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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPRESIDENT ANNOUNCES 23 NEW EXECUTIVE ACTIONS!
Right wing heads are exploding as I type.
Just called for Congress to require background checks on ALL gun purchases!
More as updates come in!
And here are the 23 Executive Actions:
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)and a ten round max for magazines.
Maraya1969
(23,461 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Wants congress to renew assault weapons ban.
Ter
(4,281 posts)n/t
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)calimary
(89,365 posts)It's in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022203784
I checked all the old numbers. These are the ones that still work. And there are a few more. Toll Free!!!
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)that Reagan was himself a victim of gun violence with the best security anyone could have.
Turbineguy
(39,928 posts)that was below the belt. Is he still the Saint of the wingnuts?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)When the Jesus of "Trickle-down" likes it, you know it's bipartisan in support
.
I think the NICS check was a great addition later on, too. But just like the waiting period, NICS is flawed when states don't report all their records. That's why the EO to "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system" is so damn vital. That should have been done DECADES ago.
calimary
(89,365 posts)Well done, bobclark86!!!
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)So yes, it would cover that. Failure to do so would make you a criminal.
Best proposal in the entire thing.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)The "straw man" buyer is a guy who CAN pass a background check, then passes the gun along to a person who can't.
I hope this is addressed somewhere, but I don't see it on the list in the OP.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Straw purchases were addressed in what he called on Congress to do.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)So it's not part of the Executive Orders, but something (like a new AWB) that has to go through Congress.
Sadly, that means we might not get it.
PrincetonTiger2009
(10 posts)6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
How are you getting that all private sales are now to be subject to background checks?...
All Barack is doing is making the first step..TEACHING the Gundealers how to facilitate these checks..AFTER Congress passes the legislation
For goodness sakes you need to keep up the pressure and give your support to Feinstein's bill..I just wish she hadnt testified before congress about her having and carrying a concealed handgun herself.. http://www.mrctv.org/videos/feinstein-1995-her-concealed-carry-permit-i-know-urge-arm-yourself-because-thats-what-i-did
Why couldnt Pelosi do the heavy lifting?? unlike Charles Schumer she has NEVER held a gun
Dont get ahead of yourself and please try to read carefully..your thinking we won and we havnt even gotten to congress yet sheesh
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)The proposal is sent to Congress and requires Congress to act.
So, you are the one who is completely wrong.
PrincetonTiger2009
(10 posts)Yes its sorta kinda what your thinking..in that The AG and his staff have to act..by forming and sending the directions..Come on guys..we need to get it together..do some studying instead of silly dreaming
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Every straw purchaser needs to be punished with the maximum sentence. (about 8 to 9 percent of guns used in crime are acquired this way) Too bad most of the time the U.S. Attorney is too busy trying to deport some guy who works 15 hours a day to feed his family.
Family members should also be punished for transferring guns to those who are prohibited (about 40 percent)
Source: http://www.dontlie.org/, an anti-straw purchase site ran by the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
glinda
(14,807 posts)or two Anglo men at Auctions pick up as many as thirty guns.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)K/R
greatauntoftriplets
(178,723 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)It was done during hearings and votes, and everything stopped just like King George wanted.
I thought I was in a time warp when I saw that on CSPAN. I was going: WTF is this?

bowens43
(16,064 posts)primavera
(5,191 posts)They're more apt to legalize giving assault rifles to toddlers. Oh wait... that's already legal under existing law.
RandiFan1290
(6,697 posts)or the Bush tax cuts?
or the "Patriot" act?
or the DHS?
primavera
(5,191 posts)Dems sell out much more readily than Repukes do, sadly.
still_one
(98,883 posts)something about it
Squinch
(58,938 posts)Claybrains
(132 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Their new meme is "I doubt anything ever gets done".
Squinch
(58,938 posts)I think they envision that we will say, "Oh, OK,", hang our heads, and go away.
