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Look no further to see the festering pus of the Right Wing in this country.......
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0116/Sandy-Hook-truthers-harass-Newtown-man-conspiracy-theories-go-viral
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)As I said elsewhere there are plenty of leftists who are truthers. Imo, these conspiracy theorists do a lot of damage. They ignore a critique of institutional problems, and focus on tiny details. They take away credibility from REAL conspiracies (ie banks, etc.) which exist in this country.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)in my opinion. There is little actual evidence for their claims that hasn't been taken apart. And, at least on DU, much of the arguments i heard in favor of 9/11 trutherism boiled down to "Look, don't you think Bush is a bastard?" I do, but that's not the point.
9/11 truthers are on slightly higher ground then Sandy Hook Truthers but not that much higher.
I really don't mind if people are suspicious of me.
Bryant
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)we're done, have a nice life.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)but factually. But I can see how saying the 9/11 truthers are idiots and saying the sandy hook truthers are idiots and assholes isn't really that much of a step up.
Bryant
ananda
(28,874 posts)Can you provide any examples?
Thanks in advance.
Including posts from conspiracy sites like James Tracy, "Inconsistencies and anomalies abound when one turns an analytical eye to news of the Newtown school massacre" one of the initiators of this particular conspiracy theory.
Also see Global Research, a noteable conspiracy site from a left wing perspective.
(the first example is not re Sandy Hook, it just appeared, but is an example of left-wing thinking that any time a notable left-wing person dies, they were killed by the CIA. Sometimes that is true, but not always. Frank Olson I believe was killed by CIA. But Abbie Hoffman was suffering from tremendous physical pain when he killed himself. And Phil Ochs had been on a decline for years, and was a raving drunken lunatic when he finally put himself out of his misery.)
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Both Abbie Hoffman and Phil Ochs were supposedly suffering from depression as well. If depression is controlled by adjusting saratonin levels, would a spiked ingredient push them over the edge? Abbie was on a successful campus tour with Amy Carter against CIA recruiters at the time of his suicide. Why would he be depressed when he was on a roll? Another case of CIA caused "suicide" was Frank Olson.
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At a "news conference",
"Robbie Parker, the father of slain 6-year-old Emily Parker, can be seen smiling and laughing before asking someone if he should, read off the card.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/12/20/media-manipulation-father-of-sandy-hook-victim-asks-read-the-card-seconds-before-press-conference/
Are there any independent journalists visiting the scene?
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I don't think rhat is a credible motive. The gun-nuts say that--as if they could protect free speech with guns. What good would a gun do for Bradley Manning.? Besides the only legislation some Congresspersons dare to propose does not take away their guns. It only puts limits purchase of high intensity assault weapons.
I don't know what the motive is--but I know there is not lone shooter. Un either Lanza or Holt cases..And as usual the press seems to be cooperating in concealing monkey busines.
And we do know that the frathers of both bLanza and Holt were scheduled to be witnesses at Lipor hearings whatever that means.
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I still want to know what happened with the guy stalking behind the school in camophlage? They arrested him. Who stalks behind a school dressed like that on the morning of a mass shooting unless they had knowledge of it or participated in it?
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Yet according to the official story Lanza was the sole assassin and armed with only one weapon. Thus if misses and changing the gun's 30-shot magazine at least 6 times are added to the equation Lanza must have been averaging about one shot per second -- extremely skilled use of a single firearm for a young man with absolutely no military training and who was on the verge of being institutionalized
For example, in an era of ubiquitous video surveillance of public buildings especially no visual evidence of Lanza's violent entry has emerged.
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That may be true but that was not the author's main point----although it adds dramatic effect. And the author is invoking the stereotype.. One shot per second--speaks for itself I think. The author says such a performance would require military training. But even with military training such a performance would be extraordinary. Would an average military-trained shooter be capable of that kind of flawless performance?. Would the average shooter who had just shot his mother be capable of that? It would be one thing if Lanza's performance was less professional..
Remember he also had to change the guns magazine 6 times.
Basically you have a young disturbed adolescent performing like a Blackwater mercenary.
I don't find that credible, no matter how many video games he played.
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CE5
(62 posts)The Intelhub is a Ron Paul supporting offshoot created by followers of the Alex Jones show.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)plus you can't read. what kind of burr do you have up your ass?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It might go off when you're not expecting it to.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)that the parents are crisis actors would like to go to Sandy Hook and present their theories to the parents and community in general. It would make for a lively conversation. It will give them a chance to do a little investigative journalism instead of sitting behind their computers.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)had to confront any actual reality, especially the reality that is the aftermath of a tragedy of that magnitude, they would crumble into a pile of rubble. And that rubble would stink.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I don't want these crazy nuts harassing anyone in my state. We have had such a crazy amount of media here to begin with.
EarthWindFire
(84 posts)about this stuff... Absolutely ridiculous.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)That moniker has to do with 9/11, a completely different conspiracy. You are lending this politically created conspiracy an air of honesty with that name. These people belong in the same category as flouride or chemtrail conspirators, politically motivated conspiracies.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)mainer
(12,025 posts)and they would have to defend their views in open debate, instead of hiding behind their computers.
mainer
(12,025 posts)and they're basing it on the fact a 2010 photo of Emilie and a 2012 photo of her sister with Obama shows the "same girl" wearing the same dress.
They don't even stop to think that after two years, a kid wouldn't possibly fit into the same dress and look exactly the same as she did two years earlier.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Two days ago, NBC ran a video in which the reporter said "officials" stated that only handguns were found in the school and the AR15 was found out in Lanza's car after all. That was the original story the day of the shooting, but the next day the medical examiner stated that the wounds were consistent with the ammunition the AR15 uses,
WTF? When the media's not getting its story straight, it plays into the hands of the conspiracy crowd.
Kingofalldems
(38,469 posts)Reads like you are blaming the media for the behavior of gun fetishists.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)A point I can agree with pretty strongly.