NJ School Implements 'No Cursing' Rule But Only for Girls

[PeaceNikki]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/NJ-School-Implements-No-Cursing-Rule-But-Only-for-Girls-189514501.html

A teacher who organized the campaign says that while males weren't asked to take the vow, they have been asked not to swear when girls are near.

Female students at a Catholic high school in northern New Jersey have taken a “no-cursing” pledge at the request of school administrators, though some question why no such demand was made of male students.

Lori Flynn, a teacher who organized the campaign at Queen of Peace High School in North Arlington, told The Record of Woodland Park there is no double-standard. She says that while males weren't asked to take the vow, they have been asked not to swear when girls are near.

Flynn says school officials want “ladies to act like ladies.” And Brother Larry Lavallee, the school's principal, says girls have the foulest language.

Many girls said they would try to follow the pledge they took Friday morning, even though they believe it should apply to all students.

As a lady I say, from the bottom of my heart: "Fuck them and fuck that".

[enlightenment]

1. I'll second your last statement.

Now I'm going to bang my head against a wall.

[PeaceNikki]

3. My blood boils when religious organizations try to define what a 'lady' is. FUCK them

They do not treat women as equals.

[Deep13]

40. Especially one run by celibate men. nt

[Jim Lane]

44. Well, to be fair, they're not ALL celibate. (n/t)

[Deep13]

45. Yes, I quite forgot.

Those guys are definitely the ones I want teaching young people.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Their parents need to get involved.

I went to a boys high school that had gone co-Ed two years before I attended. Boys to girl ratio in my class was 4:1.

Our parents got ticked that the boys didn't have color restrictions on their uniforms but we did. So our parents got involved along with some of the younger priests and changed our dress color code. We still had to wear dress pants or skirts (knee length) and dress shirts - but we could wear any colors but neons or prints (late 80's).

It's a small victory - but a victory just the same.

If the girls get organized and get their TUITION PAYING parents involved they can make it so the boys have to take the pledge too.

BTW - swearing in my high school resulted in JUG - not a simple detention - but JUG. Don't look left, don't look right, just sit and stare for 45 minutes after school. I'm very familiar with Father' Al's "justice under god"!

And Father Al was the first person the JUG crew went to - and he went to bat for us. Along with the Dean of Men.

You don't ask - you don't get.

[Gormy Cuss]

4. Fucking +1

[justabob]

5. what-the-fuck-ever

I will join you, as a lady: "Fuck them and fuck that".

[cloudbase]

6. The really good ones

can curse without even taking the cigarette from their lips.

[Ztolkins]

27. Hah, best post of the day

Kudos

[ReRe]

30. ;-)

[bluedigger]

7. Discriminatory in the worst way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2301401

[PeaceNikki]

9. Awesome, thanks! I come from a long line of potty mouths.

[bluedigger]

10. Validating, isn't it?

[PeaceNikki]

11. Yes, the documentary "Fuck" is also.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486585/

[randome]

8. I was going to say, "Well, that won't last long."

Then I saw it was a Catholic school. The stupid...it burns.

[phantom power]

12. imagine that, the Catholic church is involved

Fighting Progress For 1500 Years (tm)

[Arugula Latte]

16. Yep. The Catholic Church: Centuries of Fighting to Keep Women as Second-Class Citizens

[smirkymonkey]

57. Grrrrr! The Catholic Church makes me sick.

[TeeYiYi]

13. "girls have the foulest language. "...

That is the truth!

TYY

[Nika]

43. One thing I notice is the graffiti in the ladies loo is much more focused,

cutting, nasty, and more interesting to read then that in the men's.* Though there is usually less of it.

I generally prefer well thought out and calm insults to a generic, "he's a stoopid fucker" etc. etc. sort of insult anyway. I know more women who are masters of that art form then men.

*Just ohe things whose of us who have done janotirial work know of human nature.

[mopinko]

14. what the fuck?

fuck that +1,000,000.

[loudsue]

15. Wow! All the screwed up messages this sends to girls AND boys is just awful.

Holy shit.

[randome]

17. Hey. Watch your language.

[TeamPooka]

18. fucking sexist hypocrisy

[barbtries]

19. omigawd

we haven't come that far apparently. they said there was no double standard, what a joke.
as a woman i say fuck them and fuck that.

[freshwest]

20. Your tax dollars at work. Can't find the pie graph on percentage of income from taxpayers, though.

But you can be sure, we are paying for it.

[Nye Bevan]

21. I must admit, I don't swear when ladies or children are within earshot.

Am I hopelessly old-fashioned?

[PeaceNikki]

25. Maybe? But that's not the point of contention, you know?

It's that girls had to VOW to not curse at at while boys were asked not to curse in front of girls. Different standards, different expectations and, worst of all, the Catholic church trying to define what a 'lady' is after their centuries of and continual oppression of women.

