Notice to the Democratic party....

[BooScout]

Dear Democratic party,

I realize it's early days yet.......but I'd like to put you on notice. There is a distinct possibility that Hillary Clinton will make a run for the White House in 2016. She hasn't announced and isn't likely to for sometime.......but Super Pacs are forming and there's lots going on behind the scenes. In the event she really doesn't run, you're in the clear Democratic party......BUT if she announces (and I think she will), I am putting you on notice that I and many others who support Clinton will not stand still for the tactics that played out during the Democratic Primaries last time around.

I will not stand by and allow attacks on Hillary Clinton's character. I will not stand by if I see misogynist remarks from other Democrats. I will not stand by as back room deals are made to threaten super delegates to switch their support. I will not stand by as various Democrats start backstabbing to try and gain control of the Democratic Party and set it marching to their own agenda. I will not stand by if all the bullshit, lies, sexist remarks and rancor, media hype, etc gets thrown out there again.

I have a long memory. I have supported the causes and agenda of the Democratic party for a long time now. I realize there will be many candidates initially in the fray.......but let's face it Clinton is a a big name and she's a front runner. If I see all the guns blazing for her in the same manner of the last primaries ....I and many others are going to come out swinging and this time we will not back down or shut up 'for the good of the party'.

And one more thing............don't start telling us that Clinton will be too old or throw out the old SCOTUS consolation prize. If she decides to run then I am behind her 100%. The job she's done the past 4 years as SOS is beyond astounding. After 8 years of GWB destroying America's reputation around the world..........she has managed to restore it in 4 years..........and traveled over a million miles to do it. She was a damned good Senator and IMHO the best SOS this country has had in my lifetime. If she runs for President, she's got my vote and I've got her back. I won't put up with all the nasty BS from last time. I won't put up with any of it.

You're on notice.

[TwilightGardener]

1. LOL. I'm neither for nor totally against at this point, but this is just silly.

[DemocratsForProgress]

9. That's a very polite word

for it...

[hfojvt]

73. some are probably prepared to be NBC and others ABC

just like last time

Nobody But Clinton

and

Anybody But Clinton


I still fall into the ABC camp.

Not that it matters anyway, since Obama has already screwed us beyond recovery. That Pandora's box cannot be closed and the evil put back inside. So we might as well elect another moderate Republican President in 2016 just like we did in 2008.

[BlueCaliDem]

85. So you're an ABD - Any But Democrat. Got it! eom

[hfojvt]

86. armageddon it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022085948

[HERVEPA]

2. Well, OK. I'll steer clear of you. You sound scary.

[sadbear]

3. Hillary would have lost in '08.

[Control-Z]

11. Hillary would have lost to gramps and sarah baracuda?

I can't imagine.

[sadbear]

19. You assume gramps would haved chosen sarah baracuda is he were running against Hillary.

President Obama changed the dynamic of the election in a way that Hillary just could not. Gramps wouldn't have needed a hail mary in that situation. Sarah wouldn't have been on that ticket.

[Control-Z]

35. McCain's campaign was a losing one

from the start. What makes you think he would not have made the same desperate move against Hillary? He would have needed a "baracuda" for very similar reasons. In fact, running against a woman candidate, he would have probably thought he needed her more.

[sadbear]

38. It was a losing campaign because of candidate Obama.

Republicans were already gelled in opposition to Hillary. They have always hated her and didn't have a problem hating a woman. A black man, though, gave them trouble because while a lot of them are racist, they didn't want to come across that way. Barack Obama, whom I supported 100% then and 100% now, was a curveball they didn't know how to hit.

[Control-Z]

39. I believe you are mistaken.

Just my opinion.

