Facebook Fan Pages Support Manhunt Suspect Chris Dorner

[nadinbrzezinski]

Chris Dorner naval photo
Perhaps the public's outrage at years of police brutality and cover- ups is justified, or perhaps people simply have their heads planted firmly in their own asses. In either case, fan pages supporting accused cop killer Chris Dorner have been popping up around Facebook. Featuring titles such as "Chris Dorner a Real Ni**a" and "We Are All Chris Dorner," they celebrate the former LAPD officer believed to have killed a woman and her fiance in Irvine this weekend as well as a Riverside police officer yesterday morning.

A multiagency effort spanning multiple states is currently underway to find Dorner, whose burned-out truck was discovered yesterday in the Big Bear area near the Snow Summit and Bear Mountain ski resorts. In a manifesto published online Dorner said he was fired from the LAPD for blowing the whistle on dirty cops and promised to bring "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniforms whether on or off duty."

One of the aforementioned Facebook pages states "Chris will be awarded the realest ni**a alive award, fuck the grammy's." [sic] Another page features images of a man with a shopping cart pushing groceries out of a burning building.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/02/chris_dorner_facebook_lapd_kil.php

As a few of us have pointed out...the manifesto got more than a grain of truth.

I will leave it at that.

[BlueStater]

1. Sickening. Fucking morons.

I'll save my sympathy for the young couple that asshole murdered in cold blood.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What about the two women shot by LAPD?

That was not that unusual. LAPD is a powder keg.

Yes, he should face the judge (won't if LAPD can help it). That does not exclude a very real need for a DOJ review.

[dkf]

3. He tried numerous avenues to clear this.

http://themadmanchronicles.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorners-long-history-of-complaints-against-the-lapd-public-documents-released/

But there was no evidence for his assertions and quite a few, including non-police witnesses, who said they saw no kicks. By his own admission he did not add the allegations in his first report and did not until after an unflattering report was written up on him.

There's no way I can see to prove anything on that original case.

[bayareamike]

4. Stop making sense.

The wannabe anarchists want to support a bloodthirsty killer.

Sure, the LAPD has been involved in controversies for a very long time. This isn't news to anyone. An investigation into the LAPD should be part of the discussion, but Facebook pages where people root for a triple homicide suspect? What the hell is wrong with some people?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Wanna be anarchists.

Believe or not, or rather like it or not, this is part of the story.

The first para asks a very relevant question.

[bayareamike]

10. I do believe it's a part of the story.

I do believe that LAPD corruption and police corruption more generally need to be discussed. However, people on Facebook rooting for a murderer are sick and misguided. Obviously.

FWIW, I've reviewed the appellate brief that was posted online earlier. There were independent witnesses (non-LAPD) who testified that no kicking occurred.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. And one kickee that said it happened.

Fact is, this is not black and white and having covered people in communities abused by the cops...I get it. I fully get it.

The FB pages should serve as a wake the hell up for both DOJ and the LAPD.

[bayareamike]

13. Sure, but the "kickee"

is not an objective source. He (and his father) are biased. But yes, I do understand this is a complex issue surely. The testimony is clearly mixed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. The kickee was found non reliable due to mental problems

You know how many times this happens? I was a medic in Tijuana, one thing the Federales hated was municipal cops calling an ambulance. There is a similar dynamic here.

When they lovingly treated a detained reason with mental issues getting to the truth was next to impossible. That witness was already sort of disqualified.

Perhaps that experienced with another "honest cops" color my impressions. This s not limited to the LAPD. But serious that detail of mental status is like critical. People with mental issues are regularly dismissed by police agencies and courts, not just in the US.

Take that into account.

But at this point this goes well beyond Doerner...well beyond.

[kestrel91316]

57. A kickee with mental problems is not automatically a liar.

And a murderer with mental problems is not automatically a liar either. I half believe some of the things Dorner claims. I have dealt with LAPD enough to dislike the organization intensely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. I read the manifesto

And what I know, including some well known issues, had me going YUP sounds familiar.

