"A 16-year-old student armed with a shotgun..."

[SoCalDem]

CBS/AP/ January 10, 2013, 5:49 PM
Student shot at Calif. high school by classmate; suspect talked into surrendering by staff


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http://tinyurl.com/ap4fr7r

A 16-year-old student armed with a shotgun walked into class in a rural California high school on Thursday and shot one student, fired at another but missed, and then was talked into surrendering by a teacher and another staff member, officials said.

The teen victim was in critical but stable condition, Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood told a press conference. The sheriff said the teacher suffered a minor pellet wound to the head but declined treatment.

The gunman had as many as 20 rounds of ammunition in his pocket, the sheriff said.

When the shots were fired, the teacher tried to get the more than two dozen students out a back door and also engaged the shooter in conversation to distract him, Youngblood said. A campus supervisor responding to a call of shots fired also began talking to the gunman.

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[Fresh_Start]

1. but....the only thing that can stop a armed bad man is an armed good man

or so said some idiot (and so believe so many gun nutters).

[Puzzledtraveller]

2. A shotgun

and a pocket full of shotgun shells.

[bowens43]

3. and this is why the bans will have to go much further

then just hand guns and assault rifles......

[NYC_SKP]

5. Or not. (nt)

[doc03]

11. Thank God he didn't have an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine. n/t

[doc03]

4. Now if he had an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine do you think a teacher would have

been able to engage him in conversation before he shot his 30 rounds?

[MichiganVote]

8. Well it would only count if he was a high quality teacher/low pay/high test scores

a right to work, non tenured, work till 9pm at night type. Your average do a good job teaching employee is just so yesterday.

[riderinthestorm]

12. As it was I'm sure it was an overpaid union thug teacher!

The battle against teachers can't end soon enough imho.


Those teachers deserve some kind of combat pay.

[MichiganVote]

15. Yeah I just hope they cut his benefits and don't pay his pension. Seriously showing off.

[riderinthestorm]

18. In WI especially, they don't HAVE any hero teachers, just greedy bastards trying to sponge off

hardworking taxpayers!!111!!elevens!!!

[MichiganVote]

20. LOL! You and I better quit or we'll be alerted on for being money grubbing little ingrates.

Gallows humor is better than nothing in education these days.

[Wait Wut]

6. Holy shit on a Ritz.

This young person is lucky there was a responsible, calm adult available. One student injured, not killed. If this 16 year old had killed someone, that would be an unimaginable, lifelong burden. The shooting of just one student will haunt them forever, but if that other child had died? The fact that he/she was able to be 'talked down' tells me there is something left in that child. That something would have been broken forever if someone had died.

A shotgun. How the hell did they get a shotgun into the school? And...damn lucky for the rest of those kids that the shooter was an obviously untrained and/or horrible shot. It's tough to miss with a shotgun.

I know the use of 'lucky' is probably incorrect. If you can find a better word, please feel free to share.

I don't know how to feel. I'm feeling a bit guilty because I feel 'relief' that no one was killed. That 'only' one other student was injured. I think it needs to sink in more before another emotion takes over. For now, I guess I'm stuck with relief. Almost an inappropriate joy. I think I need a break from all this. When I feel this way over a child being shot, I'm becoming jaded.

[MichiganVote]

16. Professional, responsible, calm, **Teacher**

[Fumesucker]

7. And so it goes...

[RetroGamer1971]

9. How many would have died if it wasn't a shotgun.

If that had been an semiautomatic rifle, with extended capacity clips, like in Newtown and Aurora, a lot more kids would have died. This is a good argument for gun control.

[doc03]

10. +1

[GreenStormCloud]

26. Shotguns are far more deadly than a rifle.

The Aurora killer did most of his damage with his shotgun. The 100 round magazine for the rifle jammed after a few rounds. If a 12 gauge is loaded with 00 buckshot, then with each shot the shotgun will fire nine .33 caliber balls of lead.

A shotgun has a fairly short range, but inside that range is far more deadly than any rifle. There are shotgun that use detachable magazines with up to 30 rounds, which in buckshot would be 270 balls.

[Berserker]

13. Where is the

Security in that school if you can just walk through the doors and down the hall into a classroom with a shotgun? Oh that's right we don't need security in our schools.

[Brother Buzz]

14. An armed Taft Police Department officer is usually on campus

He was absent because he was snowed in.

Snowed in! In California, two-three inches of snow on a mountain pass can really shut things down!

[MichiganVote]

17. No, we need more tests. Tests, tests and more tests. Lots and lots of tests.

[SoCalDem]

19. and teachers need to take more pay cuts..and lose their pensions

and be replaced by non-union teachers.

[MichiganVote]

22. Sorry. Not good enuf'. We need to take these kids home and raise em'.

That's what a REAL dedicated teacher would do you know. Sigh... we're so flawed. Professional degrees, experience and all.

[FarCenter]

21. The shooter had a beef with the victim and another student -- not a mass shooting

Shotgun shells are sold 25 to a box, which explains the "20 rounds".

An armed police officer is normally assigned to Taft Union High School but was not able to make it to work on Thursday because of snow on the roads, Youngblood said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-shooting-californiabre90910h-20130110,0,2002738.story

Armed guards are ineffective when they are not at work.

[MichiganVote]

23. No doubt that will make us all feel so much better.

An entire school and class of terrified kids, an amazingly lucky teacher and an even luckier shooter..sure, no mass shooting will make every parent of every kid just scream for joy.

Jesus, does anyone in the US even get it? These are fucking schools, not target factories.

[FarCenter]

25. School shootings are pretty rare; usually the kids shoot each other after school or on weekends.

[MichiganVote]

27. I am well aware that in the absence of sound policy, people are now hedging w/statistics

One, just one, school shooting is too much. But no one has listened to educators for the past 15 years. While the demands have been increased on students and staff, no one has been listening. So there will be more-not less-until policy makers listen and choose.

The shooters make their choice while everyone else sits on the sidelines. This line of reasoning murdered 20 little kids and 6 helping and caring adults.

So here's the deal, to those who do not work in education--its rare. To those who work in education-its every damn day. Good luck America retaining good professionals to teach your kids in the future.

[FarCenter]

29. Students and teachers are safer in school than they are commuting or at home.

Schools are far down the list in terms of risky places to work with respect to homicides.

[MichiganVote]

30. Never mind, you still don't get it.

[riderinthestorm]

24. The real bottom line in ALL of these shootings is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS!!

Its not mental health or the lack of healthcare thereof, its not SSRIs etc. etc. - the common factor truly is the EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

The sooner the US focuses in on that, the better.

[MichiganVote]

28. 100% agree.