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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:02 PM Jan 2013

Man left baby in car for 8 hours (he's ok) outside work. Didn't realize until wife called

NY dad forgets baby in car for 8 hours on cold day


COLONIE, N.Y. (AP) — Authorities say a New York man who left his 1-year-old son in his car for eight hours in frigid weather only realized his mistake after a call from his wife.

Police in the Albany suburb of Colonie say the man forgot to drop off his son at day care and left the child strapped in the back seat of the car when he parked outside his office Thursday morning.

Officials say the man received a call from his wife at about 4 p.m. inquiring about their child. He called for an ambulance and the boy was checked out at a hospital and released. Police say the baby didn't suffer any injuries despite temperatures that didn't top 15 degrees.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/NY-dad-forgets-baby-in-car-for-8-hours-on-cold-day-4223057.php#ixzz2J1GQh6LU

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Man left baby in car for 8 hours (he's ok) outside work. Didn't realize until wife called (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 OP
I feel bad for the baby ...for it has an asshole irresponsible dad ... srican69 Jan 2013 #1
He is irresponsible, and I'm not looking to reward him for his choice to seek medical care, but you Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #3
As a parent who once had infants, I can understand why these tragedies occur. yardwork Jan 2013 #35
Autopilot is the word I was thinking. Courtesy Flush Jan 2013 #83
Yes, that's it exactly. yardwork Jan 2013 #94
Yes, or a campaign to always check for the kid or something treestar Jan 2013 #90
I agree, something could be invented and installed in all cars. yardwork Jan 2013 #95
People make mistakes, Bet you do to. Sure he feels bad enough. n-t Logical Jan 2013 #50
He isn't an asshole obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #65
Maybe the baby-in-the-back-seat rule marybourg Jan 2013 #2
Far more car accidents customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #34
I tend to cut parents of infants a lot of slack Warpy Jan 2013 #4
i do too. seabeyond Jan 2013 #9
And real neglect, with the kid freezing to death Warpy Jan 2013 #30
and my heart breaks, when everything isnt fine. a couple years ago, seabeyond Jan 2013 #31
It's so discouraging that these threads so often end up as monuments of (self)righteousness alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #11
+1000 n/t trotsky Jan 2013 #19
maybe it's a defense mechanism. We need to believe we'd never allow ourselves to make that mistake. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #32
So true. Many idiots on the DU act like they never could bever make a serious mistake. n-t Logical Jan 2013 #51
Me too. Have my own story. alphafemale Jan 2013 #28
I've done that before. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #88
I understand too d_r Jan 2013 #53
I have dogs. I can see how this happens. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #71
That sounds too much like common, rational thinking LOVE IT nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2013 #87
Phew! abelenkpe Jan 2013 #5
Someone should invent a beeper LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #6
They have then, but they say they don't work that well. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #7
Then they need to come up with a better one LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #8
I had an idea for this a while back... Javaman Jan 2013 #21
They were invented long ago. Nobody wants the liability. Xithras Jan 2013 #61
that would be one diaper I would regret.... Evasporque Jan 2013 #10
Our daycare calls us when there's an unexplained absence alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #12
good backup support from the daycare Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #15
Answers thus far are WAY too tame for this kind of nincompoopery! MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #13
Interesting comment JanMichael Jan 2013 #16
Well thanks for the article, but it does nothing to present any "reason" this happens... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #17
so, you didn't read the entire article, did you JanMichael Jan 2013 #23
I did read it... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #40
The article explains what you are saying it doesn't obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #68
you need to read the article. When we are stressed out/tired & routines are breached our higher KittyWampus Jan 2013 #37
Yes... so.... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #41
There is a reason why courts don't convict parents who do this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #70
LOL, I love all the perfect people here. I bet you are a joy to be around. n-t Logical Jan 2013 #52
Actually, I am... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #57
It happens quite a bit, by very responsible people obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #67
The Washington Post had a Pulitzer Prize Winning story on these kinds of incidents charlie and algernon Jan 2013 #14
Your warning was correct. trotsky Jan 2013 #20
