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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:11 PM Jan 2013

Pastor Apologizes For Snide Remark On Meal Receipt

ANUARY 31--The St. Louis pastor responsible for the credit card receipt heard ‘round the Internet termed her snide scribblings a “lapse in my character and judgment,” adding that the Applebee’s employee who posted the receipt online was fired yesterday after she lodged a complaint with restaurant managers.

In a TSG interview, Alois Bell said that the online firestorm created by the receipt has left her stunned. “My heart is really broken,” said the 37-year-old Bell. “I’ve brought embarrassment to my church and ministry.”

The Applebee’s receipt, which was posted earlier this week to Reddit, includes Bell’s handwritten notations referring to an 18 percent tip added to the bill (for groups larger than six). “I give God 10% why do you get 18,” wrote Bell, who scratched out the tip and added a zero in its place. She also wrote the word “Pastor” above her signature.

The January 25 meal came after an evening service at the Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries church, said Bell, who added that five adults and five children were in the group that dined at Applebee’s (a traditional post-service destination for church members). The subsequent bill was divided up amongst the parties.


More: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/tipping-pastor-apologizes-687234

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Pastor Apologizes For Snide Remark On Meal Receipt (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 OP
Not before calling to complain and getting the waitress fired though. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #1
Seriously. I hope Redditors make this awful woman's life a living hell. EOTE Jan 2013 #10
I don't doubt she was proud of her note until it became public Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #19
Without all of the publicity she would have gone her way feeling good about how she RKP5637 Jan 2013 #57
Seriously what a saint this woman is LostinRed Jan 2013 #58
That's right lsewpershad Feb 2013 #77
The comments on this article really Laurian Jan 2013 #2
Her "church" has fifteen members Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #3
The video of her preaching Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #6
And how does she feel abut the employee who was fired when she complained. Arkansas Granny Jan 2013 #4
She requested that it be done! MNBrewer Jan 2013 #11
the story doesn't say that dsc Jan 2013 #13
um... so? MNBrewer Jan 2013 #22
she is sorry she got caught nt msongs Jan 2013 #5
exactly sad-cafe Jan 2013 #66
Embarra$$ment to her church and mini$try is more like it MNBrewer Jan 2013 #7
Her apology is pretty much worthless. EOTE Jan 2013 #8
this bell is broken Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #9
Tithing to religious institutions is the longest running scam in human history. Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #12
They used to order me to bring in dimes for the church "building fund" Kolesar Jan 2013 #54
I didn't see an apology in there. Did I miss it? Robb Jan 2013 #14
just another so called christian who seems to do the opposite quinnox Jan 2013 #15
Didn't you read the Bible passage Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #41
So we have here two (2) lapses in character and judgment. HubertHeaver Jan 2013 #16
I'd add a third: riqster Jan 2013 #27
All around stupid Natemoney2 Feb 2013 #79
Alois Bell of St. Louis deserves much scorn JNelson6563 Jan 2013 #17
She's just another hypocritical "person of God" who fails.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #18
WTF?? The waitress was fired for exposing this "christian's" unchristian behavior, geesh! nt Raine Jan 2013 #20
No, she was fired for showing the receipt Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #42
Typical Preacher Taverner Jan 2013 #21
I have no sympathy for her. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #23
God works for tips? Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #43
Yes, and at Tax Time Servers Have to Pay Taxes on Sales w/ the Assumption They Got Tips dballance Feb 2013 #76
The reason you tip 18% TlalocW Jan 2013 #24
Too late, pastor pauldemmd195j Jan 2013 #25
Cheap ass! Myrina Jan 2013 #26
+100. She didn't even give the 10% Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #30
She tipped 18% librabear Jan 2013 #35
000ps. thanks. then I cut her some slack. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #37
Honestly I hate automatic tips too. librabear Jan 2013 #38
The "pastor" crossed out the 18% Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #44
I just looked at that, I don't see anything "crossed out". Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #70
Look again Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #71
The thing I keep coming back to... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #72
Well, there you get into a WHOLE Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #75
No she didn't Cal Carpenter Jan 2013 #45
No, she crossed out the tip and wrote in zero. She tipped zero. yardwork Jan 2013 #47
Despite the pastor's cheapness, she ended up paying demwing Jan 2013 #59
I saw that, but it wasn't a "tip." Her waiter didn't see a dime of it, and got fired. yardwork Jan 2013 #63
She crossed out the 18% tip. Whether they went ahead and charged her, who knows progree Jan 2013 #64
No. She crossed out the $6.29 tip. The amount of $34.93 does not include the tip... Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #73
Well, DUH, me = DUH :-( More analysis follows, hopefully with better results :) progree Feb 2013 #80
No she didn't She crossed out the $6.29 tip which is 18% of $34.93. Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #74
I see that now librabear Feb 2013 #81
She doesn't "give 10% to god". She gives it to her own ministry. Marr Jan 2013 #28
lol, so in a way, she was mad that the waitress was getting a higher percentage than she was quinnox Jan 2013 #31
God got 10% JEB Jan 2013 #29
Applebee’s --- another addition to my boycott list. Downwinder Jan 2013 #32
The pastor runs a deliverance ministry LibertyLover Jan 2013 #33
Seems to me there was this guy a while back thucythucy Jan 2013 #34
More from that Middle Eastern guy back in the olden days progree Feb 2013 #67
Wow! Excellent link. thucythucy Feb 2013 #68
Jesus wept CreekDog Jan 2013 #36
If she's really sorry, she should call Applebees and demand that they rehire the person they fired. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #39
God, I'd like to complain about one of your employees, a Pastor in St. Louis.... TeamPooka Jan 2013 #40
She got a young woman FIRED Marrah_G Jan 2013 #46
Too fucking late. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #48
Who wants to bet her church offers 'ex-gay' therapy? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #49
The video that was taken down Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #51
What a punk. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #50
Another "Christian" giving Christianity a bad name. City Lights Jan 2013 #52
Truthily Delivering Poverty church Kolesar Jan 2013 #53
A good pastor would be boycotting Applebee’s reverend_tim Jan 2013 #55
Can she get the waitress another job? Has she ever been a waitress herself? Hekate Jan 2013 #56
Wonder what kind of church Freddie Jan 2013 #60
She CLAIMS she left a $6 cash tip. Bake Jan 2013 #61
I am so sorry I was an ass sarisataka Jan 2013 #62
Way to play into a stereotype. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #65
The Truth in the World Deliverance Minister speaks the Truth jsr Feb 2013 #69
Misleading Title to this Story. She did NOT apologize to the server. Natemoney2 Feb 2013 #78

