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Bandit

(21,475 posts)
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:04 PM Dec 2011

Although I hated Reagan's policies, the man himself was likable, homey, witty, and personable.

Republicans today have no one even close. They are Mean, Spiteful, and Petty and just can't understand why no one likes them...

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Although I hated Reagan's policies, the man himself was likable, homey, witty, and personable. (Original Post) Bandit Dec 2011 OP
UH, I don't think so. givemebackmycountry Dec 2011 #1
Yes that was one of the many positions he and the Republicans took but the man himself Bandit Dec 2011 #4
He was an actor. SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #14
I know what you're saying PatSeg Dec 2011 #40
My impression was that he was soulless NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #2
Just look at any of the Polls ... Cigar11 Dec 2011 #3
He was an actor who was whatever the sufrommich Dec 2011 #5
Actually Newt kind of reminds me of Reagan rurallib Dec 2011 #26
Glib and clueless pretty much covers sufrommich Dec 2011 #47
I thought he was an ignorant ass RainDog Dec 2011 #6
Likable, homey, witty, and personable if you were white, rich or middle class. FSogol Dec 2011 #7
I couldn't bear to watch him. I felt he was ACTING likeable, homey, etc. All surface. Demit Dec 2011 #8
He was a phony and an idiot. I'm sure he had a mean streak, too--otherwise librechik Dec 2011 #9
He creeped me out really bad, like looking into the eyes of a dead rattlesnake. nt Zorra Dec 2011 #10
I have heard the W Drale Dec 2011 #11
Reagan was proof that personality trumps policy. Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #12
Things slow at the other site today? RiffRandell Dec 2011 #20
Which site are you talking about? Sky Masterson Dec 2011 #35
We see things in ways which better validate our own biases... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #37
smarmy asshole, more like it bigtree Dec 2011 #13
Reagan always seemed like a phoney to me. And look at Patti Davis. closeupready Dec 2011 #15
He would give you the shirt off his back, then sign a bill to impoverish millions. immoderate Dec 2011 #16
IIRC it was Tip O'Neill who said that hifiguy Dec 2011 #28
Much requoted, it could have been Sam Donaldson... immoderate Dec 2011 #31
In our house we call that "all frosting-no cake"... n/t SoCalDem Dec 2011 #65
The sound of his voice made me want to puke. Greybnk48 Dec 2011 #17
He was your creepy uncle Ron. Not yours specifically, but GoneOffShore Dec 2011 #18
Creepy. That's the vibe I always got. hunter Dec 2011 #29
He was an actor used in a role. You are mistaking mockery, smarm, gloating, and pestilence Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #19
A wooden spokespuppet for GE, Donald Regan, Poppy and their cronies. HughBeaumont Dec 2011 #21
Reagan's public persona was likable, homey, witty, and personal: indepat Dec 2011 #22
Fuck Reagan. Itchinjim Dec 2011 #23
Reagan was a soulless, vindictive, mean prick. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #24
My parents hated his policies and hated him. RiffRandell Dec 2011 #25
He was creepy, phoney. Hatchling Dec 2011 #27
Sorry, never liked him as a politician or an actor. Lint Head Dec 2011 #30
So was Joseph Goebbels. baldguy Dec 2011 #32
Ghouls and Monsters They_Live Dec 2011 #33
For a drooling idiot with fascist policies he wasn't quite as stupid as a boiled turnip. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #34
Not to me. He came off to me as wooden, patronizing and phony. marmar Dec 2011 #36
I always kind of got the "Weekend at Bernie's" vibe from him smirkymonkey Dec 2011 #46
I always thought he was creepy, kind of oily frazzled Dec 2011 #38
Yeah, but only when he was an actor playing roles as likable, homey, witty and personable. n/t RebelOne Dec 2011 #39
a likeable homey murderer unionworks Dec 2011 #41
...as most morons are. chaska Dec 2011 #42
He Was the Teflon President, Worried senior Dec 2011 #43
You said something nice about Reagan. Prepare to be flamed. Bucky Dec 2011 #44
I was a kid during his era and knew nothing about politics then Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #45
Reagan was like a colony of cockroaches wearing a wrinkly mansuit. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #48
He did try to come across as those things The Genealogist Dec 2011 #49
"He's a drug store truck drivin' man, unionworks Dec 2011 #50
It hurts me to remember these things unionworks Dec 2011 #51
I think he was far more evil than any GOP candidate today. David__77 Dec 2011 #52
I agree, he was a very likable guy quinnox Dec 2011 #53
Many died under Reagan's policies due to AIDS William769 Dec 2011 #54
OK, I need to change fonts. I thought you wrote "horny", darkstar3 Dec 2011 #55
He was professionally trained to present a pleasant personality to the public. Kablooie Dec 2011 #56
"When he laughed, stout senators rolled in the aisles. Hardrada Dec 2011 #57
Was he, though? Not being contrarian, but... Norrin Radd Dec 2011 #58
This says it all... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #59
Thanks quaker bill Dec 2011 #62
Likeable? Witty? tawadi Dec 2011 #60
I did not find him likable quaker bill Dec 2011 #61
Reagan was a dick. n/t cordelia Dec 2011 #63
He was an actor SoCalDem Dec 2011 #64