Every single person responding to this post needs to read that article ALL the way JanMichael Jan 2013 #25
Here is the snip that really drives it home: trotsky Jan 2013 #26
That's exactly the quote and part of the article JanMichael Jan 2013 #49
Yes, that's a good quote from the article. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #63
I agree DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #62
imagine that phone call Enrique Jan 2013 #18
Sleep deprivation can mess with your brain. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #22
Damn! I'm glad the baby is okay! Cha Jan 2013 #24
It is easy. I remember jumping in a car with my convulsing infant in my arms. As my husband appleannie1 Jan 2013 #59
This was such a huge fear for me when I was younger gollygee Jan 2013 #27
Oh, my... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #43
What do you think was terribly, terribly, terribly wrong? (Other than of course forgetting baby) gollygee Jan 2013 #44
Forgetting a baby is in the back seat of your car... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #45
No, it really is just forgetfulness gollygee Jan 2013 #46
Thanks for the warning... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #47
You are mighty cocky sounding JanMichael Jan 2013 #48
Look, I'm as apt to have this problem as you are. Maybe I'm not clear on this... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #55
Skinner had an interesting post in another thread a while back on the same thing.. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #60
And, I can agree on that being said... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #64
Here's a piece by someone who *almost* killed their child Fumesucker Jan 2013 #92
Nope, nothing abnormal, and you could do it, too obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #74
I never said I couldn't MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #85
The point is, nothing IS terribly, terribly wrong obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #73
There is no argument there... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #86
So wait.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #79
My pass card for work was in my purse gollygee Jan 2013 #93
That kid must have had an awesome coat & good boots! catbyte Jan 2013 #29
It it was sunny, passive heat would have kept the car decently warm obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #76
If this had been in summer, likely a different ending. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #33
Aw that poor baby rickjliberal1946sef Jan 2013 #36
his monster of a dad is no different than you or i.. frylock Jan 2013 #42
Shades of the old days - there were many children left in cars years ago or at home alone. The laws jwirr Jan 2013 #38
That did not happen in this case. nt Walk away Jan 2013 #56
Read: Frazzled parent who works too many hours for too little pay bc of profit predators LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #39
Thank goodness everything is alright. I'm sure this poor man will punish himself... Walk away Jan 2013 #54
Yes, I agree... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #58
There is no problem obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #77
What gives you the confidence of saying there is no problem with this kind of memory failure? MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #84
If it was sunny, the car may have been decently warm obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #66
What idiot could forget their OWN BABY in a car? Odin2005 Jan 2013 #69
It could happen to anyone. smokey nj Jan 2013 #75
Lucky.ass.parents. Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #72
Just getting the baby up, fed, ready, out the door, strapped in; along with the other demands of the NBachers Jan 2013 #78
70+ years ago, when I was a baby (and even when I had my babies) marybourg Jan 2013 #80
The Washington Post article is very sad, but also very instructive. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #81
What side of car was carseat in? - back passenger side or back driver side benld74 Jan 2013 #82
Thank the goddess it wasn't summer treestar Jan 2013 #89
Two words: SLEEP DEPRIVATION. Brigid Jan 2013 #91

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
3. He is irresponsible, and I'm not looking to reward him for his choice to seek medical care, but you
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jan 2013

know, sometimes stupid ship happens. "He called for an ambulance and the boy was checked out at a hospital and released." He could have probably not called the ambulance, but once he realized his mistake, I'm betting was mortified, but he sacked up and did the right thing. Nobody was worse for the wear and I'm betting it never happens again. I'm sure he's beating himself up more than we should be allowed to.

yardwork

(69,304 posts)
35. As a parent who once had infants, I can understand why these tragedies occur.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jan 2013

The babies are asleep in the back in their car seats. It would be very easy to forget that the baby is there. I know that this sounds odd, but it's true. People go on autopilot and do their usual routine, drive to work, forget to drop off the baby. They're silent. They're asleep.

