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I don't post here much anymore, but I do visit a lot. I've been here since early 2001 -- in our darkest days -- and I just want to say to all of you who have worked so hard, posted with such fury and wisdom, and who have put their hearts, sweat, money and time on the line all these years should be proud of themselves. Stand back and take a little of it all in. It is majestic. We've won a lot back that we had lost. I thank you for it all.
And I also want to say that, in my own eyes, President Barack Obama is now the best American President of my life time (and I am a very old and progressive activist Democrat). Of course, he is not a perfect man, but he is a really good man. And a historic President on so many dimensions.
Better than John Kennedy? Better than Lyndon Johnson? Better than Jimmy Carter? Better than Bill Clinton? Yes.
While JFK has always been my gold standard up until now, I can with confidence say that America has never been in better hands than it is today.
What's even better?
I know that the best from this man, Barack Obama, is yet to come. Just watch. And be proud.
Put him and FDR on Mount Rushmore.
watercolors
(1,921 posts)Work hard for JFK THOUGHT HE WAS GREAT. Clinton was very good also, but President Obama has my vote as being the best, & yes, history will say one of the greatest!
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Thanks for all your years of pushing and pulling and staying at it. Proud to know you.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...I think he has a very solid shot at eventually ending up cracking the top 10 in the all time presidents ranking. (Not by a lot... but #10 or even 9 seems doable. 8 might be a stretch...)
And yes, definitely top president in a long while.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)My top three are (in order):
1.) Abraham Lincoln
2.) Franklin Roosevelt
3.) Thomas Jefferson
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)But I'm generally in line with those figures, with a few notable exceptions (Reagan should not be as high as he is for example, and I would agree Jefferson belongs just above Washington not just below...)
On those rankings Dwight Eisenhower is currently 10... I can see a solid argument for Obama outranking him if the economy keeps improving through the next four years and we come out of his second term with him having passed health care reform, rebuilt the economy from the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression, gotten out of Iraq and, by then, Afghanistan, taken out Bin Laden, ended DADT, continued shrinking the *massive* deficit that got dumped on him... and all that leaving aside the whole first non white president detail and what accomplishing that took.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)LBJ was a very good President in many ways, if it hadn't been for Vietnam, a great President.
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David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Which President in your lifetime was better than President Obama?
demwing
(16,916 posts)because it's a thumb in the eye to the Sioux...but the first black President should be right there beside Lincoln.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)demwing, I like your post! Every word.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)agreed.
yet, certainly, president obama is the right leader for our time and i hope he is memorialized somewhere along the capitol mall.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Uh, right.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)OXOX
quinnox
(20,600 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)You are a very bright bulb and I hope that President Obama proves himself to you. If so, we all win, quinnox.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)best President in my lifetime. I'm not optimistic that the best is yet to come.
70's. Agree with you.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Too much compromise and too many drones to rate him as my #1. Maybe I don't even have a #1. I don't project my beliefs and my dearest wishes on him. I just see what he does and gauge him by that, rather than rank him against other presidents. I really couldn't care less how he's ranked, as long as he does what is right and good and Constitutional.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Care to share?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:10 PM - Edit history (1)
I confess I never really took an interest in politics until the 80s. And I then voted Republican. 30 years later, I AM paying attention and consider myself a progressive. Like many other progressives, I was mesmerized by the plainly stated, yet dynamic, ideas of a daring mullato senator from Illinois.
As a kid - a kid who liked art and rhyme - I was attracted to the "I LIKE IKE!" slogan. 60 years later, I find the objective honesty of that old war horse, inspirational. He warned us to be wary of the VERY predicament we're bound up in today - that is the threat of BIG money running the show. It's because of that very situation that we have guarantees every American can BUY health insurance instead of HAVE health care.
Sure - it's fine that gays and gals can now go fight those rich folks conflicts for them. It's only right that the two gals next door will be able to receive the fringe benefits of one another. It's great that we have a shiny, new CFPB - even if it is toothless.
