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RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:04 PM Jan 2013

PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES 23 NEW EXECUTIVE ACTIONS!

Right wing heads are exploding as I type.

Just called for Congress to require background checks on ALL gun purchases!

More as updates come in!

And here are the 23 Executive Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES 23 NEW EXECUTIVE ACTIONS! (Original Post) RomneyLies Jan 2013 OP
Calls for Congress to ban assault weapons RomneyLies Jan 2013 #1
Did he do that or are you just saying that? Maraya1969 Jan 2013 #138
HE made the call RomneyLies Jan 2013 #139
Not gonna happen Ter Jan 2013 #154
Probably, but that does not detract from the fact the he called for it. n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #155
Here's how you can call Congress, TOLL FREE! calimary Jan 2013 #158
K&R MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #2
INVOKES RONALD REAGAN'S SUPPORT FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN! n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #3
I kept wishing the prez would also mention Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #31
Yeah Turbineguy Jan 2013 #79
Yee-haw! freshwest Jan 2013 #113
"Why I'm for the Brady Bill" by Ronald Reagan (required reading, IMO) SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2013 #118
The Brady Bill was a good piece of legislation... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #130
I LOVE that - "Jesus of 'Trickle-down'" phrase of yours! calimary Jan 2013 #157
GOING AFTER STRAW PURCHASES!!! N/T RomneyLies Jan 2013 #4
Does this cover rural auctions where they sell tons of firearms???? glinda Jan 2013 #35
The proposal is to require ALL gun purchases, regardless, to have a background check RomneyLies Jan 2013 #65
That doesn't address straw purchases.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #82
Part of the proposal to Congress. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #89
OK Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #92
Unfortunately your completly wrong PrincetonTiger2009 Jan 2013 #116
That's #6 of Executive Actions, NOT the proposal RomneyLies Jan 2013 #117
Oh Golly.. PrincetonTiger2009 Jan 2013 #162
DO THIS NOW! bobclark86 Jan 2013 #62
Straw Purchasers are rampant here in MN. I think. I have seen one glinda Jan 2013 #76
....he called congress? did he call them right now? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #5
Turn on NBC RIGHT NOW!!!111 greatauntoftriplets Jan 2013 #7
Did he do that little trumphet routine the Shrub did? 'Here to deliver a message from the POTUS!' freshwest Jan 2013 #114
congress won't do shit....at least not the house bowens43 Jan 2013 #6
Not this House, that's for sure primavera Jan 2013 #10
Won't be as easy as getting the Dems to go along with Iraq war? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #14
Definitely not primavera Jan 2013 #55
Unfortunately I suspect very little will get done, unless as the President said Americans do still_one Jan 2013 #8
Gird those loins, kids. I smell a tidal wave of gun trolls at the gates. Squinch Jan 2013 #9
You weren't kidding Claybrains Jan 2013 #30
They're already here Floyd_Gondolli Jan 2013 #49
That's one of their favorites. I always wonder what they expect we will do when they say that. Squinch Jan 2013 #52
here's another--with 1000+ posts. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #66
Hey! Glenn Beck just published the same sentiments as that poster! Squinch Jan 2013 #77
Jury voted overwhelmingly that calling Obama cowardly and repugnant geek tragedy Jan 2013 #97
That's pretty disgusting. The one that has my skin still crawling was from yesterday Squinch Jan 2013 #99
We need Obama for America to have his back on this! Scuba Jan 2013 #11
Second time I've heard that phrase. What'd I miss? louis-t Jan 2013 #127
Yes, from both takes of "Clash of the Titans." Whovian Jan 2013 #134
Wow, that's one, wicked lizard! louis-t Jan 2013 #161
Is there a list of those 23 EO's anywhere? JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #12
They should end up here later today as he signs them RomneyLies Jan 2013 #13
See comment #152. Tx4obama Jan 2013 #153
