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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy are men so angry?
We get paid more for the same work, Roman Paterfamilias never really ended, we usually don't get catcalls, and if we jog with our shirt off we aren't considered "asking to be raped."
So why are we men so angry?
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iiibbb
(1,448 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)Got it !
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)swing again
Taverner
(55,476 posts)I can make nonsensical statements too!
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)and arguing against them
Strawman defined.
I'm not going to argue about position you've assigned to me
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Newsmax and Fox news aren't reliable news sources, friendo
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)inequality is only about money, and ignores individual circumstances that may be a legitimate source of anger. For instance, not all men are on the gravy train, but may get treated as though they are. Or men who are quite equitable being treated as though they are not.
Your OP is all straw.
XRubicon
(2,241 posts)iiibbb
(1,448 posts). .. is you.
People that spend so much time finding fault in everything and everyone are bound to succeed.
Springslips
(533 posts)Period.
mythology
(9,527 posts)For example the original post.
There are a lot of reasons people might be angry in this world. For example, a person might be angry because her/his spouse died, or because he/she lost his job, or her/his dog was hit by a car.
Personally I get angry when the people I work with fail to do their jobs correctly on a regular basis and I have to go back to them and ask them to provide enough information for somebody to fix it. I get angry when I see a good deed get punished. I get angry when I can't do something to the standard I expect of myself. I get angry when I see a parent abuse their kid.
None of those have anything to do with what I get paid in comparison to others, or whether I get cat calls walking down the street. But they are valid reasons for me to get angry even though I have a penis.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I guess it's the rhetorical answer to another thread about angry feminists.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)WWRLD?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
11 Bravo
(24,305 posts)on the Greatest Page.
Hell, the point can't be argued, and I completely agree with the sentiment. But the way it was approached is just ... lazy.
Ian Iam
(386 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Sophocles's tragedy Oedipus the King.
That pretty much explains it all?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)At least about the way I'm treated by society as a whole. I think we overlook all of the good and concentrate on the bad.
I have a personal issue from my past that I am angry about, the fact that I grew up with a very abusive father. I am working through that in healthy ways with the help of a therapist.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Denninmi
(6,581 posts)Not jumping into that free for all.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)to "perform". To make as much money as possible. To climb the ladder of success. To be "the man". To be the perfect superman, in a sense. Some guys can't handle it, and if they think they are falling short or failed or failing, they go crazy. Murder, suicides, shootings, violence, then follow etc etc. That said, there is No Excuse for this kind of acting out, None whatsoever.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tough time.
i think that is the more interesting issue that i am continually paying attention to and reading about and find fascinating.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)Makes it sound like you're on a stage, or on camera, with an audience.
Bleah.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)they think about the cameras as the eyes of society watching them, and judging them. But I think the same could be said for woman as well. You stumbled into a good analogy. 
leftstreet
(40,418 posts)Just my opinion of course
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)psychosis and eventual violence, it isn't an excuse but an explanation. And there is nothing wrong with trying to understand the current state of the world; while it swings like a pendulum, it seems to be taking a wild turn in some places lately.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)you have to beat the man.
?w=600&h=450
whooo!
ecstatic
(35,064 posts)and are taking on the most financial burden. Where is the pressure?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
sadbear
(4,340 posts)
Good one. 
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
reverend_tim
(105 posts)
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Oh, wait.......
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Well, not really.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)and have an issue with your boys down there not getting out of the way, not working right afterwards causing you squash a ball every time you sit down?
That could make one mad
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Seriously, since my Vasectomy, it's ALWAYS been sore down there
Docs response? Here - take some antibiotics (?!?!?!?!?!)
snooper2
(30,151 posts)He told me about it outside smoking, back to work on a Monday after having it done on Friday..
For the next couple days every once in a while I would hear "OUCH" from a few cubes down...you feel bad but it was hard not to LOL each time 
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I bellyached all weekend so I could sit around without doing any work. Ate pizza rolls. Life was good.
reflection
(6,287 posts)After all the horror stories I've heard, I'll thank my lucky stars. Never had the slightest bit of trouble and it was the best decision I ever made.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)it was the best decision my WIFE ever made.