But when our beloved, history-making leader kept on so many of Bush's henchmen as he took to the oval office - when he HIRES (and REhires) Wall St. to REGULATE Wall St. - there's something fundamentally wrong with that. He's not respecting the wishes of we the people - he's not even listening to numerous videos of his own pre-election proclamations. It's clear that he's been bought. Nice guy - certainly smart enough - but OWNED. And not by you and me.
Technically, he does represent people - this fact thanks to the Supreme Court's supreme fuck-up. But he's not responding to you and me people. People people.
EDIT TO ADD: Listen close to this RNN video from 15:40 til the end. http://www.democraticunderground.com/101797082
Most recently...... the crazy line between insanity and sanity has made me even less enamored with our Prez. When twenty murdered kids are a "tradgedy" in Newtown, yet "collateral damage" in some distant land - collateral damage on MY behalf, no less I rest my case.
magic59
(429 posts)You must be real young! Ike was far more Liberal then Obama. I liked Ike.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Bush l, Clinton, Bush ll, and Obama. I'll have to agree that Obama is the best out of my lifetime too. The reason why Clinton comes in a close 2nd is because of the Telecommunications Act and DADT. I don't think he should've adapted those policies.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Bill Clinton was something else. I was a delegate at the two national conventions when he was nominated. And I honor him. He governed the nation well. But, President Obama now has the edge with me, like you. And I'm a tough critic. Nice to know you.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Things have changed quite a lot in twenty years, we went from legal workplace discrimination against gays in the workplace, to ignoring AIDS because it was a gay problem, to allowing gays to serve in the military so long as they kept it under wraps, to allowing them to serve openly. In retrospect it seems a mistake, but not at the time. Though I'm not much older than you since I grew up under Reagan and they were talking about drafting high school students to fight Hussein during Desert Storm on the evening news. I'll hold a place in my heart for Clinton because I got my first 'real' job under him and then watched the bubble burst and everything ran away from me.
tblue
(16,350 posts)Clinton's reasoning behind DADT is much misunderstood. There were witch hunts and a ban against gays serving openly, as you noted. He tried to lift the ban and stop the witch hunts. He caught such heat for first just lifting the ban, and he was bullied by military brass (including Colin Powell), to whom he deferred since he had never served in the armed forces. DADT was a step forward at the time. It was a lifting of the ban with greater protection for gay people serving. Clinton deserves credit instead of scorn on this issue.
otohara
(24,135 posts)he had a big old signing party when Clinton signed the Tele Act. The day after he signed it, Clear Channel bought the stations I worked for and the rest is history.
I'm with you.
Pomp and circumstance ruled at the signing into law of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Held inside the rotunda of the Library of Congress, a bill-signing first, the ceremony featured an array of bipartisan legislators praising the comprehensive package. Newly appointed Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich heralded the act as a jobs and knowledge bill. Vice President Al Gore stressed how public interest was central to the telecommunications revolution. http://www.salon.com/2001/06/28/telecom_dereg/
milwaukeelib33
(140 posts)He is a great, historic president. I, and countless others went to the mat to see he was elected twice. Now, I expect a truly Progressive agenda pushed.
Things I expect to happen:
- Equal opportunity in the military regardless of race, gender, and sexual preference (partially achieved)
- DOMA fully repealed (in the works)
- End of all occupation overseas. Operations and military bases ceased. Troops come home (much to be desired- GUANTANAMO)
- Due process through a court of law for all humans (drone strikes? NO!!!)
- Slashing the war department budget
- Increased funding and expansion for public schools, social programs, shared infrastructure.
- Meaningful gun control (ban and buy-back programs for semi-automatic assault rifles)
- Monetary repercussions for states that refuse to implement the ACA
- Taxes on carbon to protect the environment (no Keystone XL pipe, no drilling on public land, carbon credit exchange)
- Support workers!!! Unions are under assault and it's time for the President to put his comfortable shoes on and support unions.
- Implement a FDR-style WPA to address unemployment and infrastructure needs. Fed Govt run and direct employer.
- Impose tariffs/trade restrictions to help American workers
Wheew!!!!
My demand list could go on....
But, is 8 years enough time?
Well, 4 years have gone by with less than I would expect. So, better get crackin' on the final 4. Let's see what can be done. No reason to hold back anymore. My hopes remain high.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Think of what he faced the day he was sworn into office. Think of all he accomplished without the help of Congress.