But then they all think they are expert marksmen, too. So there's that...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Squinch
(58,938 posts)Coincidence? I think not!!! We have a celebrity in our midst!
(....run away! run away!...)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)because he disagrees with the NRA was okay.
Squinch
(58,938 posts)when there were two jurors that voted to keep a post that said the Sandy Hook killings were a hoax.
They seem to have gotten out of the gungeon Hefty bag and made their way onto juries.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Unleash the Krackens!!!
louis-t
(24,584 posts)From a movie?
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Both are great brain candy if you enjoy Mythology.
louis-t
(24,584 posts)JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)Thanks.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Now we will see the true gun nuts when they oppose enforcing existing law.
JohnnyBoots
(2,969 posts)I am the strongest of supporters of the RKBA. These are pretty hard to argue against and some might actually work and do some good. Are 'Resource Officers' LEO's that are in schools?
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Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)The 23 'proposals' are NOT executive orders. They are Executive Actions/Proposals.
Two were actually 'memoranda' (which also are NOT an executive orders):
1) http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/01/16/presidential-memorandum-improving-availability-relevant-executive-branch
2) http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/01/16/presidential-memorandum-tracing-firearms-connection-criminal-investigati
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RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)so that makes him an unconstitutional leader.
I bet you think his birth certificate is a forgery, too.
Come on, say it. You know you want to.
Stuckinthebush
(11,201 posts)Ol 'bama wants to be a dictator, right? Yeah, right.
The stupid burns.
lamp_shade
(15,416 posts)Javaman
(65,456 posts)11 Bravo
(24,295 posts)the stupidity seems to expand exponentially.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's a huge part of broadening background checks.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)4, 5, & 6 - a little.
I guess he can only do so much.
backscatter712
(26,357 posts)The President cannot simply ban guns by executive order - he has to get Congress to pass a law to do so.
nick of time
(651 posts)Wondering why he didn't do so.
I would support that.
groundloop
(13,665 posts)Yes, that would be a step in the right direction. But, as with any other gun control that's not already contained in existing law, I don't believe the President can take that action without it going through congress. Please feel free to post a link showing where I'm wrong.
nick of time
(651 posts)GHW Bush did it by EO. He can't declare a ban on domestic made weapons, only congress can pass that law and it wouldn't stand up to judicial scrutiny.
I really wish he had included a ban on foreign made weapons.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)from Aurora, Newtown, etc. were made domestically. It would impact virtually nothing because a) AR's a uniquely American gun, and b) you still can't get this sort of gun from China.
nick of time
(651 posts)I was just wondering why Obama didn't use his EO to ban the importation of foreign weapons, I was corrected by another poster.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)We learn by asking questions and making mistakes. Nobody's perfect, least of all me.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Once ATF finally has an actual director it will have some more clout, administrative politics being what they are.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)derby378
(30,262 posts)I have some questions about the CDC's approach to researching the causes and prevention of gun-related crime, but let's see if this produces some hard medical facts (i.e. lead levels in bloodstream weighed against propensity towards violence).
But most of this stuff is fine with me. We could use some additional data for our government to work with. You newbies should think twice about this - I'm a well-known gun-rights advocate here on DU, and I've got the Ignores to prove it.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)The fact that funding for research was specifically blocked way back when seems pretty stupid to me.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...are perfectly reasonable, and I fully support them.
SQUEE
(1,320 posts)We need to open NICS to everyone and require people to use it. Along with a nationwide database of banned persons and stolen firearms
I am opposed to some of his requests to Congress, but I don't see those actually passing to be honest.
I believe all that he started today is sane and responsible dialog.
Well done Mr. President. You had a hard job put before you and as of now I applaud your balance of rights and responsibilities.
Bake
(21,977 posts)No specific action there that actually does anything to regulate guns. All the foaming at the mouth about executive orders is, well, wrong.
Bake
Zoonart
(14,329 posts)Just a plug for my Prez. He has not even been inaugurated yet and all this is on his plate. He is handling it all, I think, spectacularly well. Let the White House know what you think!