Just as the doctor predicted, lots more sex, and, better yet, SPONTANEOUS sex, after the big V.
reflection
(6,287 posts)but I can say that we both enjoyed it even more once the possibility of another pregnancy had been eliminated. One less thing to take of space in the back of your mind at a time when you are trying to do something very fun.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)because none of the men I hang around with (husband, son, relatives, friends, co-workers) are not angry. At least, not often.
klook
(13,587 posts)you lousy bastard!! You want a piece of me? I SAID, YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME??!?!?!?!11!!!?!?!1
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)
klook
(13,587 posts)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)[font size=1] no of course not..why would you think that? Here, I just happen to have some fresh baked cookies. They're. ..calming. Very calming. [/font]
klook
(13,587 posts)I will now step...slowly...away...from...the...coffee!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)No wonder you're angry.
klook
(13,587 posts)
Damn straight I'm angry!!1! Angry in an 8-bit sort of way, but when I get some more RAM I'll be able to get angry in 256 colors!!1!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seriously underappreciated black comedy.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Old, White Men are Angry. Their world is chaning and they are the ones being left behind. IMHO, from an HAPPY, Old. White WOMAN.
The times they are a'changing!
Taverner
(55,476 posts)11 Bravo
(24,305 posts)I've got two amazing kids, and a wife who is WAY better than I deserve!
CTyankee
(68,151 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Okay? Better now?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Well, at least until 4:20 this afternoon.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Lolololol!
Up for company?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)See ya, then. 4:20. Sharp.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)We didn't evolve working a 9 to 5, surrounded by a manufactured skyline blinding us to nature's beauty. We didn't evolve swallowing poisons, dousing ourselves 16 hours a day in artificial lighting, bathing in xenoestrogens, eating grains end on end, stripped of all control of our destiny. We didn't even evolve while making it much past 35 years old probably. We're an animal and civilization is our zookeeper. Its enough to drive a man insane.
You make references to gender issues, as if the common man rules his life because his breasts aren't constantly critiqued. No, this isn't the case. While women are subjected to gross inequality, most men are also controlled and exploited by the system to benefit the elite. We are helpless. Emasculated. Powerless. Feeble. Our brains do not know what to make of it. Our plight is unique in its own right, but surely not absent since we get paid better. Frankly, we all have it a little rough during this rough patch we call "progress".
Maybe I'm projecting
On edit: I don't necessary endorse the "angry" part of the question, but rather that something is "off". There is frustration in many men. Even sadness. Cognitive dissonance. Confusion. And yes, sometimes all of this seeps to the surface as anger, or is expressed with an aggressive male tone.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I know you're joking, but I don't think the invention of anything has really made us as satisfied as when we first came up with stone tools and spears (and really took control of our lives). Not iPods, not beds, not swiss cheese, and all that other crap we have to work a job to buy. All this shit is just here to fill a gap we are biologically yearning for that society is not fulfilling.
Blessed are the humans that have come up with philosophies to pacify such yearnings, though their actions may have fortified and unsustainable existence that could perpetuate misery through comfort by divorcing us from our nature.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Prior to capitalism man was in bondage for 9K years, more or less, to the economic engine in the name of progress. Ever since we started plowing the fields and cultivating nature, the resultant system has been cultivating mankind to better fuel its growth. You cannot grow grain by letting nature have its way with a field, and you cannot grow civilization by letting man stay in touch with his nature. There is a grand schism that gnaws on the back of our skulls while we stand divorced from what we are, dependent on a system that only needs us as long as we can produce for it
Taverner
(55,476 posts)And the way you change this is to remove authority from the picture
Flat system
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Removing authority will still necessitate that the economic system--whose main objective is to grow infinitely and increase the velocity of energy--can express itself and evolve to accomplish its goals; it is the actual authority. In any case, the very system that enslaves man and demands his labor, while robbing him of freedom and skills he needs for dependence, remains. You cannot change this state unless you fundamentally change how we organize ourselves and how we separate ourself from nature--something currently viewed as a resource for growth.
Simply making everyone work equally for each other (requiring exploitation of labor to produce an aggregate benefit and perpetual economic growth) still makes everyone work and still spoils the earth. We need to end our concept of work as we know it. We need to end our concept of growth and progress as we know it. We need to end our conception of the natural system being a resource bucket. We cannot do these things while clinging to a system that demands we work, grow and spoil the earth (even if we figure out how to tinker its authority away so it can omnipotently express its objectives directly).