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
4. Yes that was one of the many positions he and the Republicans took but the man himself
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:12 PM
Dec 2011

was very likeable.. That is why there were so many "Reagan Democrats" He was an expert at telling stories and getting people to laugh. I never once ever heard him be anywhere near as nasty as today's republicans are on a daily basis...He actually liked people and people liked him...

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
40. I know what you're saying
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 05:12 PM
Dec 2011

He was more likeable than this crop of candidates. Being an actor, he evidently knew how to behave before a camera and he used humor to take down his adversaries, so he didn't come across as mean-spirited. FDR did the same thing with a huge smile on his face.

Reagan was a terrible president, but is still remembered fondly by many because he did appear pleasant and likeable. Some say he was soulless, but I don't see that. I think it was more a matter of being clueless, like he didn't live in the real world. Perhaps the presidency was just another movie script for him.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
2. My impression was that he was soulless
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:10 PM
Dec 2011

His eyes reminded me of the dead eyes of a shark.

Don

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
26. Actually Newt kind of reminds me of Reagan
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:46 PM
Dec 2011

Glib, glib, glib without an ounce of morality. Totally soulless and clueless.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
6. I thought he was an ignorant ass
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:13 PM
Dec 2011

who, like Bush, was the face for a nasty, regressive right wing economic attack on American citizens.

I wanted to slap the shit out of him whenever I saw him on teevee. I detested the man.

FSogol

(47,623 posts)
7. Likable, homey, witty, and personable if you were white, rich or middle class.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:16 PM
Dec 2011

Reagan =

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
8. I couldn't bear to watch him. I felt he was ACTING likeable, homey, etc. All surface.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:16 PM
Dec 2011

The media not only let him get away with it, they EXCUSED themselves for it, by giving him the name 'the Teflon president', so they'd never have to blame him for anything.

librechik

(30,957 posts)
9. He was a phony and an idiot. I'm sure he had a mean streak, too--otherwise
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:16 PM
Dec 2011

why fire all the air traffic controllers to save money and ignore passenger safety? Why send his goons to torture and murder in Central America? Why cheat on the election?

God, he was an evil evil evil man, you just didn't know him personally. I'm sure he was a great actor with a sincere handshake and a pat on the back. Jim Jones was good at that too.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
11. I have heard the W
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:17 PM
Dec 2011

was a pretty nice guy, but that doesn't override the fact that he's the third most evil person since Mao died. The first being Chaney, the most evil person alive today, the second being Reagan, and then theres W.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
12. Reagan was proof that personality trumps policy.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:18 PM
Dec 2011

People vote for who they like. Obama was more likeable than McCain.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
37. We see things in ways which better validate our own biases...
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:53 PM
Dec 2011

We see things in ways which better validate our own biases...

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. Reagan always seemed like a phoney to me. And look at Patti Davis.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:23 PM
Dec 2011

What kind of father raises a daughter who behaves as she did when that father is PotUS?

So I would disagree that he seemed likable or personable.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
16. He would give you the shirt off his back, then sign a bill to impoverish millions.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:23 PM
Dec 2011

I don't remember who I'm paraphrasing here.

Though I liked his movies as a kid, he became a distasteful figure. His "gift for gab" became an annoyance, because there was nothing of substance behind it.