[angel123]

12. maybe she would have lost, but

I believe a lot of the angst against Hillary in 2008, was that no should bother to run because she was being crowned the winner. Now,I hope that we don't have these silly and ultimately defeating battles in the party in 2014. We need to be committed to party unity, if we are to beat the Republicans. They will put up many obstacles for Democrats to overcome. Let's not throw down ultimatums and cause fractions in the party.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

16. No way! There was only one meaningful election in '08 ...

... and it was the Democratic primary. Republicans were doomed, self-disqualified.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. I think she would've won. McCain ran a horrible campaign...

But I don't think she would've won reelection in 2012.

[Control-Z]

37. How can you say that?

"But I don't think she would've won reelection in 2012."

There is no possibly way to know how her first term would have gone.

[Drunken Irishman]

42. It's an opinion.

Notice I didn't say, "she would not have won reelection, tho." I said, "But I don't think she would've won reelection."

[Control-Z]

43. I'm still curious

about how you reached that opinion.

[Drunken Irishman]

44. Okay...

I think Barack Obama is a far more likable figure than Hillary. I get some might be inclined to point to the fact she has a higher approval than him right now, but in a role that didn't necessarily thrust her into the spotlight at every turn (Benghazi aside). I think that approval was instrumental in getting him reelected in tough economic conditions. I do not think any president could have won that last election - but Obama, who's generally well liked, was given a second chance by the American people because they want him to succeed.

Had Clinton won the nomination in 2008, I think her popularity struggles similar to how it struggled before she lost the nomination. Back then, she was a very divisive figure and I don't see how that eases up in the general. Though she defeats McCain, probably rather easily, her approval ceiling is much less than Obama's and the honeymoon far shorter (remember, Obama held approval of 50-plus into 2010). I don't know if she would have advocated for a bigger stimulus - or even as large of a stimulus. That might be what defines her presidency. But because the economy was so battered, I think, best case scenario, the economy is in a near-similar spot it has been in the past four years.

Because of that, I'm skeptical her approval would've withheld like Obama's. Even her husband's tanked into the 30s in 1994 - two years before the election. He was able to regain his footing with an improving economy and triangulation, but the damage at the time left many doubting his chances. That never happened for Obama. While the Democratic brand took a hit in 2010, Obama's approval has never really settled in below 45% nationally on average - though, there are some polls that put it there.

With her approval slumping, and an economy slowly improving, I think she would've faced a far bigger uphill battle than Obama in the election.

The best thing for Hillary's career might've been losing to Barack Obama. It allowed her to rehabilitate her image in a lot of American's minds. Prior to that loss, she was a near 50/50 figure - 50% loved her and 50% loathed her. There wasn't many indifferent people when it came to Hillary. Today? That's changed. Which has allowed her to be looked at differently and with more respect than this figure many felt was only in her position because she was the wife of Bill Clinton.

It's why if she runs again in 2016, I think she can win. But 2012, and four years as the head (wo)man of the nation would've probably been a more toxic landscape for her - not just among Democrats (even Obama had his rough spots with libs and look at how many here are freaking out about her 'potential' run), but also average Americans, who've probably been won over a bit these past four years. Well, it's easier to win 'em over when you're not constantly in the spotlight taking the hits Obama has, showing great leadership internationally and really forging your own path.

I don't think she would've been able to do that had she won in 2008. I think she'd still be seen as the divisive figure with very high negative numbers and that would've only been amplified as president - when you're a lightning rod for every petty attack.

[Little Star]

78. I call bullpucky on that. Nice try though.

[msongs]

4. if she wants the nomination she willl have to earn it....just like others running nt

[liberal_at_heart]

5. I went to my first and only primary in '08

I can't stand how people try to bully you into changing your vote. My vote is my vote and I will not have other people tell me how to vote. At this point, I'm unsure about how I feel about Hillary. She was my pick last time, but I've always felt uneasy about how much money she has taken from lobbyists. I guess I will have to wait and see. I do love how she handles herself when the GOP tries to bring her down. But that in and of itself is not the only thing to consider.

[Enrique]

6. I see it different

you are painting a picture of hostility between the Democratic party and Hillary supporters. I see the party as being firmly behind Hillary, and if there would be any problem it would more likely be the party leaning on non-Hillary candidates to move aside.

