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Really neat stuff!
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Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)To mark their territory if buildings and train cars and freeway signs had this treatment. This product will cut down water usage too for clean up.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Can I coat my blouses and T-shirts with it?
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)down my front. That was the first thing I thought of, but then how would you wash the clothing?
Warpy
(114,615 posts)Impressive stuff!
htuttle
(23,738 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)silverweb
(16,410 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Because it's "proprietary" and they don't reveal what the nanosubstance is, I'm wondering if it's the first commercially patented form of graphene oxide, which has similar hydrophobic abilities. I've been following the studies of graphene since I first became aware of it -- a near-miraculous material with some really exotic properties.
Sienna86
(2,153 posts)The first two things I will coat with this stuff.
El Shaman
(583 posts)so I can move out of the dog house!!
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)and I thought of the car. I'm wondering if it can damage surfaces though.
pacalo
(24,857 posts)Walkways, driveways & vehicles, too!
alfredo
(60,301 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)iemitsu
(3,891 posts)And maybe even my boat.
The ultimate teflon.
I wonder what the longevity of this product is? It seems pretty wonderful.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Coat a house painters brush when they aren't looking.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Painters I know are very touchy about their brushes. They don't even want someone else to touch one of theirs
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...how is this video any different that any "As seen on TV" informercial about miracle stain removers?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)potentially used so quickly that MAJOR environmental impact studies should be done BEFORE we find the stuff is out there big time and then we find the problems. Teflon???
Aside from that....
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)I looked for their letter from the EPA and there is nothing. I'd like to know how they managed to put their product on the market without a letter from the EPA giving it clearance.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)with the excess forming a white powder that will wash into waterways......
We'll be eating the stuff. Does it bioaccumulate? Does it ever biodegrade?
I have a million questions and no answers.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)...in case of a spill, wearing off into, whatever. Probably don't want something "hydrophobic" coating/absorbing into soil.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...I can tell you that I would love to know how they got around it.
I right there with you, I'd love to know how this could impact the environment.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)It may be that common "approved" materials have completely different properties as nanoparticles - including things like how they pass through the blood-brain barrier.
Huge regulatory hole.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)invisible hand of the marketplace to guide us. If there's any problem with it, a few people will get sick, maybe become debilitated for life or possibly die. Or maybe it'll kill off some biosphere that didn't really look all that important (at first). But hey, the rest of us will just stop buying it, the company will go out of business, and problem is solved. No need for big gov't liberal EPA to upset the apple cart too soon before a healthy profit can be made for the original investors before the business can be dumped onto somebody else who can be the scapegoat for when it all falls apart..
Ain't American-style capitalism grand?
FSogol
(47,623 posts)That's completely gone except the bits floating around in people's bloodstreams.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)The original formula for Scotchgard was discovered accidentally in 1952 by 3M chemists Patsy Sherman and Samuel Smith. Sales began in 1956, and in 1973 the two chemists received a patent for the formula.[1][2]
In 1999, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) began an investigation into the class of chemicals used in Scotchgard, after receiving information on the global distribution and toxicity of perfluorooctane sulfonate (PFOS),[3] the "key ingredient"[4] of Scotchgard. The compound perfluorooctanesulfonamide (PFOSA), a PFOS precursor, was an ingredient[5] and also has been described as the "key ingredient"[6] of Scotchgard. Under USEPA pressure,[7] in May 2000 3M announced the phaseout of the production of PFOA, PFOS, and PFOS-related products.[8]
3M reformulated Scotchgard and since June 2003 has replaced PFOS with perfluorobutanesulfonic acid (PFBS).[9] PFBS has a much shorter half-life in people than PFOS (a little over one month vs. 5.4 years).[4] In May 2009 PFOS was determined to be a persistent organic pollutant (POP) by the Stockholm Convention.[10]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotchgard
FSogol
(47,623 posts)wish someone was regulating nanotechnology.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/7278
With a pretty interesting podcast/discussion on it here:
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/audio-video/item/nanotechnologys_little_universe_of_big_unknowns/
I think what it comes down to is that there are a lot of unanswered (and unasked) questions.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Important stuff.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)The podcast has some professionals who are kind of on the pro-nanotech bandwagon, and not enough questions are fielded, but it's still a pretty decent listen. The first part of it has the author reading a good deal of her essay. Also, that site usually has great input in the article's comments section.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Sentient beings tend to destroy themselves by embracing advanced technologies they only partially understand.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)The odds of contacting another civilization looks good - unless the time between "capable of transmitting radio waves" and "self-extinction" is small.
Attended a lecture by Philip Morrison from MIT in the 70s. The big worry then was The Bomb.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Since scientists have kept upping the number of presumed planets, does that mean the odds are increasing?
Anyway, reminds me of something Terence McKenna said in regards to the way we've been burning through resources so rapidly:
"The problem is, energy can be used to destroy as well as build. So as the human enterprise has moved toward greater and greater power, and ability to manipulate the environment, the stakes in the cosmic game have risen. And now what we have is approximately $100 billion sitting in the center of the crap table, and one roll of the dice more and were going to either win it or lose everything. Because intelligence, if we fail, will never again reach the kind of levels on this planet that we have reached.