[kestrel91316]

56. Knowing LAPD, those independent witnesses were intimidated into

testifying that no kick occurred. Or perhaps they were not in a position to know that for a fact, and merely said that they did not SEE such.

LAPD are for the most part vicious thugs and/or lazy slackers who want an easy, glamorous felony arrest but don't want to actually SERVE the community on a daily basis.

The only good thing I can say about them is that they don't aggressively go after casual cannabis users, at least in my mostly white neighborhood.

[socialist_n_TN]

63. And your experience with the LAPD is the actual REASON..........

that this guy has facebook fans. You can't oppress people and take advantage of them without making a LOT of enemies. And when somebody snaps and starts taking out your enemies (or threatening to) then they become admirable to some.

[shenmue]

7. Some people are just...

There really are no words.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. You forget one witness.

But that's ok. I read all 11K words and the Rampart scandal came to mind, among many. The corruption in LAPD and charges of mistreatment of minorities are not new.

You can try to deny that, but DOJ should, jst as they did with OPD.

[dkf]

16. Other than the Evans case what is there to investigate?

Doesn't sound like Dorner has anything specific to investigate, just some statements about officers offenses based on their race that makes them high value targets.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. That is why he was fired

That is the case

[dkf]

21. There is no way to prove he is right.

Testimony of Christopher Adrid
Adrid was working as a bellman at the DoubleTree Hotel on the date of the incident. He saw Gettler on a bench in the lobby, talking to himself, so he asked Gettler if he was a hotel guest. When Gettler said he was not staying at the hotel, Adrid asked him to sit on a bench outside the hotel.
When appellant and Sergeant Evans arrived, Adrid saw them ask Gettler to take his hands out of his pockets and approach them. Gettler stood up and walked toward the officers, but when he tried to run away, appellant tackled him. Adrid testified that he saw Gettler and appellant fall into the bushes, which were about four feet high, although in an earlier interview, he had said he did not see appellant tackle Gettler. Adrid testified that Sergeant Evans was telling Gettler to put his hands behind his back or else she would use the taser. Gettler did not comply, so Sergeant Evans shot him with the taser, and then he complied and was handcuffed. Sergeant Evans stepped into the planter and helped appellant and Gettler get up. Adrid did not see Sergeant Evans crouch in the bushes or kick Gettler. He said that Sergeant Evans had one foot in the planter and one on the sidewalk and never had both feet in the planter. Adrid saw the cut on Gettler’s nose but did not see any other injuries.

Testimony of Ashlye Perez
Ashlye Perez was working at the DoubleTree as a bellhop on July 28, 2007. She was in the lobby of the hotel when she saw appellant and Sergeant Evans arrive at the hotel. The hotel doors were open, so she heard the officers ask Gettler to stand and ask if he was a guest at the hotel. After Perez went outside to try to usher hotel guests inside, she heard Gettler start yelling and saw the officers grab him to stop him from running away. She did not remember exactly what happened, but she saw Sergeant Evans use the taser, and she saw Gettler fall headfirst into the bushes. She noticed that some branches were broken when Gettler hit the bushes. Perez did not see Sergeant Evans go into the bushes or kick Gettler. Perez went back into the hotel, so she did not see the officers handcuff Gettler, but she saw Gettler struggling while the officers tried to get him out of the bushes. She noticed that Gettler had a cut on his face, which she thought was from hitting his face on the bushes.


Testimony of Christopher Gettler
The Board brought Gettler in to question him during the administrative hearing, but his responses generally were incoherent and nonresponsive. A videotaped interview of Gettler, taken on December 8, 2008, was shown at the administrative hearing.


