.
pinto
(106,886 posts)I'd add Moby Dick, but reneged. Took me three tries to get through it. A classic though.
patrice
(47,992 posts)HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)guess it's time.
patrice
(47,992 posts)it, whenever I want to. It's the type of work that no matter where you happen to pick it up, it's worth it!
I have paperback that's a little worn too, but I like the iPod because I can wear it when I exercise or clean house or drive or whatever.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)Favorite that I read again every few years
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)I might throw in some Gene Wolfe... Perhaps Haldeman's Forever War.
patrice
(47,992 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)read it a dozen or more times!
2. Old Yeller...classic
3.Beach Music by Pat Conroy
Spanning three generations and two continents, from the contemporary ruins of the American South to the ancient ruins of Rome, from the unutterable horrors of the Holocaust to the lingering trauma of Vietnam, Beach Music sings with lifes pain and glory. It is another masterpiece in PAT CONROYS legendary list of beloved novels.
Another book I have read multiple times...a must read.
4. Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck
5.of Thee I Sing..A Letter to My Daughters by Barack Obama
http://suite101.com/article/review-of-barack-obamas-of-thee-i-sing-a-letter-to-my-daughters-a334501#ixzz2H70uKTGG
2theleft
(1,136 posts)None of these are going to be considered great literature at this point in time, but, in my opinion are well written books with stories that this age group can relate to and are written by modern authors
Pat Conroy...The Great Santini, The Prince of Tides, Lords of Discipline, Beach Music, The Water is Wide...I just LOVE his books. I am from the South, so that may be my draw, but his books are just so relateable.
I also adore Barbara Kingsolver. The Poisonwood Bible is an amazing story that will make you cry.
Rain of Gold by Victor Villasenor.
Before Women Had Wings by Connie Fowler.
My 15 year old step-daughter loves all of the books by Jodi Piccoult. I also like to read her books for an easy read, especially if I'm looking for a good cry. She also borrowed my copy of The Boy in the Striped Pajamas. That book affected her I think more than other she has read to date.
My step-son who is 12 is an AVID reader. He just finished Gods and Generals and now wants to read Roots. He is in love with Pat Conroy novels...which thrills me because PC is one of my favorite authors. He writes beautifully. He did his 6th grade summer book report on The Water is Wide. Love that kid. He also really liked Seabuscuit and Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand.
And, I really think The Kite Runner is a must read.
Just finished two great books - Cutting for Stone and The Dove Keepers. Have passed those around to people at work, and everyone has really liked them both so far.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Pat Conroy is fabulous. I have read all of them. You are right The Water is Wide was a great read.Have you read South of Broad also.
Jodi Piccoult is an easy read as you say...however I do love the writing and the relationships she builds in her characters. My favorite was My Sister's Keeper. The lawyer/child relationship was great! She does know how to write.
I made note of some of the books you just mentioned. Thanks for the tip.
sheshe
2theleft
(1,136 posts)I can never decide which of his is my favorite. South of Broad is the one book my soon to be husband will read every year. One of his top 5 faves of all time and he probably reads more than any person I've ever met.
I think my favorite JP book was Plain Truth. The Amish lifestyle/belief system fascinates me. But My Sister's Keeper was the first I had read and it's probably right up there with my fave.
Have you ever read Barbara Kingsolver?? If not, I HIGHLY recommend The Poisonwood Bible. HIGHLY.
I really wish I didn't have to work so I could just read ALL day.
patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Finger Post by Iain Pears
Sorry! I know that's more than 5, but I just love books!
patrice
(47,992 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)Catcher in the rye
1984
Slauterhouse 5
Of mice and men
To kill mockimgbird
Lord of flies
he hunger games for fum for them
salinen
(7,288 posts)"Enchanted Vagabonds" Dana Lamb
"The Physician"
"Microcosmic God" Theodore Sturgeon
"Mind Magic"
"Great Expectations" Dickens
JEB
(4,748 posts)So many great books, some I want to re-read and others I've not found before. So many books, so little time. I was a teen a long time back, but still think about some of the books I read back then. Great stuff.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)The Stand, The Handmaid's Tale, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, The Poisonwood Bible, Slaughterhouse 5, Moby Dick, The Lord of The Rings, Pride and Prejudice, A Prayer For Owen Meany, The Plague of Doves, Catch 22, Les Miserables, The Count of Monte Cristo, Another Roadside Attraction, Lord of the Flies, The Color Purple, The Prince of Tides, Magister Ludi, Great Expectations...
