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HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 08:53 PM Jan 2013

Every parking lot ought to look like this

Shades the cars while producing free energy. Germany has created over 500,000 new jobs by pushing hard into solar and wind energy - providing incentives for everyone to install and as a result, they will be able to move forward with their plans to shut down all their nuclear power plants in the next decade.

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Every parking lot ought to look like this (Original Post) HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 OP
Hear, hear! Houses too. Damn straight. nt Mnemosyne Jan 2013 #1
I like the idea but what about the slope of the roofs brush Jan 2013 #84
wondered about that too PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #88
The roofs probably ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #89
It looks like Awknid Jan 2013 #103
Correct. In roofs I have seen like that, the gap is about 12 inches. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #106
There is also the coefficient of friction. Blanks Jan 2013 #117
Drainage. Very smart. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #127
Learn new things here all the time! Thanks for asking, good answers. Mnemosyne Jan 2013 #136
Our govt buildings did this onlyadream Jan 2013 #2
Thanks for this info DeeDeeNY Jan 2013 #82
Even looks cool. Hoyt Jan 2013 #3
Why aren't we doing this? logosoco Jan 2013 #4
You can thank the American Taliban. pangaia Jan 2013 #31
You can thank Exxon-Mobil, Duke Coal and Exelon, as well. leveymg Jan 2013 #51
exactly...teabaggies are just the hired help. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #55
American Tealicans. American Tealibans. American Teabans. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #112
Three words: Koch Brothers Coal Yavin4 Jan 2013 #86
So True.... PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #90
If they had any damn sense they'd be investing in this technology klook Jan 2013 #97
Never happen in this country; at least not nationwide. Aristus Jan 2013 #94
A mix of NIMBY and xenophobia, mostly. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #105
Our Podunk town installed a bunch of them last summer Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #5
Las Vegas built a new City Hall and installed them. enlightenment Jan 2013 #102
That is extremely cool and a great use of space. nt Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #6
Any chance those things generate enough juice customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #7
Great.. Bette Jan 2013 #70
Yes - just one of the panels is enough for one car FreeState Jan 2013 #99
If so customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #119
Those also save energy in a way that's not quite as obvious Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
And your plastic parts won't get so baked and release fumes n2doc Jan 2013 #36
So I wouldn't need oven mitts Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2013 #61
so genius and yet so simple! robinlynne Jan 2013 #9
that's perfect stuntcat Jan 2013 #10
It's not just the fossil fuel industry that's holding this technology back Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #63
If the Germans can do it... PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #92
I think most solar panels come from China now - they undercut out industry some time ago. patricia92243 Jan 2013 #114
We can change that... PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #116
It's not simply a matter of "if the Germans can do it". Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #131
Creating demand in a lucritive business... PoliticalBiker Jan 2013 #134
You make several points Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #135
Phoenix: car ports galore ... intense sun ... no brainer. CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #11
Before they sink into the asphalt? nt SCVDem Jan 2013 #17
The Oro Valley, AZ ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #91
Government leading by example! Great news for AZ and for all, in fact. CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #100
very clever we should cover the southwest with solar panels and help people change their roofs loli phabay Jan 2013 #12
You might be surprised. The Southwest is pretty clearly perfect for solar, but Germany is JDPriestly Jan 2013 #71
omg it looks like those Europeans are civilized! Whisp Jan 2013 #13
Civilized? What do you mean. pangaia Jan 2013 #32
It's literally a beautiful sight. They took something functional and made it attractive. gkhouston Jan 2013 #41
nice! nt Last Stand Jan 2013 #14
It's amazing how stunning something is when it simply reflects DaveJ Jan 2013 #15
Germany! You want us to imitate Germany? You nazi cow! tclambert Jan 2013 #16
Oh that's nice. pangaia Jan 2013 #33
hahaha! Great post. jillan Jan 2013 #39
That is awesome! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #18
kick kick kick kick kick KICK!!! DonRedwood Jan 2013 #19
All the parking at the Los Angeles V.A. Hospital have been remodeled to solar. denbot Jan 2013 #20
Our local independent grocery store installed several canopies of panels. rgbecker Jan 2013 #21
Only thing missing now is leadership limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #22
We have one on the way up. pangaia Jan 2013 #34
We need Democrats in both houses of Congress xtraxritical Jan 2013 #52
There are a lot of things the President could do without Congress, limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #113
President Obama is doing a good job, expecially juajen Jan 2013 #107