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
1. Not before calling to complain and getting the waitress fired though.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jan 2013

Her first reaction was to lash out at the waitress, not apologize to her for stiffing her in a smug way. Somehow that makes this apology ring hollow to my ears.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
10. Seriously. I hope Redditors make this awful woman's life a living hell.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jan 2013

And this awful woman claims to have turned to Christ when she was pregnant and homeless. Then she turns around and fucks over the poor and seems to show glee for it. Fuck Applebees and fuck that pathetic excuse for a Christian.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
19. I don't doubt she was proud of her note until it became public
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jan 2013

Then she became outraged for her "lapse in judgment" being exposed.

Notice how in the article above she has zero remorse for having a waitress fired. Zero! She's only sorry people are judging her note harshly.

All I have to say is now that it's known who she is she's taking her chances going out to eat. You don't act the ass to people who serve you your food.

RKP5637

(67,103 posts)
57. Without all of the publicity she would have gone her way feeling good about how she
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jan 2013

scorned the employee, and smug in her church and "her" god beliefs. Another reason I never trust or like to be around religious people.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
58. Seriously what a saint this woman is
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jan 2013

Hope she's proud of her stingy self. Hope that server gets her job back.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
3. Her "church" has fifteen members
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:17 PM
Jan 2013

It's not a church.