Yep, was my bad n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #156
Here's a list - they aren't all EOs jeff47 Jan 2013 #15
Oh wow. Every last one of them is related to ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #17
Yeah JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo Jan 2013 #51
The 23 'proposals' are NOT executive orders. They are Executive Actions/Proposals. Tx4obama Jan 2013 #152
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #16
Every last executive action is for the enforcement of existing law RomneyLies Jan 2013 #18
Uh huh...right Stuckinthebush Jan 2013 #21
???? lamp_shade Jan 2013 #22
the trolls have been loosed upon us. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #54
This one was a one post flame-out. As their numbers increase ... 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #83
Number 6 is great news Recursion Jan 2013 #19
THAT'S Them?? Where are the ones that actually try to control guns?? jmg257 Jan 2013 #20
Actual gun control requires legislation. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #23
He can ban the importation of foreign made firearms by EO. nick of time Jan 2013 #68
I'm pretty sure that would require legislation.... groundloop Jan 2013 #73
No it doesn't require legislation. nick of time Jan 2013 #80
But all of the guns... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #110
Good point. nick of time Jan 2013 #111
It's all good. bobclark86 Jan 2013 #129
11 is a big part of that Recursion Jan 2013 #24
It's a start. n/t cynatnite Jan 2013 #25
Believe it or not, guys, I'm cool with most of the Executive Orders derby378 Jan 2013 #27
I think its definitely worth researching rbixby Jan 2013 #34
His EO's Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #47
I completely agree SQUEE Jan 2013 #72
I see this a whole lot of nothing. Bake Jan 2013 #123
President Obama needs you! Zoonart Jan 2013 #28
Welcome to Du, Zoonart! And let CONGRESS know what you think! calimary Jan 2013 #137
I support every one of these actions. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #29
Allowing private sellers to use NICS would be terrific obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #32
That would have to be mediated by a dealer... jberryhill Jan 2013 #64
No, but as of right now, private sellers can't do one at all obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #141
Correct jberryhill Jan 2013 #142
Yup -- probably $5-$25 or so obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #143
Not necessarily Kennah Jan 2013 #159
It will probably be via a FFL holder hootinholler Jan 2013 #109
I figured, but that is a great idea obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #140
Since it's a regs change hootinholler Jan 2013 #145
I like all of these except number 2 Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #33
I agree obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #144
A good start Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #36
No problem with them.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #37
All good. I especially like #23. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #38
I'm a pro-gun liberal. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #39
Oh, the right wing will argue against every last one of the these. groundloop Jan 2013 #81
I do think the mental health reporting protocol needs to be spelled out obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #146
On #4 will they add people like Rush to the mix? People that fan paranoia and hate? glinda Jan 2013 #40
Any start is a start annatee33 Jan 2013 #41
Kicked and recommended. Firebrand Gary Jan 2013 #42
Not one of these 'grabs' guns or ammo superpatriotman Jan 2013 #43
I don't like # 2 ... Myrina Jan 2013 #44
On board with no reservations. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #45
Number 9 will piss off a lot of gun folks. Robb Jan 2013 #46
It's the best of the bunch alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #74
And by requiring Federal LE to do it, they also have to develop a system. Robb Jan 2013 #78
It isn't that now obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #147
Yup. Robb Jan 2013 #150
Doesn't piss me off.. sir pball Jan 2013 #100