It's very fortunate that this time it didn't end in tragedy. It always does on hot days. Every summer we read about these tragedies and every time the parents are blamed for being irresponsible. I suspect that many of the parents commit suicide.

Maybe some kind of alarm could be put in cars to warn people that a living being is in the car before they lock up.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
83. Autopilot is the word I was thinking.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jan 2013

I've caught myself driving halfway to work on a weekend when I was supposed to be running an errand in the opposite direction.

My guess is that mom always takes the baby to day care, but couldn't on this day.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
90. Yes, or a campaign to always check for the kid or something
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jan 2013

Some kind of reminder - cars these days have so many gadgets, surely something can be invented.

yardwork

(69,304 posts)
95. I agree, something could be invented and installed in all cars.
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:34 AM
Jan 2013

It would be worth it to save these lives. As long as people are determined to assume that the parents are irresponsible and that this could never happen to "normal" people, nothing will be done.

In a way the issue encapsulates what is wrong with our country. No empathy. No humanity. We're all cogs in the Wall Street machine. The strong trample the weak. Woe betide anybody who falls down. They'll be destroyed.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
65. He isn't an asshole
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jan 2013

The prevalence of these incidents by very responsible people shows that.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
34. Far more car accidents
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jan 2013

than absent minded parental units. I believe the back seat rule protects many more lives than it risks.

Warpy

(114,584 posts)
4. I tend to cut parents of infants a lot of slack
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:13 PM
Jan 2013

because so many of them are up during the night with a screaming baby. I'm surprised more kids aren't left in cars, I've watched too many parents stumble through workdays on no sleep.

This kid was likely dressed in pounds of winter clothing and was fine, albeit hungry and with a full diaper.

It's summer that kills.

I doubt that no matter how exhausted he is, the dad isn't going to do this one again. In any case, the fact that he called the ambulance first and met them at the car shows he's a caring dad.

He was likely near comatose from lack of sleep.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. i do too.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

and i am a strong child advocate. and i do too.

there is a difference between this, and purposeful with intent.

Warpy

(114,584 posts)
30. And real neglect, with the kid freezing to death
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jan 2013

because the parents are in a bar and didn't bother to dress him properly for the weather. We get a few of those cases around here every winter.

This was just a frazzled new dad and there's nothing to see here, the baby was just fine because they had cared enough to bundle him up properly.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. and my heart breaks, when everything isnt fine. a couple years ago,
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

a cousin who was an older parent. he and the mother waited years to have a baby. the baby, working on 2, was in the fenced front yard. the dad was taking off with dogs and was missing with them. the mother ran into the house to get a soda. 1-2 minutes. and... the gate was unhooked.

everything unusual happened in that 1-2 minutes. the father backed out thinking the baby was fenced in with mom. mom thinking gate locked. the father ran over his child.

he got out of truck to see what was up, and that is what he found.

horrible, horrible. and the end of the world for those two. just a do over of those couple of minutes.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
11. It's so discouraging that these threads so often end up as monuments of (self)righteousness
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jan 2013

I'm with you - with one of my babies having been just unmanagable scream-wise for several months, I always feel for these parents more than feel like chastising them - it's a "there but for the grace..etc...go I" sort of feeling.

Of course, I wouldn't presume to speak to the very special among us who couldn't even contemplate this happening to them, because they're so awesome. I'll leave the righteous elite to flog this poor guy down thread.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
32. maybe it's a defense mechanism. We need to believe we'd never allow ourselves to make that mistake.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
51. So true. Many idiots on the DU act like they never could bever make a serious mistake. n-t
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jan 2013
 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
28. Me too. Have my own story.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:45 PM
Jan 2013

When my kids were small...preschool daughter _ infant son. Their dad and I daily switched car seats between vehicles. He came in one night and just put the carseat in without fastening it. And in the morning I didn't check.