My guess is that she's using her tax exempt status as a tax dodge.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. The video of her preaching
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jan 2013

at the link is now removed.

I saw it and thought of snakes on a plane with preachers.

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
4. And how does she feel abut the employee who was fired when she complained.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jan 2013

Is her heart broken about that, too?

 

sad-cafe

(1,277 posts)
66. exactly
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jan 2013

they are all that way, they mean what they say until there is a backlash then they are sorry....they got caught

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
7. Embarra$$ment to her church and mini$try is more like it
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

$he's got a good $cam going and doe$n't want the gravy train to $top. Preacher$/prie$t$/prelate$ are $uch good con arti$t$.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
8. Her apology is pretty much worthless.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

Have that POS pastor start tithing to the poor woman who lost her job and maybe she can start to atone for her sins. Dear god the fundy nuts in this country disgust me. She probably still thinks she's a good christian, too.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
54. They used to order me to bring in dimes for the church "building fund"
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jan 2013

I didn't even get an allowance and I was supposed to find a dime to give to the church at age ten.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
15. just another so called christian who seems to do the opposite
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jan 2013

of what Christ taught. I'm sure she is very sorry, for being exposed and caught in the act of what she did.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
41. Didn't you read the Bible passage
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jan 2013

about how Jesus got the waitress at the last supper fired because took too long getting Paul's curly fries?

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
16. So we have here two (2) lapses in character and judgment.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jan 2013

First: Writing the comment in the first place.
Second: Lodging a complaint with restaurant managers.

Natemoney2

(2 posts)
79. All around stupid
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:29 PM
Feb 2013

The fact that she crossed it (the gratuity amount) out and wrote a 0 (zero) but didn't bother to check that her total still had the 18% gratuity in it tells me she is just another stupid self righteous hypocrite who thinks everyone else owes her something in life.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
17. Alois Bell of St. Louis deserves much scorn
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jan 2013

and I sure hope that people all over the internet heap much scorn upon Alois Bell of St. Louis. A miserable wretch if ever there was one.

Julie

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
18. She's just another hypocritical "person of God" who fails....
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jan 2013

....to meet even the minimum standards of what they preach.

Sickening.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
42. No, she was fired for showing the receipt
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jan 2013

to a co-worker, who took a picture of it and posted it on Reddit.

The "Christian" woman's unchristian actions were just par for the course.

LiberalFighter

(50,871 posts)
23. I have no sympathy for her.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jan 2013

She didn't have concern about the staff that serve her at less than minimum wage and rely on tips for a living.

She had no sympathy to the woman that was fired because of her behavior and attitude. She should be worried that she will be treated in the future like Sheldon is sometimes when he eats at a restaurant.

She may (I doubt it) give 10% to her god but she does it at tax exempt status. Waitresses don't have that option.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
76. Yes, and at Tax Time Servers Have to Pay Taxes on Sales w/ the Assumption They Got Tips
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:19 PM
Feb 2013

whether they got those tips or not. So not only is Alois Bell screwing the server over at the time of service but again at tax time.

She's not the least bit sorry about what she did. As most other posters have pointed out she's just sorry she got caught. Then called out on her less than Christian actions.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
24. The reason you tip 18%
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jan 2013

Is that the waitress is making less than minimum wage, might have to pool tips, might have to report tips to management and get less, etc.

Your 10% tithe is a scam where you're giving 10% of your income to yourself (as a "church&quot and writing it off on taxes.

TlalocW

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
26. Cheap ass!
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jan 2013

She should be embarassed. And give that waitress the rest of the tip due her, in cash so she doesn't have to declare it.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
44. The "pastor" crossed out the 18%
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jan 2013

and wrote in "0".