Like a Tapir: Rumors were in the neighborhood of 19... Barack gave them 23, with some to spare.... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #48
Those of us in RED states HockeyMom Jan 2013 #50
No objections to the 23 items listed in the OP Lurks Often Jan 2013 #53
President signs gun control EO's liked by both Gungeoneers and other DUers Recursion Jan 2013 #56
Hey, who'da thunk it? derby378 Jan 2013 #58
As a pro-gun DUer I'm okay with the list. guardian Jan 2013 #57
Mass shootings are bad drivers of policy Recursion Jan 2013 #59
Unfortunately mass shootings are NOT rare anymore. groundloop Jan 2013 #87
If you graph gun homicides, mass shootings still aren't even visible Recursion Jan 2013 #95
WOW! "Launch a national dialogue" ... I am amazed! mrsadm Jan 2013 #60
How to get more than 27 states complying with the MH reporting to NICS... Historic NY Jan 2013 #61
All good measures. nick of time Jan 2013 #63
Because that already exists? ie. 922r. SQUEE Jan 2013 #93
That already exists and it's why AR15's trigger housing mechanisms have to be put on in the US Recursion Jan 2013 #96
Got it. nick of time Jan 2013 #98
Great Great Start now the President is asking humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #67
No ban on extended mags or AR's? How disappointing Elmer fudd Jan 2013 #69
The concern you've expressed in your very first post is concerning RomneyLies Jan 2013 #75
Good! Elmer fudd Jan 2013 #88
Well let me be the first of many to say, thank you for your concern. n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #91
He called on congress to enact the proper legislation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85
I was wondering... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #90
What he could have done nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #103
Poisoning the well, perhaps? Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #108
EO's are not legislation. Jennicut Jan 2013 #94
Thanks for your post MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #126
+1 milwaukeelib33 Jan 2013 #133
I'm good with these so far. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #70
thank you Mr. President samsingh Jan 2013 #71
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #84
We need an ATF director. Jennicut Jan 2013 #86
KnR Hekate Jan 2013 #101
I Listened To A Mother Of One Of The Sandy Hook Victims Yesterday Talk About HIPPA Law.... global1 Jan 2013 #102
Not to be a grammer nazi but... neffernin Jan 2013 #106
Tbanks And Sorry..... global1 Jan 2013 #119
No biggie neffernin Jan 2013 #164
No. jeff47 Jan 2013 #115
What you are suggesting requires changes in the law by Congress. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #151
Surprise order 24: everyone gets a kitten! shenmue Jan 2013 #104
This all seems to be about process and mental health Renew Deal Jan 2013 #105
He's objecting to it because OBAMA! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #107
Is he going to send troops to Invade the NRA? blitzburgh55 Jan 2013 #112
My husband says the best way to get the Repukes to agree to ban on weapons earcandle Jan 2013 #120
So how does a private citizen (not a dealer) sell a gun to another private citizen? Bake Jan 2013 #121
That will be up to Congress RomneyLies Jan 2013 #122
Can anyone here explain what Item Number Two means, in concrete terms? truedelphi Jan 2013 #124
Doctor patient confidentiality is already compromised when it comes to mental health. JVS Jan 2013 #135
Thanks for shedding light on this. n/t truedelphi Jan 2013 #163
Excellent! thucythucy Jan 2013 #125
Thanks for posting the list. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #128
An excellent Presidential to-do list! ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #131
I'm not going to applaud executive action eliminating "unnecessary legal barriers" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #132
I agree. Legislation isn't written for no reason. If those barriers were considered necessary enough JVS Jan 2013 #136
OMG I agree with you on something obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #148
Where is BAN GUN SHOWS? That'd be nice. nt valerief Jan 2013 #149
#11 libodem Jan 2013 #160

