Pro-assault weapons goon heckled the father of one of the kids slaughtered in Newtown

[malaise]

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Newtown-dad-to-lawmakers-Change-gun-laws-4228992.php
<snip>
A false fire alarm, 45-minute waits to get into the Capitol complex, even the heckling of a bereaved parent of a Newtown shooting victim marked Monday's day-long legislative hearing on gun control.

"The Second Amendment!" was shouted by several gun enthusiasts in the meeting room as Neil Heslin, holding a photo of his 6-year-old son, Jesse Lewis, asked why Bushmaster assault-style weapons are allowed to be sold in the state.

"There are a lot of things that should be changed to prevent what happened," said Heslin, who grew up using guns and seemed undisturbed by the interruption of his testimony.

"That wasn't just a killing, it was a massacre," said Heslin, who recalled dropping off his son at Sandy Hook Elementary School shortly before Adam Lanza killed 20 children and six adults. "I just hope some good can come out of this."

Another father of a 6-year-old boy murdered in the shootings fought back tears as he told lawmakers to make any changes in gun laws simple.

"I don't believe it's so complex," said Mark Mattioli, whose son, James, was among the first-graders slaughtered on Dec.14.

[catbyte]

1. Why do people have to act like boorish asses?

[LisaLynne]

3. Well, they don't HAVE to. It's a choice.

I think people like that are just those who have never suffered any real loss in their lives or are so stunted in their maturity and emotional growth that they can't show empathy or understand what it is to have suffered at that level.

[malaise]

10. I don't care who you are and whether you have personally suffered

If the slaughter of 20 little children doesn't evoke compassion and sympathy then stay away from me and mine. I hate these monsters.

[Chorophyll]

33. Seriously. Do you HAVE to have experienced loss to know how to behave around those who have?

I don't think so. It's shameful. These people are obsessed with their guns and with their cowboy fantasies. They have no conscience.

[malaise]

36. Shameful does not quite explain these monsters

They must be named and shamed everywhere.

How dare they heckle this man after his child was slaughtered with a Bushmaster.

[retired rooster]

119. horse whipping would be too good for that prick

[kestrel91316]

53. No, you don't. My parents taught me when I was TINY that I should treat people the way

I wanted to be treated. Be nice! Watch your tongue! Don't you DARE make fun of that person!! And if the lesson didn't stick, I got a spanking and lost privileges.

People like this probably had bad parenting to start with, reinforced by a culture around them in their little podunk towns or whatever, where that sort of nastiness was not called out and criticized.

We need to bring back public shaming rituals for these freaks. Throw them in the stocks and let their victims lob rotten tomatoes at them.

[malaise]

66. That simple

Do unto others are you would have them do unto you.

[damonm]

103. But if one runs into a masochist who practices that...n/t

[malaise]

109. Then you run

[The Wizard]

142. The golden rule is

just so socialist.

[Shadowflash]

186. I thought it was

Do unto other before they do unto you.

[Bake]

78. Absolutely.

As a gun owner in favor an AWB, I couldn't agree more. The hecklers have no shame.

Bake

[malaise]

4. Fugging barbarians if you ask me

State police Detective Barbara Mattson displays a Bushmaster assault-style rifle, the type used in the Sandy Hook School shooting, during testimony before the Gun Violence Prevention Working Group at the Legislative Office Building in Hartford, Conn. on Monday, January 28, 2013.
Photo: Brian A. Pounds

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Father-of-Newtown-victim-heckled-at-hearing-4228992.php#ixzz2JJ8o7qd0


The hearing should settle all arguments about the Bushmaster

[jeff47]

5. Because if they actually had to defend their position

it would become apparent that they are idiots or monsters. So yank the fire alarm and otherwise try to drown out opponents before they have to explain themselves.

[Laurian]

9. Because that's what they are. I wonder what the audience

reaction was to the heckler? I hope he was mercilessly shamed. God, I hate the heartless NRA and their followers.

[malaise]

12. The co-Chairman threatened to empty the room n/t

[freshwest]

132. I wish there was video and names taken. They need to be filmed and recorded for the public.

Just like the ones who were threatening to start killing people - so many of them - I'm sick of their mentality:



I've seen that online many times. And I'm stick of their bumper stickers I've seen in real life for twenty years:



They claim they have Second Amendment rights but they don't believe in the First Amendment. And their days of bullying need to come to an end to solve the problems this nation and the world are facing and they aren't helping a bit.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

48. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise.

When Sheriff Jim Clark let loose his men on peaceful civil rights protesters in Selma, Alabama in 1965, it suddenly became increasingly clear to most Americans who was on the side of right and who was on the side of wrong.

[jberryhill]

107. Things often move that way

Sometimes it seems that people can be more motivated to reconsider their position by taking note of their allies, than by the entreaties of their opponents.

[msanthrope]

135. Thus, you have explained the life's purpose of Orly Taitz. nt

[Tagish_Charlie]

55. Because

They ARE boorish asses!

[Posteritatis]

57. Oxygen deprivation for having their boorish heads crammed up them? (nt)

[kardonb]

76. why?

because they ARE boorish , ignorant , asses , thats why !

[Glamrock]

150. Quite simple really...

They are boorish asses.