Also... say a prayer or a positive affirmation or send a vibe. I am very concerned by the personal tone of the rhetoric from the Extreme Right. That NRA advert using Sasha and Malia? Way out of bounds!
calimary
(89,365 posts)Here, thread of updated TOLL FREE numbers to the Capitol Hill switchboard:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022203784#post4
Glad you're here! President Obama needs ALL of us. I've been calling those numbers and asking to speak to various republi-CONS, and pointing out to them that they are NOT to obstruct on this. Because there are MORE OF US than there are teabaggers, OR republi-CONS, either for that matter.
And there are MORE of us supporting this than opposing this. There are MORE of us who voted for Obama than for wrongney. There are MORE of us. Repeat: MORE. The public opinion polls, and even a vast majority of rank-n-file members of the NRA agree. When you call (not if, I hope, but WHEN), please remind the staffers of republi-CONS and Dems alike of these facts. FACTS. That, yet again, are on OUR side.
hack89
(39,181 posts)obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)That needs to actually be made a law.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I wouldn't think that providing public access to the database would be a good thing.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)I think it's a good idea, and I'm a gun owner. I bought my 9mm online, but of course had to go to a local FFL. Easy enough for anyone to go to an FFL and do it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)IMHO, dealers should get behind this, since they can collect a fee.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)The fee will just have to be regulated, like it is now.
Buyers just need a Passport or DL and SSN, maybe proof of residency in state. NICS checks don't take long, unless there's a red flag. Which I know you know!
Kennah
(14,578 posts)Law enforcement could do the background check for a private sale.
"Good morning. What can I do for you gentlemen?"
"Officer, I want to sell this guy a gun."
"OK, let me see your driver's licenses and unlock the gun case."
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Similar to interstate guns sales now are supposed to go through a FFL holder.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)Especially in states that allow private sales at gun shows, etc.
NC requires private sellers to do a background check on buyers, but it's impossible to do a NICS check.
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)It should be able to be accomplished by order.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I have some concerns about patient privacy and would like to see more info on what exactly this one entails.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...we'll see where it goes from here, but a good start.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Just minor quibbles about privacy..
rrneck
(17,671 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)This entire 23 point EO list looks fine to me. No problems at all. Point 6 could maybe use some funding, the FFL transfer costs about $35, not a lot, but it'll be a big 'bitch point' from the right opposing this, when the later legislation comes down to require FFL transfers for private sales.
But this list is good. Lots of smart, useful stuff in here. Nothing 'offensive' per the 2nd Amendment. Very little for the right wing to latch onto to argue against.
Not unless they for some bizarre reason want to take up a thin artificial veneer of 'patient privacy' to prevent mental health reporting stuff.
Good job, Mr. President, and you as well, Mr. Vice-President.
groundloop
(13,665 posts)The NRA will get their members into a gun and ammo buying frenzy over this, and the tea-baggers in the house will start impeachment hearings.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)annatee33
(30 posts)We need to have some way to at least take a step to keep some of this from happening. We cannot prevent all violence, but at least we can take a chance.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)superpatriotman
(6,825 posts)Props to the arms industry for creating a false bogeyman to increase revenues and profits.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... I really don't want a 'national database of crazy people' so that people can be stigmatized, watched, followed ... and down the slippery slope we go ...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Take a second to think about HOW you do that and you'll see why.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The straw sellers and fake "lost or stolen" assholes are feeding guns to the illicit market and killing our kids. They need to be in prison. Aggressive tracing of guns involved in crimes or seized during raids is crucial to stemming the culture of 'responsible" gun owners who profit by selling their guns to criminals on the illicit market.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Call it whatever you like, but it's going to become a national firearms database in no time flat.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)A NICS check has nothing to do with your weapons, just the buyer. It'll be done like it is now: a NICS check through a FFL, or, in states like here in NC, a NICS and mental health check through the Sheriff for a pistol permit (or CCW, with addition requirements like evidence of taking and passing a course).