calimary

(89,365 posts)
158. Here's how you can call Congress, TOLL FREE!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:45 PM
Jan 2013

It's in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022203784

I checked all the old numbers. These are the ones that still work. And there are a few more. Toll Free!!!

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
31. I kept wishing the prez would also mention
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jan 2013

that Reagan was himself a victim of gun violence with the best security anyone could have.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
130. The Brady Bill was a good piece of legislation...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jan 2013

When the Jesus of "Trickle-down" likes it, you know it's bipartisan in support .

I think the NICS check was a great addition later on, too. But just like the waiting period, NICS is flawed when states don't report all their records. That's why the EO to "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system" is so damn vital. That should have been done DECADES ago.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
65. The proposal is to require ALL gun purchases, regardless, to have a background check
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jan 2013

So yes, it would cover that. Failure to do so would make you a criminal.

Best proposal in the entire thing.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
82. That doesn't address straw purchases....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jan 2013

The "straw man" buyer is a guy who CAN pass a background check, then passes the gun along to a person who can't.

I hope this is addressed somewhere, but I don't see it on the list in the OP.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
92. OK
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jan 2013

So it's not part of the Executive Orders, but something (like a new AWB) that has to go through Congress.

Sadly, that means we might not get it.

116. Unfortunately your completly wrong
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jan 2013

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.


How are you getting that all private sales are now to be subject to background checks?...

All Barack is doing is making the first step..TEACHING the Gundealers how to facilitate these checks..AFTER Congress passes the legislation

For goodness sakes you need to keep up the pressure and give your support to Feinstein's bill..I just wish she hadnt testified before congress about her having and carrying a concealed handgun herself.. http://www.mrctv.org/videos/feinstein-1995-her-concealed-carry-permit-i-know-urge-arm-yourself-because-thats-what-i-did

Why couldnt Pelosi do the heavy lifting?? unlike Charles Schumer she has NEVER held a gun

Dont get ahead of yourself and please try to read carefully..your thinking we won and we havnt even gotten to congress yet sheesh

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
117. That's #6 of Executive Actions, NOT the proposal
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jan 2013

The proposal is sent to Congress and requires Congress to act.

So, you are the one who is completely wrong.

162. Oh Golly..
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jan 2013

Yes its sorta kinda what your thinking..in that The AG and his staff have to act..by forming and sending the directions..Come on guys..we need to get it together..do some studying instead of silly dreaming

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
62. DO THIS NOW!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jan 2013

Every straw purchaser needs to be punished with the maximum sentence. (about 8 to 9 percent of guns used in crime are acquired this way) Too bad most of the time the U.S. Attorney is too busy trying to deport some guy who works 15 hours a day to feed his family.

Family members should also be punished for transferring guns to those who are prohibited (about 40 percent)

Source: http://www.dontlie.org/, an anti-straw purchase site ran by the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
76. Straw Purchasers are rampant here in MN. I think. I have seen one
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jan 2013

or two Anglo men at Auctions pick up as many as thirty guns.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
114. Did he do that little trumphet routine the Shrub did? 'Here to deliver a message from the POTUS!'
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jan 2013

It was done during hearings and votes, and everything stopped just like King George wanted.

I thought I was in a time warp when I saw that on CSPAN. I was going: WTF is this?






primavera

(5,191 posts)
10. Not this House, that's for sure
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jan 2013

They're more apt to legalize giving assault rifles to toddlers. Oh wait... that's already legal under existing law.

RandiFan1290

(6,697 posts)
14. Won't be as easy as getting the Dems to go along with Iraq war?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jan 2013

or the Bush tax cuts?
or the "Patriot" act?
or the DHS?

Squinch

(58,938 posts)
52. That's one of their favorites. I always wonder what they expect we will do when they say that.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jan 2013

I think they envision that we will say, "Oh, OK,", hang our heads, and go away.

But then they all think they are expert marksmen, too. So there's that...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
97. Jury voted overwhelmingly that calling Obama cowardly and repugnant
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jan 2013

because he disagrees with the NRA was okay.

Squinch

(58,938 posts)
99. That's pretty disgusting. The one that has my skin still crawling was from yesterday
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jan 2013

when there were two jurors that voted to keep a post that said the Sandy Hook killings were a hoax.

They seem to have gotten out of the gungeon Hefty bag and made their way onto juries.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
17. Oh wow. Every last one of them is related to ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jan 2013

Now we will see the true gun nuts when they oppose enforcing existing law.

 

JohnnyBoots

(2,969 posts)
26. Yeah
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

I am the strongest of supporters of the RKBA. These are pretty hard to argue against and some might actually work and do some good. Are 'Resource Officers' LEO's that are in schools?

Response to JohnnyBoots (Reply #12)

Response to RomneyLies (Original post)

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
18. Every last executive action is for the enforcement of existing law
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jan 2013

so that makes him an unconstitutional leader.

I bet you think his birth certificate is a forgery, too.

Come on, say it. You know you want to.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
20. THAT'S Them?? Where are the ones that actually try to control guns??
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jan 2013

4, 5, & 6 - a little.