[JHB]

166. They don't have to. They volunteer.

[mwb970]

167. They're not "people". They're right-wing jerks. /nt

[PA Democrat]

2. Wow. Just when you thought the gun nuts couldn't sink any lower.

[malaise]

7. That was really disgusting

I saw the video clip on Martin Bashir

[CTyankee]

45. One of our friends here in CT called up and was YELLING into the phone about this!

I mean, he was on a RANT. We REALLY don't need these people here. They disgrace our state even more than we are already disgraced by Lanza.

[malaise]

65. They should be publicly disgraced

Name them and shame them - ostracize them.
This must not be tolerated. Fugg 'em!!

[CTyankee]

67. Well, here in The People's Republic of New Haven we are intolerant of these goons...

I'm glad I live in New Haven...

[SunSeeker]

243. This CBSNews story names some names...

<snip>
Many gun rights advocates, wearing yellow stickers that read: "Another Responsible Gun Owner," were among the estimated 2,000 people at the hearing. ..."The Second Amendment does not protect our right to hunt deer," said Andrew Hesse of Middletown. "It protects our right to self-preservation and preservation of our family. The right to bear arms." Elizabeth Drysdale, a single mother from Waterbury, spoke of three recent incidents that caused her to fear for her safety. She said she should be able to choose the size of magazine and type of firearm to defend herself. "Don't my children and I deserve your support and consideration to be safe," she asked lawmakers. Judy Aron of West Hartford said bills such as those requiring gun owners to have liability insurance and ammunition taxes only harm lawful gun owners.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57566406/gun-rights-advocates-shout-at-newtown-victims-dad/

[mwb970]

168. Don't EVER assume that right-wingers "can't sink any lower".

You will be wrong every single time. The depth of their depravity knows no limit.

[awoke_in_2003]

250. +1000. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Pieces of shit.

There's no other term I can think of to describe them but that.

[malaise]

8. Heartless scumbags

I can't believe these people - those little children were slaughtered and they are screaming for their assault rifles.
I don't think they have an idea how angry people are - they are going to pay for this.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. When they show you who they truly are....

....believe them.

They value an inanimate object, whose specific design is to kill, injure or simulate killing/injuring, over the lives of human beings.

That speaks for itself.

[malaise]

17. 100% correct

Imagine heckling a grieving father after his child was slaughtered.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. You know our friends in RKBA here in DU?

They own this type of behavior.

I'm sorry, they can say it was inappropriate, but they own it.

If they want to continue to ooh and ahh about their AR-15s--and there are multiple posters who have done just that--they own that shit.

[Laurian]

23. Absolutely! n/t

[malaise]

25. Yep - this is what it leads to

The sole reason for these weapons is to kill large numbers of people.

[Chorophyll]

35. +1000

[abelenkpe]

50. +1000 nt

[Demobrat]

74. They all have blood on their hands.

They can strut and brag about their "equipment", and their rights, and defending themselves against other gun nuts, but in the end they're all responsible.

[Bake]

81. No, they're not responsible for the boorish behavior of other people.

I know it's popular to attribute blame to gun owners, especially AW owners, but it's simply not true.

I own guns, although no AWs, and in fact I am in favor of of an AWB. But attributing blame to an entire group of people for the behavior of some is simply WRONG.

Bake

[jmg257]

89. Are you also for magazine capacity limits, or does your owning a 15+1 9mm keep you from

supporting THAT particular ban?

[Bake]

92. As I have said before, I am in favor of hi-cap magazine bans

BUT, and it's a big "but," it depends on how you define hi-cap. I think a 15 round clip for a 9mm is fine. 30, not so much. Drums, gone. Setting it at 5 or 6 is arbitrary and, in my opinion, unreasonable.

And I'm glad you're keeping track of my weapons.

Bake

[jmg257]

97. No problem - someone has to! ;) The current fad is 10 rounds...but you'll be

in luck it seems, as yours will remain legal. Maybe un-transferrable depending on the bill, but legal to keep none the less.

At least you are for some limits, apparently as long as you are not personally inconvenienced.

[Bake]

100. Nope. Too broke to have to buy new magazines.

Too broke to go to the range very often either. You'll be relieved to know that they don't give ammunition away for free at WalMart.

And yes, I **am** in favor of some limits. Reasonable ones.

Bake

[jmg257]

105. Cheers - good luck - it doesn't seem like it will be getting any cheaper to shoot any time soon.

Eventually it will correct itself.

[Bake]

115. Thanks to Harry Reid's cave on filibuster reform, gun control is dead in the water.

Nothing's going to get done. No AWB, no nothing. It might not have passed the House, but now it DEFINITELY won't pass the Senate.

Thanks, Harry.

Bake

[Demobrat]

101. Anyone who advocates against gun control

is okay with things as they stand now. IOW they're okay with the senseless murder of innocents on a daily basis. I understand that you are of a different opinion, but you're not going to change mine. To me you're no different from a gang member. You may not be the member who does the drive-by THIS time, but you condone it by your actions and attitudes.

[Bake]

106. No. I don't condone it.

Read a little futher in this thread and you'll see that I actually favor reasonable gun control efforts, including an assault weapons ban.