Robb
(39,665 posts)But this directive is about the weapon.
sir pball
(5,311 posts)Since there's no legislation up (yet) for registration, they'll trace them the same way they always do - get the serial, go to the manufacturer who keeps records that point to a wholesaler who keeps records than point to a dealer who keeps records that point to the purchaser.
Yeah, the trail goes cold at that point if it was then privately sold, which is why I'm in favor of mandating all sales go through an FFL and those records be kept by the FFL for years. It creates an unbroken chain of custody that leads to the last legal owner without any of the enormous hassles and potential pitfalls of registration.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I love him.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)need to contact our Republican reps. The President is right with that one. If you live in a Red State, you need to let them know that there ARE constituents who favor this plan. OUR voices need to be heard in these states and not just NRA members.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)other then minor concerns about privacy and that adequate measures be in place to make sure that the mental health aspect can not be abused
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Existential rift in the DU world is repaired...
derby378
(30,262 posts)guardian
(2,282 posts)Of course the devil is in the details. But at first glance this set of actions seems okay to me. Though I don't think any of the proposed actions would have prevented any of the recent mass shootings.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They're too rare, too much outliers on every axis, and too sui generis to legislate much about.
On the other hand, the much more common "normal" shootings are addressed at least in part by a lot of these.
groundloop
(13,665 posts)I guess it depends on your personal definition of rare, but by my definition they're far too common.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They're horrifying but an infinitesimal drop in the bucket of gun homicides in general, which is what I meant by "rare".
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)Historic NY
(39,841 posts)loss of Federal Funds, etc....if they don't comply.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mental-health-background-check-newtown-shooting-adam-lanza
nick of time
(651 posts)I'm really curious as to why he didn't sign an EO banning the importation of foreign made assault weapons?
That's certainly well within his purview.
I would wholeheartedly support that.
SQUEE
(1,320 posts)922r compliance is a grey area, a foreign produced rifle with certain specific characteristics must have a minimum number of us made parts to be in compliance. In theory this means that no purely sourced international "assault" rifle is allowed importation into the U.S. In practice companies import parts and assemble them here with domestic source parts.
It would do little as the firearm community has moved past a fascination with Comblock weapons and the current "star" is the AR pattern firearms.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Which is also why a lot of foreign gun manufacturers opened up factories here (which in itself sounds like a good thing, and is a reminder for people who say protectionism never works).
Now, we could probably tighten those definitions up some, too.
nick of time
(651 posts)Thanks for the info.
All in all, a great speech by our Prez..
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)us to call write petition our representatives at all levels to back a gun ban.... The President actually said today that "more than 900 people have died at the end of a gun since the massacre at Sandy Hook"... That is a call for a gun ban period.... Now Congress must act... Write Call get involved... Lets try a march on D.C. or a Rally at the Capital.... Please....
Elmer fudd
(6 posts)All I can see is that our brilliant President has added more guns to schools (#12) how sad is that really?
I think he had a really great opportunity to make real changes to the gun laws - and it has slipped away again!
I'm not sure how to take this news now. I'm sure that they are working on a beter list behind closed doors
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)I'm so concerned about your concern that I have noted it and hope others will be as concerned.
I've lurked on here for ages - never bothered posting because of all the bitterness and pettiness...
But I'm glad you are concerned as I am - I hoped - and expected - for soo much more!
I'm sure it will come now that the prez is on the case.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This can't be done by executive order.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)When they started talking about Executive Orders, I recalled that the original AWB was passed by Congress. I was wondering if that could be accomplished by Obama on his own.
Thanks for the reminder.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And I get the political calculus of why not, is stop the importation of AK style weapons, like poppy bush did.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Maybe he thought it would be easier to get a ban through Congress if he didn't first rile up the Republican base.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)He can do EO's now but to ban gun magazines or AR's he has to get that through Congress.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Some folks on DU feel that espousing Liberal positions is a sure sign of a paid Republican troll.