I guess he can only do so much.

backscatter712

(26,357 posts)
23. Actual gun control requires legislation.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jan 2013

The President cannot simply ban guns by executive order - he has to get Congress to pass a law to do so.

groundloop

(13,665 posts)
73. I'm pretty sure that would require legislation....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jan 2013

Yes, that would be a step in the right direction. But, as with any other gun control that's not already contained in existing law, I don't believe the President can take that action without it going through congress. Please feel free to post a link showing where I'm wrong.
 

nick of time

(651 posts)
80. No it doesn't require legislation.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jan 2013

GHW Bush did it by EO. He can't declare a ban on domestic made weapons, only congress can pass that law and it wouldn't stand up to judicial scrutiny.
I really wish he had included a ban on foreign made weapons.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
110. But all of the guns...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jan 2013

from Aurora, Newtown, etc. were made domestically. It would impact virtually nothing because a) AR's a uniquely American gun, and b) you still can't get this sort of gun from China.

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
111. Good point.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jan 2013

I was just wondering why Obama didn't use his EO to ban the importation of foreign weapons, I was corrected by another poster.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. 11 is a big part of that
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jan 2013

Once ATF finally has an actual director it will have some more clout, administrative politics being what they are.

derby378

(30,262 posts)
27. Believe it or not, guys, I'm cool with most of the Executive Orders
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

I have some questions about the CDC's approach to researching the causes and prevention of gun-related crime, but let's see if this produces some hard medical facts (i.e. lead levels in bloodstream weighed against propensity towards violence).

But most of this stuff is fine with me. We could use some additional data for our government to work with. You newbies should think twice about this - I'm a well-known gun-rights advocate here on DU, and I've got the Ignores to prove it.

rbixby

(1,140 posts)
34. I think its definitely worth researching
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jan 2013

The fact that funding for research was specifically blocked way back when seems pretty stupid to me.

SQUEE

(1,320 posts)
72. I completely agree
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jan 2013

We need to open NICS to everyone and require people to use it. Along with a nationwide database of banned persons and stolen firearms
I am opposed to some of his requests to Congress, but I don't see those actually passing to be honest.
I believe all that he started today is sane and responsible dialog.
Well done Mr. President. You had a hard job put before you and as of now I applaud your balance of rights and responsibilities.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
123. I see this a whole lot of nothing.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jan 2013

No specific action there that actually does anything to regulate guns. All the foaming at the mouth about executive orders is, well, wrong.

Bake

Zoonart

(14,329 posts)
28. President Obama needs you!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

Just a plug for my Prez. He has not even been inaugurated yet and all this is on his plate. He is handling it all, I think, spectacularly well. Let the White House know what you think!

Also... say a prayer or a positive affirmation or send a vibe. I am very concerned by the personal tone of the rhetoric from the Extreme Right. That NRA advert using Sasha and Malia? Way out of bounds!

calimary

(89,365 posts)
137. Welcome to Du, Zoonart! And let CONGRESS know what you think!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jan 2013

Here, thread of updated TOLL FREE numbers to the Capitol Hill switchboard:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022203784#post4

Glad you're here! President Obama needs ALL of us. I've been calling those numbers and asking to speak to various republi-CONS, and pointing out to them that they are NOT to obstruct on this. Because there are MORE OF US than there are teabaggers, OR republi-CONS, either for that matter.

And there are MORE of us supporting this than opposing this. There are MORE of us who voted for Obama than for wrongney. There are MORE of us. Repeat: MORE. The public opinion polls, and even a vast majority of rank-n-file members of the NRA agree. When you call (not if, I hope, but WHEN), please remind the staffers of republi-CONS and Dems alike of these facts. FACTS. That, yet again, are on OUR side.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
64. That would have to be mediated by a dealer...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jan 2013

I wouldn't think that providing public access to the database would be a good thing.

obamanut2012

(29,274 posts)
141. No, but as of right now, private sellers can't do one at all
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jan 2013

I think it's a good idea, and I'm a gun owner. I bought my 9mm online, but of course had to go to a local FFL. Easy enough for anyone to go to an FFL and do it.

obamanut2012

(29,274 posts)
143. Yup -- probably $5-$25 or so
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jan 2013

The fee will just have to be regulated, like it is now.