The Board’s findings relied on physical evidence and the testimony of several eyewitnesses who testified that they did not see Sergeant Evans kick Gettler. Sergeant Hernandez and the two DoubleTree employees who witnessed the incident, Adrid and Perez, did not see any kicks. The Board also noted that the photo of Gettler did not show any dirt on his white shirt that would have indicated he was kicked in the clavicle area. The Board also relied on appellant’s failure to report the kicks despite several opportunities to do so, citing Sergeant Jackson’s testimony that appellant did not report the kicks when he was first interviewed about the use of force, as well as appellant’s failure to report the kicks to Lieutenant Grossman. In addition, the Board found that appellant had a motive to make false allegations against Sergeant Evans, based on her testimony that appellant would receive an unsatisfactory rating if he did not improve his performance.

http://tvfishbowl.com/christopher-dorner-vs-lapd-legal-transcripts/

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Read the whole thing, including the manifesto,

It seems he crossed the thin blue line. But regardless, those FB pages...should raise hackles. They are venting over a well known situation.

No, not Doerner's, a police dept that is way out of control.

Miss that at your peril.

[dkf]

24. I have read everything. I read the manifesto several times.

What more is there?

One of the pieces in the file is the complaint against Evans which also is against Dorner for failing to report the kicks in the first report. So that was an official complaint.

http://content.foxtvmedia.com/kttv/news/chris_dorner/dorner_interdepartmental_correspondence_oct2008.pdf

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Whatever, we disagree

I guess some of my views are colored by personal experience and how the mentally handicapped are treated by the system. Regardless, this is well beyond Doerner any longer. Those FB pages should at least be a wailing siren.

[dkf]

45. What's not disputed is Geller was minding his own business,

Was asked to leave, was tackled and tasered and subdued.

I don't see that kicks prove so much more about how we treat the mentally ill.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. The fact that their testimony is considered suspect.

Serious, that is a real issue.

[dkf]

51. But you don't need any LAPD testimony

You have the double tree employees.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Whatever

The kickee's testimony was not considered valid as biased...

I think we are truly done.

[dkf]

53. Because he wasn't coherent.

It is what it is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Whoosh!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I read the redacted name manifesto

I want a full investigation of the LAPD.

Nadin - are the Feds leading the search for Dorner? For some reason I believe you are a journalist based in CA . . .

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Nope.

They are involved, but last I read they are part of it, not in charge...given LAPD opening fire on the wrong vehicle...

[JustAnotherGen]

34. They need to be put in charge

Amd the LAPD needs to stand down. They are acting like the New Orleans police after Katrina. And I hope the two women they shot raid their pension funds in Civil Court.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Civil court will see the city of Los Angeles General Fund.

If LA is bright, they will pick all medical costs, get them a new truck, and settle out of court.

[JI7]

8. isn't it something that he claims he has issues with the LAPD

but the first ones he killed were not the LAPD .

and the later cases with attacks on the cops happened because the cops confronted him first.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Read the unedited uncensored copy of the manifesto.

I promise, names...sadly, are in there.

The Corona cops and Riverside, that was after the manhunt started.

I am not justifying this, but if you bother reading the non censored version...you will realize they were not random. First rule in a case like this...is reading the manifesto, which I might add, ain't rambling.

I can't say it was a short read...but hey...I took the time.

[bayareamike]

11. According to Dorner

the LAPD "stole his family" from him or something along those lines. How? He never specified that.

He's killed three people, only one of which was in any way associated with the LAPD at the time of his dismissal. He's a damned hypocrite.

[pinboy3niner]

15. What he wrote:

“I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours.”

[bayareamike]

18. Thanks for posting that.

He's playing the victim here. He didn't have the opportunity to have a family of his own? Why not? Did the LAPD prevent him from dating?

He gets fired from the LAPD so ipso facto he isn't allowed to have a family? The guy is clearly fucked up in the head.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Alas this is much beyond Doerner

He is no hero, let me correct this, he is a tragic hero in the fictional setting.

