If gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are delusional...

[dkf]

Are people who think they can confiscate those guns also delusional and mentally ill?

[Lizzie Poppet]

23. See reply #3 (nt)

[LanternWaste]

31. Incredible sample size

Incredible sample size on which to base a hypothetical...

[cthulu2016]

2. Yes.

[bowens43]

3. my sincere hope is that gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are NOT delusional.

I hope that we will soon be able to PROVE that they are not delusional.....

[Loudly]

30. Incrementalism, citizen. Otherwise, you risk triggering the kneejerk.

[forestpath]

41. +1

[RebelOne]

4. I have a dumb-ass brother-in-law who hates Obama,

and thinks Obama is coming after his hunting gun.

[Downwinder]

5. Guns attract more guns on the opposing side.

[MotherPetrie]

6. What people?

[regjoe]

7. Yes

Even moreso than those who think cosmetic or magazine limitations will curb gun violence.

[upaloopa]

10. No one believes you will curb gun violence.

But they believe they can lessen it.

[RomneyLies]

8. See post 87. eom

[Glassunion]

39. .

[pkdu]

52. Now, THAT deserves a Duzy!! Laugh out loud funny, cheers. Nt

[freshwest]

54. Damned straight. He nearly got himself banned over that one.

[xoom]

59. RomneyLies

[upaloopa]

9. They fall for the bs that they will have their

ammo and guns taken away so they rush out and cause a shortage by buying all they can afford. The manufactures are laughing all the way to the bank.

[Fumesucker]

11. ...

[arbusto_baboso]

12. Any people thinking any other people want to confiscate guns are...

delusional, mentally ill, and complete dumbasses.

Just sayin'.

[krispos42]

47. People on here are actively seeking the "Australian solution"

Where the government confiscated with compensation all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns shortly after the Port Arthur massacre. A mandatory "gun buyback", if you will, although I dislike the term "buyback", as it implies the government gave you the guns in the first place.

[arbusto_baboso]

70. Can you name names please?

Because I hear that "people I know" bullshit meme a LOT.

[former9thward]

72. Poster #3 does.

Total confiscation posters are in every gun thread.

[krispos42]

73. Well, advanced search is a help

There were a lot of "fuck all guns" and "fuck the NRA" and such threads in the days after Newtown, so the system's a bit clogged with chaff, but you can poke around if you want.

There was an article in the "New York Post", where a legislative proposal for the state government to purchase all the assault weapons on the state (confiscation with compensation) was shot down as too expensive.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ny_in_jam_forget_rifle_buyback_tiTyUjCeA5bNtmL6jpDeCO


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022053134

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022053079#post8

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post10

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022051643#post109


This was confining myself to the first few dozen search results, of GD, the week after Newtown. Once the politicians began getting involved, things of course got busier.

[jmg257]

13. In New York, they didn't confiscate...you simply have to register them or dump them.

Mags however...still no confiscation, but no registration either (except for unique C&R).

[phillipstd]

15. correct

but if it's a federal law then who will i sell my hunting rifles from the 1800's that hold more than 7 rounds to? New York just effectively "grabbed" their citizens guns....

[Bandit]

20. You have a hunting rifle from the 1800s that has a detachable magazine?

I don't believe you....Many rifles hold more than seven bullets but they are not the concern. It is large capacity magazines that worry people...

[jmg257]

21. Antiques/curios - not likely to be banned. Even if you do have a 1800s semi

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that takes detachable magazines.

[Hekate]

14. Who exactly thinks that?

Who at that extreme has the voice and audience of Beck, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly?

[dkf]

19. Piers Morgan?

[Hekate]

22. LOL, literally. How does Piers compare to any of the three I mentioned?

First, he is a Brit, and while he is entitled to his opinion he cannot vote here.

Second, the person who came on his show and had a ranting, frothing at the mouth, meltdown was not Piers Morgan, but a prototypical gun nut, with the emphasis on NUT.

[HereSince1628]

16. Either way the argument is able-ist and bigoted posing mental illness as a flaw

In the midst of issues where the NRA is blaming the mentally ill and 80% of people think that mental illness is the problem and not guns

This line of reasoning is simply fucked

[phillipstd]

17. blind

nobody even talks about how the last few school mass shooters are all world of warcraft players, and all the ones I know you could tell within 30 seconds they should not have a gun or bat or a stick or a rock. Thank god they havent figured out that the feed store sells enough stuff to make a bomb and level an entire school

[lonestarnot]

62. What are you suggesting, ban feed stores?

Fucking goofy. No one is suggesting banning guns.

[Bjornsdotter]

18. What??

The only places I've read or heard about guns being seized are by the paranoid gun owners spouting that Obama was coming for their guns.

Ted Nugent comes to mind as one of these people.

[krispos42]

48. "Obama's waiting for his 2nd term to enact strict gun-control laws"

"He spent his first term just lulling everybody to sleep! You watch, as soon as he's re-elected... BAM! Assault weapons ban! Magazine limits! You'll see!"