[BooScout]

8. I hope you're right.....

But replies on this thread already give me pause to think otherwise.

[HERVEPA]

14. The replies are reflections of the tone of the post, not of feelings about Hillary

[BlueStreak]

7. There's 30 seconds I'll never get back. I will not make that mistake again.

[hlthe2b]

10. I'm a big Hillary fan, but this is ridiculously provocative... Give it a rest, kindly...

[Bigmack]

13. If she runs...

... she will win.

I will vote for her for none of the rational reasons.

I will vote for her because the Freeper heads will explode.

And the Repub party - in its present level of whackiness - will die.

[BlueCaliDem]

87. Yep. If she runs, she will win.

I will vote for her this time around. My biggest beef with her was her IWR vote and her husband, former President Clinton's, support of the Iraq invasion (as most high-placed Democrats had).

But I believe she's learned from it since.

Also, she'll have the Obama campaign backing her. I don't see how she will lose if he could win with pretty much dismal unemployment numbers and the unprecedented obstructionism that's brought this country nearly to a standstill that's hurt millions of Americans. Also, Hillary believes in universal health care and she won't do anything to undermine ObamaCare. I believe she would make an excellent president now. Not back in 2009, but in 2016 she will shine.

[Wait Wut]

15. Notice to BS

I will not be threatened, coerced nor bullied into supporting Hillary Clinton. I didn't vote for her the first time around and will only vote for her if she runs against someone less competent. This is not because she is a woman (I'm a woman) or too old (I'm climbing that hill). It's because I haven't looked into the crystal ball to see if she'll be the most attractive candidate or if she'll even BE a candidate. Before you get all anti-misogynistic on me, I'm using the word 'attractive' in the overall sense, not physical.

During the '08 primaries, I was attacked for supporting some unknown black guy 'just because he's black' (I'm white...couldn't figure that one out). I was called a traitor to my gender for not supporting Clinton. The slap goes both ways, my friend.

See you in '16. That's like...3+ years from now. Lots to do in the meantime, y'know?

[HappyMe]

18. Well said.

I agree 100%.

[BooScout]

21. Did I threaten you?

No I did not. I am putting the Democratic party on notice that that I won't accept the rancor of the last primaries and the attacks on Hillary's character. No where did I tell you or anyone else who to vote for...........but you sure read a lot into it that wasn't there.

[HERVEPA]

24. Using rancor does not help to tone down rancor

[BooScout]

30. I thought you were steering clear of me....

Obviously you're not as skeered as you profess to be.

[HERVEPA]

31. Uh, that was clearly sarcasm

and seriously, the tone of your comment IS what's provoking the reaction, not dislike of Hillary.
If she's the Democratic candidate, I'll vote for her.
If there's a more liberal candidate in the Democratic primaries who has a genuine chance of winning in the general election, I'll vote for her or him.

[glowing]

45. I hate to say it, but most of politics is playing on one's feelings about a candidate's character.

Its the reason the campaign's build a brand and tell a story. Mitt had such a crappy, shitty character and background story that most weren't really "for him". Obama and Clinton was racuous, but obviously if they came together, so can we once a primary is finished out. There were a few low blows flung from the Clinton camp as well. One good thing, either way, they were both well vetted and there wasn't much left for the Republican's to dirty trick on the General Trail.

[JTFrog]

59. A politician's character is fair game.

Attacking gender, age, race would be bigotry. But a politician's record and character are pretty much what they run on.

[quinnox]

17. you sound almost like a mafia enforcer

damn. "Support Hillary, or else!" A horse's head in the bed.

[BooScout]

25. really?

Care to point out to where I said support her or else? I merely said I wasn't prepared to put up with the nasty attacks on her character, etc. No where did I suggest or tell people who to vote for. Thanks for not taking the time to read with comprehension.