I like your list. And I like your hope!
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)How anyone could possibly compare/contrast him to JFK (or LBJ for that matter) is beyond me
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)they are soon after they take their seat in the oval office.
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dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)But the insults and hearty chuckles from the known haters on this site (who's number dwindle ever more so daily) are kicking the thread...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)drones. Drones, Soc Sec, Medicare are all proxies for Obama hate. It is, and has always been, about Obama. It doesn't matter what the topic is, whatever position Obama takes, they have to take the opposite, just on general principle.
The good news, however, is that they kept up the pressure for all of his first four years, to no avail. The Jill Stein/Roseanne/Gary Johnson/Rocky show got blown out of the water, which tells me America doesn't really give a shit what they're talking about. We're not listening to 'em, and they're even more pissed. They remind me of the gun nuts on the other side, who howl at the moon that "Obama's coming to take our guns". It's ridiculous.
Number23
(24,544 posts)differently.
I am furious with him with the way he rolled over on Susan Rice. I am upset about the 16 year old that was killed by a drone attack, but I honestly have NO idea what this child was trying to do. What 16-year old leaves their home in the wee hours of the morning to go to Yemen to find a father which they admit they haven't seen in over 2 years? The only thing that makes sense is that he was planning on joining his father in jihad against this country. 16-year is a child only in Western cultures. In many developing countries, there are 16-year old breadwinners. The story does make me incredibly uneasy but I am waiting on more information.
The work he's done to save the economy and try to bring health care to people has endeared him to me. And his current emphasis on gun control has made me a bona fide FAN. The non-stop complainers, I honestly don't know what the hell they want or what they think their boring, knee-jerk and UN-F*CKING-ENDING complaining will do. And I have LOOOOONG since been past the point of caring.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and more beloved than ever.
You would think that if ANYTHING pointed out the utter impotence and lack of importance of the Obama/Dem establishment haters, it would be this. And yet here they are. Louder, shriller, smaller in numbers, and more impotent than ever.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)of drones, and a whopping 83% agree with targeted strikes of bad American actors abroad. Does anyone want to kill people? No, especially innocents. I understand your conflict re: the use of drones, but if it limits our military's exposure to attacks and loss of life, I'm all for it, with rigid oversight. I don't want any one person to be the sole arbitor of someone's guilt, but Congress gave that power, and they're the only ones who can take it away.
All that being said, I don't think the histrionics we're witnessing here do anything to further the debate, or change anyone's mind. That election I spoke of, you know the one where the Jill/Roseanne/Gary/Rocky Horror Show could barely garner 2% of the vote COMBINED? They were written off as nutjobs, and quite rightly so. What we're seeing is just a continuation of that lost battle, and a whole bunch of sour grapes.
I mean, didn't we know about the drone program on election day? Didn't we already know about the "kill list"? The answer is, of course, YES. And we gave this president a resounding & uncontested victory over his opponents.
Haters gonna hate! It's one of the primary symptoms of ODS.
Number23
(24,544 posts)'Liberals Love Drones Too' http://www.salon.com/2013/02/07/liberals_love_drones_too/
Which is why I when I read all of this bitter idiocy, the "Obama is no better than Bush" and "this goes against the Constitution" and other assorted foolishness, it really makes me wonder about the people that dwell like pigeons in a bell tower throughout DU-GD.
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!!??! And when will they come to realize they don't even represent a majority of the fringe??
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)We've reached Alex Jones territory here. One side screaming that Obama's gonna take your guns away, and the other side declaring he's gonna drop a drone in downtown Kansas City.
And both sides screaming he's either trying to make Grandma eat catfood, or kill her off with healthcare reform.
Is there any wonder why the modern day liberal fringe is so ineffective? People think they're as nuts as the baggers, and unfortunately, the media tends to group "the left" into one big clump, when nothing could be further from the truth. Sadly, most of the public faces and voices of "the left" have the microphone, but thankfully they don't seem to move public opinion much, one way or the other.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)of the night? No wonder he has 3 or 4 ex wives.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)for a very effective corporate Trojan Horse:
Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Maintaining Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act,
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public support for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Increase of media consolidation into the hands of corporate giants
Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA and the new CISPA-like executive order
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize such spying
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Supporting a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans, while the
Bush tax cuts were extended for billionaires.