But you see me as a gang member. That's the problem with your side. You insult those who would actually cooperate with you, and in so doing, you alienate them. Inother words, you see me as a gang member, and that makes me see you as a gun grabber.

The perfect, in this case, is definitely the enemy of the good.

Bake

[Demobrat]

110. I don't care if you see me

as a gun-grabber. I'd be perfectly happy to ban all guns except for hunting rifles during hunting season. If that makes me a gun-grabber I should care why?

[Bake]

117. Because you won't get ANYTHING done in the way of gun control.

No assault weapons ban, no hi-cap magazine ban, nothing.

Nada. Zip. Zilch.

In other words, you're your own worst enemy.

Bake

[Demobrat]

121. We'll get something done.

And whether or not I consider those who don't like it to be thugs will have nothing to do with it.

[Bake]

122. Then I can only assume you'll be staying out of the discussion

Because IF anything gets done, it will get done by reasonable people. You've shown yourself not to be in that number.

Now, frankly, I say that NOTHING will get done -- no AWB, no hi-capacity magazine ban, nada, zip, zilch. If it ever stood a chance in the House, it'll never pass the Senate now and you can thank Harry Reid and Diane Feinstein for that (i.e., no filibuster reform).

Bake

[Demobrat]

140. But, but, you just said

that if nothing got done it would be MY fault for believing that you have the blood of innocents on your hands. Guess I'm really not that powerful, huh?

[Bake]

141. Nice try but no cigar.

Reasonable gun control COULD happen if the gun grabbers weren't so busy alienating us "gun nuts" to the point that many many many will not support it. Without overwhelming support, it won't get past the supermajority required in the Senate (assuming it could get past the GOP-controlled House).

Don't try to chew gum and walk at the same time. You might hurt yourself.

Bake

[Demobrat]

143. As if

your "alienation" matters. You don't have that much power, either. Whatever happens or doesn't happen will have nothing to do with your hurt widdle feelings.

[Robb]

128. Gun owners are not a race. They decide to be gun owners.

And we're to this point because of exactly the attitude you're showing: "Not my problem, I don't do that."

But now, because no one spoke up or added anything meaningful to the debate, you're surprised to get lumped in with the assholes?

Public perception is everything. And the majority who do not own a gun think of gun owners as an overrepresented bunch of psychopaths at this point. And by not putting enough distance between jackasses like these in this story and actual responsible gun owners, it's the fault of every responsible gun owner, too.

[Bake]

134. There are 300 million guns in the US

That means there are somewhere around 100 million gun owners. You're saying we're ALL psychos.

And that, sir, is bullshit.

If that is how you view 100 million Americans, the problem is with YOU.

Bake

[Robb]

144. What *I* think about you is not the problem.

[redstatebluegirl]

195. You are one of the few gun people I have

not ignored. You are correct in your thoughts about the arguments. We have to move more to the middle on this issue and others. We have the far right, who are not seeing things clearly and being egged on by their media choice and the far left who are in many ways unreasonable in what they think the country will tolerate or should. I live somewhere in the middle.

It bothers me when people make jokes here about rural people like my extended family, many own rifles to protect their property and livestock. We have to have a sane discussion without shouting about automatic weapons and large mags. i do not agree we need them but I want to listen to reasonable ideas.

I do not see you as the kind of gun owner who would have yelled at that poor father, those types of people do not help your cause in the least and I think most gun owners understand that.

You are right, not all gun folks are psychos, but you do have a few. I have seen them here and they scare me.

People here tell me I need a thicker skin, we will see what kind of response this brings

[Bake]

233. You are correct. I would never in a gazillion years have heckled that father

I would put my arms around him.

There are nuts on both sides. I try to distance myself from both.



Bake

[freshwest]

129. What you say there... Is something all decent people should heed...

When they show you who they truly are.... believe them.

That's the problem with many, it's denial. It's the inner voice within the listener:

I would never do that, they're kidding.

I've learned the hard way to take some people at their word.

[OnyxCollie]

43. Call them "pro-murder."

Here's an opportunity to take advantage of the lexicon. In the abortion debate, RWers are "pro-life," and call others "pro-abortion." (No one is pro-abortion.) So when the gun nuts call those demanding gun control "anti-gun" (which is okay with me), call them "pro-murder" and put them on the defense to explain why they are not for murder.

[Demobrat]

75. I like that.

It has a nice ring. Pro-murder. Yes.

[onehandle]

11. Sociopaths. nt

[malaise]

14. They are worse than that

They will lose in the end.

[Smilo]

13. These are the type of fools who should never have guns in the first place

they scream 2nd Amendment (have you noticed how many can not spell Amendment) and denigrate those that lost loved ones, yet many of these have never shot at anything other than a rusted up old car at the local dump.

[malaise]

15. Freaking perfect

Thanks

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Let them rot in Hell.

This pisses me off beyond words.

[NutmegYankee]

19. And shitheads like that bring shame to the rest of gun owners.

I don't know what the hell is going on in their minds that they think that such insensitive classless behavior will persuade others that legal gun owners aren't the problem. WTG fuckheads!

I certainly do not condone this kind of behavior. If they were members of the sportsman club I am a member of they would be expelled by now.

