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Stanley B. Greenberg is the chief executive of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a polling company that works with center-left political parties in the United States and abroad.
My vantage point on voter behavior comes through my company, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, and its work for center-left parties globally, starting with Bill Clintons presidential campaign in 1992. For the last decade, I have worked in partnership with James Carville conducting monthly polls digging into Americas mood and studying how progressives can develop successful electoral strategies. (I am also married to a Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut, Rosa L. DeLauro.)
In analyzing these polls in the United States, I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government and that they associate Democrats with government. If Democrats are going to be encumbered by that link, they need to change voters feelings about government. They can recite their good plans as a mantra and raise their voices as if they had not been heard, but voters will not listen to them if government is disreputable.
But in smaller, more probing focus groups, voters show they are fairly cynical about Democratic politicians stands. They tune out the politicians fine speeches and plans and express sentiments like these: Its just words. Theres just such a control of government by the wealthy that whatever happens, its not working for all the people; its working for a few of the people. We dont have a representative government anymore.
This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy sidelines Democrats and liberalism. Just a quarter of the country is optimistic about our system of government the lowest since polls by ABC and others began asking this question in 1974. But a crisis of government legitimacy is a crisis of liberalism. It doesnt hurt Republicans. If government is seen as useless, what is the point of electing Democrats who aim to use government to advance some public end?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/tuning-out-the-democrats.html?_r=2&
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)And Majority Leader McConnell.
Then count the total votes for Representatives.
After that, perhaps you might consider a new hobby?
GentryDixon
(2,958 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Geez.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)the big deal."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)more votes cast for House Democrats, and the gains in the Senate.
Sometimes analysis can suck.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I think that is what he is raising the alarm over.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Why the hell did you post this given Democrats just kicked ass in the last election?
What the hell is the point?
dkf
(37,305 posts)Odd.
And it's not so much about the election but the effectiveness of government and the perception of government that is interesting to me.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #29)
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Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)gone on as long as it has.
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #41)
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alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Not allowed the ban, or no sexy time.
It's the only reason I can come up with.
Kingofalldems
(38,475 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)Thanks now I have to clean up my screen.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/3079:goodbye-to-all-that-reflections-of-a-gop-operative-who-left-the-cult
But I don't think it's working. It's boomeranging back on THEM.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 9, 2013, 11:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Didn't Newsmax or Fox have anything newer for you?
RL
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,475 posts)This is 2013.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Maybe you thought you would just give us a "drive-by" and leave a little turd.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Why is it a turd? It's poll data and the kind of thing that is used to craft strategies.
Moreover the guy is a Democratic pollster so why would he be suspect?
Why is it so hard to take what should be insightful at face value?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)react? When you drop some data with out giving your opinion, I call it a turd.
brush
(53,843 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)LOL!
Spazito
(50,453 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)RL
Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)brush
(53,843 posts)Who just won the election the presidency, alarger majority in the Senate and more votes in the house despite severely gerrymandered districts from the 2010 census? Perhaps new research is warranted considering the shrinking repug base and the fast growing dem coalition of Latinos, blacks, Asians, women, native Americans, gays and progressive whites. Am I leaving anyone out? Yep, I'd say new research is in order.
spanone
(135,873 posts)yardwork
(61,703 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)It seems to me that they didn't tune out!
This is a laughable opinion article if you ask me...
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)
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2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)What?
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)WTF? LOL!
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Why are you posting this now?
Response to dkf (Original post)
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Robb
(39,665 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Fun....
But wrong.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)At 30,000+ posts, I don't think the OP can qualify as a troll.
Now a deep mole on the other hand...
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)They got in by saying that they were the anti-Conservatives in 1997 but after then spending the next 10 years 1) Maintaining policies enacted by the Conservatives instead of undoing them, 2) Adopting more and more over-the-top surveillance and security state practices, 3) Allowing virtually unlimited immigration from Eastern Europe, which displaced a lot of would-be entry level British workers, and 4) Getting involved in Bush's wars, Labour lost their credibility with the British public.
It didn't help that Cameron put on his sweetie-pie face during the campaign and that a lot of people assumed that the Liberal Party in coalition with the Conservatives would keep their worst instincts in check. People were disappointed in Labour, and so they were out.