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with no mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Growth of the power of lobbyists to prevent government regulation of corporations.
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Expansion of military support into Mali
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The fanboi cult is out for blood tonight.
Personally, Obama would only be my "best in my lifetime" president if I were twelve years old.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:37 PM - Edit history (1)
and the out-of-the-blue adulation and superlatives are also imperative.
Yesterday we got news of perhaps the most chilling betrayal of our Constitution, our nation, and every single one of us that we have seen yet from this administration...and that is saying a lot. Our President has now claimed the right to murder any American, without need for evidence or due process. Of course DU erupted in horror. And of course the propaganda brigade had to get to work.
But look at what they are able to come up with in response.
These sorts of adulatory threads are remarkable not for the fawning line-up of concurring posts from the reliable few, but because they are so predictably empty of anything substantive. Always. Look down the posts. It's not like adoring FDR because of the New Deal, or Lincoln for holding the nation together. It's never based in any real substance at all. It can't be, because to talk about what this administration has actually *done* would blow a devastating hole into any claim to support the same values and principles as traditional Democrats.
Ask about the policies that justify this adoration, and you will get insults or anger, or perhaps the same few old standbys from years ago: Lily Ledbetter, opposition to DOMA, the (Heritage Foundation!) health insurance act. The defenders have absolutely nothing to even come *close* to counterbalancing the long, devastating. constantly expanding list of MAJOR right-wing, corporate, neocon, and police state policies that this administration has fought for and defended over the past four years. In all major policy areas....war, economics, education, energy and the environment, the drug wars, the police state....this administration has aggressively pursued policies that George Bush would be proud of.
And today was a biggie. So what can they do? Rally the troops. Make emotional bids for loyalty to Obama and to the Blue Team. There was also a thread today, out of the blue, to rally hatred for the Reds. It wasn't about any particular news item or recent event. It was simply a bid for the Two Minutes Hate. Because when a corporate-purchased/hijacked party must admit a betrayal of the people and the Constitution of the magnitude we saw today, it is imperative to the hijackers that our emotional loyalty to the Blue Team (and willingness to circle the wagons and defend *anything* it does) is fierce and reflexive and defensive enough to override our loyalty to the Constitution and the fundamental civil rights they are destroying before our eyes.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)FredStembottom
(2,928 posts)Thank you, woo.
I may just copy and paste this posting of yours over and over into these ridiculous American Idol threads.
I was just sitting here thinking..... Why are the fan-club folks out in such number today?
Of course, party before constitution!
(I still think many are organized obfuscators. It's the only thing I can think that explains the spamming of this board with such cognitive dissonance)
On edit: The president ticks upward in my estimation every once in awhile - and I have always liked him personally. Obamacare will help my family directly, too. But As long as his admin. keeps going along with the anti-constitutional, scary , militarized police state stuff............
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Obama urged us to "stop the namecalling" in his inauguration speech and yet there is post after post here posting RW stuff for no reason than to whip up hatred to point the finger "over there." Why do it when Obama said not to...unless what you say...which was interesting insight. Considering that Obama won...why post crap from the RW when we already heard enough during the almost two year primary unless it's to distract Progressive Democrats from their own issues that we hope that our second term elected Democratic President, whom we voted for, will listen to?
Quote from you:
"And today was a biggie. So what can they do? Rally the troops. Make emotional bids for loyalty to Obama and to the Blue Team. There was also a thread today, out of the blue, to rally hatred for the Reds. It wasn't about any particular news item or recent event. It was simply a bid for the Two Minutes Hate. Because when a corporate-purchased/hijacked party must admit a betrayal of the people and the Constitution of the magnitude we saw today, it is imperative to the hijackers that our emotional loyalty to the Blue Team (and willingness to circle the wagons and defend *anything* it does) is fierce and reflexive and defensive enough to override our loyalty to the Constitution and the fundamental civil rights they are destroying before our eyes."