[quinnox]

28. Your OP comes across that way

even if the words aren't used, it has a very distinct tone of unpleasantness and "or else!" about it. What, are you chief enforcer for Hillary?

[BooScout]

33. really?

You're replies come across as not bothering to understand what you read in the OP. I guess we're even then.

[tularetom]

22. Two things

First of all, I disagree with your comment that Ms Clinton has "managed to restore (America's reputation) in 4 years as SOS". In my opinion the President of the United States restored it. She was a great help to be sure, but the accomplishment was primarily Mr Obama's.

Secondly, if she is the nominee of the party I will vote for her without question, even though I have misgivings about letting Bill Clinton anywhere near the White House ever again. If she has primary opposition, I'll have to see. Depends on who else is running.

And oh yeah, there's one other things. You probably need to chill out a little bit. It's about 1380 days until the next presidential election and if you stay this pissed off for that long you'll stroke out.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

23. You're on notice.

I will not set by and allow dirty tactics allowed to be used on Joe Biden.

I will not stand for the same attacks on him that you mentioned above.

He is the best one for the job in my opinion and I have his back. As you stated about not putting up with nasty BS about her, I won't about Biden.

[BooScout]

26. Neither will I.......

I like Biden. He has my vote if Clinton doesn't run and he does run. I'm not telling anyone how to vote.........I'm merely saying I won't put up with the caca that went down the pike last time.

[HERVEPA]

32. Serious qustion: What does "putting up with it" mean in this context

[Auntie Bush]

93. Can't we as Democrats say nice things about both of them?

I will support Biden to the end if he wins the nomination...same goes for Hillary, however I prefer her. Doesn't mean I have to /want/will say anything negative about Biden for the Thugs to use against him should he be our candidate. Why does it have to be one or the other until they are personally running against each other?

[Zen Democrat]

27. I'm fine with Hillary, BUT, I'll support the most liberal candidate. Hillary a bit hawkish for me.

[Control-Z]

29. I know exactly how you feel, BooScout.

I left DU for a while in 08 because of how badly I was treated for being a Hillary supporter. I'm going to try not to think about 2016 for as long as possible. A lot can happen in 4 years. One thing for sure, though. I don't want to see a primary fight between her and Joe Biden. They are two of my favorite people. I adore them both and would be devastated to see either of them get beat up.

[Auntie Bush]

58. I left for a couple years too for the same reason.

But I soon backed Obama after Hillary bowed out...just like SHE did. I became 100% pro Obama and always will. I've never said a disparaging comment about him in over 4 years and I will back Hillary... should she run... with the same enthusiasm and loyalty.

I will change my avatar soon...but right now polar bears need my support more. lol

[Control-Z]

96. I did much the same.

It took a bit before I felt enthusiatic but I fully supported our democratic candidate Barack Obama. Before long I was standing up for him. He won me over completely by the end of his first term. His positions on women's rights and LGBT issues alone were enough for me to support him enthusiatically and donate to his 2012 campaign

[Control-Z]

98. I did much the same.

It took a bit before I felt enthusiastic but I fully supported our democratic candidate Barack Obama. Before long I was standing up for him. He won me completely over during his first term. Like you, I will put everything into supporting Hillary if she runs. I just really don't want to think about it for a while.

[Cynicus Emeritus]

34. The media is already trying to hype 2014 because it makes them tons of money

I'm not going to bite. Talk to me in two - three years years. I don't want to hear about the next election.

[RC]

36. I guess you missed the memo... and the news item.

Hilliary has publicly stated that she is disinclined to run.
Besides, do you really want another 3rd way advocate as President? Or should we wait to see who actually throws their hat into the ring?

[TheKentuckian]

40. Oh noes!!! Notice!!!

Do what ya feel!

I do not support Clinton or any other corporate enabler. Your notice can go to the devil.

[Kingofalldems]

41. No Democrat should ever be attacked on DU

At least on a personal level.