Buyers just need a Passport or DL and SSN, maybe proof of residency in state. NICS checks don't take long, unless there's a red flag. Which I know you know!

Kennah

(14,578 posts)
159. Not necessarily
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jan 2013

Law enforcement could do the background check for a private sale.

"Good morning. What can I do for you gentlemen?"
"Officer, I want to sell this guy a gun."
"OK, let me see your driver's licenses and unlock the gun case."

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
109. It will probably be via a FFL holder
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Similar to interstate guns sales now are supposed to go through a FFL holder.

obamanut2012

(29,274 posts)
140. I figured, but that is a great idea
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jan 2013

Especially in states that allow private sales at gun shows, etc.

NC requires private sellers to do a background check on buyers, but it's impossible to do a NICS check.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
33. I like all of these except number 2
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jan 2013

I have some concerns about patient privacy and would like to see more info on what exactly this one entails.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
39. I'm a pro-gun liberal.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jan 2013

This entire 23 point EO list looks fine to me. No problems at all. Point 6 could maybe use some funding, the FFL transfer costs about $35, not a lot, but it'll be a big 'bitch point' from the right opposing this, when the later legislation comes down to require FFL transfers for private sales.

But this list is good. Lots of smart, useful stuff in here. Nothing 'offensive' per the 2nd Amendment. Very little for the right wing to latch onto to argue against.

Not unless they for some bizarre reason want to take up a thin artificial veneer of 'patient privacy' to prevent mental health reporting stuff.

Good job, Mr. President, and you as well, Mr. Vice-President.

groundloop

(13,665 posts)
81. Oh, the right wing will argue against every last one of the these.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jan 2013

The NRA will get their members into a gun and ammo buying frenzy over this, and the tea-baggers in the house will start impeachment hearings.

annatee33

(30 posts)
41. Any start is a start
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

We need to have some way to at least take a step to keep some of this from happening. We cannot prevent all violence, but at least we can take a chance.

superpatriotman

(6,825 posts)
43. Not one of these 'grabs' guns or ammo
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

Props to the arms industry for creating a false bogeyman to increase revenues and profits.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
44. I don't like # 2 ...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

.... I really don't want a 'national database of crazy people' so that people can be stigmatized, watched, followed ... and down the slippery slope we go ...

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
74. It's the best of the bunch
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

The straw sellers and fake "lost or stolen" assholes are feeding guns to the illicit market and killing our kids. They need to be in prison. Aggressive tracing of guns involved in crimes or seized during raids is crucial to stemming the culture of 'responsible" gun owners who profit by selling their guns to criminals on the illicit market.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
78. And by requiring Federal LE to do it, they also have to develop a system.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jan 2013

Call it whatever you like, but it's going to become a national firearms database in no time flat.

obamanut2012

(29,274 posts)
147. It isn't that now
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:46 PM
Jan 2013

A NICS check has nothing to do with your weapons, just the buyer. It'll be done like it is now: a NICS check through a FFL, or, in states like here in NC, a NICS and mental health check through the Sheriff for a pistol permit (or CCW, with addition requirements like evidence of taking and passing a course).

sir pball

(5,311 posts)
100. Doesn't piss me off..
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jan 2013

Since there's no legislation up (yet) for registration, they'll trace them the same way they always do - get the serial, go to the manufacturer who keeps records that point to a wholesaler who keeps records than point to a dealer who keeps records that point to the purchaser.

Yeah, the trail goes cold at that point if it was then privately sold, which is why I'm in favor of mandating all sales go through an FFL and those records be kept by the FFL for years. It creates an unbroken chain of custody that leads to the last legal owner without any of the enormous hassles and potential pitfalls of registration.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
50. Those of us in RED states
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jan 2013

need to contact our Republican reps. The President is right with that one. If you live in a Red State, you need to let them know that there ARE constituents who favor this plan. OUR voices need to be heard in these states and not just NRA members.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
53. No objections to the 23 items listed in the OP
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jan 2013

other then minor concerns about privacy and that adequate measures be in place to make sure that the mental health aspect can not be abused

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
56. President signs gun control EO's liked by both Gungeoneers and other DUers
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jan 2013

Existential rift in the DU world is repaired...