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)WTF kind of censorship is that? It's bad enough that it was alerted but to have 4 DUers agreeing to hide that post is revolting.
Pure, unbridled censorship of a disagreeing opinion. Disgusting.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)That was uncalled for.
There was no ToS violation.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Shameful for DU.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)was keeping gitmo open?
i dont think there have been any 'new' detainees at gitmo since obama has been in office..
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)and my thanks for laying it all out so well. ITA and my K&R goes to you!
dsc
(52,155 posts)too unstable. Probably a good thing, given that to get FDR we would have ended up with Reagan which would make me vomit.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)Was just telling my daughter last week-end he should be on MT. Rushmore. Right next to Lincoln.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)It seems a shame to only have him for just four more years. But I am sure the job is hectic as hell, and 8 years is certainly enough strain on one persons body.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)finally to where the GOP as it is constituted is doomed. Every Democrat since Roosevelt made the country better.
I have lived long enough to finally see the demograhics in America change enough to where Democrats may have a long reign. And thereby, the People have more voice. Let's hope so.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)DrewFlorida, Lincoln is my all-time favorite President. The real deal.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)The best he is. I would love to see his face carved on my. Rushmore.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)With his great beaming smile!!!
Ian Iam
(386 posts)You are funny. "Even greater than Reagan???" Imagine that!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Love the Garcia, too.
juajen
(8,515 posts)Obama is such a natural. He is a great President, IMHO. I read more than I post, also.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)The Arab Spring didn't just happen in a vaccum. President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton nurtured that and helped it without the bravura and chest thumping of the Bush/Cheney days. These two brought respect world-wide back to our country when there was so little left.
And President Obama is now going to deliver Immigration Reform and bring 11+ million Americans (yes, they are Americans in my eyes) out of the shadows and into the bright sunshine of the nation they love so much they sacrificed it all to be here.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)You have such a big heart and such a high sense of justice and fairness, so I must embarrass you here about it. Big brain and big heart. OXOX
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You are the biggest sweetie ever and you made my night. There aren't enough David Zephyrs in the world and I'll always hold a place in my heart for you, friend. xo
RainDog
(28,784 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)President Obama would use him more as a role model than Lincoln.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)President Obama walked into the White House with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression and two unfunded wars...and a spiteful, vicious Republican Party that never gave him a moment's respite.
He rose to those challenges with very little help or appreciation. I do like his humility and quiet approach to governing. And I place FDR as America's second best President, only behind Lincoln.
I agree that FDR makes a great role model.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)There was no other like him and there may not be again.
I haven't lost faith in him for all this time because he is, like you say, a good man and I am fully confident that the difficult decisions he must make every day, is done by a good man.
He is an extraordinary person, unbelievably jammed packed with the most fantastic qualities a person can have.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Thank you.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and the best is yet to come.
I also believe he will be nominated to the US Supreme Court in 2018, and that Michelle will run for senate in Illinois, then President in 2024.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)And thumbs up on Mount Rushmore!
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)k&R
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)who wasn't a front man for capitalism was probably JFK, which is ironic and may explain why he met an untimely end. Obama is just a Third Way, Blue Dog corporatist who has barely even begun selling out the progressive movement. Brace yourselves folks.
Boomerproud
(7,951 posts)I pray that he has his own epithany. I see a different man since the election (a better, clearer mindset) and I believe he is going to follow his own instincts from now on-he certainly hasn't been well-served by his advisors.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)He is the President. He is the one responsible for his decisions as much as you or I. His latest appointment is a former banker named Sally Jewell who specialized in making loans to oil companies before becoming CEO of REI. He nominated her as his choice for the next Secretary of the Interior, which should come as no surprise since his last Secretary was a cattle rancher. His entire cabinet and cadre of advisers remain a whos who of Wall Street personalities. Wishing he were something other than what he is will not change what he is. I wish it were otherwise.
Cha
(297,154 posts)PBO has made Progress and he is Progressive.