First turn of significance and the carseat tumbles over and the baby is upside down in the floorwell. His sister is having a fit. "You fallded my Brother! You falded my Brother!"

Carseat did its job and he was scratchless.

But I was still very pissed.

With modern technology there should be a way to prevent this sort of thing. Even not technology. A baby hasn't been dropped off. A call could be made.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
88. I've done that before.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jan 2013

My ex doesn't have his own carseat for our youngest and he'd want mine when he'd pick her up for his weekends. Knowing that if I made him buy one, he'd buy the cheapest piece of crap possible and install it incorrectly, I would install it and everything for him and then take it out when he came back. One time after he returned the kids, one of the kids needed something and I just placed the carseat where it normally goes and made a mental note to install it the next morning before I took her to daycare. The next morning was unusually hectic with multiple screaming kids (I have 4 total) and I drove my dd to her daycare and then I went to school. When I was getting my bags out of the back, I clipped the seat and it tumbled out of the vehicle. With horror, I realized I had been driving my dd around that morning with an uninstalled seat.

I've also forgotten to buckle her up occasionally, but usually she screams at me, now that she is old enough.

I remember having tiny, colicky babies and no sleep. I can only imagine how hard it would've been if I would've had to work full time and take them to daycare when they were that young....

I agree there should be some kind of verification system at daycares, just like at schools. I'm lucky enough to have a personal friendship with my daughter's daycare provider and she usually calls me if I'm a bit late, just to make sure.

d_r

(6,908 posts)
53. I understand too
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jan 2013

No sleep and on autopilot, thank goodness for a happy ending, so clos to a tradgedy. I can't imagine his pqnic when he realized.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
71. I have dogs. I can see how this happens.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jan 2013

I love my dogs. I mean I LOVE my dogs. But the other night I was so tired from having worked really long hours, I nestled in bed to watch tv after work, after letting both dogs out and one dog back in - the other one wanted to stay outside because it was a pretty day. I accidentally and promptly dropped off to sleep. I woke up in the middle of the night, saw my one dog, and realized....where's Rosie? OMG. I'd left her out all afternoon, evening, and half the night!

Another time I drove up to my house after work and saw that I had left my front door wide open when I had left for work that morning! I had a glass storm door that was shut, but it doesn't lock, and the wooden door was open.

Of course a baby is much more important than dogs or a house, but I can see how this happens, since I've done similar things myself. Thank God the little fella was okay. I bet that man is just kicking himself and destroying himself with guilt...and they'll come up with a system for that to never happen again.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
6. Someone should invent a beeper
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jan 2013

that goes off when you start exiting the vehicle and the car seat is still occupied.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
8. Then they need to come up with a better one
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

Thanks for posting that.

If I so much as put a bag of groceries or a small (16 pounds) dog in the passenger seat of my car, the seatbelt beeper goes crazy. It should be possible to transfer that technology to a car seat.

Javaman

(65,676 posts)
21. I had an idea for this a while back...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jan 2013

It would work with the alarm system in your car.

If you don't remove the child from the seat, the car doors won't lock.

I simple pressure trigger under the child keeps it armed and in sink with the alarm on the car.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
61. They were invented long ago. Nobody wants the liability.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jan 2013

It's impossible to build a piece of technology that is 100% reliable, and the first time one fails and a kid dies, the kids parents will OWN the company. If you build and market a technology with the specific promise that it will save forgotten babies from locked cars, and a baby dies because that technology fails to work, the liability would be staggering. The odds that ONE will eventually fail to work are pretty much 100%. A battery will fail. A baby bottle or leaky diaper will soak the electronics. Something, somewhere will eventually go wrong, and one will fail to work...and that kids parents will sue (and win).

No major manufacturer or retailer wants that liability. You CAN buy one from small companies over the Internet, but few people bother.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
13. Answers thus far are WAY too tame for this kind of nincompoopery!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jan 2013

Jesus H. Christ...

I wouldn't cut this man any slack at ALL. What a complete lunatic asshole!