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
57. As a pro-gun DUer I'm okay with the list.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jan 2013

Of course the devil is in the details. But at first glance this set of actions seems okay to me. Though I don't think any of the proposed actions would have prevented any of the recent mass shootings.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
59. Mass shootings are bad drivers of policy
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jan 2013

They're too rare, too much outliers on every axis, and too sui generis to legislate much about.

On the other hand, the much more common "normal" shootings are addressed at least in part by a lot of these.

groundloop

(13,665 posts)
87. Unfortunately mass shootings are NOT rare anymore.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jan 2013

I guess it depends on your personal definition of rare, but by my definition they're far too common.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
95. If you graph gun homicides, mass shootings still aren't even visible
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jan 2013

They're horrifying but an infinitesimal drop in the bucket of gun homicides in general, which is what I meant by "rare".

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
63. All good measures.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jan 2013

I'm really curious as to why he didn't sign an EO banning the importation of foreign made assault weapons?
That's certainly well within his purview.
I would wholeheartedly support that.

SQUEE

(1,320 posts)
93. Because that already exists? ie. 922r.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jan 2013

922r compliance is a grey area, a foreign produced rifle with certain specific characteristics must have a minimum number of us made parts to be in compliance. In theory this means that no purely sourced international "assault" rifle is allowed importation into the U.S. In practice companies import parts and assemble them here with domestic source parts.
It would do little as the firearm community has moved past a fascination with Comblock weapons and the current "star" is the AR pattern firearms.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
96. That already exists and it's why AR15's trigger housing mechanisms have to be put on in the US
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jan 2013

Which is also why a lot of foreign gun manufacturers opened up factories here (which in itself sounds like a good thing, and is a reminder for people who say protectionism never works).

Now, we could probably tighten those definitions up some, too.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
67. Great Great Start now the President is asking
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jan 2013

us to call write petition our representatives at all levels to back a gun ban.... The President actually said today that "more than 900 people have died at the end of a gun since the massacre at Sandy Hook"... That is a call for a gun ban period.... Now Congress must act... Write Call get involved... Lets try a march on D.C. or a Rally at the Capital.... Please....

 

Elmer fudd

(6 posts)
69. No ban on extended mags or AR's? How disappointing
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jan 2013

All I can see is that our brilliant President has added more guns to schools (#12) how sad is that really?

I think he had a really great opportunity to make real changes to the gun laws - and it has slipped away again!

I'm not sure how to take this news now. I'm sure that they are working on a beter list behind closed doors

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
75. The concern you've expressed in your very first post is concerning
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

I'm so concerned about your concern that I have noted it and hope others will be as concerned.

 

Elmer fudd

(6 posts)
88. Good!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jan 2013

I've lurked on here for ages - never bothered posting because of all the bitterness and pettiness...

But I'm glad you are concerned as I am - I hoped - and expected - for soo much more!

I'm sure it will come now that the prez is on the case.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
90. I was wondering...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jan 2013

When they started talking about Executive Orders, I recalled that the original AWB was passed by Congress. I was wondering if that could be accomplished by Obama on his own.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
103. What he could have done
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jan 2013

And I get the political calculus of why not, is stop the importation of AK style weapons, like poppy bush did.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
108. Poisoning the well, perhaps?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jan 2013

Maybe he thought it would be easier to get a ban through Congress if he didn't first rile up the Republican base.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
94. EO's are not legislation.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jan 2013

He can do EO's now but to ban gun magazines or AR's he has to get that through Congress.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
126. Thanks for your post
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

Some folks on DU feel that espousing Liberal positions is a sure sign of a paid Republican troll.