if you have the chance, take a look on military posts and bases pasto76 Jan 2013 #23
Just kills me there's a shining example of a Roosevelt democracy. pink-o Jan 2013 #24
Sierra Nevada brewery has those XemaSab Jan 2013 #25
our fairgrounds (Cal Expo) in Sacramento has one of these: tandot Jan 2013 #26
We don't have more because of the American Taliban. pangaia Jan 2013 #35
Nice examples davidpdx Jan 2013 #133
An initial investment that will save in the long run siligut Jan 2013 #27
Progress definitely IS being made, though, let's be thankful for that. n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #130
What a brilliant idea!! Politicub Jan 2013 #28
The high school just down the street from me got a whole parking lot full of kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #29
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.. pangaia Jan 2013 #30
I almost had my boss convinced of dooing this. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #37
K&R 99Forever Jan 2013 #38
Sounds and looks really good for the sunnier parts of the country. n/t amandabeech Jan 2013 #40
It can make economic sense even in the North BlueStreak Jan 2013 #57
Sigh. I knew that I shouldn't have posted. amandabeech Jan 2013 #58
Cloudy weather reduces the effectiveness but it's still possible to generate power on cloudy days. Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #111
Only with plug-in stations RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #42
There are charging stations in the lot at my work abelenkpe Jan 2013 #47
Solar Energy's not viable. cbrer Jan 2013 #43
Extremely cool!!! I like it!!! meti57b Jan 2013 #44
I disagree obxhead Jan 2013 #45
The windmills might shade the solar panels. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #108
CBS just did this to their lot abelenkpe Jan 2013 #46
My hometown Gainesville Fl did a feed in tariff based on the German model kmlisle Jan 2013 #48
Amen. ellisonz Jan 2013 #49
Go blue to go green. Nuclear power has no future, and we have no future with nukes. eom. leveymg Jan 2013 #50
YES !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #53
High Schools here are putting them up. alittlelark Jan 2013 #54
Check out Arizona State University rufus dog Jan 2013 #56
I see they are valleyed in the center onethatcares Jan 2013 #59
Yep! And use the water for feeding the greenery, etc. liam_laddie Jan 2013 #66
Our high schools ChazII Jan 2013 #60
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #62
Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden has 1,600 KW parking canopy liam_laddie Jan 2013 #64
My OP from 2 years ago ~ "Put solar roofing panels on most structures. Shade all large parking lots Zorra Jan 2013 #65
K&R Inspirational! DianaForRussFeingold Jan 2013 #67
California here. kimmylavin Jan 2013 #68
in my area of SF Bay Area, local community colleges do the same NuttyFluffers Jan 2013 #69
LOL my old high school has these panels at the parking lot! alp227 Jan 2013 #72
two of the larger church parking lots in Tucson have solar panels reverend_tim Jan 2013 #73
In Huntington Beach, CA xxqqqzme Jan 2013 #74
Here's an epic example of doing this right here in Wisconsin ... Scuba Jan 2013 #75
Solar carports are cool. Here is one at Redskin's FedEx Field in Landover, MD with EV charging rightsideout Jan 2013 #76
EV's, Solor Chargers all cool stuff however the 1 thing no one is really talking about stultusporcos Jan 2013 #77
The batteries are 98 percent recyclable and some are reused for backup storage supply rightsideout Jan 2013 #78
Yes they are recyclable but dig deeper into it and extrapolate the scale stultusporcos Jan 2013 #81
Solar Panels on every garage and an EV inside Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #79
excellent, but RILib Jan 2013 #80
Wonderful idea... GTurck Jan 2013 #83
Our community college in Joshua Tree, CA, has these LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2013 #85
Imagine Dome Arenas Covered with Solar Panels Yavin4 Jan 2013 #87
Oh come on, that would be too sensible. When have you ever known Congress to be that? 4lbs Jan 2013 #93
Big Oil is NOT going to like this! AllyCat Jan 2013 #95
Fantastic!! oldandhappy Jan 2013 #96
Every parking lot should look like THIS.... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #98
Yeah, but this is America. Someone will start stealing and reselling the solar panels. n/t Ian David Jan 2013 #101
BIG KICK! benld74 Jan 2013 #104
But don't you know in AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #109
one question I've always wondered about-- how vulnerable are solar panels to hail storms? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #110
Noticed the roof of the building too.... 4_TN_TITANS Jan 2013 #115
Put those things up on the Gulf coast and watch them turn into missile hazards Eagle_Eye Jan 2013 #118
That is so cool! (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2013 #120
There are several parking areas like this at the local VA, and it's GREAT to see! calimary Jan 2013 #121
Our roof here where I work looks like that. Glassunion Jan 2013 #122
I saw these at UNLV CE5 Jan 2013 #123
that's what they look like where i work 0rganism Jan 2013 #124
and rooftop too samsingh Jan 2013 #125
GOP backlash ELI BOY 1950 Jan 2013 #126
Why are most of the comments about... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #128
Indeed, Harvey, damn straight! AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #129
Wow not only keeps the cars cool, but collects energy davidpdx Jan 2013 #132
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
84. I like the idea but what about the slope of the roofs
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jan 2013