Crazy stuff.
milwaukeelib33
(140 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)The devil, of course, will be in the details...
samsingh
(18,338 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)I recall recently seeing a statement that a number of states refused to implement the NICS system or at least to implement it fully
Here's a recent interview from NPR: Gun Background Check System Lacks Money, State Involvement
The interviewee is Steve Buford, the assistant bureau chief at the California Bureau of Firearms. California does participate fully in the NICS. Buford elaborates on a few of theses issues:
(NB: This article is a transcript. I edited out the 'you knows' and connected bits of sentences to make the comments more readable. I think I preserved the intent. The intact transcript is available at the link and NPR probably has the video available.)
There are some gaps in the system, but I'd rather have the system with the gaps than no system at all, no federal system at all. We use federal records all the time to deny gun purchases people illegally and unlawfully, they could be criminals. We use it to deny people that are mental defectives in other states and people that are under restraining orders.
My question is: Why not commit the federal excise tax on firearm and ammunition purchases to funding of NICS and any other state programs involved in the 26 Executive Actions? And make the tax rate float to insure that the systems ARE fully funded?
OK, clearly the zeroth answer is that the current Congress would never pass such legislation, despite all the angst about cutting Federal deficits. Yeah.
But are their obvious problems with the approach? Maybe a portion of the alcohol excise tax could be designated as well. And, as more states legalize marijuana, an similar excise tax could be added.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)We have not had a permanent ATF director in years, I think. Because of resistance in Congress by the pro gun crowd.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)global1
(26,504 posts)She indicated that HIPPA Law prevents us from getting adequate info on the shooter Lanza. I was hoping for an EO that addresses this law and allows that if a person is involved in a shooting incident where someone is killed - whether the shooter remain alive or dead - that all medical information be made available and is no longer protected by HIPPA. Essentially a person involved in such a crime loses their right to privacy.
We need to understand what is going on medically with these shooters. Are they being seen by medical professionals such as psychiatrists as being suspect for a mental health problem or being treated for a mental health problem.
Many people have made espoused the hypothesis that drugs that such people are being treated with might be the problem. Well - we need to be able to determine that and the only way we'll be able to do that is if this type of information is readily available.
neffernin
(275 posts)its HIPAA.
global1
(26,504 posts)in my haste to get the post up I mistyped. Please forgive me.
neffernin
(275 posts)Having worked on HIPAA security I made the same mistake a whole bunch at first
Doctors, researchers and other qualified people need to determine that. And they can already get access to the data.
The general public does not.
ManiacJoe
(10,138 posts)shenmue
(38,588 posts)Hooray!
Renew Deal
(84,784 posts)No bans or restrictions in there. I'm not sure why someone like the gov of Miss. is objecting to.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)and because FREEDOM!
blitzburgh55
(411 posts)earcandle
(3,622 posts)is to constitute a newer stronger version of the Black Panthers.
They will go for it then. Heheh.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Or is that now illegal?
Bake
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Most likely, all private sales will have to go through a FFL.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Not saying I disagree with the item - stating I have no idea what it means.
JVS
(61,935 posts)I'm guessing the order means that he wants to lay the legal groundwork for it to be compromised further so that mental health professionals keep the police informed if they think someone shouldn't be armed.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)thucythucy
(9,064 posts)And here I was just about done basking in the aftermath of the November victory, but now I'm experiencing that "Thank God we won and the other guy (what was his name again--the one who was always lying?) lost.
It's just so great to have an intelligent, thinking person as president!
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)K&R
ManiacJoe
(10,138 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Until I understand what they are.
The last guy to hold that office thought that Habeas Corpus was one of those unnecessary legal barriers.
JVS
(61,935 posts)to get into law, they're there for a reason.
obamanut2012
(29,274 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Buttheads, get on it!!!