[tiny elvis]

64. no, they are you and you are them

however exclusive and genteel your personal kill klub may be

you 'do not condone' the method
it does not 'persuade'
your aim is the same

[Demobrat]

77. Totally agree

Thank you for putting it so well.

[Bake]

83. That's bullshit.

Blaming an entire (and large) group of people for the ridiculous behavior of some is wrong. You're not doing yourself or your argument any favors. It's popular to do around here, but it's still wrong.

Bake

[MightyMopar]

152. RBKAers are revealing themsleves as a bully class

[Walk away]

177. It's going to get more popular everywhere as America finally get to see the real facts...

about guns. Our arguments don't need any "favors" they just need the light of day. We have been listening to your excuses for years. They are worn thin.

[Bake]

232. You haven't heard ANY excuses from me "for years"

Stop lumping me in with your so-called "gun nuts."

You're not doing your side ANY good, favors or otherwise. If you don't want to discuss it reasonably and rationally, I'm done with you.

Bake

[frylock]

234. fucking nonsense..

really. fucking. nonsense.

[Demobrat]

80. There is no "rest". N/T

NT

[etherealtruth]

87. That is the difference between you and the "gun insane"

You and I will never agree on "guns' and gun laws ... but we can agree that this behavior is FAR beyond any standard of human decency.

The best thing a gun enthusiast can say in a situation like this is: You have experienced horrific loss, I cannot imagine your pain. I am so sorry for your loss.

[Robb]

21. Pro-gun DUers, take note:

You are not putting enough sunlight between yourselves and these people.

You are going to be called monsters because you are standing in close rank with monsters.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. They own this shit.

At least those who are so obsessed about their AR-15s.

They own it.

As a father to two young children, you have no idea how angry this story makes me.

[malaise]

28. Their right to assault weapons is more important than your

kids right to life - that is some inversion of reality.

[Skittles]

58. it makes any rational, feeling human being angry

teabagging pieces of shit, not so much - I can guarantee you plenty of them are parents of young children

[NutmegYankee]

26. Look above your post. nt

[villager]

27. Enough sunlight? Hell, many here have exhibited precisely this same level of "empathy"

...in threads defending unchecked proliferation of their precious toys.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. Whatever would you be talking about?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729282

[villager]

49. Good God, what a thread. The drool over their fetish objects is thick in it.

Ugh.

[BainsBane]

62. +1

[Blue_Tires]

73. +1000

It goes beyond DUers; you could add in most of the sane, level-headed, safe gun owners in general...

[Bake]

85. I have said before, and will say again, I am in favor of an AWB

I abhor the behavior of the NRA and other extremists. How much more "sunlight" would you like?

Bake

[Walk away]

179. How about Canadian style background checks and registration for EVERY gun...

every five years.

[City Lights]

22. Drooling knuckledraggers.

Ugh.

[LeftinOH]

29. The parroting of "The Second Amendment" is beyond ignorant.

Personally, a big-ole "F*ck the Second Amendment, and you along with it" may be the only worthy response.

[malaise]

30. Ding ding we have a winner

I'd go with 'Fuck you and your false interpretation of the Second Amendment too'.

[SunSeeker]

235. Exactly. Gun nutters (Scalia included) horrifically misinterpret the 2nd Amendment. nt

[Chorophyll]

37. These assholes seem to believe that the Constitution is one big 2nd Amendment

I wonder if they could name any of the other 26.

[backscatter712]

51. These gunbaggers only respect the Second and the Tenth.

First, Fourth, Fifth, Fourteenth, etc... not so much.

[malaise]

68. Forget the amendments

Do you think they even acknowledge or recognize the articles related to the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government

[Chorophyll]

137. Probably not.

They just think "the gubmint" is this mysterious entity that's out to take their stuff away.

[bongbong]

31. Make that

"Tremendously scared & delicate, pro-assault weapons goon"

[HockeyMom]

32. Guns are their babies,

Sick Bastards. As a mother, and TA, I will not tell you what I would like to do to THEM.

[whathehell]

34. OMG...Is the heckler still alive?

Unfuckingbelievable.

[Blue_Tires]

59. Yeah, I would have gone after him fists flying

Luckily, Heslin is a much, much emotionally stronger person than I am...

[Bake]

88. And you'd be just as wrong as they were.

Bake

[Blue_Tires]

91. Of course...Which is why I'm praising the father's poise...

[whathehell]

124. That makes two of us..

My God, it's hard to believe anyone could be that cruel or insensitive...I would have

decked that mofo and I bet I wouldn't even have been charged!

[KansDem]

38. Scum

F*cking slave-patrol patriots are scum...

[joeunderdog]

39. When leaders and politicians give silent approval to this kind of behavior

they are just sending the message that they are ok with this being the face of their crusade.

Just once, I'd like to see a gun advocate in a position of authority or visibility come out and say that this stuff is uncalled-for or not what they stand for. Until they do, as far as I'm concerned, it is.

[malaise]

70. Correct

ReTHUGs waited for the NRA's comments before they said a word about Sandy Hook. 20 dead little children and six educators but they defer to the gun manufacturers' lobby. These people are sick.

[jmg257]

40. Selfish fucking scumbags...gun owners all over should be embarrassed as hell by these neanderthals

but no...they won't be. They'll cheer this shit, just like they cheer the increase in sales of their beloveds and root for the downfall of any meaningful legislation while claiming how foolish and impossible it is to make happen.