[CANDO]

46. It's called a campaign.

I resent anyone, man or woman, who thinks I owe them my vote. Mrs. Clinton made that mistake once. I don't think she'll make it again. She may earn my vote in '16. We'll see...

[BooScout]

48. No one said you owed anyone a vote.....

You pulled that one out of thin air. No one said to vote for her. The OP merely pointed out that I didn't like the tone of the politics inside the Democratic party last time around and neither did many others.

[ZombieHorde]

47. You won't stand by? What will you do? nt

[BooScout]

49. I could vote green

It's a liberal party and it holds many of my views.

[Nye Bevan]

50. I think a strongly worded, no holds barred, OP on DU,

is what the poster has in mind.

And I mean *very* strongly worded.

They have been warned.

[cantbeserious]

51. So - If There Is A Better Candidate Than Clinton - You Would Deny The Country A Better President?

eom

[Auntie Bush]

61. There is no better candidate than Hillary, (except for Biden if she doesn't run)

There is no one on the horizon that has her experience in either party. Someone out of nowhere is not going to better suited to be president...they can't get the necessary experience by 2016. Considering they will have to start campaigning by 2014...that doesn't give them much time.

[cantbeserious]

62. That Is Your Opinion And Your Opinion Only - Not Everyone Will Agree With That Opinion

eom

[Auntie Bush]

63. LOL,Lol, lol Isn't everything ever posted on any thread their opinon?

Who goes around posting someone else's opinion? You comment was totally unnecessary.

[cantbeserious]

64. Disagree - The Tone Of The Original Post Was Intransigence - That Typically Sets Poorly With Many

eom

[coalition_unwilling]

80. Do you really think Elizabeth Warren would have voted to authorize a war

on Iraq BASED ON LIES????

[BooScout]

68. It's not about who you vote for....

The OP is about the tone of the discussion and the tone of the campaign.

Personally, I don't think there's a better candidate than Clinton......but that's JMHO.

[cantbeserious]

72. As Stated Up-Thread - The OP Was One Of Intransigence - Hillary Or Else - That Does Not Sit Well

eom

[BooScout]

74. And as I stated.....no it wasn't....

That's your 'spin' on it. You're flat out wrong.

[cantbeserious]

76. Well Then - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree

eom

[leveymg]

52. "You're either with us or against us."

[Auntie Bush]

53. What you said! +100,000,000

[Mass]

54. Hopefully that was sarcasm.

Otherwise, it does not show a huge confidence in Hillary's abilities if you need to threaten people.

[Jennicut]

55. The last paragraph of the OP is all opinion.

Others may have different opinions. She is a bit hawkish for my tastes. But hey, it's just my "opinion".

[Seeking Serenity]

56. Criminey. We're only three months after the last presidential election

Can we give the electioneering just a little rest? 2016 is THREE YEARS AWAY. The permanent, never-ending, relentless, unyielding, unceasing campaign season is really getting tiring.

JMHO. YMMV.

[yourout]

57. How about we wait until(if) she announces before we go bat shit crazy around here?

[Arcanetrance]

60. Sorry I can't support Hillary

She represents an old guard that needs to go away politicians sucking for the last couple decades at the breast of corporate money and financing. She brings nothing new to the table just the status quo. There's are those of us that want real change back to real progressive values.

[Auntie Bush]

92. Who do you have in mind for that job?

If you're thinking of Warren...I like her too and would be happy to vote for her in 2024. By then she will have 8 more years of experience and hopefully get up on some foreign affairs...which she now lacks. So why not Hillary now and Elizabeth next? Then we'd have 16 years of Democratic control. We need to keep those ReThugs out of office for as long as possible...they're truly dangerous! Also we have to remember... unfortunately we have to compromise and win elections and get our bills past. That's a bummer but that's life!