...so many profound, thought provoking great books containing ideas brilliantly conveyed by amazing stories, so little time.
I love books.
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson
Thanks for this Op. I realize that I have many of these books. Wonderful
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Had quite an impact on me as a young adolescent, as did To Kill a Mockingbird. I couldn't get through Moby Dick.
Stargleamer
(1,990 posts)including the more obscure titles, like Candles to the Sun.
James Baldwin, Alice Walker, Carson McCullers, George Eliot, and Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte too.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)The Demon Haunted World - Carl Sagan
COSMOS -- Carl Sagan
Lies My Teacher Told Me - James Loewen
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Letters From the Earth - Mark Twain
The Mysterious Stranger - Mark Twain
Leaves of Grass -- Whitman
Joseph Campbell's Video Lectures - The Hero's Journey and others
The Eye of the Beholder - Twilight Zone episode
COSMOS-The 13 part TV series on DVD
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance--Robert Pirsig
The Art of Living--Lin Yutang (1936)
This is an obscure but wonderful book.
God is NOT Great - Christopher Hitchens
The Century of the Self--BBC TV series on Edward Bernays and the development of the public relations industry and mass advertising (on YouTube)
And God Created the Integers - Stephen Hawking
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I do find it interesting that Grapes of Wrath is not mentioned far as I can tell.
That is my #1 book I would share.
I would promote UNIONS and books promoting UNIONS if I wanted political books.
And a good book on John Lennon
as opposed to the book the asshole that killed him in cowardly cold blood was reading.
and make them watch Lincoln and Angels in America
and a good book on Stonewall
and even better, make them go often to Washington DC to see the FDR and MLK memorials,
and go to Texas and learn about how great LBJ was.
and finally there is a great book showing how bad Thomas Jefferson really was, so that would be added to the list, the vile hypocrite that Jefferson was needs to be exposed
And Fraud by Paul Waldman on how the Bush family wins elections doing what they do,
and Russ Baker's Bush family Secrets and how they brought Nixon down.
Most all, I would make sure they are registered Democrats and only vote for Democratic candidates and in the rare instance someone who will caucus with them and never, ever vote for a 3rd party division candidate like Nader or John Anderson or Ross Perot.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)America's Mayor: John V. Lindsay and the Reinvention of New York
Bob Graham-Intelligence Matters
brewens
(13,620 posts)on them.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)"Stranger in a Strange Land"
"Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn
"The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle
"More Than Human" by Theodore Sturgeon
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)I remember it had quite an effect on me at 17.
catpuke9000
(4 posts)That is a very scathing book. Mainstreet is good too. Helps you to not suffer fools I guess, maybe?
The fun part of reading though, is discovering books, not reading them because they are canon.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Stranger in a Strange Land
The Riverworld Series by PJ Farmer
Old Man and The Sea
Slaughterhouse Five
and maybe As I lay Dying
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I am learning a lot about a variety of books. I am doing some analysis and hope to post it, but it looks like there is definite consensus on a few "greats" that are seen as appropriate for teens.
Will keep reading as they keep coming.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)I recommended LOTR upthread, and all those mentioned here are good.
Enjoy....
MrYikes
(720 posts)bible
dictionary
encyclopedia
back to basics
foxfire
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I did that when I was 22, but I am weird.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I read my first encyclopedia at age 10. Very helpful.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But you're going to depress the crap out of this kid.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Autobiography of Malcom X
Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse
The Man in High Castle by Phillip K Dick
Shogun by Clavell
The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes
Faulkner's Snopes trilogy
The Dubliners by James Joyce
Ursula K Le Guin The Left Hand of Darkness
Walter M Miller A Canticle for Leibowitz
Heart of Darkness by Conrad
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)If I've read any of her, I have forgotten It was her who wrote it. That's the great thing about these threads. Lot's of stimulation for more literary adventures.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Instead, start before the child can even read and read to the child. Read books that make him or her laugh and cry and learn. Then, as the child learns to read for him or herself, make sure he or she has access to a wide range of materials and let the child choose for him or herself.