NO ONE who is able to report to work can be so disconnected from their 1 year old child, that they would leave this situation without at least thinking about it within the next ten minutes. ARE YOU KIDDING?

I hope the wife documents this somewhere, cause summer's coming, baby!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
17. Well thanks for the article, but it does nothing to present any "reason" this happens...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

Some things DO go out of your mind. But, the brain has an order of priority that is supposed to be functioning. The actions taken by any of the people in that article or this guys are not the result of a functional brain.

It may be a function of sleep deprivation, which is pathology.
It may be a function of post traumatic stress (same)
Also, result of pharmacology...

It is not a healthy functioning brain that lets this routine go unchecked. Uh-uh, now...

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
23. so, you didn't read the entire article, did you
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jan 2013

it addresses exactly what you are making fun of.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
37. you need to read the article. When we are stressed out/tired & routines are breached our higher
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jan 2013

brain functions don't work properly.

This is a symptom of a society that is stressed out, over worked, over tired with not enough of a familial or social support systems for parents.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
41. Yes... so....
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jan 2013

That's a pathology, isn't it?

And yet, no one in the thread seemed to think so!

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
70. There is a reason why courts don't convict parents who do this
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jan 2013

Because there is no malicious intent

Because it wasn't done on purpose.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
67. It happens quite a bit, by very responsible people
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jan 2013

Especially if the routine has been changed.

I'm glad it was winter and not summer, so there was a happy ending.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
14. The Washington Post had a Pulitzer Prize Winning story on these kinds of incidents
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:36 PM
Jan 2013
Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime?

The defendant was an immense man, well over 300 pounds, but in the gravity of his sorrow and shame he seemed larger still. He hunched forward in the sturdy wooden armchair that barely contained him, sobbing softly into tissue after tissue, a leg bouncing nervously under the table. In the first pew of spectators sat his wife, looking stricken, absently twisting her wedding band. The room was a sepulcher. Witnesses spoke softly of events so painful that many lost their composure. When a hospital emergency room nurse described how the defendant had behaved after the police first brought him in, she wept. He was virtually catatonic, she remembered, his eyes shut tight, rocking back and forth, locked away in some unfathomable private torment. He would not speak at all for the longest time, not until the nurse sank down beside him and held his hand. It was only then that the patient began to open up, and what he said was that he didn't want any sedation, that he didn't deserve a respite from pain, that he wanted to feel it all, and then to die.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549.html

You will cry several times while reading this article.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
25. Every single person responding to this post needs to read that article ALL the way
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jan 2013

through. It was an eye opener for me; I am horrified, and saddened.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
26. Here is the snip that really drives it home:
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jan 2013
Humans, Hickling said, have a fundamental need to create and maintain a narrative for their lives in which the universe is not implacable and heartless, that terrible things do not happen at random, and that catastrophe can be avoided if you are vigilant and responsible.

In hyperthermia cases, he believes, the parents are demonized for much the same reasons. "We are vulnerable, but we don't want to be reminded of that. We want to believe that the world is understandable and controllable and unthreatening, that if we follow the rules, we'll be okay. So, when this kind of thing happens to other people, we need to put them in a different category from us. We don't want to resemble them, and the fact that we might is too terrifying to deal with. So, they have to be monsters."

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
49. That's exactly the quote and part of the article
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jan 2013

I was referring to above. God, those stories were just heart rending.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
22. Sleep deprivation can mess with your brain.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

Don't jump to conclusions about this. The guy isn't automatically an asshole.

Cha

(318,812 posts)
24. Damn! I'm glad the baby is okay!
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jan 2013

I used to live near Albany.. and 15 degrees? that's too damn cold.. baby must have been wrapped up pretty good.