Fuck them.

[sasha031]

42. This is Neil Heslin with his beautiful son and at the hearing today

[Skraxx]

47. Damn, Just Breaks My Fucking Heart

Damn damn damn.

Gun nutters better get used to it. Change is coming.

[derby378]

131. You can't always get what you want

I've seen the prevailing winds. There will be no new gun ban.

Your next available option is to support something useful with all that pent-up energy that might actually pass through Congress. An improved background check system is your best bet right now since it has a lot of momentum.

[Skraxx]

237. LOL! Sure You Have. Bit Of Wishful, Reality Denying On Your Part. Change is Coming, Better Get Used

to it. People are fed up with the gun nutter bullshit. We will ignore and go around the gun nutter dipshits who are opposed to regulation.

[derby378]

238. I've heard that talk before, too

Repeat it if it makes you feel better. The wave of gun control has been pushing forward since 1934, but we have reached the point where the wave breaks and rolls back.

Be happy with the improved background check, and start evolving some new ideas. Good luck to you.

[Skraxx]

240. 20 Dead Six Year Olds Has A Way Of Resonating With Folks Who Have A Shred of Morals and Decency

Some people are lacking in these traits, I guess. Change is coming, better get used to it.

[derby378]

241. I'll see your 20 and raise you a thousand or more

These are the children whose very lives depend on the social programs that the GOP wants to defund. If a new gun ban is installed, GOP takes House and Senate (we've seen this before, remember?), and those programs that save disadvantaged kids go bye-bye.

And you want to try and play the morality card on me?

Be careful what you wish for.

[Skraxx]

242. Yes, I Will Play The "Morality Card" And Raise 20 Actual Dead Six Year Olds Against Your

Hypothetical bullshit bluff.

Since the public overwhelmingly favors better, more effective gun control, Dems will more than likely reap the benefits of attempting to pass that legislation, and the GOP will suffer for blocking it. Bank on it, Chester.

[derby378]

244. Only thing is, I've seen it happen before - and so have you

Not so "hypothetical" anymore, is it?

Butterfly effect, my dear Skraxx - butterfly effect.

[Skraxx]

245. Bullshit Effect My Dear Chester, Utter and Complete Bullshit

I'll take my chances in 2014 and do the right thing anyway. Doing the right thing trumps your bullshit concern trolling about possible electoral consequences. 20 actual dead six year olds trumps your hypothetical bullshit.

Not to mention, again, the public OVERWHELMINGLY supports better gun control. There will be no electoral backlash for supporting it. None. And frankly, the NRA is becoming a demented, radioactive freakshow. But feel free to keep supporting their nonsense.

[Aerows]

247. Even hardcore

Republicans are speaking up about gun control. People are sick of there being a mass shooting every time we turn around, and everyone knows why they happen in our country and not other countries with similar standards of living. It's because we have too many guns in the hands of too many people.

Change is coming. You may fear it, but it's coming anyway.

[derby378]

249. The change has already come - DC V. HELLER

You want to stop mass shootings? You can start by making sure our kids have decent schools to attend, and make sure each student has access to counselors who can get them the help they need. The Republicans won't commit to that, you know, because that's hard. Not to mention the fact that it'll step on too many toes at Wall Street, I suppose.

Keep advocating the easy way out if you want, but I'm not prepared to shred the Constitution just yet.

[Robb]

60. Families left only with framed pictures of their slaughtered children.

I am so tired of it. Anyone remember this? I was perusing my photobucket when I came across it.



http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/nine-year-old-victims-uncle-how-do-yo

[malaise]

99. That's little Christina

who was slaughtered by another moron outside the supermarket with Gabby Giffords.

[malaise]

72. And they dare to heckle this man

[Third Doctor]

44. I saw that on Tv and it was sickening.

These nuts care more about their toys than the lives of children. The 2nd amendment in a lot of cases is outdated but what is being proposed leaves it intact. These people don't care about social jusctice, healthcare or jobs but they must have the ability to slaugher people? I get it.

[sheshe2]

46. Heslin, was right when he called this a massacre.

Twenty children (babies really) and six guardians of the children were slaughtered. Shot multiple times. The NRA/ Gun Nuts only answer is to SCREAM...MY RIGHTS, MY RIGHTS! What about our Right to Life. These idiots have lost their Humanity. They sicken me!

[malaise]

93. Lost their humanity

Did they ever have a shred of humanity

[sheshe2]

102. On the day they were born, probably.

After that day, no.

[DavidG]

52. Aussie Battler

People who love guns obviously have a personality problem. They must feel inadequate and a gun makes them feel powerful. The bigger the gun, the worse their problem is!

Gun owners should receive counseling!

[MotherPetrie]

54. I hate guns, I hate the NRA, and I hope one day

the NRA reaps what IT has sown. Instead of innocent bystanders who get in the way of their obscene objects of obscene worship.

[valerief]

56. Could anyone bring their guns in? nt

[NutmegYankee]

84. No. Guns are not allowed on State Capital Property.

[valerief]

90. I know. Let's make everywhere State Capital Property! That's one way to get rid of them.

[obama2terms]

61. Absolutely disgusting

Of all people to heckle he chose a victim's father? These gun loons are fucking sick!