Now recent news reports are saying that Conservatives in Parliament were laughing gleefully as they cut benefits for the unemployed and working poor.
You may say that British voters were stupid to vote the Conservatives in, but if Labour had been doing its job instead of going all Third Way, they'd still be in power.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Barack Hussein Obama was re-elected president of the United States on Tuesday, overcoming powerful economic headwinds, a lock-step resistance to his agenda by Republicans in Congress and an unprecedented torrent of advertising as a divided nation voted to give him more time.
In defeating Mitt Romney, the president carried Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, Virginia and Wisconsin, a near sweep of the battleground states, and was holding a narrow advantage in Florida. The path to victory for Mr. Romney narrowed as the night wore along, with Mr. Obama winning at least 303 electoral votes.
A cheer of jubilation sounded at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago when the television networks began projecting him as the winner at 11:20 p.m., even as the ballots were still being counted in many states where voters had waited in line well into the night. The victory was far narrower than his historic election four years ago, but it was no less dramatic.
Tonight in this election, you, the American people, reminded us that while our road has been hard, while our journey has been long, we have picked ourselves up, we have fought our way back, Mr. Obama told his supporters early Wednesday. We know in our hearts that for the United States of America, the best is yet to come.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/obama-romney-presidential-election-2012.html?pagewanted=all
RC
(25,592 posts)Yeah, sure, ya betcha
See post #31 for what happen in Britain. There is nothing to stop the same thing from happening here. Nothing.
With all the Republicans Obama is appointing, it looks like it is happening here.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)and Republican governors conspiring to deny people the right to vote, and non-stop bullshit polls, the margin of victory would have been even greater.
RC
(25,592 posts)were honest (as politicians go) and had the best interest of the country in mind. You know, like Eisenhower Republicans and not the current crop of Off the Right side cliff, teabaggin', fascist obstructionists.
Romney got 47%? WTH? In a sane world, he should not even have been running. We need to balance Obama winning against what he was running against. Not doing that and we end up in the same ditch as the Republicans.
demwing
(16,916 posts)You know how it is here on Distracted Underground where...hey...wanna see a pic of a kitteh that looks just like Hitler?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)him out? Is that why Dems picked up seats in the last election because voters tuned them out.
I think there need to be some splain'n to do.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Romney got his 47% he likes to talk about.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)To the nearest hundredth of a percent:
Obama 51.03%
Romney 47.19%
Johnson 0.99%
Stein 0.36%
Others 0.43%
One source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Results
Tempest
(14,591 posts)But considering who the other candidates were, they were votes against Romney.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Nobody likes you and most people think you're a Republican troll, including myself.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)she thinks she is smarter than everyone here. Smug would be a good word.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Tempest
(14,591 posts)dkf should also come clean.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)loyalkydem
(1,678 posts)Bravo thank you for entertaining me.
Moses2SandyKoufax
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freshwest
(53,661 posts)Too many stand aside and rail at Democrats, call them corporate puppets and ignore local politics where this meme is pushed daily. It's pushed to the point the liberals and progressives are unable to advertise their product - which is government is for everyone, not a foe, not a burden, but OF ALL OF US.
I see at DU daily posts that say Democrats are part and parcel of a failed government, that we don't have control or voice, that unnamed or dramatically termed forces are running this, not us. The same voices that offer only grief and despair, along with a strong serving of disdain and spite, will never see anything that Obama and Dems do as enough. The GOP is powerful enough now without the sabotage.
We have a lot of people here, and in this nation, who want the system to collapse. For their idea of revolution and a return to nature, for some sort of community idea that they believe government is keeping them from achieving. Is it government, or is it the groups in society that they are afraidto deal with, then blame government?
The suspension of rules on the CT postings in the main forums is a good thing to make people who continously call Obama the sell-out, traitor to us all, call Democrats spineless, and both parties are the exact same, explain just what they want. Do they want a government of the people, when the only party that believes in it is the Democratic Party, not the outliers, the libertarians, etc. who want this government gone and out of their way?