Wonder how that works there? What about the winter with snow piling up on those roofs? They aren't even flat but inverted in. Anybody have any idea because flat roofs cave pretty often under a heavy load of snow.

PoliticalBiker

(328 posts)
88. wondered about that too
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jan 2013

But then I thought... most solar farms track the sun. If you notice, all the shadows are directly under the roofs. Sun must be almost directly overhead

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
89. The roofs probably ...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jan 2013

have a heating element installed, power by the solar energy collected. It would take much to install, nor much power to operate.

SunSeeker

(58,240 posts)
106. Correct. In roofs I have seen like that, the gap is about 12 inches.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jan 2013

There is a parking lot like that at a large City-run public sports complex in Huntington Beach, CA. My kid plays soccer there. I love coming back to a nice cool car. And I am sure the City is getting a great return on its investment.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
117. There is also the coefficient of friction.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jan 2013

The glass surface doesn't have as much friction as asphalt or concrete.

I'm sure the Germans (being the excellent engineers that they are) determined the coefficient of static friction through experimentation and constructed them at the angle that the amount of snow that would cause the glass to fail would slide off (with a factor of safety of at least 2).

That's how I would have approached it anyway.

DeeDeeNY

(3,951 posts)
82. Thanks for this info
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:19 AM
Jan 2013

I saw these at the Deer Park train station and someone told me what they were, but that article explains the bigger picture.

logosoco

(3,211 posts)
4. Why aren't we doing this?
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:04 PM
Jan 2013

Smarter minds than mine did this, but now that I see it, I can't help but wonder why it is not being done.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
31. You can thank the American Taliban.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jan 2013

aka-- AQIA- Al-Qaida in America. aka-- Teapublicans...

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
51. You can thank Exxon-Mobil, Duke Coal and Exelon, as well.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jan 2013

Follow the money. The Teas and the Taliban are just the hired help.

klook

(13,588 posts)
97. If they had any damn sense they'd be investing in this technology
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jan 2013

That's what I can't understand. Why not have a business model that profits from all kinds of energy production?

I know the ROI is higher for dirty energy right now, especially with the subsidies they get from their pets in Congress, but it seems it would make sense to invest in the energy of the future as well.

Maybe the Kochs just want to make liberals cry. That's the only explanation I can come up with.

Aristus

(72,115 posts)
94. Never happen in this country; at least not nationwide.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jan 2013

We've elevated intellectual backwardness to the status of a religion.

We're slipping into the status of a third-rate nation. We no longer have the brains and the gumption to do great things.

Once, we were the can-do nation. Now, anytime some great endeavour is proposed, the reaction is always either "It's too hard" or "It's too expensive", or, absolutely the last thing that should come out of the mouth of anyone who wants his country to do great things: "It ain't comin' outta MY taxes!"

