What a bizarre place: Cop killers and those flipping off judges are the new folk heroes here.

[nobodyspecial]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Warren Stupidity (a host of the General Discussion forum).

What does this say about the people here? But I would hope that there are others like me still left. Would appreciate a shout out if you think that some deserve punishment, not praise, for their actions.

[zappaman]

1. It is indeed odd.

But DU is a very big place, so it's not unexpected that some had misplaced ideals.
The cop killer is a maniac.
The girl who said "fuck you" to a judge is a brat who hopefully learned a valuable lesson.

[Comrade Grumpy]

7. That judge is a prick and deserves contempt.

You may have seen the link on his background.

The killer cop/cop killer is a bad man for killing people. He is also claiming a pattern of racism and corruption in LAPD and he names names. That might be worth looking into.

[nobodyspecial]

11. Organize action to get him kicked off the bench then

Or engage in civil disobedience. Everybody facing him should flip him off. But those who engage in civil disobedience know they will be arrested. You can't just determine somebody is a "prick" so it's OK to do it and no consequences are warranted because it is deserved.

And I think that this just hurts any investigation into the LAPD because the charges were made by a rogue homicidal maniac.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. I hope people in Florida will organize to get rid of him.

He has a history of aggressive, obnoxious behavior.

I doubt the young woman in this case was engaging in civil disobedience, just being kind of dumb and unthinking.

And, yes, I agree that LAPD will probably sweep that manifesto under the rug and discredit his allegations. But they are pretty specific and name names. I hope somebody will look into it.

[zappaman]

21. The ex-cop may have a point

But shooting people and threatening to shoot more may not be the best way to go about it.
Hopefully, he will be caught alive and be able to explain himself.
But not many will shed tears if he goes down shooting.


As for the judge, who cares if he is a prick? In this matter, he is right.
There is a way to act in a courtroom and a way not to act.
That holds for everyone whether they are a judge, defendant, lawyer or a member of the audience.
She acted inappropriately and got slapped down for it.
Deservedly so.

[rustydog]

24. If nothing is done about the contempt, then our occupants of courtrooms

may be emboldened to do even more.
Slap her with contempt, a fine and jail time and maybe, just maybe she'll watch or at least weigh her words in the future.

[graham4anything]

32. Yup.

wihtout the courts there is anarchy

why some are in love with anarchy I don't know.

A democracy can't survive long that way

[dballance]

31. Did You Watch the Video? Judge Did Nothing to Deserve Contempt

The judge was not a prick, and was not aggressive as some have charged. The girl was stoned out of her mind; couldn't stand still or answer simple questions. She clearly lied when she told the judge she hadn't taken any drugs in the last 24 hours. She mocked the judge with her smart-assed "adios" comment as she left for the first time. That was probably enough for contempt in some judges' courts. Then she added insult to injury by saying "fuck you" and flipping him off as she left for the second time. She got what she deserved. Maybe she'll sober up during her stay in jail.

[Comrade Grumpy]

2. This country's criminal justice system inspires a lot of hatred.

Some of it for good reasons. Not all of it.

[sibelian]

3. the "standing wave" of for and against

such individuals has been in place on this site, in one form or another, for some time.

I mostly trash these threads. Nothing meaningful or material will result from engaging in such discussions.

[WI_DEM]

4. I think that is an awful broad brush. 99.999% of our members

do not endorse cop killers and 90% of us wouldn't endorse flipping off judges in the court room.

[nobodyspecial]

6. You're right.

I should have gone with your scientific percentages. I'm just shocked to see any of it. I would just think that there are some immutable standards of society still left.

[white_wolf]

15. I do not know. I mean Scalia and Thomas probably deserve to be flipped off.

I'm mostly kidding, but I think you get my point.

[riqster]

29. You can flip them off most of the time

Like on a bike path, while jogging, etc. just not while they are in court.

We respect the institution, regardless of the individual working therein.

FWIW, I agree with the judge in how he dealt with the young "lady" and her behavior.

[RedstDem]

5. I've known judges that at the very least needed to be flipped off

I'll leave that to others though..maybe the lunatic former cop could do it !..lol

[nobodyspecial]

10. I'm not saying that some wouldn't inspire this action

or that all judges are perfect, but to be surprised that there are consequences for doing so.

But to jump on the bandwagon of an ex-cop killing people because he supposedly exposed corruption...

[MineralMan]

8. No, they're not.

That is all.

[arely staircase]

9. i doubt such sympathies are widespread outside of a small group

of folks who are probably posting between classes/bong hits. Not that there is anything wrong with bonghits or classes, just a guess about the age group of people who think such things are cool.

[kestrel91316]

12. IMHO the people praising them are doing it to make DU and liberals look bad.

There's no other rational explanation.

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. Yeah, it's a plot.

[Whisp]

13. I think that's the 'Jerry Springer' generation.

swear at a judge, cheer when a cop dies on duty. sounds about that speed to me.

[WilliamPitt]

14. Golly gosh gee whiz, that sounds terrible!

It must be really very terribly bad since you failed to offer any examples.

[nobodyspecial]

18. OK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2327612

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022329334

[WilliamPitt]

20. Hm

I see 177 posts telling the first OP how wrong they are. I see a few people in the second OP behaving as you described.

Your broad brush is dripping.

[Junkdrawer]

22. Read the second post again and show me the "folk hero" aspect....

I see a "homicidal maniac exposes LAPD corruption" post.

[JaneyVee]

27. LOL. Whatever. I guess reporting breaking news is now a "bizarre" concept to you.

Now I remember why I used to just read the news stories here and not participate. For a bunch of 'open-minded Liberals' some of you are SOOOO judgmental & naive.

[mokawanis]

17. I don't think they are seen as folk heroes

I can't imagine why anyone would support or defend the cop killer. If that's happening on DU I haven't seen it.

As for flipping the judge the bird, the young woman who did that is paying the price for her impulsive and foolish behavior. Anyone who acts like that in a courtroom is asking for trouble and is going to get it.

There is a part of me that likes the fact that she flipped off the judge, because so many of them are assholes.

I went up before a judge in Kentucky, for a traffic violation, who treated me like shit from the get-go. Why? Because I had long hair and tinted glasses. To him I looked like a dope smoking hippie who deserved his contempt. The guy who was up before me was a local who got drunk and punched his wife, and he got off easier than I did for my traffic violation. I didn't flip the judge the bird or tell him to go fuck himself, but I sure wanted to.

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. It looks like one or two people thing that bird-flipping brat is a hero.

You're going to get a few duds here and again. The opinions of a couple of people are not indicative of the whole, although I agree the squeeky wheel gets the grease here.

[Vinnie From Indy]

25. I am never failed to be mildly amused at the pearl clutchers and drama queens here

Cheers!

[Democracyinkind]

26. That's just not true.

[baldguy]

28. Jesse James and Bonnie & Clyde were folk heroes, too.

[demwing]

30. You are one of "the people here"

what does it say about you?

[rdking647]

33. the cop killer is scum. period.

I hope he is caught and spends the rest of his life in a 6x10 cell
as to the teenager flipping off the judge,shes dumb as a box of rocks. whether you agree with the judge or not you DONT FLIP OFF A JUDGE. its asking for trouble.

[randome]

34. It can be a 'bizarre place' at times.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Warren Stupidity]

35. Lock.

All whining about DU in the meta whine cellar please.