--imm

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. IIRC it was Tip O'Neill who said that
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:01 PM
Dec 2011

and he was, in all likelihood, correct. O'Neill was as shrewd a judge of people and politics as anyone I can remember.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
31. Much requoted, it could have been Sam Donaldson...
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:20 PM
Dec 2011

I tracked it down. It didn't strike me as something Tip would say (out loud. I'm not often this obsessive. Here he is quoting himself.

“I used to say I thought if you were down on your luck and you got through the Secret Service, got in the Oval Office and said, ‘Mr. President, I’m down on my luck,’ he would literally give you the shirt off his back. And then he’d sit down in his undershirt and he’d sign legislation throwing your kids off school lunch program, maybe your parents off Social Security, and of course the Welfare Queen off of welfare.”
– ABC’s Sam Donaldson, who covered the White House during the 1980s, on Good Morning America, June 11, 2004. [MP3 Audio]

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/02/01/rewriting-ronald-reagan-attacks-reagan-man#ixzz1gdVCeheN


The "undershirt" part rings a bell, so I'm pretty sure that's the way I heard it originally.


--imm

GoneOffShore

(18,020 posts)
18. He was your creepy uncle Ron. Not yours specifically, but
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:28 PM
Dec 2011

The epitome of that weird relative that every family has.

hunter

(40,689 posts)
29. Creepy. That's the vibe I always got.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:05 PM
Dec 2011

And then after Hinckley shot him and the Alzheimer's was raging, empty.

I saw him at a public appearance during his second term when he clearly didn't know where he was or what he was doing there. He was a sad lost old man trying to keep up appearances.

But the TV news and local press managed to grab a few nice sound bites that made him look like he was still in charge. After his mind got foggy he still retained some acting skills

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
19. He was an actor used in a role. You are mistaking mockery, smarm, gloating, and pestilence
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:32 PM
Dec 2011

for "likable, homey, witty, and personable".

His Contra apology speech contained not one apology, but rather a dire chain of mockery and platitude.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
21. A wooden spokespuppet for GE, Donald Regan, Poppy and their cronies.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:38 PM
Dec 2011

Had a knack for conveying "Get ready for the Big White Wealthy Fist" to the bigots, young conservatives, drooler hardhats and Phyllis Schlafly wannabes in the nicest way possible.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
22. Reagan's public persona was likable, homey, witty, and personal:
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:39 PM
Dec 2011

his works (wholesale firing of traffic controllers, making the Federal income tax code highly regressive, Iran-Contra, et al, ad infinitum) define the man himself imo.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
24. Reagan was a soulless, vindictive, mean prick.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:41 PM
Dec 2011

He is currently making me happy, however, at his permanent residence.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
25. My parents hated his policies and hated him.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:46 PM
Dec 2011

Hate to use the word hate, but I grew up as a teenager in the eighties and grew up watching Bonzo going to Bitburg, my father, who is a chemist, losing his job after his plant closed and not being able to get a job with health insurance after having angioplasty, my sister having problems getting a student loan, all of Carter's environmental policies being ground to shit....oh yeah...and forget about the poor and gays. That's when I knew I was liberal.

I love my parents so much as they informed me to current events growing up. It made me who I am.

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
27. He was creepy, phoney.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:55 PM
Dec 2011

False smile, dead eyes. The first of the puppet Presidents, but unfortunatly not the last.

(shudder)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
46. I always kind of got the "Weekend at Bernie's" vibe from him
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 06:32 PM
Dec 2011

He just looked kind of enbalmed and waxen, and it was like a ventriloquist was responsible for his speeches. Also, he was just a dickhead in sheep's clothing, to put it plainly.

Didn't he also shut down all the state mental institutions, releasing the mentally ill - some with no family and without the inability to take care of them selves - out on to the streets? How cruel can you be to pull the rug out from under some of society's most vulnerable members.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
38. I always thought he was creepy, kind of oily
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:56 PM
Dec 2011

And I completely never understood the "golden-tongued orator" moniker that was always applied to him. He always seemed either (a) corny or (b) half-intelligble. This had nothing to do with the fact that I disagreed with him; I can handle that, and distinguish it from people's personalities.