Why? Because we have extracted all the available metals near the surface of the Earth; an evolving species following after us will find the Earth strangely depleted of usable materials, down to the 1500-foot level; and so intelligence coming beyond us will find it just does not have the resources to make the leap to technical civilization. So its beginning to look like a one-shot deal."
I think the "one-shot deal" he was talking about was an intelligent, technological species leaving the planet and exploring the cosmos (and/or surviving, for that matter).
That lecture must have been something. I wasn't familiar with Philip Morrison, but it seemed like he was in the thick of it.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)The Drake equation is a long series of terms starting with the number of stars in the universe times the average planets per star times the average percent of planets with liquid water and on and on.
But the two terms that really whittles the number down are the average planets with life that develop technological civilizations and then the final term is the average duration of such civilizations. With a 15 billion yr. old universe, if you're only around a hundred years or so, the odds of two civilizations detecting each other becomes vanishingly small.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)"Because nanoparticles are so small, they can slip past the bodys various barriers: skin, the blood-brain barrier, the lining of the gut and airways. Once inside, these tiny particles can bind to many things. They seem to build up over time, especially in the brain. Some cause inflammation and cell damage. Preliminary research shows this can harm the organs of lab animals, though the results of some of these studies are a matter of debate."
This paragraph is not inspiring confidence in me.
Thanks for the links!
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)If the responses to this thread are typical, many, many will grab the stuff for the sexy uses and we'll all be part of yet-another Grand Experiment.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:25 AM - Edit history (1)
...another thing I was wondering about, which they didn't address in the article or the podcast discussion, is how they interact with our microbiome - which we are only now beginning to grasp the importance of. Like how some of our habits upset key bacterial balance (and here), and just how effective tending to/restoring that bacterial balance/diversity can be in treating illnesses.
alfredo
(60,301 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It's cool as hell and can be used for hundreds of things but what happens when it goes into the ground water and stuff like that?
A little bit is one thing but everyone will be using this stuff. Does it stay put? Does it eventually wash off?
Cool as hell, but I feel like I would like more answers.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)They've been looking for a way to keep their verbal diarrhea from sticking to them for decades. It's their dream come true.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I think I'm well into my third gallon of washer fluid this winter.
RZM
(8,556 posts)That repels the milk? That's what we really need.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)FINA banned the full body polyurethane and neoprene suits after the 25 world records made in the 2008 Olympics, resulting in a significantly lower performance in the last five years.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)may be called for.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)If not now, then in the very near and foreseeable future.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)...because you just know the competitive swimmers are going to mix it with a cream base and apply it to their bodies.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)I can't help but wonder if it has already happened.
A cursory glance at the FAQs leaves me with the impression that the product is less than safe for direct human application.
Once dry, there are no known environmental concerns. The coating has been found to be safe for use in nonfood
contact areas of food processing plants. The coating meets FDA and USDA regulations for those types of applications.
When applying the coating, we recommend using gloves and avoiding skin contact as it will dry out the skin.
Goggles for eye protection and respirators with P100 pre-fi lters and organic vapor cartridges are also recommended
during the spray-on application.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)No more chance of black mold.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Wonder if it can be submerged, or flexes when the underlying materials contract and expand?
rwsanders
(3,180 posts)shireen
(8,340 posts)No more dishes.
No more carpet stains.
No more windows to clean.
No more laundry?
Really? I'm sold!
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)I'll take the risk of my stuff getting wet
http://io9.com/ultra-ever-dry/
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Tab
(11,093 posts)If so, I'm hooked.
d_r
(6,908 posts)alfredo
(60,301 posts)shanti
(21,799 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:38 AM - Edit history (1)
my mind is racing with ideas for applications of this stuff! the roofing and automotive industries come to mind immediately.
El Shaman
(583 posts)Can I advertise my fancy (GOPTea) 'pinatas' here for free too!!!???
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
(408 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,300 posts)With this stuff and it should fly thru the Ocean...
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)We might have bought time to properly study the stuff before, thanks the the almost assured mass use starting NOW, we find the stuff omnipresent in the environment.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)That's amazing!
TroubleMan
(4,868 posts)<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
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(12,465 posts)One has to wonder, though, about any possible harmful effects.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Look Martha it repels water! Say, why is little Johnny convulsing over there?
Check upthread.
drokhole
(1,230 posts)Possible product tagline?
dobleremolque
(1,121 posts)My city oughta buy it by the railroad tank-car load....
NBachers
(19,438 posts)Mira
(22,685 posts)to have lived long enough to see this.
I could see oodles of apps for this in my little life.
Amazing and needed.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I want it! This is gonna be huge.
You know, we talk about water conservation, something like this could potentially make a significant difference.
applegrove
(132,216 posts)That is what scares me.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)But they really repel water! So who cares?
Ian David
(69,059 posts)
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Oh wait.....
d_r
(6,908 posts)I was thinking of a tent - I wonder what it would do to the morning dew build up.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)I wonder if it would work on cars covered with snow?