[ljm2002]

58. Yes, you are...

...although I think it's a good policy not to swear around children, it is absurd to treat women as though their tender l'il ears have never heard swear words. We must live in different worlds. In my world, the women can easily hold their own with the boys when it comes to cussing.

I have NO problem with you having and living by your own policy on this. But to have a school say that girls can't swear, while boys can (although not around girls), that is way over the line.

Of course, we are talking about a Catholic school here. So it's not that surprising. But still fucking infuriating.

[DebJ]

22. This is the same logic as telling young women

to not make themselves susceptible to rape, but not saying
to the guys, you just don't rape, not ever.

Burden of responsibility on the women............
and/or no trust in the ability of men to control themselves.

[mbperrin]

23. My grandmother was the first person I ever heard say "fuck you".

It was on the phone to my elementary school principal who had given us group punishment for one guy pushing in line. My little granny didn't like that and got him on the line.

This was in 1964, and I learned something important about standing up to people in authority when they are wrong.

Thanks, granny, and fuck these bastards in NJ!

[Initech]

24. Fuck that shit!

[WinstonSmith4740]

26. It's all bullshit...

I can agree that girl's mouths these days are every bit as bad as the boys. But to want the girls to act like ladies, but at the same time NOT demand the boys act like gentlemen is sexist and a double standard. If we tried this in the public school systems, parents would be all over us.

[Wolf Frankula]

28. To Quote My High School Baseball Coach

"You kids have got to stop your goddam swearing!"

Thing was, he was serious.

Wolf

[tblue37]

29. I believe the proer locution is

"F**k that s**t!"

(Sorry--I do curse sometimes in real life, but I somehow feel the need to do a bit of "bleeping" when posting online.)

[Stonepounder]

31. I'll probably get flamed for this...

When I was growing up in the 50's I was taught to NEVER swear in front of my mother, or women in general. To this day, I don't swear in front of other women (with the exception of my wife, who hears me swear at my computer, and occasionally at some governmental idiocy). I'm sure it is a generational thing. My gandchildren (10 & 12 yeas old) have leaned not to swear in our house.

I know that the rules have changed, but I still get a jolt when I hear some pre-teen girls walking through the mall, conversing. The language they use today is much more graphic that even us pre-juvenile deliquents used when we were out on the corner catching a forbidden cigarette. Personally, I would prefer that we were all more civil in our discourse, but that's just me. Of course my generation also wore a tie to work every day (even in the lowliest of office jobs), called our superiors Mr/Miss/Mrs and would never dream of swearing at work. Our friends parents were also Mr. and Mrs., and any adult we didn't know was addressed as Sir or M'am.

I sometimes wonder if we lost something when we lost our civility. But, then I'm just an old fart and looking back I remember the good stuff and blot out the bad.

[PeaceNikki]

32. Tell me about all of the awesome women's rights of the 50's....

oh, wait...

Work
In the 1950s professional jobs were still largely closed off to women. It was not unusual for companies to have a written policy that stated that women should be paid less than men. On average, women earned only 60 percent of what men did. In addition, many women faced pressure from their families to stay home and not work at all outside the home. By 1960 only 3.5 percent of lawyers and 2 percent of business executives were women. By comparison, in 2005 30 percent of all lawyers were women, and 73 percent of women were working in "white collar" jobs. Since 1982 women have earned more university degrees than men -- as of 2004 they earned 58 percent of all bachelor's and master's degrees and 44 percent of all doctoral degrees.

Home
In addition to facing family and social pressures to stay home, cook and raise children, women's rights in the home were severely limited. In many states women's property rights were still restricted. In some states women could not make contracts, including wills. They also could not sell property and in many cases they could not control their own earnings. All of these were the legal right of the woman's husband or father.

In almost every state, men had the right to have sex with their wife any time they wanted to, with or without her consent. There was, in other words, no such thing as rape if a couple was married, and any form of birth control was still illegal in many places. The combination of these two meant that a woman was almost legally obligated to have children if her husband wanted them.



Read more: Women's Rights in the 1950s | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8147784_womens-rights-1950s.html#ixzz2JroHIVUP

[Stonepounder]

49. Please note the last sentence of my post.

Yeah, I remember. Not only am I old enough to remember Sir and M'am and no cursing in front of women, I also remember 'women's jobs' vs 'men's jobs', Roe v Wade when it happened, the bus boycott, Kent State and Vietnam, the draft, and getting my 1A classification. I'm old enough to have marched in Civil Rights demonstrations and having to go through a National Guard perimeter to get to my off-campus apartment.

Yeah, I remember. I was tear-gassed when the National Guard marched onto campus at Ohio State University and stared down the rifle barrels of their guns. I was jeered at and had stuff thrown at me when I marched in Civil Rights demonstrations and almost managed to get myself arrested at a sit-in at my congressman's office in favor of the right of a woman to control her own body.

