Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:52 PM Jan 2013

Gun Shows Concern Me


We have gun shows in our state almost weekly it seems. The news covers them, you see people coming and going. I think we have to figure out how to check the people who buy at these shows, there should be a waiting period just like there is when buying from a dealer. Some of the people I saw interviewed were so angry with the government it scared me.

Not throwing stones at the legal sane gun owners, but every group has it fringes and the fringe of that group is dangerous. Just look at James Yeager.
24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Gun Shows Concern Me (Original Post) redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 OP
Timothy McVeigh virtually lived at gun shows. He was heavily influenced by them. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #1
I get that, though ending gun shows won't make those people go away Recursion Jan 2013 #2
Homer Simpson: "Waiting period? But I'm mad NOW!" PSPS Jan 2013 #3
Can't disagree about the clientele dmallind Jan 2013 #4
That's what's so frustrating: everybody wants private access to NICS Recursion Jan 2013 #6
Background checks need to go through FFL license holder to ensure proper paper work AND Hoyt Jan 2013 #11
Exactly Recursion Jan 2013 #12
Here is why people are "scared" of gun shows. Hoyt Jan 2013 #14
Is there a reason I shouldn't want people like that in my neighborhood? Recursion Jan 2013 #15
Well, I guess your neighborhood is not very diverse, and the neighbors have a sick sense of timing. Hoyt Jan 2013 #16
If something I wanted stood a good chance of being banned soon I would probably buy it too Recursion Jan 2013 #17
The callousness in this society is really ugly sometimes. Hoyt Jan 2013 #18
Those folks are half my neighborhood in a rural town in a red state. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #22
Not disagreeing but redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #21
Did you see Jon Stewart the other night tblue Jan 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jan 2013 #7
What does Illinois have to do with anything? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #8
That is where the poster lives. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #9
No, she doesn't. n/t TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #10
You are right - saw home town but not current location. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #13
alex jones, the face of the paranoid scared the crap out of me.... spanone Jan 2013 #19
Yeah he scared me too! redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #20
He scared me also Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #23
Any guns sold by licensed dealers at shows do have beckground checks performed. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #24

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. I get that, though ending gun shows won't make those people go away
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

Even in the states that don't require background checks for private sales at gun shows, at least they're happening in one place that people can keep an eye on, rather than at yard sales and classified ads (which no state requires background checks for at any point).

If it's any comfort, licensed firearms dealers still have to perform background checks at gun shows, and in some states private sellers do too.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
4. Can't disagree about the clientele
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

The background checks would be great, but constitutionally questionable as it is intrastate commerce. Gun owners have long pushed for open access to NICS so likely little resistance to a way to get that.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. That's what's so frustrating: everybody wants private access to NICS
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:59 PM
Jan 2013

But our side can't even find a way to describe the problem without picking a fight. Sigh.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Background checks need to go through FFL license holder to ensure proper paper work AND
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jan 2013

that the NICS is not used by some private citizen to check on a neighbor or someone else (having nothing to do with guns). That is, there's a privacy issue that can't be addressed if anyone can pick up the phone and see if so-and-so has something in their background that would preclude them from buying a gun. That needs to go through a person authorized, trained and accountable for use of the system.

Yep, it will add to the cost of selling a gun for a fistful of cash in the back alley, or a table at a gun show. But, if gun owners are serious about giving a crud who buys their lethal weapons, it's the only way to go.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Exactly
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jan 2013

But rather than make progress on this we bring in "gun shows" because they scare suburban people but have nothing to do with this weakness in the current law.

(Alternately to your idea, you could also just have a generic red light/green light/yellow light system with no additional information available for private sellers.)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. Here is why people are "scared" of gun shows.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jan 2013

Folks lined up outside Atlanta gun show only one week after Sandy Hook to buy so-called "assault" weapons:






Do you really want folks like this in your neighborhood?


I've thought of the green/yellow light before. Unfortunately, your neighbor can find out that you can't buy a gun, so you are either a felon, had some mental issues in past, etc. That's not good. And Joe Blow ain't gonna keep proper paperwork. So, I think it needs to go through FFL or police or something. Besides, I don't think it is the job of the federal government to provide a ready market for those who have accumulated a bunch of lethal weapons.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Is there a reason I shouldn't want people like that in my neighborhood?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jan 2013

*shrug*

Those guys look pretty much like my neighbors?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Well, I guess your neighborhood is not very diverse, and the neighbors have a sick sense of timing.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jan 2013

Sorry that you think a bunch of yahoos lining up to buy assault weapons one week after Sandy Hook is normal. Several were interviewed by the newspaper, and their comments indicated they were under-educated at best. But, I guess some people get a kick out of showing their buddies their new Bushmaster, "just like the one Lanza used to kill. . . . . . ."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. If something I wanted stood a good chance of being banned soon I would probably buy it too
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jan 2013

I don't like having guns (they take way too much time and effort to keep clean), but if I did I could see doing that. For that matter, I wouldn't even have to think the guns were about to be banned, I would just have to think that enough people think the guns are about to be banned that there would be a run on them.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
22. Those folks are half my neighborhood in a rural town in a red state.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jan 2013

And I'm not at all afraid of them.

They're people like anyone else, they just have weird priorities.

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
21. Not disagreeing but
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

I was raised in a rural area where everyone hunted, my Dad had guns to protect our livestock. I may be "suburban" now, but wasn't raised that way. Our guns were secured and my Dad didn't use an AK 47 to chase the predators away from our stock.

I do not think all "suburban people" are clueless .

tblue

(16,350 posts)
5. Did you see Jon Stewart the other night
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

On guns? It all boils down to placating a tiny group of paranoiacs who CLING to their guns like babies to a blankie. It's crazy. I'm sorry there's all those gun shows near you. I would hate it too.

Response to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
20. Yeah he scared me too!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jan 2013

I guess I'm just scare easily....not crazy about the country I live in sometimes....

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
24. Any guns sold by licensed dealers at shows do have beckground checks performed.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jan 2013

What we need to make sure ALL the private sales go through those same background checks as well.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Gun Shows Concern Me