So far, all such progressive tinkering of this engine has made evolve to be a ubiquitous, energy-hungry, omni-exploiting machine hurtling us toward planetary sickness. Fortunately, such discussions are near moot because we are headed in the near future to a self-destruct point.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)You know what we need? Some kind of 'fight club'...
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Anybody have a sensible answer?
edbermac
(16,437 posts)
0rganism
(25,616 posts)i really don't think the characterization of "man = angry" generalizes well to the entire male population.
Angry men are angry, and each one will have his own set of reasons (and unreasons) for it. Some reasons may be easier for another person to comprehend than others, some easier to justify. A lot of that depends on the person striving to comprehend.
To be sure, typically male problems don't include a lot of the things that affect females, but some men might be outraged by those things as well, on behalf of women.
Furthermore, even considering the things we may count as male privilege, there are plenty of problems endemic to society which still might make both men and women angry -- lack of unionization in the workforce, destruction of the environment, corruption of the food supply by GMOs, ridiculous ARMs that contribute to a high foreclosure rate, the ridiculously high cost of modern health care, school boards dominated by creationists and/or racists, etc.
There are plenty of reasons to be upset. No reason to immediately drag manhood into it.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)it stands out in this society. There was a man I met walking my dog in the neighborhood and talked to regularly. One day I met a woman with the same dog, his wife. And we talked about him a little bit. She told me he was her second husband and that he was a "great find" because he was "not angry". As soon as she said it I knew exactly what she meant.
Nobody wants to be around someone whose anger is improperly directed. And someone who is highly motivated to help others and make the world better without anger or self righteousness is really wonderful to be around.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)I think most of you have misread it. The key word is "so".
BeyondGeography
(41,066 posts)Many, that is.
ashling
(25,771 posts)
dawg
(10,777 posts)you had to listen to that smug little Peewee and his lunatic ravings out behind the firehouse.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I see what you did there
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)It only seems fair you go first since you started the thread.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'm pissed actually.
I'm mad that human beings do not treat each other equally on the merits of their character. Irrespective of gender/identity or race.
Definitely pissed off.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts) 
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...BECAUSE we usually don't get catcalls, and if we jog with our shirt off we aren't considered "asking to be raped."
DUH!
iandhr
(6,852 posts)But your point is well taken.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)When DU was a moderated forum... this would have been locked with the statement, "Copycat threads are not allowed in General Discussion."
bhikkhu
(10,789 posts)everyone's experience is different. The guys I know who are angry - and that would be a minority, even in my RW semi-rural semi-depressed town - are mostly angry about the decline of "traditional white male privilege". Few would put it that way at all, but that's what it boils down to.
The majority either never benefited enough to notice there is a decline, or are happy to see things move in the direction of equality.
flamingdem
(40,865 posts)And because you lose your head though mind you I find bald men sexy
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)It used to be polyester pants that snagged the leg hairs. Of course, nobody was forced to wear them. But the hair loss isn't by choice.
klook
(13,587 posts)... or so I've been told.
dawg
(10,777 posts)You're lucky to get 10 "wears" out of a pair before they get a hole. Used to not be that way.
And that makes me so angry!!!!
klook
(13,587 posts)with rebuttals by Bob Elliott has some hilarious Gold Toe Socks material. And lots of male anger!!1!11! 
KoKo
(84,711 posts)the SAME!
These are terrible times for the Average American...no matter who you are or your Party Affiliation...the AMERICAN DREAM has turned to DUST...and putrid in it's doing it.
Only FOOLS would say they don't see it...and only OPERATIVES from BOTH PARTIES would CONDONE IT or PRAISE what we Americans are going through ...out here on the ground...just trying to get by ...raising families, trying to keep up with relatives and their sorrows and "just getting by while waiting and hoping for a better and more Fair and Equitable System from our ELECTED FOLKS...who seem to more and more NOT CARE about US...but about their DONORS/LOBBYISTS and HOW MUCH THEY CAN MAKE...Out of "The SYSTEM."
for what's going on.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)country music exists.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)mountain mama, take me home, country road, ..... in the car driving my youngest son to school, yesterday morning.
when i was done singing, he says
i remember when i was really young and you told us if we listened to country western music you would send us to boys ranch. (a home for troubled teens in our area).
i started busting up. he was so young, like 5ish when i told the boys that. bad mom, bad. that he still remembers. lol
Rider3
(919 posts)in one way or another, and it shows in their behavior in various ways. Our society seems to have lost empathy and compassion.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)If we display any other feelings, we're branded a bunch of unmasculine wusses. 