Brother Buzz

(39,864 posts)
5. Our Podunk town installed a bunch of them last summer
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jan 2013

City Hall lot, Swimming pool lot, police station lot, firehouse lot, municipal lot. I'm only bummed the didn't install a meter device for the citizens to view the electricity being produced.

Our five year old high school has a two-three acre solar farm behind it, and they have a computer meter in the HS library that informs the kids what the farm is doing live. I looked at it during Open House and was not impressed; the sun had already set.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
7. Any chance those things generate enough juice
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jan 2013

to charge more than a few of the cars parked underneath, if they are plug-ins? Or a few more if we're talking about plug-in hybrids?

Bette

(65 posts)
70. Great..
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:18 AM
Jan 2013

You know, that is a great idea! Has anyone tried to post this to the white house website? We could solve 2 problems at once and still help the environment by use of solar. Plus, we don't have to get into a hot car after shopping.

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
99. Yes - just one of the panels is enough for one car
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jan 2013

We just had solar installed on our house - if we ever get a car that needs charged we can add a single panel for $1200 which would provide enough energy for one car. Thats about the amount a normal driver would spend on gas in about 1 1/2 years.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
119. If so
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jan 2013

then I can see a solar carport industry, for folks who don't have garages, yet want to charge up their plug-in vehicles.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. Those also save energy in a way that's not quite as obvious
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:21 PM
Jan 2013

In the summer when you get in your car under the canopy it won't be blazing hot inside from baking in the sun. It will take a lot less energy to cool your car than it would otherwise.


n2doc

(47,953 posts)
36. And your plastic parts won't get so baked and release fumes
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jan 2013

People pay extra for covered parking at airports. Seems like these would be popular.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
10. that's perfect
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jan 2013

If our govt. wasn't spending so much subsidizing fossil fuels we could already have this everywhere.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
63. It's not just the fossil fuel industry that's holding this technology back
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:37 AM
Jan 2013

The current technology for solar panels requires rare metals such a gallium, indium, selenium, etc., which are distributed in miniscule amounts in scattered areas in the world and which usually do not exist by themselves in nature.

http://www.ipadnewsdaily.com/699-shortage-rare-metals-threaten-high-tech-innovation-hitchhiker-metals-clean-technologies.html


PoliticalBiker

(328 posts)
92. If the Germans can do it...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jan 2013

en masse like it appears, there is no reason in the world why we couldn't do it here... putting hundreds of thousands of people to work to boot!

Koch bros. be damned and Exxon/Mobil be damned! Do it anyway!

Our gub'mint needs to get programs like this started. Teapublicans be damned too.

PoliticalBiker

(328 posts)
116. We can change that...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jan 2013

... if our polytishuns have the guts to.
It's time to stand up to the monied interests that have bought our legislators. We will never be able to grow and progress as a nation as long as those that are wealty and powerful are allowed to stay there.

PoliticalBiker

(328 posts)
134. Creating demand in a lucritive business...
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jan 2013

... can spur creative ways of meeting that demand.
America has the capibility. America need to take the lead.
This could be one of those times when business and government have a common interest and common benefit.
If only the legislature would get thier heads out of thier collective asses and think about the future of all of us.
The left seems willing and up to the task. The right? Well.... it's obvious the good of the people is not high on thier priorities list.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
135. You make several points
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013

I do think the US has the capability to develop solar, but unfortunately we as a nation seem to have lost the motivation ever since Ronald Reagan and his Visigoths came in and ransacked Jimmy Carter's brilliant energy plan.

At the very least, the US should at least try to do what is being done here in Japan-- provide economic incentives for people to equip their homes and businesses with solar panels. I have noticed a marked increase in houses with solar panels since the 2011 disasters forced Japan to seriously reexamine its energy policy.

Here is a Japanese web site that provides all sorts of advice about solar fitting, including information about solar panel companies, using solar panels in snowy areas, cost comparisons, and so on.

http://sun-pow.com/folder2/en09.html

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
91. The Oro Valley, AZ ...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jan 2013

Town Hall installed parking lot solar panels, covering about 25% of the available parking, about 4 years ago. The annual Budget Report indicates that these collectors power 30% of the Town Hall's energy needs.

Likewise, the Tucson VA has collectors installed on its covered parking roofs that contribute to its power needs.