Yes, we have big problems and they require either big government, or a magical changing of the hearts and minds of everyone. They've have to change to believe that every single person, including millions they don't even want to share the highways with, much their income or neighborhood, will happen.
Until that time, the Democratic Party and the government it is known for working within is our best bet. The other side are betting on us not voting and blowing it all off.
We have not had a chance in major media to make our case, and are not likely to have, any time soon. We have major programs that affect the lives of many, many millions of Americans, but the only things are said about them is people are getting screwed or they won't exist - just like conservatives have been saying since they began.
Govenment has become a dirty word, and that's reality. Part of that is the reality of the social contract. Many of us hate the MIC, but it's part of it. Those who adore and get money from it, hate social welfare programs. It is out of balance, but like it or not, it is the same animal. It one that we have either run from or refused it exists, but it does. Some want the entire government gone to get rid of the MIC, want default, want chaos because they think that somehow there will be a liberal, progressive system replace. I'd say the chances of that are NIL. Liberal and progressive means working within the system, not howling for the government's destruction.
It's why public workers, services, schools, parks and the rest are being stolen without a peep. Take a look around at local political offices and programs, watch who is involved in government. It is, and always will be WeThePeople. If not the Democrats, it will be the Republicans/Tea Partiers or Libertarians. It will be there, in some form or another.
Just my two cents.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Written after the 2010 disaster...crimminy.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)another example as to why I tune out dfk
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Yawn.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)administration here wouldn't do dick.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I've pretty much drawn the same conclusion myself!
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Bucky
(54,065 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)We really need to think through what we're doing as a party. Maybe we should just move to the right. That might make people tune us out less, eh?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)oh no. i mean.
oh wait, is this article 1.5 years old?
you are not smooth my friend.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)It is always a good thing to examine our relationship with voters: what do we need to do to get people on our side, and to work with us. However, this piece is meant more to build up negative stereotypes of democrat:
But a crisis of government legitimacy is a crisis of liberalism. It doesnt hurt Republicans. If government is seen as useless, what is the point of electing Democrats who aim to use government to advance some public end?
With all due respect, the crisis is not liberalism. Social Security, Medicare, Student Loans, are all LIBERAL things. It also feeds into the idea that Democrats are the government, when the past 30 years have seen the GOP get what they want,how they want it, by hook and by crook!
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)as "centrist" second bananas, and follow God's Party over the Fascist Rainbow. After all, Mussolini wasn't as bad as Hitler. Who knows? Maybe with some lucky breaks it will all turn out OK somehow.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)oh, wait...
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)It is also a reason why some voters bother to listen to the TeaPubliKlans at all.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)If this were correct, there'd be more third-party officeholders.
Nah, people are just lying their asses off to Mr. Greenberg. They say that shit about Democrats because they're ashamed of electing republicans.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)In U.S., Democrats Re-Establish Lead in Party Affiliation
In 2012, 47% identified or leaned Democratic, 42% Republican
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- An average of 47% of Americans identified as Democrats or said they were independents who leaned Democratic in 2012, compared with 42% who identified as or leaned Republican. That re-establishes a Democratic edge in party affiliation after the two parties were essentially tied in 2010 and 2011
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159740/democrats-establish-lead-party-affiliation.aspx
2011 is so yesterday.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Given the way the Republicans have acted -- everything from the threatened shutdown, to trying to voucherize Medicare, to all the rape idiocies -- our party advantage should be much larger. Obviously, although the Republican Party has factors detracting from its image, so does the Democratic Party. The linked article is a serious attempt to examine the latter.
Contrary to some of the posts above, the actual article (if you trouble to read it) does not advocate that Democrats lurch to the right to try to win votes. In fact, it notes that "many voters prefer the policies of Democrats to the policies of Republicans."
The article's actual recommendation is one that most DUers would probably agree with: The Democrats' message should be "The middle class wont catch a break until we confront the power of money and the lobbyists." This is elaborated with some specific proposals, the first of which is: "The Democrats have to start detoxifying politics by proposing to severely limit or bar individual and corporate campaign contributions, which would mean a fight with the Supreme Court." If criticizing Citizens United is deemed right-wing trolling, this place will empty out pretty quickly.