[BainsBane]

63. conspicuous absence of the usual suspects

who swoop into every gun thread to defend their precious guns.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

69. They're too busy talking about the latest toys.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172106061

[BainsBane]

95. that's disgusting

[Art_from_Ark]

145. That thread reminds me of this scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes":

All hail the Almighty Bomb

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

71. And the President thinks we should be MORE sympathetic to these people and their opinions!?

We're at this point because decent society has tolerated these people and their boorish behavior for far too long.

[Cha]

79. I hope some good can come out of it too.. in the mean

time.. it's bringing out all the brainwashed idiots post massacre.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

82. Maybe shining a light on these people and their culture

is the ultimate good that can come of this.

[Cha]

86. You're right.. there is a

benefit to having them exposed and highlighted for what they really are.

NRA Tactics Under Fire After Father of Newtown Victim Heckled

Martin Bashir took down the tactics of the NRA against gun safety today, starting off with a clip of an ‘NRA mole’ who heckled father of a victim the Newtown tragedy, Neil Heslin, as he talked about the loss of his 6-year-old son Jesse.

Steve Kornacki: If you look at the outpouring of grief for these families, one thing that’s separated the aftermath of Newtown is this story has stayed in the news. It stayed in the news a lot longer than other shootings and it’s kept gun control in the news a lot longer which has created this political opening. When you look at a moment like that, which obviously it’s indefensible for somebody to show up at a hearing and treat a man like that, but I think it adds to the momentum. It adds to the outrage and it adds to the case for action to be taken here.

Vid and Transcript at link
http://www.politicususa.com/nra-tactics-fire-father-newtown-victim-heckled.html

[squirefld]

94. What A Lie

This article is nothing but propaganda. I heard Mark Mattioli, and yes he broke up over his 6 year old son, but the writer of this article, didn't just take him out of context, he lied and made stuff up. One of the most interesting parts of Mattioli's speech was that it is the "lack civility in our country" which is causing the problems. He didn't blame guns. He actually mocked the gun laws in Chicago and 500 dead kids last year. A problem can never be solved when you start out with fiction about the issues.

[malaise]

96. Huh?

I watched the video for myself and heard the heckler.
Enjoy your short stay

[BainsBane]

123. jury wouldn't hide his post

[VOX]

151. There was a time when this clown would have been tombstoned in 5 minutes.

But the jury system just lets 'em spread their toxic shit all over.

DU ain't what it used to be.

[BainsBane]

153. juries always let the new gun trolls stay

I think it's because the juries are full of gunners who want the trolls here.

[bettyellen]

158. Skinner is doing a ton of cleanup after the juries.

[malaise]

163. Thank you Skinner

[Blue_Tires]

231. Yeah, things really went off the deep end starting with the

Trayvon Martin case last year..I've got a shit list a mile long full of trolls and longtime DUers...Even though they have gone back into hiding as their narrative of the case has been exposed as complete bullshit, this forum has been mostly dead to me since then..

[defacto7]

160. He's been tombstoned

pizza time.

[valerief]

98. Yeah, we need MORE killing machines.

[VOX]

104. Your FOURTH post on DU, and you call the OP a liar?

Assault weapons much?

[malaise]

108. Cha posted the video at #86

I don't believe these people have a clue.
They are going to pay for the slaughter of those children and their educators

[Pholus]

111. The clip at post 86 shows your facts are incorrect.

I'm sure you'll do the adult thing and retract your accusation.

[malaise]

112. Here's the clip and the transcript from MSNBC

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/50619448#50619448

[Electric Monk]

127. and PPRd. Thanks. Skinner. nt

[Zoeisright]

130. Fuck you.

And every asshole like you who DARES to denigrate the suffering of those who lost children in that massacre.

[humbled_opinion]

113. Interesting

The article makes it sound that Mark Mattioli was in favor of gun laws when he testified nothing of the kind, in fact he said that just the opposite and that the problem was not existing gun laws....

[Recursion]

169. God forbid someone complicate the narrative and have non-neatly-packaged thoughts...

...about the horrible death of his son.

But yeah, I noticed that too. But "Gun nuts heckle man calling for civility and respect" for some reason doesn't sound as good as "gun nuts heckle man calling for new gun laws". *shrug*

[Kalidurga]

118. Heckling grief stricken parents...

puts the NRA types and their ilk in the same camp as Fred Phelps and his klan.

[malaise]

125. You nailed it

[Cali_Democrat]

120. The gun nuts really are vile ghouls, aren't they?

Fuck 'em all.

[malaise]

126. Ditto

[sasha031]

133. I can't stand them

Whining about the unlikely possibility of an assault weapons ban, always yelling about their 2nd amendments rights. With not a care about all the fallen victims and their families.

[Demobrat]

139. Yep. "Good" gun nuts = "good" nazis.

There's no such thing.

[47of74]

136. Where the FUCK were these reich wing inbred doucherockets...

...when George Bush was wiping is ASS with the Constitution? Didn't hear much from these dumbass fucksticks then about Constitutional rights. As a matter of fact they were busy calling anyone who stood up for the Constitution - especially the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendments - a bunch of godless commie traitors. So these douchesticks can take their holier than thou attitudes and shove 'em up their asses as far as I'm concerned.