All this sounds like an Arizona no brainer ... that probably explains why only government buildings are doing it. It would seem that any/every newly built building, whether public or private, would install these, as it would reduce energy costs.

CurtEastPoint

(20,003 posts)
100. Government leading by example! Great news for AZ and for all, in fact.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jan 2013

Sounds like it should be required, much like new buildings in earthquake areas must meet new codes.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
12. very clever we should cover the southwest with solar panels and help people change their roofs
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jan 2013

Would love to do it but wind power might be better for me on the mountain.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
71. You might be surprised. The Southwest is pretty clearly perfect for solar, but Germany is
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:21 AM
Jan 2013

not unusually sunny. It rains quite a bit and is cold in Northern Germany.
Italy, Greece and Spain are sunny, but not Germany or France. And England is very rainy.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
13. omg it looks like those Europeans are civilized!
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jan 2013

wow. That is a beautiful sight - and the fact that nuclear plants will all be down in the next decade - wow2.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
41. It's literally a beautiful sight. They took something functional and made it attractive.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jan 2013

tclambert

(11,191 posts)
16. Germany! You want us to imitate Germany? You nazi cow!
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jan 2013

As if any good ideas can originate anywhere besides the good ol' USA. Here in America we get our energy the way God, Jesus, and Exxon Mobil intended--we burn up old dinosaur blood.


(just in case you didn't know)

rgbecker

(4,890 posts)
21. Our local independent grocery store installed several canopies of panels.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jan 2013

It will take care of all their power needs which are high with refrigeration and AC in the summer.

Gotta love it. The Future! I'm for it.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
22. Only thing missing now is leadership
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jan 2013

We need like a JFK or a Martin Luther King, something like that. Somebody with a bold vision for the future.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
52. We need Democrats in both houses of Congress
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jan 2013

Republican's only want to destroy the economy and will do nothing sensible.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
113. There are a lot of things the President could do without Congress,
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jan 2013

but he doesn't do. Seems like a big leadership fail to me.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
107. President Obama is doing a good job, expecially
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:09 PM
Jan 2013

when you consider the headwinds blowing directly at him 24-7.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
23. if you have the chance, take a look on military posts and bases
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jan 2013

Ft Carson, for example, has solar arrays almost everywhere you look. The Air Force Academy just built large array. The car ports are cool. Ive built a solar panel structure on top of an existing parking garage in Denver.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
24. Just kills me there's a shining example of a Roosevelt democracy.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jan 2013

And it's bloody GERMANY. We helped rebuild it, while destroying our own.

Those innovations should totally be ours.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
26. our fairgrounds (Cal Expo) in Sacramento has one of these:
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jan 2013

Cal Expo Solarport
Location: CA
Operator: Sacramento Municipal Utility District
Configuration: 540 kWp PV
Operation: 2000
System supplier: Siemens BP, Energy PhotoVoltaics
EPC: Kyocera
Quick facts: This was the largest solar parking lot installation in the world at completion. Each cantilevered structure has three rows of tracking panels. Each of the 20 arrays, made up of 685 modules, measures 130ft long, 42ft wide and 14ft high. The US Dept of Energy assisted with funding.

http://www.industcards.com/solar-usa-ca.htm

An additional welcome side-effect: the shade provided from the solar panels keeps the car cooler

I always wondered why we don't have more of those.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
133. Nice examples
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:51 AM
Jan 2013

It is interesting to see how businesses have used solar panels. California is a good place to use them.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
27. An initial investment that will save in the long run
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jan 2013

The denial the RW held dear for so long has cost us.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. The high school just down the street from me got a whole parking lot full of
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jan 2013

solar parking structures just like that last year. They are apparently doing it all over LA at schools.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. Meanwhile, back at the ranch..
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jan 2013

America digs more oil wells...everywhere......no high speed rail, few "windmills".... etc etc...thanks to idiot anti-reality republicans ..otherwise known asthe American Taliban.. OR.. Al-Qaida in America -aka-- AQIA.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
57. It can make economic sense even in the North
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jan 2013