But I stopped fixing my eyes on Doerner. Though his explanation for his actions are again in the manifesto, while I won't justify it, alas it is very much internally consistent.

[msanthrope]

14. That manifesto "ain't rambling?" It's the definition of "rambling." You may not realize this,

nadin, but your posts on this issue are, frankly, peculiar.

[LisaL]

27. Not random, and not somebody who did anything to him at all.

I don't think he even knew the girl or her fiancee.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. The woman was the daughter of a police captain named in the list

Her fiancée recently graduated from the Academy.

[LisaL]

29. That captian was retired and he was Dorner's lawyer.

The woman didn't do anything to Dorner. I don't think he even knew her.
It's pathetic to justify this murder in any way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Not justifying it.

At all. But the hit was not random.

This is something the major media seems to be going out of it's way not to cover.

[LisaL]

31. I never said it was random. But he didn't even know this woman.

And her father was representing Dorner.
So that's what his fault was-he lost the case.
And media covered it, so I have no clue whatsoever as to what you are talking about here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. They have? I ave yet to hear that. And for some strange reason

I am keeping a close eye. Regardless, except for the OC Weekly I have yet to read anybody go into the small problem of people in minority communities seeng him as a hero...LAPD has a serious problem.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. I agree

Seems like they are making it random. It's not.

A gun is not the answer. Never. But it stinks to high heaven.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Fuck Murderin' Christopher... he didn't blow the whistle; he BLEW PEOPLE AWAY.

So far as I'm concerned, we KNOW there are problems at the LAPD. That's not news.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Except

They still call us n*ggers - no different than in the early 1990s. Or as Paul Mooney said - he never knew racism until he left the deep South and moved out there as a kid . . In the 1950's.

Taking a gun and putting bullets in people is never an answer. But in reading his manifesto - he says what I've heard when in a room full of other black Americans . . . In regards to the President.

And his experiences as a young kid - mirror mine. Especially the bully thing. My brother got that one - M.S. punched him, called him a n*gger on the playground - my brother kicked him to get away from him - brother was the bully. Small town outside of Rochester NY in th at 70's/early 80's.

Black kids in white neighborhoods know they have to take it. No one stands up for them. And god forbid they retaliate.

When I read that manifesto - I read 30 years of taking it - but on a depressed/mentally ill man with Military training who wants Hillary in 2016? How many more are there out there.

The FB worship? That's frightening. That's anger. That's powerless and angry. And a gun to take out one's anger is not the answer.


Terribly sad he mentioned Trayvon Martin - but it was necessary. Non black America underestimates how livid black America is about that and the "boys will be boys" attitude about Zimmerman. He put that in his manifesto. And he starts killing people around what would have been Trayvon's birthday. All of the cover up and protection oftat murder Zimmerman, plus a simmering anger - and tho FB Pages scare the hell out of me.

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. I can kind of understand that but...

He killed three people who had little or no contact with him at any point in his life.

I'm of a mind to throw everything he said out the window.

Zimmerman is an idiot and there is no excuse for what he did either. I shudder to see what happens if he's acquitted. I was watching TV after work on the day the cops who beat Rodney King were acquitted and saw what was a small disturbance at the corner of Florence and Normandy turn into something I couldn't fathom.

I have no sympathy for Christopher Dorner. None whatsoever. I'm sorry, and I'm not discounting your reply. It's well reasoned and all of it is true. Dorner needs to answer for what he's done, and what may or may not have happened to him is no excuse for taking the lives of three people he might not have even known.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. Zimmerman is not an idiot

Hes a racist. He knew precisely what he was doing. And I shudder to think what will happen if he is acquitted too.

Black America - us is pissed. And it's not just about Trayvon.

I want Dorner caught alive. I want him brought to justice. I also want America to wake the fuck up. This isn't a "thug". This isn't a loser like Zimmerman who never did one thing of value in his life.