But then, we all have our own tastes, I guess.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
39. Yeah, but only when he was an actor playing roles as likable, homey, witty and personable. n/t
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:58 PM
Dec 2011

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
43. He Was the Teflon President,
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 05:41 PM
Dec 2011

I was not one of the stupid democrats that voted for him, thank goodness.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
44. You said something nice about Reagan. Prepare to be flamed.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 05:58 PM
Dec 2011

I never saw it myself, but I know a lot of people were taken in. I agree with your larger point, that the current crop of nutballs are unpleasant and smarmy in comparison. I think Reagan only looks good in comparison to them. His dishonest "welfare queen" anecdotes played to peoples' worst prejudices. The ugliness in the 2012 candidates is a natural evolutionary result set in motion by the aloof misanthropy of Reagan's public persona.

And because their leaders have gotten meaner, the Republican Party's rank and file have gotten meaner in the last 30 years as well. He might've been charming in person, but my charm detector was always thrown out of wack by my proximity to the harms caused by his politics. I wasn't willing to see his charm.

Of all today's leading Republicans, I consider Mike Huckabee the most dangerous, because he's the one who talks intead of pontificating. I think he's the Gipper's natural heir; he's the one who can slap on a big friendly smile while cutting off funding to anti-poverty programs.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
45. I was a kid during his era and knew nothing about politics then
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 06:29 PM
Dec 2011

but I did like what I saw and heard on the TV

 

a simple pattern

(608 posts)
48. Reagan was like a colony of cockroaches wearing a wrinkly mansuit.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 07:15 PM
Dec 2011

Why would you want to lick him?

The Genealogist

(4,739 posts)
49. He did try to come across as those things
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 07:37 PM
Dec 2011

I think he wanted to appear all grandfatherly, and he did try. Lurking beneath that micron-thin shell of kindly appearances was an evil man whose goal was to create and transfer wealth to the rich on the backs of working-class, poor, sick and elderly people.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
50. "He's a drug store truck drivin' man,
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:15 PM
Dec 2011

He's the head of the ku-klux-klan..." was that Joan Baez at Woodstock?

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
51. It hurts me to remember these things
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:17 PM
Dec 2011

....because his son is a wonderful human being. Let the dead rest.

David__77

(24,728 posts)
52. I think he was far more evil than any GOP candidate today.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:00 AM
Dec 2011

He was a genuine piece of human scum.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
53. I agree, he was a very likable guy
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:02 AM
Dec 2011

He did give that "good feeling" about America when he was president. I was a kid at the time so didn't really pay attention to the real politics.

darkstar3

(8,763 posts)
55. OK, I need to change fonts. I thought you wrote "horny",
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:03 AM
Dec 2011

and "I think I see a fluffy puff nibblet" in my keyboard.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
56. He was professionally trained to present a pleasant personality to the public.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:13 AM
Dec 2011

Many of you were so inflamed by his politics that you overlooked his image building ability but most people didn't.
He seemed pleasant and humerous to most people.

 

Hardrada

(10,918 posts)
57. "When he laughed, stout senators rolled in the aisles.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:23 AM
Dec 2011

When he cried little children died in the street."

Norrin Radd

(4,959 posts)
58. Was he, though? Not being contrarian, but...
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:32 AM
Dec 2011

he seemed affable enough on TV, but I was in elementary school, and then junior high, during his Presidential terms. Recently, though, I watched the documentary "Berkeley in the Sixties," and he comes across as a grouchy, hateful asshole in the clips of him, from when he was Governor.

tawadi

(2,110 posts)
60. Likeable? Witty?
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:54 AM
Dec 2011

I didn't see that in the man.

"Reagan was reluctant even to acknowledge the grandeur of the trees. Of one of the oldest and loveliest groves of redwoods, he said (on 15 March 1967), "I saw them; there is nothing beautiful about them, just that they are a little higher than the others..."


Regan was the beginning of the conservative renaissance. Things have never been the same in our country. I, for one, do not look back upon his presidency with the least amount of fondness.

quaker bill

(8,264 posts)
61. I did not find him likable
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:39 AM
Dec 2011

but that was the image he projected. It worked for selling borax too.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
64. He was an actor
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:53 AM
Dec 2011

He played a part

GHWB (Mr CIA) ran the show

Reagan had Alzheimers long before he left office

He knew how to deliver lines & smile for the camera

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