A friend of mine put in a 6000 watt system this year. His utility rate is 13 cents per KWH and he receives 5 cents per KWH for anything he adds to the grid. So obviously, the best deal is for him to consume all of his own energy before sucking any off the grid. When the weather report call for sunshine, he plans to do laundry, dishes, and other energy-consuming tasks. Payback is about 3-4 years doing it that way. If the utility weren't allowed to pay him such a low rate, the payback period would be much shorter.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
58. Sigh. I knew that I shouldn't have posted.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jan 2013

Frankly, there are any number of places in the northeast quadrant of the country that don't get very much sun. The areas downwind of the Great Lakes are especially cloudy. I grew up in one of these areas, and when I moved to Connecticut I couldn't believe how sunny it was. Then I lived in Texas for a year. Moved back to New York and couldn't believe how cloudy it was. Your mileage may vary.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
111. Cloudy weather reduces the effectiveness but it's still possible to generate power on cloudy days.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

Here's a good article on solar power in rainy, cloudy Germany:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/07/30/us-germany-solar-idUSL2389939520070730

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
47. There are charging stations in the lot at my work
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:53 PM
Jan 2013

We have many electric car owners as a result.

SunSeeker

(58,240 posts)
108. The windmills might shade the solar panels.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

Also, a lot of cities ban windmills in urban areas.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
46. CBS just did this to their lot
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jan 2013

And the building next to my work has done this as well. Should be everywhere in CA though.

kmlisle

(276 posts)
48. My hometown Gainesville Fl did a feed in tariff based on the German model
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jan 2013

The local utility is publicly owned (by the City) and this Socialist entity offered a fixed rate for electricity generated from solar installed each year for the last 5 or so years with a certain amount of guaranteed rate solar collection capacity offered each year. We now have as much solar electricity being generated as the entire Sunshine State did at the start of our program - the goal was 20MW but I don't think we are quite there yet. lots of jobs were generated to install the systems and everywhere you go there are buildings covered with solar collectors. Most of them are commercial and government buildings but quite a few private homes have bought in as well and we have a 7 acre collecting field as well (without the parking which I think is a fantastic idea). And by the way the unemployment rate here is 6.9%. So it can be done and is being done right here in the Capitalist Free Market USA!
https://www.gru.com/OurCommunity/Environment/GreenEnergy/solar.jsp

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/gainesville-solar-feed-in-tariff-a-done-deal

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/01/06/gainesville-florida-becomes-a-world-leader-in-solar/

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
56. Check out Arizona State University
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jan 2013

They have a Sustainable Energy Degree. Went there five years ago for a football game and the parking lots were covered with solar panels.

A "DUH" moment! Who in Phoenix wants to park on the upper level 9 months out of the year. Some professor or student said, "cover them with panels."

ChazII

(6,448 posts)
60. Our high schools
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jan 2013

have those for not only for the parking lots but one has them one top of its different buildings and sells the energy back to the power company..

liam_laddie

(1,321 posts)
64. Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden has 1,600 KW parking canopy
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jan 2013

6,400-panel, four acres, 800 parking spaces, installed and on-line Spring 2011.
http://cincinnatizoo.org/conservation/go-green/solar-power/
and
http://cincinnatizoo.org/conservation/go-green/
SolarWorld, a German-based company, produced the zoo's panels at its plant in Hillsboro, Ore.
This installation provides 20% of the Zoo's electric power use. At about $0.08 KWh, too.
Take THAT, fossil-fuel idjits!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
65. My OP from 2 years ago ~ "Put solar roofing panels on most structures. Shade all large parking lots
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:55 AM
Jan 2013

in hot sunny areas of the western US with solar panels. Run them directly into the grid, and store any excess electricity in centralized battery banks. And/or have additions added to the outside of every structure to house individual battery banks that are serviced by government employees solar electric trained to maintain and troubleshoot solar electric systems.

Solar hot water producing systems could also be installed on roofs and parking lots as part of this project.

This would probably have the least environmental impact from placement of solar arrays.

very structure that had a solar roof would generate its own clean electrical power with minimal collateral waste, and batteries are recyclable as well as refurbishable. This would take care of all residential as well as commercial energy needs. The excess power could go to supplying energy needs for industry.

The panels shading the parking lots could also supply residential, commercial, and industrial needs.