[Arcanetrance]

95. To be honest I really don't know whom I would support currently

I would vote for Hillary if she was nominated by the party. I would like to see Warren get some national experience and run one day

[woo me with science]

65. No more supporting corporatists and warmongers. nt

[rsmith6621]

66. WHY CANT WE FIRST WORK ON WINNING IN 2014

Before we worry about the POTUS in 2016.... This country needs DEMS to take back control of both houses by an unquestionable majority so this country can get back on its feet.

Hilary......Biden....ect ect .....they are not my concern just now.

[woo me with science]

67. What we need to work on

is getting the money out of the electoral system and our government.

The current system ensures the election of corporate Democrats who are part of the problem.

[great white snark]

69. You really don't like Democrats winning do you?

Your pure candidate would have no experience and zero chance of winning anything. It's easy for you 3rd partiers with no restraints of responsibility...you don't care if your virtuous endeavors lead to Republican majorities. We Democrats do care.

[woo me with science]

70. ...

Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Maintaining Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act,
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public support for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA and the new CISPA-like executive order
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize such spying
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Supporting a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans, while the
Bush tax cuts were extended for billionaires.
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with no mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Growth of the power of lobbyists to prevent government regulation of corporations.
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools

[LWolf]

90. Winning?

I'll work to make sure my senator is re-elected; that's a win.

I'll desperately support whoever is willing to run against my rep in the house. Defeat him? If you can find a way to oust Greg Walden, let me know. EXCEPT by having him run against Merkley for the senate, a rumor that is currently floating.

A "win" is the election of a left-leaning, non-neoliberal candidate. Just how many of those do you think there will be to support? Find some, and I'll work on it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. I think Hillary makes a fine, if overdue, retiree.

[Romulox]

75. Hillary isn't qualified for the Supreme Court. Be for real. nt

[coalition_unwilling]

77. I guess that means you're giving her a pass for her vote to authorize

Operation Shocking and Awful. Oh well, what do the lives of 1,000,000+ Iraqis cut short by violence due to lies voted for by Hillary really matter?

On edit: what a hateful OP. If Hillary can't stand the heat, she should get the fuck out of the kitchen (to quote Harry S. Tuman).

[BooScout]

79. Oh good grief....

Obama voted for funding on the Iraq war just as Clinton and many other Democrats did. So you gave him a pass on that then?


On on your edit? It's exactly that type of mysoginist shit like "If Hillary can't stand the heat, she should get the fuck out of the kitchen" that I am talking about in the OP. Your true colors are showing.

[coalition_unwilling]

81. Obama was not in the U.S. Senate when the vote to authorize the

invasion and occupation of Iraq occured in 2002.

In fact, Obama spoke out against the war when it was very politically risky to do so.

The blood of 1,000,000+ Iraqis drip, drip, drips from Hillary's hands (not that she spends a second thinking about them, as to her they are all pawns on a global chessboard).

I'll vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat. What I won't vote for is someone who voted for a war based on lies and never once recanted her vote. Not once. There's a word for that . . . SOCIOPATH (kind of like you, the OP, come to think of it).

[BooScout]

100. Sociopath?

LOL.............you really need to get a grip. Calling Clinton and me for that matter a SOCIOPATH is just astounding.......not to menton a bit idiotitc.

[coalition_unwilling]

108. I'm not the one who voted to invade and occupy a country based

entirely on lies and then failed to renounce my earlier vote once the extent of the lies was apparent. Only led to the deaths of 1,000,000+ Iraqis who would otherwise be alive but, hey, to someone like Hillary, they are simply 'pawns.'

So, yeah, "sociopath" seems entirely appropriate. If she's the nominee in 2016, I'll be leaving the Dem Party once and for all and won't be back. (I've voted Dem in every election since 1980 until 2012.) Because the Dem Party and I will have reached an unbridgeable chasm at that point.

[SidDithers]

82. Wow. It's PUMA time again already?...nt

Sid

[Scurrilous]

99. Glory Days!

[bluestate10]

83. I agree with you 100%. There is going to be a fight if some on DU persist in their limited

views. In the Obama-Clinton fight of 2008, they won because big money democrats sided with them. This time around, big money democrats will be on my side. Alone, dollar for dollar, people like me would have overwhelmed them, but we couldn't stay on par with the big money.