How the hell could you forget your baby? It's too weird.

appleannie1

(5,454 posts)
59. It is easy. I remember jumping in a car with my convulsing infant in my arms. As my husband
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jan 2013

started the car a neighbor's son stuck his head in the window and said "I will watch your little boy for you". I looked up and our 2 year old was standing on the porch. We had both forgotten him.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
27. This was such a huge fear for me when I was younger
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jan 2013

I'm forgetful and I could see me doing this. I started putting my purse in the back seat by the baby seat so I'd have to open that door.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
43. Oh, my...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jan 2013

Forgetful is one thing... we all are.

At least, in the event you might fear, you've done something to make your thought routine better.

I think I understand what people mostly are saying here. All of us ARE capable of forgetting, but when it comes to the degree of what these articles put out to the public, this is a cry that something is terribly, terribly, terribly wrong.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
44. What do you think was terribly, terribly, terribly wrong? (Other than of course forgetting baby)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jan 2013

As you said forgetting the baby is a sign that something is terribly, terribly, terribly wrong - that means something else must have been wrong.

You get out of your routine and forget to do something. A sleeping baby in the back seat makes no noise. The fact that it is very important that you not forget the baby in the backseat doesn't mean you're more likely to not forget that than something that is not important. That's not how forgetfulness works.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
45. Forgetting a baby is in the back seat of your car...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jan 2013

is not just "forgetful".... it's pathologically forgetful.

It means your brain doesn't function the way it should. When the brain is dysfunctional, I'm gonna bet it's a sick brain.

It could be sick due to a myriad of things that have mentioned here. Sleep deprivation is one, enormous stress is another, chemical mediation (who the hell knows whether some medication alters brain function, start with an EEG to figure that one), or a combination of these things.

It's not just "forgetfulness".

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
46. No, it really is just forgetfulness
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jan 2013

To forget something is unrelated to how important it is that you not forget it.

People like to think that there is something crazy or pathological going on because they hate to think it could happen to them, but this is something that could happen to anyone. My brain works the way it should, but I could very easily see myself forgetting this. I've forgotten enough other things that I absolutely could have kept a kid in the back of the car. And my brain is not dysfunctional or sick.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. Thanks for the warning...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jan 2013

I disagree and unless you've got some based reason to say otherwise, I suggest you never travel with anyone who is defenseless.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
48. You are mighty cocky sounding
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jan 2013

I hope you aren't that way in person; my experience has always been that the cockiest folks are the ones that have the worst time emotionally when something bad does happen to them. You are not immune from human mistakes.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
55. Look, I'm as apt to have this problem as you are. Maybe I'm not clear on this...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jan 2013

It's not cocky to stand your ground on what you think is right, if anything I'm being argumentative. So, if I argue that "forgetfulness" is all that happened in the situation where the guy leaves his 1 yr old in the car that long and doesn't remember not dropping him off at day care, I'm going to stand my ground on the argument that HIS forgetfulness not normal.

Sure, it could happen. The articles make it painfully obvious that it has. The fact that it DOES happen means to me that the degree of which one "forgets" was NOT a normal one, it was abnormal.

Please don't make this about me. I mean no harm. I'm capable of being cocky, but I wasn't trying to be here. I'm telling you and others that I don't think this "forgetfulness" is normal, I think it's pathological.

Pathological doesn't mean that it's never going to get better, it means that it had better get better, cause it ain't normal.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
60. Skinner had an interesting post in another thread a while back on the same thing..
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002645828#post127


To the people in this thread who are pointing the finger:

If you have children, I think you might be wise to spend a little more time thinking on this tragedy.

I think it is safe to assume that this type of tragic accident is MORE likely to happen if a parent is absolutely certain it will not.

A little doubt, a little fear, a little uncertainty about whether this could happen to you might be the difference between life and death.

I, for one, am very glad I saw this thread. It has made me think about whether something like this could happen to me.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
64. And, I can agree on that being said...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jan 2013

Yet, to recognize that something is wrong at that point and most important to resolve is the best way to address it.