Back the systems up with community generators that are fueled by natural gas.

Start funding the project first by taking the $35 billion they're going to give to the nuclear industry and using it for the solar electric systems. End government giveaways to giant oil companies. End the wars and use the savings to fund the solar electric. Since no one would have to pay fossil fuel/nuclear energy driven power companies anymore for power anymore, everyone could be taxed $10 per adult per month per household for electricity. Businesses could be minimally taxed according to their power usage.

If we diverted all the time, money, and energy we are currently devoting to the production and use of fossil/nuclear fueled energy, and used it for the purposes described above, we could all have much cheaper, cleaner energy. We could become much less dependent on the oil industry plutarchs. Enormous numbers of jobs would be generated from building, maintaining, recycling, and refurbishing the systems. Satellite industries, stores, suppliers, etc. that would spring up to serve the needs of the solar grid.

No more nukes. Way less filthy air and water from toxic waste generated by the petroleum industry.

Think about it. Wouldn't it be awesome?

OK, corporate trolls. I know you have been waiting for me. You've already got your corporate bullshit right there in front of you.

Let's get this over with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=660837&mesg_id=660837

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
67. K&R Inspirational!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:31 AM
Jan 2013

Very cool!
'Here Comes The Sun'


"The advancement of solar energy and other forms of alternative energy will brighten the future of our world."

kimmylavin

(2,298 posts)
68. California here.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:50 AM
Jan 2013

North of Los Angeles.
Most of the high schools around here are doing this.

I think it's brilliant!

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
69. in my area of SF Bay Area, local community colleges do the same
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:14 AM
Jan 2013

provides electricity, provides parking lot lighting for campus safety, excess electricity offsets school bond costs.

it makes sense and should be elsewhere. passive generation makes sense. no one's relying on parking lot solar power to survive, it's just extra.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
74. In Huntington Beach, CA
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:05 AM
Jan 2013

The parking lots at City Hall and the Central Public Library are covered like this. If every parking lot @ every SoCal mall, commercial building, anchor grocery store shopping plaza were covered, we would be in great shape.

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
77. EV's, Solor Chargers all cool stuff however the 1 thing no one is really talking about
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:59 AM
Jan 2013

what are we going to do with all the batteries when they expire? Battery recycling is not as easy or clean as some may make it out to be lots of nasty stuff involved.

Same problem we have with Nuclear Power, it seemed good at first but we now have a problem of storing the waste.

I am not against EV's and solar and other alt forms of energy but we fully need to think things through first before we proclaim it will solve the problem of fossel fuels.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
78. The batteries are 98 percent recyclable and some are reused for backup storage supply
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:05 AM
Jan 2013

I have an electric Ford Escort I've been driving for 20 years. It uses lead acid golf cart batteries which are 98 percent recyclable. I believe there are only two major lead battery recycling plants in the US which are under heavy EPA regulations. All the lead is recycled, most of the plastic is recycled and the acid which is really mostly water is cleaned.

The same with lithium and nickle metal hydride batteries. All recyclable. There is actually very little lithium in lithium batteries.

As a matter of fact, hybrid car batteries pulled from junked hybrids are being reused as backup power supplies. Even though they lost their capacity to propel the drivetrain many still have the capacity to handle electronic backup power supply systems.

I have several EV friends who go to junk yards and get hybrid battery packs to use in their EV projects, mostly for electric motorcycle projects.

I work in the EV industry repairing electric vehicles and recycle several tons of lead batteries each year. It's all handled responsibly. There is a high dollar paid for heavy metals like lead. EV Batteries are one of the few components where most of the units are completely recyclable.

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
81. Yes they are recyclable but dig deeper into it and extrapolate the scale
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:17 AM
Jan 2013

once EV's are the norm.

Look at it this way cars were everywhere before paved roads existed and we are still playing catch up in building them today.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
79. Solar Panels on every garage and an EV inside
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:09 AM
Jan 2013

And a chicken in every pot.
Lets hope that this isn't the first nation in the history of the earth to go to the poor house in an EV.
Bob Lutz has been busy with his X-Truck,here is the story:
http://green.autoblog.com/2013/01/15/bob-lutz-approved-via-x-truck-offers-800-hp-100-mpge/

 

RILib

(862 posts)
80. excellent, but
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jan 2013

There's no way solar and conservation can produce enough green energy to stop global warming. Safely designed and safely operated nuclear power plants are necessary for that. Them's the facts.