You otoh just have talking points that don't mean anything.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)a list of his accomplishments. Try to remember that insults are not arguments. That's ignorant.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)It's a long list, and growing. You might look it up. Here, it's generally referred to in a derogatory way as "The List," so you can probably find it by searching for that term. Have a good search.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)My opinion statement rebutted the opinion of the original post. I offered no evidence to support my position. The original poster said I was ignorant for not accepting his/her opinion, which he/she assumed was self-evident absent any facts to support it. Now you claim the evidence is "right here on DU". So show me. I'm certainly not going to research evidence to support your position. That's your job. I'll wait.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Some Presidents get to govern in times of relative ease and peace. Obama has had no such luxury.
The mess he faced on day 1, foreign and domestic, was historic. Few President's have faced so much immediate crisis on day one.
He's been steady through out. Attacked as a domestic socialist, and foreign appeaser from the right, and attacked as a corporatist war-monger from the left ... from day 1.
And while history will find some flaws, and some missteps, those will be the exceptions, not the defining characteristics for Obama's 2 terms as President.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Carter, Clinton, Obama, Johnson, Kennedy, Ike, Ford in that order. The others (Bushes, Reagan, Nixon) were all sociopaths and don't register. Ford is the last GOP president that gave a shit about anything.
still_one
(92,136 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)time still has`t judged obama.
still_one
(92,136 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Not even a Democrat actually. Obeys no principles that I can see. The whole drone thing has blown it wide open for me. Unfortunately I voted for this POS twice and I really regret it.
Cha
(297,154 posts)President Obama is an Excellent President.
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jazzimov
(1,456 posts)and Obama has had a lot to fight against. But I think he has been the best President in my lifetime.
On a side-note, I think Carter has been the best ex-President. At least so far!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)I'm so glad you appreciate and understand what this President means for our Country at the time in History.
Who knows if they'll make room for him and FDR on Mt Rushmore but I'm just Grateful we've had him for the last four years and four more to come.
It's going to be a bumpy ride and a lot of activism to make sure we have his back too.. like he and VP Biden have ours!
h/t she
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)I don't have to fight as many battles anymore because you are here! Go Cha!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)He cares for the People!
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Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)2nd term to be better than his 1st.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)We are close in age I think. There's no real progressive like a Southern liberal, like you, because you are on the front line. I know. I grew up there on and off as a boy.
I'm happy you see it the same as me. In the aggregate, I just have to give it up to President Obama. He's done it and is doing it. Big hug.
Number23
(24,544 posts)He seems more liberated. I think he'll only get even better.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)rivegauche
(601 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Obama is a rock-solid man, Rushmore or no Rushmore.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Both are moderate Republicans in their economic policies. LBJ was disastrous and tragic on foreign policy of course, but much braver on domestic policy than O is. O is the first Democratic President to utter the words "entitlement reform" in the same sentence. He's no FDR. You won't hear O talking fearlessly against "The Economic Royalists" as FDR did. O is more likely to hire them as advisors.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)and didn't have a kill list. Think I'm leaning toward Bill these days.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)You'll need your umbrella and a slicker, for sure.
K&R
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It'd been nice if he'd tried to back it up in anyway.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)You may not share it, but it is the poster's opinion. Opinions do not necessarily need to be backed up.
As I look it appears that many agree with the poster's opinion. I'm sure some agree with yours, too.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)None the less it is a discussion forum and it makes it a tad easier to "discuss" if one will state some reasons for their opinions. It helps avoid the silliness.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)discussion in the thread. Still, DU is a place where a member can post an opinion as well.
Even an unsupported one.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)One can post opinions. My comment was meant more about your posting and the "deluge". One CAN avoid some of it by actually posting some substance and content. Not all of course but if it is ones attempt to "avoid the deluge", content and substance can help alot.
Of course if one's intent is merely to CREATE the deluge.....
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Clearly, the post would generate a good deal of comment. That was the reason for my post. Nothing more than that.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Yes, clearly it woud generate a good deal of comment. My post was about why, and how it might be avoided. I get the sense that both of you didn't actually want to avoid it.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)In fact, I posted only one thing in this thread until you replied to it.
Why would the OP want to prevent comment? He wanted to state an opinion about President Obama. Almost 100 DU Recs later, the comment still stands at the top of the thread. Sometimes a guy just wants to post something positive about President Obama. I've done it, and so have many others. Sometimes a guy wants to post something negative about him. Many have done that, as well.