To be mindful that it could happen to you is related more to apprehension or fear, but to examine to see what can be done to avoid it altogether is the ultimate best you can do... because, doing what you can to avoid the misfiring of neurons across the synaptic cleft is better than simply realizing it can happen. It happens for a reason.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
92. Here's a piece by someone who *almost* killed their child
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:07 AM
Jan 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-child-dies-in-a-hot-car-and-gene-weingarten-asks-why-was-this-a-crime/2012/03/14/gIQAXm01ES_story.html

It was stifling hot on the summer morning 29 years ago when I almost murdered my daughter.

“Murder” is an unforgiving term for what nearly happened that day, but to prosecutors in Prince William County, it is appropriate. That was the charge they brought last year against Bristow veterinarianKaren Murphy, whose 2-year-old, Ryan, did not do what my 2-year-old, Molly, did on the day I almost killed her: wake up at the last minute and say something.

So I didn’t park and lock my car and head into my office that morning, as Murphy did last June 17. Instead, after steadying my nerves against the knowledge of what I’d almost done, I drove my daughter to day care, as I’d meant to do before I somehow — inexplicably, inexcusably — forgot that she was sitting in the back seat.

For her grievous mistake, Murphy faced a possible 40 years in prison on a charge of felony murder. Just before her trial this past week, as she quietly wept in court, the 41-year-old veterinarian was permitted to plead guilty to reduced charges of misdemeanor child neglect. She won’t go to prison. She won’t lose her medical license. All she faces is 400 hours of community service, six years of probation, and a lifetime of grief and shame that will sabotage joy whenever that emotion dares to surface. That is what happens in these cases. I know. I have studied them.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
74. Nope, nothing abnormal, and you could do it, too
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jan 2013

All of us could. And, yes, you could. Saying you couldn't proves the point of the studies linked upthread.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
85. I never said I couldn't
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jan 2013

I'm sorry that a reasoned argument over memory, cognitive impairment makes you say things like that, but that doesn't mean that this is normal brain function.

And, for the umpteenth time, "all of us could" is in the vein of what I am saying.

That kind of memory lapse is not normal.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
73. The point is, nothing IS terribly, terribly wrong
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jan 2013

The point is, any of us could do this. Even you. Your saying you wouldn't do this, proves the point of the studies linked above. ALL OF US could do this.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
86. There is no argument there...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:40 PM
Jan 2013

You perhaps did not read what I said.

To the contrary, I've been saying we all can do this, but TO do this is not normal cognitive function. Something is impairing the function of memory.

Maybe later you'll look into it, but stick to the facts, meanwhile.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
93. My pass card for work was in my purse
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:10 AM
Jan 2013

so I wouldn't get in the building, and I'd have to go back to the car anyway.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
76. It it was sunny, passive heat would have kept the car decently warm
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jan 2013

Enough so, if the baby was all toasty in good clothes and boots, like you said.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
42. his monster of a dad is no different than you or i..
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jan 2013

ever forgotten your wallet or keys? this could just as easily happen to you, and you if you think you're immune, then you are gravely mistaken. read the article that's been posted in this thread before passing judgment.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
38. Shades of the old days - there were many children left in cars years ago or at home alone. The laws
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jan 2013

we have today make a real difference now. It was not uncommon to find children in the car outside a bar or other place that adults could go into but children were not allowed. The home alone was more often working mothers who could not afford day care or had none available.

Here in our area we have a child who was left in the car while she was gambling at a casino. No excuse for that.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
39. Read: Frazzled parent who works too many hours for too little pay bc of profit predators
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jan 2013

does something unconscionable.

I can see how this would happen in today's "work three jobs while you're sick" environment.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
54. Thank goodness everything is alright. I'm sure this poor man will punish himself...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jan 2013

for the rest of his life about it. Now that I'm in my fifties I am even more empathetic. I write everything down and count the dogs in and out of the house every time I open the door. Something like that could happen to anyone.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
58. Yes, I agree...
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jan 2013

Actually I was wrong with my first comment, "lunatic asshole" upthread. But, he was something else, and it was NOT normal, and now... my God, he'll be pretty guilty.