Her card was still charged the 18%, because that was the company's policy.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
70. I just looked at that, I don't see anything "crossed out".
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:00 PM
Feb 2013

"Tip - 18% and then a line "adtl tip" (which obviously means "additional&quot , and that's where the zero is. She was charged 18% because it was included in the bill as presented. If she'd had the option of removing the charge and then gotten charged anyway then they'd be committing fraud.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
71. Look again
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:07 PM
Feb 2013


She crossed out the $6.29 that represented the 18% amount. Then wrote "0" on the additional tip line.

Above the crossed out $6.29, she wrote her snide question.
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
72. The thing I keep coming back to...
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:17 PM
Feb 2013

and I REALLY can't quite wrap my head around this, honestly...is that NO-ONE seems to be questioning the practice of tipping; this entire situation and the media attention it's drawn for this one person's "cheapness"? It's because restaurants don't pay servers a living wage. If you're expected to tip, no matter what? Restaurants could raise their prices 20% across the board, since that'd reflect what most people are already paying including tipping the server (and servers wouldn't be at the mercy of the inconstant gratitude of strangers). Personally I see this one person's NOT tipping as less of an issue than the entire system that premises tipping in the first place.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
75. Well, there you get into a WHOLE
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:02 PM
Feb 2013

other discussion.

Arguably, tips shouldn't be about income, they should be about gratitude for service "above and beyond".

Unfortunately, our corporate masters and the IRS saw tipping as an excuse to cut wages and increase taxes on the poor, respectively.

In this instance, we have a person who "tithes" to her god, but since she runs the church she is tithing to, she really isn't giving the money to anyone but herself. Somehow, she views this tax avoidance shell game as somehow moral, and the expectation by a member of the working poor that they actually get paid for the money that the IRS is taxing them for (whether they get it or not) is somehow immoral and "unholy".

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
45. No she didn't
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jan 2013

She crossed the gratuity out and didn't tip at all. She wrote in the bill amount at the bottom and signed it.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/tipping-pastor-apologizes-687234

(click on "view the document" on left column to see entire receipt)

progree

(10,901 posts)
64. She crossed out the 18% tip. Whether they went ahead and charged her, who knows
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jan 2013

The Most Reverend Bell claimed she discovered later that her card was charged the 18% tip, but she strikes me as a chronic liar.

Anyway, she meant not to pay any tip. I'm surprised they went ahead and charged her, when she crossed out the tip and signed the receipt -- isn't it a signed document? What other point is there for the signature on the thing? She deserves no slack. She is a POS.

Oops - on edit I see that she left the "Total: $34.93" (which includes the 18% tip) unaltered, so that's what they go by legally I presume, and charged her card the $34.93. Had she crossed out the $34.93 and/or wrote a different figure, then I don't know how they could charge her card the $34.93 -- they would have to bring out the manager with a couple of unhappy-looking enforcer types in toll and have a little tête-à-tête to resolve the problem.

Edit #2 - all that said, I think she intended *not* to pay the 18% tip.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
73. No. She crossed out the $6.29 tip. The amount of $34.93 does not include the tip...
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:19 PM
Feb 2013

18% of 34.93 = 6.29

It reads like this:
Amount: 34.93
Tip: 6.29
Adt l tip: (blank)
Total 34.93.

If she had added the tip it would read:
Amount: 34.93
Tip: 6.29
Adt l tip: (blank)
Total: 41.22



progree

(10,901 posts)
80. Well, DUH, me = DUH :-( More analysis follows, hopefully with better results :)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:34 PM
Feb 2013

You are right.

I got my idea that the $34.93 included the 18% tip from here: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/pastor-tip-receipt-155914258.html

A photo of the receipt, posted to Reddit.com, shows a bill for $34.93 that included an automatic 18 percent gratuity ($6.29) above a blank space for an additional tip.

(yes, on a 2nd reading, of the above, it doesn't say the $34.93 includes the 18% tip, but rather says the BILL (the piece of paper) "included an automatic 18 percent gratuity ($6.29) above a blank space for an additional tip". )

and this from http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/tipping-pastor-apologizes-687234
Despite scratching out the tip added to the bill, Bell claimed that she left a $6 tip in cash, adding that she subsequently discovered the 18 percent gratuity had been charged to her credit card.


