Open Carry Gun-Toting Mom Shot Dead

[workinclasszero]

Open Carry Gun-Toting Mom Shot Dead

By Benner January 9, 2013 23:01

What does Wayne LaPierre have to say about this?

A mother of three who became a voice of the gun-rights movement when she openly carried a loaded pistol to her daughter’s soccer game was fatally shot along with her husband, a parole officer and former prison guard, in an apparent murder-suicide at their home.

http://www.alan.com/2013/01/09/open-carry-gun-toting-mom-shot-dead/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/gun-toting-soccer-mom-found-shot-dead/#.UO7iSndaYqf

[Brickbat]

1. "I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she didn't defend herself."

Huh.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. Proof that guns don't . . .

on the other hand . . .

[msanthrope]

3. This happened three years ago. nt

[Jakes Progress]

12. So that means it doesn't matter?

"Let's move on. Forget the past. Nothing to see here."

Yeah. We've heard it.

[msanthrope]

20. Well, I think it's disengeous to post a link suggesting this is a 'new' shooting. In typical Colmes

idiocy--and I do think that the Alan Colmes is an idiot--he's missed the ball on why this shooting deserves a second look, however:

The two people involved in the shooting were suing the local sherriff for revoking her gun permit. This was a pretty serious lawsuit, and although it eventually got tossed, the town and the LEOs involved had to pay legal fees and spend time dealing with it. This woman ran a daycare out of her home--and alleged that the bad publicity had ruined her business and given her emotional stress.

This lawsuit was used to great effect by the rightwing--as an example of what gunners could do to "fight back" against LEOs. I actually think that's the more important issue, rather than the circumstances of her death which are ironic, and horrifying.

[Jakes Progress]

25. I think it is disingenuous to attack an OP with no point,

an OP that goes to the very heart of the nra message.

You got something to add to it, something that will extend the message - that would be fine. But a snark about when this happened as if that makes the event non-meaningful is just snarkary.

Show me the places where the OP suggests this has just happened. Tell me how it happening three years ago means that the nra is right.

[obamanut2012]

31. I think the OP should have stated when it happened

[Jakes Progress]

35. Because.......?

How does the date affect the point the OP was making?

[LanternWaste]

16. simply a petulant derailment of the larger point?

You may supply us with the precise relevance of the date this happened, yes? Or is this simply a petulant derailment of the larger point?

[msanthrope]

22. Actually, as I've noted, this three year old shooting is far more relevant to current

circumstances because of the lawsuit the murder victim had going on, rather than the grim details of her death. Alan Colmes is rather good at conveniently missing the point, is he not? I guess being a Fox shill never grows old.

[Jakes Progress]

26. Actually, you didn't not any such thing

in your original attack on the OP. It was only when pressed that you found a desire to defend you silly snark.

[obamanut2012]

32. I agree with you about the lawsuit

And why what happened is relevant now.

[msanthrope]

34. I didn't say it wasn't relevant--but I don't think bringing up a three-year old shooting without

the context of the lawsuit, and a more detailed look at the crime is particularly helpful. She wasn't shot with her own gun--he husband shot her with a licensed handgun registered to him. Her gun--the one she wore for protection, was found in a backpack, loaded, by her front door. She was shot while on webcam with a friend, with her children in the house. She had at one point sought a order of protection, but hadn't followed through. The circumstances are tragic and appalling---and three years old. It's one more death among thousands and thousands.

What I think is far more important is that the lawsuit continued by her estate, which originated when her permit was revoked, was funded and furthered by the rightwing.

Mr. Colmes was a sloppy, token liberal on Fox--he's no better now.

[GaYellowDawg]

19. But don't gun advocates claim...

... that gun control discussion in the immediate aftermath of a shooting is inappropriate? So if you can't discuss gun control right after, and 3 years renders a shooting irrelevant, what's the window?

[msanthrope]

21. I don't know what gun advocates claim--I tend to ignore them. But I do think the focus on this

shooting, as oppposed to the lawsuit the murder victim had going (which I mention above) is missing the point.

[Jakes Progress]

27. If you don't know what the gun debate is about

then why keep clogging up the thread with stuff you say you don't know anything about.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Sad for the kids

And that's all I'll say about these folks.

[Erose999]

5. The thing about some of these gun nuts is that they fantasize about using their guns to stop the

"bad guys" or to protect against "gov't tyranny". All that nebulous rage, leads to paranoia, ends up manifesting itself in shootings like these. I've had friends get into guns and I just stopped talking to them because it was all they'd ever want to talk about. You read the comments in the local paper's website and every comment is some violent bullshit like "blow his brains out". The guns may be "inanimate objects," but the attitudes they engender their owners with are some dangerous shit.

