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salinen

(7,288 posts)
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:48 PM Jan 2013

Can I share my theory of Everything?

I'm sure that this theory is not unique, but I haven't read much philosophy. Here it is. The Universe did not have a start, or beginning. The Universe has always been. If the Universe had a start, who started it? Well I'm an Atheist so the who part makes no sense to me. But, to solve it for myself, it only makes perfect sense that the Universe has always been. No bearded dude. Big Bang theory is alright, there have been an infinite number of bangs.

I know, how could something not have a beginning. Well, I don't know. But, I don't think that the Universe strives to make sense to us. Without throwing around Gods to solve the dilemma of how did it all happen, the only other alternative can be that it's always existed.

This theory has caused the Jehovah's to stop coming by. Imagine, the Jehovah's have rejected me. Strange.

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Can I share my theory of Everything? (Original Post) salinen Jan 2013 OP
that is close to the Steady State theory quinnox Jan 2013 #1
Who knows? CoffeeCat Jan 2013 #2
I prefer to believe that the Spirit moved across the waters... kentuck Jan 2013 #3
I can live with that. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #5
Me, too. gateley Jan 2013 #9
I can believe in a cosmic consciousness but... kentuck Jan 2013 #13
If the Universe collapses and re-starts, perhaps everything in it plays out in the exact... randome Jan 2013 #4
Not just the Jehovahs... longship Jan 2013 #6
Looks like physics beat you to it. :) Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #7
The further you go, the more philosophy and religion merge... it's all why, why, why? reformist2 Jan 2013 #8
The answer is 43 legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #10
I think you overstepped it by one. randome Jan 2013 #11
No wonder the mystery of life has eluded me. legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #20
How could the universe HAVE a beginning? mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #12
Interestingly, there's a physics argument that the universe doesn't exist Recursion Jan 2013 #16
There seems to be a bit of evidence that the universe does exist mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #43
I think you are close. kentuck Jan 2013 #17
My answer is cheese. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #24
The power of Cheese. MissMarple Jan 2013 #31
The universe might be like cheese mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #44
Kant presents that as one arm of the Transcendental Amphiboly Recursion Jan 2013 #14
Given the physics of the universe I'd have to guess that could be true but liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #15
The universe has always been and always will be. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #18
But that leaves no room for debate... kentuck Jan 2013 #19
question everything liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #21
Perhaps as you look nearer to the beginning and the end, time curves like an asymtote Electric Monk Jan 2013 #22
We're inside a black hole in another universe NoOneMan Jan 2013 #23
Don't even get me started on multi-verses! JaneyVee Jan 2013 #25
The entire universe is only a single atom which makes up something even larger. Bandit Jan 2013 #26
Alternatively Bosonic Jan 2013 #27
Time and space are an illusion Cary Jan 2013 #28
Carl Sagan believed the same dtotire Jan 2013 #29
Everything is relative. kentuck Jan 2013 #30
The Universe is orgasmic in nature. randome Jan 2013 #32
But but but everything is rushing apart faster and faster! Warpy Jan 2013 #33
Why do we accept that time goes forward?? kentuck Jan 2013 #34
That's recently been proven Warpy Jan 2013 #35
Yesterday is not tomorrow? kentuck Jan 2013 #37
This universe did have a beginning... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #36
Psssh, don't kid yourself, we're a bunch of holograms. Neoma Jan 2013 #38
This Universe is just a cell which is part of an organ which is part of an organism darkangel218 Jan 2013 #39
And if we are so minute...? kentuck Jan 2013 #40
Huge ideas on our scale. We are far from being huge within the Universe(s) :) darkangel218 Jan 2013 #41
Definitely. kentuck Jan 2013 #42
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
1. that is close to the Steady State theory
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jan 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory

But it doesn't have to mean a God or supreme being couldn't also have always been existing, eternally.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
2. Who knows?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

My brain hurts when I ponder these big questions. The older I get the more I find myself settled into this view, "I don't know and neither do you." I don't think we CAN possibly know, as of now anyway. We humans have only been on Earth a short while. We still have many discoveries and scientific breakthroughs to experience--before we can begin to answer these questions.

It's all so very interesting. I have great respect and I feel a sense of camaraderie with anyone who thinks about these things and attempts to figure it all out. We need thinkers, dreamers and people who ponder the deep stuff.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
3. I prefer to believe that the Spirit moved across the waters...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:59 PM
Jan 2013

and the "Spirit" was a form of energy and that over many eons of evolution, the energy has been refined into thought processes, which in turn create words, which in turn create actions, which in turn create images of a universe, which in turn is only a figment of our imagination...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,157 posts)
5. I can live with that.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jan 2013

Tho I also believe in universal consciousness of everything.
The great hive mind, if you will.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
13. I can believe in a cosmic consciousness but...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jan 2013

it is scattered, in almost a chaotic manner. However, somewhere in this world, at all times, is a center of this consciousness, that keeps the world glued together. It is the "God" that people worship and talk about but they do not know where it is. They do not know if it is in the form of a man or mammal. But it is probable that there are two of them since everything in our reality is of a dual existence. How could there be only one God? Just as there is a Moon and a Sun, Day and Night, Male and Female, Fire and Water, there surely must be a match to the God of which we speak?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. If the Universe collapses and re-starts, perhaps everything in it plays out in the exact...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jan 2013

...same manner as before.

After all, everything will be the same once it collapses to whatever quantum non-existence it began as. So if conditions are the same at the moment of the Big Bang, it may follow that everything plays out exactly the same.