Since the post was just an opinion, I didn't see a lot of reason to join a discussion about that opinion. I share it, pretty much. So, I clicked the DU Rec button and posted my anticipation of some interesting replies. Does that form some sort of connection between me and the OP? Nope. I recognize the screen name, and have generally positive feelings about his past posts, although I doubt I could describe any of them without a search.
I have different feelings about other DUers, not so positive ones. That comes with the territory of a political discussion forum, since agreement isn't a requirement of membership.
I'm replying to you, because you replied to my short post. Now I will stop doing that. I have other things to do today. I don't see continuing this further as of any value to me.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It's about "deluge".
One can avoid what you described as "deluge" by posting some substance and content. That doesn't prevent comment, but it does help avoid the silliness of the "deluge".
Almost 100 DU Recs later, the comment still stands at the top of the thread.
And deluge is a great way to achieve that, which is what I sense was the larger purpose here, not discussion.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Never stop posting. My eyesight is not so good anymore, so I can't spend a lot of time at monitors, but just a note here to tell you that I admire you and your tenacity and mind.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Don't worry 'bout me, though. I'll be here. Writing is what I do, and DU is where I'm doing it whenever I'm not being paid to do it. So, I'll be here, posting away. I'm sorry your vision is keeping you from posting as much, but I've always enjoyed your posts.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)No definition of "greatness" that I know about includes compromising from a position of weakness.
You're saying that he's "the greatest president in your lifetime," but you're offering NO supporting evidence. My college expository writing teacher would give you an F for that essay.
libodem
(19,288 posts)He has a tightrope to walk. The 'Military Industrial Complex' is alive and well and opperating in Washington DC. I think that an agenda has been set which even the POTUS has no control. He has to go along to get along.
That includes those Gawd awful prayer breakfasts, he has to go to. He is amazing.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)so my age rules out Kennedy, but I just can't agree with you..yet
luckily there's still time.
And sadly I must admit, I voted for Obama twice, once because mccain was just to damn hostile, and romney too damn...uh..um..all that sucks in the world!!
S.A.M
(162 posts)but most historians wouldn't delare him the one of the best presidents in about 40 years
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Obama may turn out to be the best President of my lifetime also, but that's no reason to paint a giant mural of him on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)...or having an out of body experience?
I'm just teasing...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)out of body experiences, but not enough of them to completely miss the Carter Presidency.
I thought President Carter was a good Prez, and I think if he had gotten a second term, this country would be much more evolved and on a much better course.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Yes, but Kennedy wasn't all that "good". Most of what people think about him tends to actually post date him. Unfair I know, but he started with the Bay of Pigs and finished with Vietnam. Amongst many in the Civil Rights movement, especially Ralph Abernathy, Kennedy wasn't all that impressive. And it was Bobby that was the brains behind the Cuban Missile Crisis. I still lament the loss of Bobby. I always like to believe he'd a been a great president.
Better than Lyndon Johnson?
Poor ole LBJ. He'd be the modern FDR if he'd just avoided 'Nam. Obama really can't hold a candle to his accomplishments, although he's managed to avoid the same scale of failures.
Better than Jimmy Carter?
Hard really to compare. One termer versus a two termer. I was no big Carter fan at all, but he was right about alot of things, even if he didn't seem to be able to actually do anything about them. His big accomplishment was the Peace Accords. The real affect of those is only now being realized.
Better than Bill Clinton? Yes.
'Bout the same really. Obama is the third and fourth term of the Clinton Admin. Spent the first term undoing some of it as well, including banking reform, DADT, and potentially DOMA. NAFTA is still hanging out there, as well as welfare "reform". Strangley, Obama got the Health Insurance Federalization passed that Clinton rejected. And Clinton managed to actually bring terrorists to trial, in international and US courts.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)and sense of loss and outrage over JFK. Perhaps unfortunately, he also knew when to make an exit.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Admittedly it was a different time, but one does wonder what a skilled leader like LBJ could still accomplish with the current congress.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He would have only had to "take care of" Joe Lieberman and and a couple of scumbag Blue Dog DEMOCRATS,
and he WOULD have done so quickly.