Crazy stuff.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
84. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jan 2013

I recall recently seeing a statement that a number of states refused to implement the NICS system or at least to implement it fully

Here's a recent interview from NPR: Gun Background Check System Lacks Money, State Involvement

The interviewee is Steve Buford, the assistant bureau chief at the California Bureau of Firearms. California does participate fully in the NICS. Buford elaborates on a few of theses issues:

(NB: This article is a transcript. I edited out the 'you knows' and connected bits of sentences to make the comments more readable. I think I preserved the intent. The intact transcript is available at the link and NPR probably has the video available.)

I think the big issue there is who bears the burden of implementing and maintaining that restitution program? The grant monies that the feds have placed out there for these particular programs just aren't sufficient enough to fund the program. You can't just lay it out there and say, go implement this program. There has to be sufficient funding and it can't be small amounts of funding. It has to be sufficient to fund the entire program.

There are some gaps in the system, but I'd rather have the system with the gaps than no system at all, no federal system at all. We use federal records all the time to deny gun purchases people illegally and unlawfully, they could be criminals. We use it to deny people that are mental defectives in other states and people that are under restraining orders.


My question is: Why not commit the federal excise tax on firearm and ammunition purchases to funding of NICS and any other state programs involved in the 26 Executive Actions? And make the tax rate float to insure that the systems ARE fully funded?

OK, clearly the zeroth answer is that the current Congress would never pass such legislation, despite all the angst about cutting Federal deficits. Yeah.

But are their obvious problems with the approach? Maybe a portion of the alcohol excise tax could be designated as well. And, as more states legalize marijuana, an similar excise tax could be added.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
86. We need an ATF director.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jan 2013

We have not had a permanent ATF director in years, I think. Because of resistance in Congress by the pro gun crowd.

global1

(26,504 posts)
102. I Listened To A Mother Of One Of The Sandy Hook Victims Yesterday Talk About HIPPA Law....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jan 2013

She indicated that HIPPA Law prevents us from getting adequate info on the shooter Lanza. I was hoping for an EO that addresses this law and allows that if a person is involved in a shooting incident where someone is killed - whether the shooter remain alive or dead - that all medical information be made available and is no longer protected by HIPPA. Essentially a person involved in such a crime loses their right to privacy.

We need to understand what is going on medically with these shooters. Are they being seen by medical professionals such as psychiatrists as being suspect for a mental health problem or being treated for a mental health problem.

Many people have made espoused the hypothesis that drugs that such people are being treated with might be the problem. Well - we need to be able to determine that and the only way we'll be able to do that is if this type of information is readily available.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
115. No.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jan 2013
Well - we need to be able to determine that and the only way we'll be able to do that is if this type of information is readily available.

Doctors, researchers and other qualified people need to determine that. And they can already get access to the data.

The general public does not.

Renew Deal

(84,784 posts)
105. This all seems to be about process and mental health
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jan 2013

No bans or restrictions in there. I'm not sure why someone like the gov of Miss. is objecting to.

earcandle

(3,622 posts)
120. My husband says the best way to get the Repukes to agree to ban on weapons
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jan 2013

is to constitute a newer stronger version of the Black Panthers.

They will go for it then. Heheh.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
121. So how does a private citizen (not a dealer) sell a gun to another private citizen?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jan 2013

Or is that now illegal?

Bake

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
124. Can anyone here explain what Item Number Two means, in concrete terms?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jan 2013

Not saying I disagree with the item - stating I have no idea what it means.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
135. Doctor patient confidentiality is already compromised when it comes to mental health.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

I'm guessing the order means that he wants to lay the legal groundwork for it to be compromised further so that mental health professionals keep the police informed if they think someone shouldn't be armed.

thucythucy

(9,064 posts)
125. Excellent!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

And here I was just about done basking in the aftermath of the November victory, but now I'm experiencing that "Thank God we won and the other guy (what was his name again--the one who was always lying?) lost.

It's just so great to have an intelligent, thinking person as president!

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
132. I'm not going to applaud executive action eliminating "unnecessary legal barriers"
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jan 2013

Until I understand what they are.

The last guy to hold that office thought that Habeas Corpus was one of those unnecessary legal barriers.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
136. I agree. Legislation isn't written for no reason. If those barriers were considered necessary enough
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jan 2013

to get into law, they're there for a reason.

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