85. Our community college in Joshua Tree, CA, has these
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jan 2013

They are flat roofs and not gull shaped, however. One of my classmates has been working on installing a solar farm east of town. Living in a place with sunlight 364 days a year has its advantages. He said things were going great until we had a huge wind storm a couple of weeks ago and it destroyed about a third of the installed panels.

Back to the drawing board...

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
87. Imagine Dome Arenas Covered with Solar Panels
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jan 2013

Imagine the New Orleans Superdome, home of the next Superbowl, covered with solar panels. The stadium would generate power all year long.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
93. Oh come on, that would be too sensible. When have you ever known Congress to be that?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jan 2013

Some idiot in Congress will pipe up with something stupid like "But.... those panels can leak, getting the cars wet!" or "And what happens when it's cloudy or nighttime? All that money gone!"

AllyCat

(18,804 posts)
95. Big Oil is NOT going to like this!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jan 2013

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I just bought a solar phone charger and after I figured out how to use it (directions were strange), it works well. Too bad I can't power more than electronics with it, but it looks like if I string a bunch of them together, it would charge a small 12V fridge! Not that I need to...

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
98. Every parking lot should look like THIS....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jan 2013


Cars are killing the planet. Get serious. A couple solar panels will do nothing significant to prevent global meltdown.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
101. Yeah, but this is America. Someone will start stealing and reselling the solar panels. n/t
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jan 2013

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
109. But don't you know in
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jan 2013

Republican logic, those Heat soaker thingys would soak up all the heat, leaving everyone's car a giant Iced Popcycle!! No one could enter their car without an ice melting heat source, and that would be sucked away by those heat soaken panels up top!! Not only that!! But if you sat long enough under there you would become frozen too!! Best pray and let GOD find us a giant spot to dig for oil.. say, maybe the Grand Canyon or maybe one of those other "liberal" park sites that's a waste of tax payers money!!11!!!



Mark my words, Republicans will think of something stupid to prevent alternative energies from happening.



pssst! by the way, I personally love the idea.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
110. one question I've always wondered about-- how vulnerable are solar panels to hail storms?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jan 2013

Are they tougher than they look?

Eagle_Eye

(1,439 posts)
118. Put those things up on the Gulf coast and watch them turn into missile hazards
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jan 2013

Wind from a hurricane would get up under those and send them out into the community as ninety mile an hour sheets of glass with aluminum spears attached.

Brilliant.

calimary

(89,896 posts)
121. There are several parking areas like this at the local VA, and it's GREAT to see!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:40 PM
Jan 2013

Whenever my husband and I drive through there, we inevitably comment about it - what a terrific idea it is and how I like seeing my tax money spent on things like this. WORTH IT!!!!

And it makes so much sense here in SoCal! To paraphrase that spot of Rachel Maddow's where she's standing with all those windmills, here in Southern California, we are not gonna run out of sun!

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
122. Our roof here where I work looks like that.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jan 2013

However, we could not justify the cost (not yet) of doing the parking lot.

0rganism

(25,619 posts)
124. that's what they look like where i work
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jan 2013

Here at <some large semiconductor company> we've had lots like that for years.

ELI BOY 1950

(173 posts)
126. GOP backlash
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jan 2013

as long as we have the those pea brained Republicans running the show we will never be -afforded the possibility to reduce our dependency on all the bad stuff.

Solar energy are you crazy...we just need to vote them out.
The most important thing we can do as liberals is to make sure the next president is a democrat and moves the Obama policies forward. If we loose the white house in 2016 we
will revert back to the past.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
128. Why are most of the comments about...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jan 2013

...where people are seeing them saying they are government buildings?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
129. Indeed, Harvey, damn straight!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jan 2013

Of course, Exxon-Mobil can't have that here, can they? No,they gotta protect their profits, amirite?

In all honesty, good for the Germans. Hope they don't elect a rightist gov't anytime soon.....

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