I should have looked more carefully (well I looked carefully and studied it and all that, but woe is me, I did not see). Apparently she lied on saying the 18 percent gratuity had been charged to her credit card (I don't know how they could have legally charged her the $41.22) ... or maybe she thought the $34.93 included the 18% gratuity. Being a Christian, she would of course not lie.



Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
74. No she didn't She crossed out the $6.29 tip which is 18% of $34.93.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:22 PM
Feb 2013

If she had paid the tip, the total would have been $41.22.

 

librabear

(85 posts)
81. I see that now
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:26 PM
Feb 2013

I just saw the zero where it said "addl tip" and thought she didn't tip above the 18%. NVM.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
28. She doesn't "give 10% to god". She gives it to her own ministry.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jan 2013

She gives 10% of the money given to her by her flock of sheep, back to herself.

LOL, religion is a hell of a racket. It's no wonder it attracts the con-artists.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
31. lol, so in a way, she was mad that the waitress was getting a higher percentage than she was
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

in her job as a preacher. No wonder why the nasty note!

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
29. God got 10%
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

not likely, probably just another scam to get money from the ignorant and avoid taxes. Deadbeats, scoundrels and guilty consciences flock to church.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
33. The pastor runs a deliverance ministry
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

which as far as I'm concerned puts her one step above mold. And her actions in this instance are completely reprehensible. Wonder what her Christ thinks of her?

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
34. Seems to me there was this guy a while back
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

who said if someone asks for your coat, give him also the shirt off your back.

He also made some comment about how, if you truly want to follow God, you should sell everything you own and give the money to the poor.

And then there was this little aside about, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Who said all that, I wonder?

Obviously not anybody this "pastor" has ever read or taken seriously.

progree

(10,901 posts)
67. More from that Middle Eastern guy back in the olden days
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:38 AM
Feb 2013

If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. [Matthew 19:21]

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.]

Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23]

You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/

TeamPooka

(24,220 posts)
40. God, I'd like to complain about one of your employees, a Pastor in St. Louis....
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jan 2013

please fire her for violating your posted corporate code of conduct.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
51. The video that was taken down
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jan 2013

of her preaching was more of a holly roller, snake charming(no snakes) but you get the idea .

The photo that I printed makes her look very thin as compared to the video. I would guess around 260 or more.

Applebee and organized religion..... yikes.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
50. What a punk.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jan 2013



She only seems to regret having been identified.
Was she at the restaurant for a meeting of the
local Young Republicans Club?




Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
53. Truthily Delivering Poverty church
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jan 2013

When I dine out, I am happy to pay the working class wait staff.
This phony needs to work on the kindness and charity thing.

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
56. Can she get the waitress another job? Has she ever been a waitress herself?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jan 2013

Pastor Bell's photo upends a lot of immediate assumptions made here at DU, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet everyone's immediate thought was "white male" -- and here we have a black female.

An unfortunately very judgmental and clueless woman. Perhaps she can learn from this experience. However I think having the entire world of the internet jumping on her at once will probably do more to crush her than it will to help her learn.

The whole thing is a shame.

In the meantime, I hope the waitress finds another job very soon -- one with a better clientele.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
61. She CLAIMS she left a $6 cash tip.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:19 PM
Jan 2013

I soooooooooooo believe that. Uh huh. Right.

And she CLAIMS her card was charged 18%. But I didn't see a receipt showing that.

Sounds like the same kind of BS she lays down every Sunday morning.

Bake

sarisataka

(18,595 posts)
62. I am so sorry I was an ass
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jan 2013

and it got out- fire the person who didn't let me keep being an ass

Apology? not so much

Natemoney2

(2 posts)
78. Misleading Title to this Story. She did NOT apologize to the server.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:20 PM
Feb 2013

It only states she had a lapse in judgement that made her look bad to her peers. Nowhere does it state she apologized for her rude and inappropriate behaviour.

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