If you do this, by the time the child is a teenager, he or she will choose books well and read books that appeal to whatever state he or she is in at any given time.
Don't wait.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)But actually I was younger than that: I remember I started reading it/them in third grade right after reading The Hobbit and I started reading that right after our school librarian read us the chapter Riddles in the Dark to get us interested in books. Probably took me a year....
But it works.
mrs_p
(3,014 posts)Perhaps Beneath the Wheel or Siddhartha
Metamorphosis is a great suggestion!
and some Twain - Huck Finn!!
samsingh
(17,601 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Savage Inequalities: Children in American Schools by Jonathan Kozol.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Very sad and real story of many an Irish family.
truckin
(576 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Siddhartha, Life of Pi, Huck Finn, Trout Fishing in America. Off the top of my head.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)2) "The Intelligent Investor: A Book of Practical Counsel" by Benjamin Graham
3) "How to Fix (Just About) Everything : More Than 550 Step-by-Step Instructions for Everything from Fixing a Faucet to Removing Mystery Stains to Curing a Hangover" by Bill Marken
4) "What to Expect When You're Expecting" by Hathaway & Eisenberg, et. al.
5) "The Bible" by many people
Whovian
(2,866 posts)for many years suggesting Delta as a first read.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)..and get to the 4th book.
applegrove
(118,778 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,184 posts)The Catch Trap by Marion Zimmer Bradley
The Front Runner by Patricia Nell Warren
Both fine coming of age stories, with a slightly different perspective, for broadening the mind.
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)race-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Son
emotion and empathy and evil- (Lloyd Alexander - Welsh mythology)
(better than Narnia or LOTR. unbelievably good, really. read them yourself!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Prydain
humor and history-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Grit_%28novel%29
words cannot describe- the only book so good i started and haven't finished - i will someday...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Confederacy_of_Dunces
beyond even words- Flannery O'Connor's short stories are without a doubt the greatest things ever put to paper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Stories_%28O%27Connor%29
also-
Cat's Cradle for KV, but all of his books chronologically...why not?
The Little Prince
Animal Farm def. better than 1984 for starters- i'm still haunted by 1984...
here's one i'd be surprised if anyone's heard of: (i read the Unlikely Knights one like 10 times- totally great)
http://charlesgramlich.blogspot.com/2009/07/fridays-forgotten-books-five-yard.html
I first discovered Five-Yard Fuller in my local small town library. I dont know exactly what year I read it but it was published in 1964. To my amazement, and some slight irritation, I found there were actually some sequels to this book. I sure would have liked to have read those too back in the day. One was called Five-Yard Fuller and the Unlikely Knights. Another was Five-Yard Fullers Mighty Model T, and yet another was Five-Yard Fuller and the NY Gnats, which, from what Ive been able to glean on the net is actually about Fuller playing baseball. All were published in the sixties.
-skip-
This is definitely a young adult/kids book. Its probably not the cup of tea of many of you out there, but it sure did bring back some pleasant memories.
Tikki
(14,559 posts)when I was a young housewife.
I had both of my sons read it in their teens and plan to have my granddaughter read it, also.
"The Pied Piper of Tucson" by Don Moser, Jerry Cohen.http://www.amazon.com/The-Pied-Piper-Of-Tucson/dp/B000GJDQ92
Not unlike the stories of the Manson family, it chronicles the slide into control of a charismatic
young adult with a group of young Tucson at~risk teens who follow his lead of law breaking and ultimately, murder.
We talked about how one person can trap another person into doing harm based on perceived realities.
It wasn't meant to scare them as much as to let them know these people exist and how red flags
waving hard around a new acquaintance should NEVER be ignored.
Tikki
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Country."
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Like all the best books they leave you with a lifetime of thought.
Pisces
(5,602 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)very interesting project, to say the least. Once I post the summary, I'll let everyone have another crack at it to see if they want to add to the list or change their selections, etc.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I loved the movie, too.
patrice
(47,992 posts)too and I don't care what anyone says, I don't have to subscribe to their rules about how to believe.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Selections on cosmology, molecular biology, and general systems theory.