Can you IMAGINE Joe Lieberman standing up and telling LBJ,
NO! I'm NOT going to vote for Medicare?
LOL.
We would STILL be finding little pieces of Lieberman's ass from Texas to Connecticut!
Read Up on "The Johnson Treatment".
http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html
http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html
The American People gave President Obama everything he needed to do what he promised during Campaign 2008.
White House support for Blanche Lincoln
"The Arkansas primary fight illuminates some unpleasant though vital truths about the Democratic establishment "
<snip>
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)since Bill Clinton had also campaigned for Lincoln in her primary race against Bill Halter. At any rate, it certainly didn't help her in the general election, where she earned the dubious distinction of being the *only* incumbent Democratic US Senator from Arkansas since Reconstruction to get an ass-whooping from a Republican challenger.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)like Lieberman in the first place...
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)he rates a 'D' in the area of human rights. His continuation of the Bush policies on the Patriot Act, domestic spying, indefinite detention and now killer drones, have made the neocons ecstatic. Bolton is all over killer drones.
If a Democratic president wont back these issues back to reason, the Repukes sure wont. These clear assaults on our liberties is scary.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)When I think of what could have been...
dembat
(47 posts)I TOTALLY AGREE.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)but on this we part and it breaks my heart. I wish you well but I can only shake my head in sadness.
We haven't won back a thing. The banks got more money, criminals are still heading government agencies, more people are being killed in wars, we're still destabilizing Central and South America with our latest target being Bolivia, still destabilizing the Middle East, we're embarking on a war on Africa that will last decades in Cameron's own words and that's just the tip of off my the top of my angry head right now.
We've lost even more.
There's no way on earth I can be proud. If anything, I'm ashamed that the first Black President will go down in history as being on the side of the military industrial complex, the bankers, the corporations instead of being on the side of the homeless, the hungry and the terrorized.
I still love but not for this.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)But, you and I both know that there is a segment of DUers who will NEVER be happy with ANY President no matter how well he or she performs. There is simply no pleasing them.
Number23
(24,544 posts)There are many things I would prefer he'd have done differently. But overall, I am so incredibly proud of this president. And the fact that so many minorities, women, poor people ALL OVER THE WORLD have his back in such strong inescapable numbers makes me know that I am on the right side. I have lived and worked in enough places and made enough friends in enough cultures to know this for a fact.
He will be revered for many, many moons to come. I seriously doubt if the same things will be said about his incessant detractors.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Senate in 2018.
Possbily being VP n 2020
President 2024.
for the continuation of the Obama agenda
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)I would agree that he inherited an awful mess and we have been able to recover with a minimal amount of pain, as a whole.
He has done a lot of good things but there are some areas where I disagree with his policies. I think the healthcare reform may turn out to be his major achievement? I thought it was a major payoff to the insurance companies but I may have been wrong?
Also, I think the massive payoffs to the big banks and Wall Street could have been better spent on the people or programs to help people. I think it gave those with the power even more leverage over working people and those without any leverage.
It is difficult to argue with the demise of Osama Bin Laden but I personally cannot defend the continued attacks, mostly with drones, into Pakistan or the expansion of our power into Africa. And I'm not sure that we have stopped the torture techniques that were initiated under the Bush Administration? We do know that Guantanamo is still in operation.
Both jobs and the stock market have recovered very nicely, under the circumstances. Many peoples' savings have been restored with the recovery of Wall Street.
Overall, I would say he has done a very good job in most areas.
Well put - I would add that the ridiculously insane drug war still drags on as well with marijuana still inexplicably a Schedule 1 drug.
I am pleased with the President's vocal stand on civil rights for all Americans.
As noted above, hangover from the unfortunately named Patriot Act is still strongly present.
..and I agree with your assessment of the AHCA.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)(Clinton and both George Bushes), that's really not saying much in my case.
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)Recommended for truth.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)After Obama's first term.
I'm waiting for Obama to 'wow' me.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)i shudder to think .....uh, no, not going there....
Yavin4
(35,437 posts)All day. Every day.