[Demobrat]

239. There's an upside to this.

The more these gun nuts show their true colors the more people will pay attention - and realize they need to be stopped in their bloody tracks.

[SunSeeker]

138. "Goons" is being charitable. nt

[Demobrat]

146. Who ARE these people who cling

to their guns like a 4-year-old girl with her teddy? What happened to make them so afraid? It's like they'll pee their pants if they see their shadows. Sad!

[rightsideout]

147. Since we're all shouting our Amendment rights and Freedoms

No one should have any problem with me going in to such a meeting and yelling "FIRE!!!"

If the gun loons are allowed to buy up assault weapons and thousands of rounds of ammo because they are paranoid. I could be just a paranoid and yell "FIRE!!!" in a public place.

I could say. "I thought I smelled smoke and yelled FIRE just to be on the safe side."

No one should have a problem with that.

Next time I see a guy wandering around with AR-15 in JC Penny there's no reason I can express my same freedoms and yell out warnings that some maniac is walking around with a gun.

It goes both ways if the gun maniacs are yelling things like jerks.

They disrupt us. We can disrupt them.

[SheilaT]

148. Maybe a before and

after set of photos would have helped. Maybe the gun apologists ought to see just what an assault rifle does to a child.

[frylock]

149. assholes like that are doing more to get normal folk to embrace common-sense gun laws..

who in their right mind would associate themselves with ghouls like that?

[malaise]

162. That's the good part

Between them and their tone deaf leaders we are guaranteed to finally see fundamental change.

[lonestarnot]

154. Disgusting fucking pig.

[lunasun]

155. Hate is blind

[bullwinkle428]

156. They really are wading deeper and deeper into the Westboro Baptist end of the gene pool.

[malaise]

161. They should remember that the public has learned to respond to Westboro Baptist

rather well

[bullwinkle428]

175. I'm hoping the gun extremists have fuzzy memories!!

[CranialRectaLoopback]

157. I usually run at the mouth but behavior like this leaves me speechless.

[Kennah]

159. One almost wants to believe it is some sort of false flag operation, but unfortunately it's real

[Lesmoderesstupides]

164. They are asking for the guns to be pried out of their hands, we should grant their wish

[AngryOldDem]

165. Asshole.

Honestly, the more these people show themselves, the better they make the case for gun control.

His right to own a fucking assault weapon is more sacred than a 6-year-old's right to life?

He should be ashamed of himself, but it's obvious he's incapable.

[nxylas]

170. He probably doesn't believe the guy *was* a grieving father

These goobers have convinced themselves that Sandy Hook was a hoax, staged by the n****r-in-chief as an excuse to take their babies away.

[malaise]

172. Bet you wear a seat belt

That is all

[rbuchanan]

173. I do.

You will probably consider it uncommitted and milquetoast but I only wear one when I am in the car.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

178. Okay, toughy tough manly man guy.

[rbuchanan]

180. I am not TOO tough

or particularly manly.
I just won't sit still for the state to confiscate my private property.

Better for the state to concentrate on confiscating the liberty of the criminally insane than to reach out and torture folks like me who never did anything wrong with weapons.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

181. No one is going to confiscate your precious.

Hell, even if you currently and legally own a AR-15, they won't even take that. The proposed law is prospective.

But you go on deluding yourself about it.

[rbuchanan]

182. Look at that,

we agree.
No one is going to confiscate my legal AR...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

183. And I'm bet you're proud of your baby.

So proud that you decided to chime in on a thread about how folks like you heckled a man whose son was shot to death by a lovely AR-15.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

185. Yes, he was shot to death with an AR-15. Stop peddling conspiracy theories.

The criminally insane guy who did the killing is dead. The conversation on what to do about the situation is not.

Perhaps I am a "crank old puss" when it comes to yahoos who see a headline about 27 people murdered to death, and their first reaction is, "But don't take my semi-auto rifle!" You got me. Guilty as charged.

[snort]

204. No no.

He was about to correct you on just what entirely exactly the gun was. See, You had it a bit wrong, a little off the mark. So therefore, they win! Ha ha! Gotcha! See? Easy squeezy.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

205. Actually, he was probably going to claim the AR-15 was left in the car.

Based on a single errant piece of reporting the day after the shooting. And totally ignoring the actual investigation which showed that the AR-15 was used to commit all the shootings.

But it's not like facts matter to these jokers.

[malaise]

188. Funny how you come here to defend your weapons

Not one word of condemnation for the goon heckling a grieving father.

FFS leave those of us with empathy and compassion alone.

[jmg257]

198. It's ok really...once they do come take your AR, you can always find another gun or 2 to

cuddle with, unless of course YOU insist on forcing them to take it from your cold dead hands, then you just get to take a nice long dirtnap....and oh what a briiliant move THAT would be.

Yes yes - it wasn't an AR-15 - it was an XM-15-E2S...big fucking difference there huh, sporto?

In the mean time, why don't you explain to him how it wasn't REALLY an AR or an assault weapon that killed his son, just so you can hope to always be able to fondle yours.

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[LanternWaste]

248. Enjoy jitterbugging to an imaginary tune.

"I just won't sit still for the state to confiscate my private property..."