Dash87
(3,220 posts)People are going to find something to nitpick about other people anyways. It's just the way people are. We would all be better off if we lived our lives the way we wanted to, and not be what we think others wanted us to be.
Also, the "wusses" thing is usually done by other men. It's part of our patriarchical, hyper-machismo culture.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Of course I avoid the true Neanderthal types, so maybe they are who you mean?
Unless you mean they are angry about how we are all being screwed by the right-wing - including the assault on women's rights. My husband is just as angry about that as I am.
Statements like this just reek of typecasting without actually doing anything to further the cause you are CLAIMING you wish to further... anytime you declare that men (as a group) or women (as a group) or atheists or Christians or blacks or whites (as a group) do something... you are engaging in stereotyping and that does NOTHING to further a conversation nor further the cause you are theoretically trying to further. In fact, it tends to make people "so angry" that you are not treating them like individuals and hanging the crimes and mistakes of others around their necks.
Every group has extremists and assholes and every group has good people... the key to making friends and allies to to figure out which is which and not treat them all as if they are assholes and extremists.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Why are women so complacent?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Advantage in divorce court - financially, child custody -
No one questions your woman-hood when you cry.
Checks at restaurants when dating are paid by your date (if there is to be a second one)
You get an engagement ring - he gets the bill.
If you aren't 'tall enough' the opposite sex does not ignore you.
This game goes both ways.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)who knows?
dawg
(10,777 posts) Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=2299683
Your thread is all about the stupid.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Are YOU that stupid?
I guess so...
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(3,919 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Damn! Not really.
retread
(3,919 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The timing of your thread was not unlike the silliness that normally is shunted off to The Lounge -- the copy-cat titles that are designed simply to poke fun.
Male anger was a straw man argument of yours, whereas the threads about feminist anger have substance.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)That was someone with greater sensitivities.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I just found it interesting that one would go to another forum to insult someone like that. I thought you might find it interesting, as well.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It was, indeed, interesting.
ON EDIT: I guess even Meta has its limits... though, that was not the first time I was called an asshole. (I know, you find it shocking)
Initech
(108,634 posts)
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i don't know any angry men. though granted I haven't spoken with all I know today to find out if they are pissed about anything in particular at the moment. but i don't know any men I would describe as "angry" people generally. so perhaps you should just be more discriminating with regards to whom you chose to associate.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts) 
Zorra
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flvegan
(66,234 posts)Question fails on it's face.
Try again, Tav. And try not to attempt to insult me via inbox before doing so, as I owned you last time. And will again.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)A lot of what you perceive as sexism is merely manipulation by the powerful wealthy. It is just one of many massive wedge issue to pit women vs. men, religious vs. secular, right vs. left, etc. so that the wealthy continue to become more wealthy. The wealthy are few, and thus subject to the judgment of the less wealthy. Unless of course they can manipulate the less wealthy to be on their side, and that's where the War on Women is so useful.
"Old white men" are "angry" because mouthpieces for the moneyed elite like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News incite their anger. They present a world view where white men are losing authority and are oppressed by women and minorities. Karl Rove wrote the playbook on this. Do you think he is concerned with whether some poor woman in Arkansas gets an abortion? He sees the deaths of thousands in war as nothing but a political benefit, so I doubt he cares about the life of a fetus. It's a game to accumulate power for those like the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, the defense and oil industry magnates, etc. to keep their money and ensure it grows (even when it should shrink, they have government bailouts to insure them against any major losses.)
Am I saying there is no sexism? Of course not. But it would affect you far less or not at all without the wealthy elites (who frankly don't give a fuck about guns, gods, gays, fetuses, condoms and vaginas) who fund the media and politicians, and ultimately whose money and influence turn the "anger" of men into laws that discriminate against women. Not their women, of course, because they always have the money to evade these pesky laws to which the rest of us are subject. It's all just a way for them to get enough people on the side of the wealthy by using other wedge issues in association to keep and grow their wealth.
Without this manipulation, many of these "angry men" might realize that due to the fact that most of them aren't multimillionaires, it would benefit them to vote for Democrats rather than Republicans. And that's the important issue, not catcalls, because most women won't receive a catcall, and for most it will be a momentary annoyance, but her economic disadvantage will affect her for her entire life, and her lack of healthcare might cause her to live a shorter, more painful life.