Yeah, I remember. I just sometimes prefer not to. I am in such despair for our country as I see what is happening to it as the Oligarchy continues to tighten its grip on the nation and the world, as I see the world fiddling as the climate burns, as I see the masses swallowing the nonsense that the MSM spews at them about 'takers' and 'terrifying budget deficits' and the like, while at the same time allowing the 1% to rip off the entire fucking world with impunity and no fear of prosecution.

And I look forward and figure that I am a member of the last generation to live in prosperity. I am terrified of what kind of world my grandchildren will inherit.

So, most of the time I tend to try and forget all of that and long for a time when we were more polite to each other.

[life long demo]

56. My oldest sister reminds us every once in a while

that in the 50's when she worked in an office, they wore hats and gloves to work, were all referred to as Miss so&so, AND, after they married and became pregnant, they could no longer work when they started "showing". She graduated Catholic HS in '53 and married in '55. Who said those were the "good old days".

[treestar]

59. +1 I'll take the cursing

if that's the price.

[skepticscott]

35. Well, don't mistake

formality for civility. Or lack of the former for lack of the latter.

[PeaceNikki]

37. Exactly. You can curse in front of me all day, but fuck with my reproductive autonomy, right

to vote, own property, get equal pay for equal work or limit my career ambitions, THEN I am offended, mother-fucker.

[awoke_in_2003]

33. I can just imagine...

what my 4 foot 10 inch, 90 lb soaking wet grandmother would have said about this shit. She was a dynamo and smart people knew not to piss her off.

[obama2terms]

34. They actually think they're going stop

Teens from cussing? This will be fun to see

[Chorophyll]

36. If this were a public school, I'd be fucking pissed.

But as it's a parochial school, all I can say is you get what you fucking pay for.

[Deep13]

38. BE DAINTY, GODDAMNIT!!!

How will you ever expect to attract a husband to take care of you if your purity has been stained by self-expression?!

Also, Queen Victoria called. She wants her social norms back.

(Yes, this is all sarcasm.)

[LWolf]

39. Kinda like those vows of abstinence.

What idiots.

[DainBramaged]

41. Shit

Tell their parents not to swear and maybe it would work........

[Kalidurga]

42. If it was me and I was asked to take that vow...

I would tell them where they could stick their fucking policy and then some. Fuck them and fuck that. I have a lot more colorful words, but I will refrain from using them all in polite company.

[Deep13]

46. Waitaminnit! ...

DU is polite company?

[Kalidurga]

53. Well it's the most polite company I hang out with nt.

[The Second Stone]

47. Swearing is an art form

that the likes of George Washington was renowned for. I try to avoid swearing as much as I can. So when I actually do, it makes mouths drop and eyes go wide. Particularly those who swear constantly.

Go big or go home. Learn to swear like a downtown prostitute or keep it clean.

[Turbineguy]

48. I had that problem with my children.

I told them they could start cursing when they started paying taxes. It worked! Once they found out what taxes were.

[okwmember]

50. Someone posted this yesterday,

but its relevant to this discussion.

7 Best Reasons for Swearing

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201205/hell-yes-the-7-best-reasons-swearing

[City Lights]

51. Fuck that! eom

[RKP5637]

52. Just another WTF for today! n/t

[NYC Liberal]

54. At my (Catholic) high school, swearing got you an automatic 10 days of detention.

And detention was walking around the quad for an hour and a half after school.

Swearing at a teacher would get you expelled.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. Up thread

My catholic high school - we got J.U.G. - Justice Under God.

I would rather have 10 detentions than ONE 45 minute J.U.G.

[NYC Liberal]

64. Hah...ALL detentions were jugs at my school!

I usually got them for dress code or not shaving. If you didn't shave they'd make you go to the dean's office, buy a razor from them for $1, and do it right there in the tiny little bathroom. As you can imagine, after I graduated I didn't shave for a while and just let my beard grow out a bit

[JustAnotherGen]

65. I actually

Got in trouble senior year for wearing my skirt too long. Mid Calf.

THAT - I got detention for - half an hour or so, could do homework, etc. etc.

JUG - Auditorium - look forward, hands folded on desk, don't even breath - if you pass out -too bad!

[Raine]

55. FUCK THAT SHIT!!! nt

[Shankapotomus]

60. This represents everything wrong with our culture

That men shouldn't be gentlemen because that would inhibit their masculinity!!?? The culture's messed up idea of masculinity is why women are being abused! Wake up!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

61. Un gruppo di figli da putane!!!!

One should be creative and cuss in foreign languages.

[Lane1340]

62. Gotta love the mysogyny...

They already don't want a female to make her own decision regarding her own pregnancy, and now this.

[Liberal_in_LA]

66. google scholarly articles about "minority dress / control / students" - Schools try to

control the behavior of students of color, particularly black girls, more than other students.

[KamaAina]

67. Fucking bullshit!

(I'm a dude, so it's OK )

[PeaceNikki]

68. lol