And enjoy constructing the melodramatic cross to martyr yourself on against the forces of the imaginary...

[SunSeeker]

200. Exactly. These nutters are passing around this sick "Sandy Hook Exposed" video.

One of my inlaws posted on Facebook. When I pointed out that everything in it is a lie, he basically said we'll have to agree to disagree. They don't give a crap about reality. They only fear for their guns.

[OldDem2012]

174. I'm curious whether or not they escorted those scumbags out of the hearing....

...because I've read nothing that would indicate that they did so. And if they didn't throw them out, why not?

[Walk away]

176. More proof that guns make people stupid! nt

[Remmah2]

187. Henson Ong at Gun Violence Prevention Public Hearing - Hartford, CT - 1/28/2013 .

Last edited Tue Jan 29, 2013, 01:53 PM - Edit history (1)

[malaise]

189. This thread is about the heckling of a grieving father n/t

[Remmah2]

190. It's a thread about heckling at the hearings.

The guy in the u tube is part of the hearings.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

191. Is Mr. Ong a greiving father?

No?

Then you're out of your element, Donny.

[Remmah2]

192. Read the OP.

nt

[malaise]

193. Pro-assault weapons goon heckled the father of one of the kids slaughtered in Newtown n/t

[Remmah2]

196. "Father of Newtown victim heckled at hearing"

As opposed to the embelishment.

Also, where's the supporting documentation on this heckler? Did the media bullshit us again?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

197. It's well known that truth has a liberal bias.

http://www.politicususa.com/nra-tactics-fire-father-newtown-victim-heckled.html

Video at the link.

[Remmah2]

199. The bias part is correct.

I see a bunch of self serving media types.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

201. So the media made up the story about this man being interrupted?

The whole "blame the media" thing works well on right wing websites. Not so much here.

[malaise]

216. Ditto

[Remmah2]

207. Bias is different from lying.

Has the media reported on each and every incident of heckling out there? The total time of heckling is short too. The heckling is wrong but it is being given way too much attention.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

210. A man's emotional appeal about his dead kid was rudely interrupted by NRA snark.

That's pretty outrageous to me, and it shows me who these people are. It most certainly is newsworthy.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

215. Yes, newsworthy.

Unless the story's existence is too disturbing for your virgin ears, it's newsworthy.

[SunSeeker]

214. I see reality has no effect on you.

Watching a video of a grieving father getting heckled and interrupted with shouts of "Second Amendment shall not be infringed!" and all you see is "a bunch of self serving media types"?! You are either blind or deeply disturbed. Either way, please stop polluting DU.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

194. Hoo-kay. nt

[SunSeeker]

202. Those are some sick NRA talking points this tool is reading. Way to poison this thread. nt

[Remmah2]

211. I don't think the guy in the video was an NRA member.

[SunSeeker]

219. Those ARE the standard NRA talking points about how gun control doesn't work.

And you posted it to spread that vile propaganda. It had no bearing on the OP. The OP was about the heckling of a grieving father trying to speak at this hearing. You, despite being pointed to videos that show exactly that, still refuse to even acknowledge that reality and instead hijack this OP to spread vile gun nut propaganda. It is sick and you should be ashamed.

[Remmah2]

224. Is anyone who does not agree with your logic an NRA member?

I didn't read my copy of the manifesto today.

[SunSeeker]

226. You don't have to be an NRA member to spew their propaganda.

Whether or not you or this tool you posted are NRA members does not matter; what matters is that you refuse to acknowledge reality. You ignore the videos showing the vile heckling of this poor father. Worse, you deny it is even happening, claiming it is all media bias. You have no shame.

[Robb]

203. Have you zero shame?

[Robb]

212. Indeed.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/henson-ong-kong

[Remmah2]

218. Clearly he's an NRA shill.

[Robb]

222. Absolutely.

The gun nut forums adore him. And we all know how progressive those guys are.

You know, like your recently-banned buddies.

[Remmah2]

225. How can he be a shill if he's not an NRA member?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

228. The same way many of DU's gun enthusiasts claim to disavow the NRA....

....and then proceed to parrot every talking point the NRA has ever made.

[Robb]

229. Are you an NRA member?

How do you know he's not?

You need to take this crap back to the Conservative Cave or whatever gun nut forum you found it in. Disgusting.

[Kolesar]

251. He's been Glock-blocked on this thread twice already

The jury decisions were a bit prejudiced. I won't lose any sleep over it, though.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

217. And the truth is what?

Please proceed, governor.

[Remmah2]

221. People stop looking when they find the answer they want.

The easiest answer is not always the correct one, just because it's an answer does not mean it's the truth.

[SunSeeker]

227. Project much? nt

[aikoaiko]

206. Out of respect for a grieving father, no one should heckle him

There's a time and place for everything even at a hearing.

[Third Doctor]

209. That heckler needs a severe

attitude adjustment.

[Odin2005]

223. He needs a severe ass-kicking.

[Odin2005]

220. The NRA's reign of terror is almost over.

If they are resorting to attacking the victims that means that they are losing.

[malaise]

230. 100% correct n/t

[Pryderi]

236. The #NRA is the Wellsboro Baptist Church of guns,

and Wayne LaPierre is their pastor