But, maybe he'll be put in the direction of finding out what the problem was and correct it. In a very strange way, it's a gift.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
77. There is no problem
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jan 2013

As you keep being told in this thread, along with links to articles and studies.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
84. What gives you the confidence of saying there is no problem with this kind of memory failure?
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jan 2013

The only persons who "keep telling me" are those who think the articles support their ideology over this kind of thing.

I go with the only thing I can, which is a reasoned understanding, albeit non-physician, non-the-less physiologic level of what kind of cognitive impairment we can all have. Again, I named how stress, sleep deprivation and pharmaceutic industries can contribute to.

There is a problem.

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
66. If it was sunny, the car may have been decently warm
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

And, the baby was bundled up. He was probably more hungry and wet. Glad it ended well.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
75. It could happen to anyone.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jan 2013

Read this article. Seriously.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549.html

The wealthy do, it turns out. And the poor, and the middle class. Parents of all ages and ethnicities do it. Mothers are just as likely to do it as fathers. It happens to the chronically absent-minded and to the fanatically organized, to the college-educated and to the marginally literate. In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist.

NBachers

(19,421 posts)
78. Just getting the baby up, fed, ready, out the door, strapped in; along with the other demands of the
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jan 2013

day, can frazzle anyone. I drove off one morning with the baby strapped in the car and an expensive mattress cover on the roof. I got to my destination, and couldn't figure why I didn't find the mattress cover in the car.

I'm just glad I didn't put the baby on the roof and drive off.

Sometimes, a parent's resources are low, and they make mistakes. Usually, they aren't fatal. But we've all done it.

marybourg

(13,632 posts)
80. 70+ years ago, when I was a baby (and even when I had my babies)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jan 2013

it was usual to leave the occupied stroller or carriage outside the small New York city stores while you shopped. My mother used to tell the story of the neighbor whom my mother encountered in a store. The neighbor left the store at the same time as my mother, who unlocked my stroller wheels and wheeled me home, talking to the neighbor. When they got to their apartment house, the neighbor gasped in horror:"I left little (her baby) outside the store! They both ran back and found the baby fine, where she had been left.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,419 posts)
81. The Washington Post article is very sad, but also very instructive.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:19 PM
Jan 2013

It tells us that anybody can make a terrible mistake. Anybody.

I teach a college course in aviation safety, and we study, among other things, the "Swiss cheese" model mentioned in the article. And we also address the many things that can lead to a plane crash, and they are exactly the same things that caused these parents to forget their child was in the back seat: stress, fatigue, distractions, changes in routine. And we learn that most of the pilots involved in accidents were not incompetent, stupid people, but in most cases were smart, competent and well-trained, with no history of problems or incidents. Human factors in industrial safety have been studied carefully for at least 30 years, and it certainly appears that the same principles apply to the everyday lives of ordinary people as well.

In aviation and other industries, safety measures include technological safeguards and warning systems and the extensive use of checklists. These things are used because people are fallible; our brains don't always work the way they should no matter how hard they try.

So if you're tempted to cast stones at these parents, who must be suffering the torments of the damned, you'd better get off your high horse, because even if you don't think you could ever do something that awful, the fact is that you and I and everybody else really could.

benld74

(10,284 posts)
82. What side of car was carseat in? - back passenger side or back driver side
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jan 2013

Driver can SEE back passenger side but not behind them.
SO many times I see parents stopping at day care centers to drop their kids off. SO MANY of them open the back driver side door to unbuckle and get their child out on the drive side of the car! On street side no less.
THAT is wrong.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
89. Thank the goddess it wasn't summer
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jan 2013

That would have killed that poor kid.

At times as a non parent I think, how can people forget the baby? But it can happen if there is something out of routine.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
91. Two words: SLEEP DEPRIVATION.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jan 2013

Its effects can be devastating. There is a reason why it is a time-honored torture technique. I am not a parent, but I do know I have never heard the parent of a small child say they get enough sleep.

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