Remember that discussion last summer?

[frylock]

24. more herp, less derp

[XRubicon]

25. All guns or some guns?

All guns - yes (not realistic is how I would put it).

Some guns - no. It will be a rude awaking for assault weapon owners.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. Actually, the original assault weapon ban wasn't even written to confiscate weapons

Weapons people owned were grandfathered in. And that is how it would be written now, if Republicans care more about children than they do their guns.

[XRubicon]

33. How do you know how it will be written this time?

Do you have a flux capacitor and access to 1.21 gigwatts?

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. No, but the President hasn't called for confiscating weapons...

And Democratic leadership in the House and Senate aren't calling for confiscating property.

That is the paranoid delusion of gun owners fed by their logical fallacies.

Really, people should stop bringing the paranoid lies of the NRA and Free Republic over here.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. There have been a chorus of voices here for total banning/confiscation

Some of them are clearly zombies and socks

[Agnosticsherbet]

36. Which elected voices would those be?

Confiscating weapons is a paranoid delusion nurtured by the NRA, Republicans, and Gun manufacturers using outright lies and logical fallacies. It is a right wing talking point that isn't being discussed by anyone who will write the law. Show me a a large group of elected officials that will write such a law. They just don't exist.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

43. As I said here, as on DU.

[Agnosticsherbet]

49. DU doesn't legislate. So you have nothing.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

57. Actually what we have is a small group within the party/left that are doing just that

Do they legislate, no. Do they garner some attention, yes.

Wingnuts from either side are not helping

[XRubicon]

37. Which are you "progressive"?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

44. I've previously posted what I think should be changed

Lined up fairly well with the EOs

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. Nobody in the government is talking about confiscating guns...

that is purely the deluison of gun owners.

[hack89]

42. And the fantasy of some DUrs. nt

[Squinch]

27. Certainly not! Rush says people WILL come and take your guns. Therefore, it MUST be so!!

Sheriff Arpao says so too. What more proof do you need? Who cares that no laws have even been broached suggesting any such thing. That's just to give you a false sense of security.

All of you guys who understand the truth of the fact that we are all coming into your homes, probably at night, to take your guns, you better get into those bunkers!

[LanternWaste]

29. What is the specific, relevant and valid correlation between the alleged delusion of one and the all

What is the specific, relevant and valid correlation between the alleged delusion of one and the alleged delusions of the other?

Or are we simply attempting to make a tortured and petulant tortured point?

[stevenleser]

38. Answer to your last question... Yes, and flamebait along the way. nt

[dkf]

45. If thinking guns will be grabbed is delusional then it's delusional from the point of view of pro

And con.

And both should be shot down as ridiculous. Condemning only one side as being crazy doesn't work in any intellectually honest way.

[dkf]

50. I'm not making a list if that is your question.

But I've seen posts often enough.

[dkf]

64. And some people post that they are afraid their guns will be taken away.

They are called delusional and other names. Why shouldn't it be the same on the other end if everyone agrees it is a delusion?

[dkf]

66. Actually I would prefer we just accept people's views and stop calling them names.

But if we must be disparaging about a view it should be done in all ways.

[LanternWaste]

69. you predicate your words and ethics on the behavior of others, rather than on your own convictions

"But if we must be disparaging about a view it should be done in all ways..."

I see... you predicate your words and ethics on the behavior of others, rather than on your own convictions. I can certainly see the convenience in that...

[LanternWaste]

68. I imagine you may even believe your sampling size is valid..

I imagine you may even believe your sampling size is valid, all the to better reinforce your faith in your biases...

But at the end of the day, petulance, no matte how well justified, is yet still petulance.

[dkf]

60. See post 56.

[Chico Man]

32. Waco was all about the guns

Didn't seem to end well..

[Motown_Johnny]

40. Yes

[hrmjustin]

51. No!

[Politicub]

53. Great point!

[madinmaryland]

55. If gun owners who think their guns will be grabbed are delusional...

they are members of the NRA and should be committed to a mental institute and banned from buying guns.

For your second question, see the first question, since no one has thought they should confiscate all guns. What you have heard is that people would like to see a world without guns, but we realize that utopia will never exist as long as there are gun-nutters around.

[krispos42]

56. Yeah, why would gun owners think that?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22ban+all+guns%22+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F%3Fcom%3Dforum%26id%3D1002&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a



That's just in GD.

[xoom]

58. Well that is kind of telling

[NashvilleLefty]

63. Delusional post.

[BainsBane]

67. +1

[quaker bill]

71. No, they aren't

It is not going to happen, but I am really sure it could be done. Governments far less powerful than ours have done so with considerable success. People do die in the process however, sometimes quite a few. Government would never get all of them, but at some point it does not matter as those remaining will be silent and well hidden.

It will not happen that way. It will happen because normal people will not want the stigma of being an owner. Folks will die in that process as well, probably quite a few, but at the hands of fruitbat owners instead. When ownership associates a person with a sufficient number of fruitbats, they will choose to rid themselves of this symbol of derrangement.