But the best choices change from year-to-year.
Raine
(30,540 posts)UBCchuck
(22 posts)"Bury my heart at Wounded Knee" should be required reading in all United States high schools. Ishmael by Daniel Quinn is one of my favorites also maybe the most significant book I have read.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)and The People's History of The United States, by Howard Zinn.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Jungle by Upton Sinclair
Critical Path by Buckminster Fuller
Any books by Chalmers Johnson
Any books by David Cay Johnston, Paul Krugman or Joseph Stiglitz
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
The Untold History of the United States by Oliver Stone
Secrets of the Temple by William Greider
Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt
Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning by Chris Hedges
All books by James Bamford
I could go on and on and on.... Just tell them to read, read, read! Any and all of the books that have been mentioned by everyone are great ones to not miss for sure!
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)Dandelion Wine-Ray Bradbury
Book Of Lost Things-John Connolly
Collected short stories by Philip K. Dick
Collected short stories by H.P. Lovecraft
Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)first-year and sophomores.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Contrast of darkness and comedy, depth and lightness of spirit; for kids, most of it should be quick page turning and fun with some sudden moments of awful truth. Try this list - The Best Dark Humour: http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/3753.Best_Dark_Humor?page=2
And, if they get tired of laughing while terrified, choose some titles from The Canon of Great Books. There's so much to choose from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_books
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)So here's a 16 yr old girl's list...please note that she's raided a fair few of my books and co-opted them for her own. I occasionally still buy tangible books but most of my library is now digital so she doesn't "see" as many books anymore that may grab her attention like they would on a bookshelf. We own most of the books on your list Pretzel Warrior so she's had a chance to read them both at home and at school. She's a voracious reader and has never been censored. She's read everything and anything including the Bible! all the way to the Kama Sutra. She's currently reading Great Expectations ("blech" for English class, just finished 1984 (again for class - her review was that it was "okay" but Handmaid's Tale was "better" . She thought "Night" was just too damn depressing and even though she loved the book, she would never read it again she says - its like "my soul was covered in black ink when I finished". She was adamant she'd never read it again.
A Child is Born by Lennart Nilsson
Harry Potter for clever wit and the perfect depiction of a completely different world
The Hunger Games for a nuanced view of a post-Armegedden world
The Book Thief by Markus Zusak
Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon (she loves Lat Am lit)
Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson
Monster by Walter Dean Myers
My Sister's Keeper for emotional wallop and ethical choices, and the power of a kid, by Jodi Picoult
The Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls (she actually really like Walls and has read both her books)
anything by Neil Gaiman but especially the Graveyard Book
Freakonomics by Steven Levitt
The Art of Racing in the Rain by Garth Stein
The God Delusion by Dawkins.
Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi (loves the movie too)
The Idiot's guide to Philosophy
Mythology by Edith Hamilton
The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I've heard of a few of these authors due to the thread including Markus Zusak who I will be checking out now. I'll add them to the list.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)mia
(8,362 posts)Excellent!
BillyJack
(819 posts)It's a quick read with a beautiful theme/message that appeals to all ages.
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)Their Eyes Were Watching God, Hurston
The Terrible Twos, Ishmael Reed
Hocus Pocus, Vonnegut
Cat's Cradle, Vonnegut
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Keesey
The Betrayal of America, Bugliosi
Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain
malaise
(269,157 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Wrinkle in Time, Pawn of Prophecy, Blue Sword, Coming of Age in Mississippi -
First I would suck them into the love of reading. I especially love science fiction and fantasy because concepts can be explored safely "not here" then examined in the Now. If one starts by identifying with characters who overcome challenges, one is inspired to do likewise.
Once they love to read, they will find more questions for every answer they seek.
My take. Great thread.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Steinbeck's Travels With Charley; William Kennedy's Ironweed; Shelby Foote's Civil War. Although a mere starting-list, there are numerous life-changing perspectives to be found in these works.
Also, as tough as it might be, I'd strongly encourage reading Shakespeare's works and the King James Bible (as literature) -- for these are the foundation for most of English and American literature.