What flipped this guys switch? Not being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative here - but this tips the hat to the AWB. Dorner pointed it out himself. It also tips the hat to mental illness. Is he off the rails? Nope. But he even said he is depressesed. What flipped the switch where he couldn't take the institutional racism in America anymore?

Zimmerman comes from the people who have all the power (look at the family background). He didn't measure up to anything.

Dorner measured up. That frightens me.

[BainsBane]

35. I don't care for killers, period.

He's got no support from me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. As I have told others, this is not about Doerner any more

But quite a lot about minority communities and LAPD scandals. Some of his manifesto is all but baseless. Houston, we got a problem. Or rather, LAPD might have a serious problem on their paws.

Oh and before you say it, this is sociology, not justifying or defending Doerner.

[BainsBane]

41. I haven't followed it closely enough

One gunner told me the guy was a gun control activist put into a frenzy by Piers Morgan and people like me who don't like guns. Not quite sure want a gun control activist is doing with a 50 caliber rifle. I think the gunner was projecting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. The gunner was projecting.

Doerner actually writes how easy it was for him to get the arsenal, including class III items, such as noise suppressors. He wrote it should not be that easy.

Trust me, it was a part of the manifesto that had me going, "buddy you got all this, including a very illegal in CA 50 Cal BMG, and you telling me we should not....some in the pro gun debate ain't gona like it."

His comments on Piers were in full agreement, but that Americans don't ant a Brit telling them that.

I could find the actual quotes if you want, though Farminator posted them.

It was one of those, ok...this guy s not well, but this is a valid point.

[BainsBane]

48. truthfully

This particular gunner doesn't seem quite right himself.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. That is always possible.

What worries me is that if they don't take him alive...and it looks like a street execution...we could see issues.

Why this has gone well beyond Doerner. And having read it, I get it, why the support Doerner pages have popped up. In my mind it s well beyond time DOJ gets involved.

[Luminous Animal]

42. I wonder just how much support that guy has. I visited the faceboook page featured

in the article and it had about 2 hours ago, 534 likes. My daughter has more friends than that on facebook. It is said that there are other pages but I'm not going to go searching for them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I suspect he can find safe houses

[Luminous Animal]

47. Totally does not address the question. But I suspect that any "safe" house he

finds will be at the end of a gun.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. I mean one in the true sense of the word

Plus he is following a carefully done plan.

[joshcryer]

61. 896 now.

I saw a Reddit thread where there was a lot of support for his views but not necessarily cop killing (they seemed all conflicted on that count). There are rumors / CT that there are two versions floating around, one in which he mentions gun control, support for Feinstein, etc, but there's another version without that stuff in there.

I think Twitter is where his biggest supporters are.

[Luminous Animal]

62. Groovy. So what does that have to do with the imaginary support on DU?

And, out of hundreds of millions of people in this U.S. there are a few 10s of 1000s that support his views about the sewer that is the LAPD and fewer still that support the killing.

It's a national crisis, I tells ya!

[joshcryer]

65. Just answering the question.

I didn't see any support for the killings here on DU though some are supportive of his manifesto which may or may not be the rantings of a madman. (I read the whole thing, I find his writing quite good, what a waste.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. There are two versions

One as names redacted, mostly used by the media, and a second with names not redacted. I got both copies.

[truegrit44]

58. I do NOT support anything this man has done regarding the killing of

innocent people!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to say tho "IF" I was him I would not give the LAPD or any other law enforcement agency the credit for killing me. I would go somewhere in the total middle of nowhere and kill myself and hope that they didn't find my body for a long time. The LA mafia would be going crazy and be looking over their shoulders until I was found, which would serve them right, especially after their little hit on those poor women.

Only thing that would be bad is how many innocent victims would be shot by these gun happy, fearful cops until the body was found.

Just a crazy thought...............

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. He is engaged in a campaign of asymmetrical warfare.

That thought is not that crazy.

It had not occurred to me, but will have to keep an eye on this possibility.