[The Straight Story]

6. Wow, this is lame

Murder-Suicide.

Hanging out with someone you probably trust and getting killed by them and equating that somehow with the person carrying a gun to a soccer game.

Of course, no person did this - only guns hurt people (who is adam lanza and why did he kill those people? Who knows or cares, on DU we all know the guns were to blame so we don't talk about the perp).

Anti-gun folks on the left are like the anti-abortion folks on the right at times, no point in discussing things as their religion dictates their choices for them.

[GeorgeGist]

11. Some gunners are stupid.

Meleanie Hain's loaded pistol -- with a bullet ready in the chamber -- was in a backpack hanging from the front door.

[LanternWaste]

18. I imagine that's a convenient way to minimize and trivilaize ...

"Anti-gun folks on the left are like the anti-abortion folks on the right at times..."

I imagine that's a convenient and self-validating way to minimize and trivialize the opinions of those who perceive the irony of Sacred Cows. Maybe a cross to hang from, too...?

[FarCenter]

7. She wasn't carrying when she was shot

Scott Hain used his own gun to fire several shots into his 30-year-old wife, Meleanie, while her video chat was active and perhaps as she washed dishes in their kitchen, police said. Scott Hain, 33, later killed himself in an upstairs bedroom.

Meleanie Hain's loaded pistol -- with a bullet ready in the chamber -- was in a backpack hanging from the front door.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/melanie-hain-gun-carrying_n_315291.html

Given that the husband was a prison guard, she didn't have much chance to defend herself.

[Aristus]

8. I wonder if she lived long enough to be thrilled by the fact that she died by the gun?

For gun enthusiasts, 'natural causes' must be a source of shame...

[Remmah2]

9. Dated 10/8/2009

Some anti-gun people probably had emotion orgasms. Apparently they still do.

[leftyohiolib]

10. SEE THIS IS WHY WE NEED GUNS, TO PROECT OURSELFS FROM GUNS. IF ONLY SHE HAD A

GUN SHE WOULD STILL BE HERE, oh crap i told myself i'd stay out of these discussion after the last had an unfortunate ending, for me.

[Jakes Progress]

14. Yeah. She needed more guns.

More guns. More guns. Drool. More guns.

They should be sutured to hour hands at birth. I mean, logic tell us that more funs and bullets means fewer people shot. Duh.

[leveymg]

13. Maybe if the kids had guns, too, they might have been able to shoot the father . . .

Well, that would change things, wouldn't it?

[Tsiyu]

15. Losing all their spokespeople

Keith Ratliff was shot and killed also - the FPSRussia YouTube King -

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/professed-gun-nut-keith-ratliff-found-fatally-shot-head-article-1.1237250

I guess the law of averages is working as well as the guns.

[kestrel91316]

17. If only she's had a dozen Uzis or so - this never would have happened.

[rustydog]

23. This is so sad and it flies in the face of LaPierre's insane claim.

"...Meleanie Hain always carried her holstered 9mm Glock pistol, even to the grocery store, and was holding a rifle while she talked to someone outside her house last week, Fortna said.

"I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she didn't defend herself."

Introducing guns into the mix DOES NOT GUARANTEE the "good guy" will win against the "bad guy".
The NRA openly claims it is the ONLY solution.
Studies show that Hain was destined for this fate. Sad, too sad.

[CakeGrrl]

24. It happened over 3 years ago, but the message still stands

as it does with a more recent account of another gun enthusiast found shot to death:

Unless you're perpetually walking around literally ready to shoot someone at a second's notice, you're dead if they get the jump on you.

That's why 4 armed, on-duty cops were killed up here in the Northwest a few years ago.

If someone with the intent to kill sees you before you see them, you're dead.

[Coyotl]

28. Who had the biggest gun?

We need bigger guns

[napkinz]

29. other similar stories ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022163695

[obamanut2012]

30. This happened years ago

It was a domestic violence episode that ended in murder and suicide.

[Live and Learn]

33. Another example of how a gun in the house is more likely to

be used on a member living in the house than protecting the life of one living in the house.

In addition it shows how easily anyone can snap and become mentally unstable. Her husband was a trained professional who probably had undergone psychiatric evaluations to obtain his employment and gun and yet in an instant he became a murderer. A good reason teachers and the rest of the public do not need to be armed at all times. People are not mentally stable at all times.