This could be the 'eternal life' the religionists want. Although it would suck if you have a bad life endlessly repeated.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
8. The further you go, the more philosophy and religion merge... it's all why, why, why?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jan 2013

In the end, the answer is always, I don't know!

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
12. How could the universe HAVE a beginning?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jan 2013

The only possibility is for something else to exist that is not the universe, and for that somehow to start the universe. It could be some dude with a huge bong who created the universe, or it could just to some effect of the non-universe popping itself into being the universe. Regardless, something other than the universe had to exist. Where did that come from? See, the problem just gets pushed back a level.

Unless, of course, we create God, God creates a universe, which then makes people eventually to make another God. Ad infinitum.

Or maybe it all has to do with butts: a universe eventually makes butts, those butts give birth to a God, that God creates a universe capable of producing butts. That's the theory of the buttiverse, and it has as much validity as any religion.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Interestingly, there's a physics argument that the universe doesn't exist
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jan 2013

Or at least, exists within Schroedinger's "margin of error". So if it doesn't exist, there's no need to explain how it got here. Silly in some ways, but also elegant.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
43. There seems to be a bit of evidence that the universe does exist
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jan 2013

Not saying it's impossible that we're being fooled somehow, or misinterpreting the data, but for know, the universe existing is the best explanation.

It might be a good computer simulation (I knew I shouldn't have given away that VIC20).

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
44. The universe might be like cheese
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jan 2013

One theory is that the vast majority if space - as in volume - is undergoing hyper-inflation and that universes are these little holes where there isn't hyper-inflation, so things can kind of settle down there. That means the universe is like Swiss Cheese.

Only a universe made of cheese can explain Disney.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Kant presents that as one arm of the Transcendental Amphiboly
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jan 2013

There are a priori arguments that the universe both must have a starting time and cannot have a starting time.

Many physicists today make an argument that time is a primarily thermodynamic phenomenon, so it could have a beginning in a scientific sense, even if not in the normal sense of what we would mean.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
15. Given the physics of the universe I'd have to guess that could be true but
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jan 2013

it would still have been in a different form of energy and mass at some given point in time and space. The laws of conservation of energy and mass say that energy and mass can never be destroyed. They simply transfer from one form to another. What form of mass and energy was the universe in before the Big Bang and what triggered that transfer of energy? Scientists are still trying to figure that one out.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
23. We're inside a black hole in another universe
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jan 2013

That black hole didn't always exist in that universe. Therefore, our universe did not always exist, but "started" according to an external timeline that is not applicable within this black hole universe.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
26. The entire universe is only a single atom which makes up something even larger.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jan 2013
and what does it really matter in the scheme of things....

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
27. Alternatively
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jan 2013

The only eternal entity is 'sea' of randomness, and 'occasionally' a very improbable event occurs and a universe 'pops' into existance for a 'while', or more probably a mini-universe, or even more probably one concious entity that experiences what it thinks is a fully-realized universe...

Cary

(11,746 posts)
28. Time and space are an illusion
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jan 2013

Get a good current book on cosmology. I believe there is a current theory involving dark matter and dark energy, which we don't currently understand. For some reason our universe has just the right amount of dark matter and dark energy to allow us to exist as we do. So are there other universes with too much or too little dark matter and dark energy?

Of course this goes beyond science at this point because we have absolutely no proof of any other universe.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
30. Everything is relative.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jan 2013

Have you noticed that the Big Dipper and the Little Dipper look exactly alike but one is smaller. And Orion's stars always point to the Little Dipper. Everything is larger or smaller compared to our own height and weight. Look how small that ant is or how large is that elephant.

And we find it amazing how computer chips are created in micro-millimeters to do tasks we never imagined. And when we see photos of the universe they uncannily resemble a strand of DNA. Everything seems to be a reflection of everything else and is only relative to the small space which we occupy on this small speck of sand called Earth.

Warpy

(114,588 posts)
33. But but but everything is rushing apart faster and faster!
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jan 2013

It all had to have come from a single point in time and space many billions of years ago....

Except, they're thinking in terms of space rather than in terms of time. Remember, our perception is unidirectional as far as time goes. The three dimensional, accelerating universe is likely an optical illusion because of our three dimensional perceptual bias.

Personally, I find the concept of an oscillating universe, going between big bang and big crunch, to be most palatable.

Otherwise, it's turtles, all the way down.

Warpy

(114,588 posts)
35. That's recently been proven
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jan 2013

that time has a one way bias except at the quantum level under extreme circumstances, similar circumstances that the Big Crunch would provide.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
37. Yesterday is not tomorrow?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

I guess they knew what they were doing when they built the first clocks?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
36. This universe did have a beginning...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jan 2013

It was between 13 and 14 billion years ago. I don't know about the other universes. I suspect some of those still exist to this day that are much older. There may also be some newer ones out there. And I am not sure that our universe is rushing apart so much as expanding towards other universes. I have no idea what happens when universes collide, but I think it is probably a beautiful but deadly thing for any life in those universes.

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
38. Psssh, don't kid yourself, we're a bunch of holograms.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jan 2013

Captain Picard wanted to explore California once and now we're just stuck in the computer playing ourselves out.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
39. This Universe is just a cell which is part of an organ which is part of an organism
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jan 2013

Which belongs to another Universe , which itself is just a molecule which belongs to an organ which belongs to an organism which belongs to another Universe..

You know the rest.

Cheers!

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
40. And if we are so minute...?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jan 2013

...how are we able to envision such huge ideas or theories??

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
42. Definitely.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jan 2013


Do ants see us coming and shout to the other ants, "Look out! The giants are coming!"
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