Hillary Clinton is an outstanding SOS. She was an outstanding Senator on the great majority of her votes. She will be one of our great Presidents. And to have her following President Obama is critically important for moving the country forward.

[MineralMan]

84. I see you live in Wales, now.

Where are you registered to vote? Will your primary vote make any difference?

I ask because your threat may well be a hollow one. 2016 will be its own year, with its own candidates. Hillary might be one of them, should she decide to run. If she is, I guarantee that her age and other things will come up during the primary campaign. They just will, despite your objections. So, where your voter registration is will make a big difference in whether your opinion matters much.

You may not put up with something, but will that have any effect? I doubt it very much.

[BooScout]

101. I can vote absentee in Georgia.

Last time I checked I was still a US citizen.

[northoftheborder]

88. This is a reply to BooScout

Your every word imprinted deeply in my psyche. I share your every sentiment. I have kept silent, depressed, bitter memories of the '08 primary "games" to myself, particularly the behind-the-scenes manipulation of the delegate count (which were actually made public if one even half tried to look). Hillary Clinton has enough enemies from the right wing, who are still there, ready to start slinging at the instant. If the Democratic Party starts going after her again, I will resign membership in that party, and never support any of them again. Sometimes, I think the DNC is just as corrupt as the RNC.

[Spirochete]

89. No time to waste...

Better get those PUMA II T-shirts printed up, just in case it doesn't work out that way. After all, the next election is just around the corner.

[MadHound]

91. Frankly, if Hillary gets the nod in '16, I will take my vote elsewhere.

I made the mistake of falling for the first Clinton, twice, back in the nineties, and watched as he shredded the social safety net, deregulated the financial market, and shipped our manufacturing sector overseas(among many other sins). I will not vote against my own self interest again by voting for another Clinton. It's that simple.

[JVS]

94. Oh good God, DU3 and its jury system is going to be a fucking spectacle to behold come primaries.

[theKed]

97. This, more or less.

http://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/now+divide+by+zero+_9ec1026592d14e99c8cdc7eef9b998b1.jpg

[JNelson6563]

102. What a bad-ass YOU are!

I'm sure the DNC's been shitting themselves and clutching their heads since the moment you hit "Post" on this (self) important piece (of nonsense).

Still not over the '08 primaries, eh? Time to let go friend. What say we get through the mid terms and maybe loosen the clutch on the many states the GOP has in a stranglehold before we get all tough and start throwin' down for the '16 primaries, hmmm?

Julie

[limpyhobbler]

103. LOL who's trying to "gain control of the Democratic Party and set it marching to their own agenda"

That's exactly what you're trying to do. I'm sick of Hillary. She's washed up. Too much baggage. FWIW I've got a framed picture of me shaking hands with Hillary Clinton hidden in the back of my closet.

She's such a phony baloney. I'm sick of her. Don't think you're going to steamroll over everybody and walk to the nomination without a real fight that raises all the important issues.

[patrice]

105. Agree. Would you please read my post #104 below? Thanks. nt

[patrice]

104. Sorry, but I'm still trying to figure out how someone not posting under his/her real name

could possibly think so many thousands of other people, who also are not posting under their own names, are what they claim to be and are not just trying to divide people, just like any OP from anyone not posting under his/her own name.

Aren't you just asking for it?

Why would you do that?

Not that you are, necessarily, but that IS a possibility, don't you agree? And if you recognize it as a possibility, why would you do it, since that possibility creates the very thing that you SAY you don't want?

Or do you?

Take a step back from yourself and take a look at how your post looks.

[patrice]

106. Notice to BooScout and there's no "Dear" about it: I will damn well say what I think, whenever,

whyever, whatever that is.

p.

[patrice]

107. And I think Hillary needs to take a hard LEFT, if she wants a little less scrutiny from me. nt