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I was reading something today about Medicare and drug costs. Then latter I was reading an op-ed on a legal case not related. Something about getting around a law you can't get changed.
Light bulb. Medicare can't negotiate with drug companies over costs by law. Why not have Medicare buy from the Veteran's Administration THAT CAN negotiate? Let the VA have 5% for saving us all billions of $?
Thoughts?
OS
Suich
(10,642 posts)Never heard that before...
TIA!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)There is no time limit on editing your posts anymore.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)It's buried somewhere in there.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... up in the middle of the night. Watching it all unfurl on C-Span. It was a 15 minute vote. and when 15 minutes was up, it wasn't. I don't know how long it took, as the Republicans were in the cloak room twisting arms. But when it was all over, the Republicons won. No negotiations on drug prices, like the VA does it. Medicare Part D...
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/73/allow-medicare-to-negotiate-for-cheaper-drug-price/
Updates:
Action unlikely before end of administration
Updated: Wednesday, April 25th, 2012 | By Martha M. Hamilton
As a candidate, Barack Obama promised to repeal a prohibition on Medicare negotiating directly with drug companies over prices for Medicare recipients. But it's widely viewed as unlikely to before the end of the current Obama administration.
"It's hard to tell you that anything will happen prior to the election this year. It's going to be a difficult year to get any kind of legislation passed," said David Certner, legislative policy director for AARP.
"It has not happened and isn't likely to happen," said Gail Wilensky, who directed the Medicare and Medicaid programs from 1990 to 1992 under President George H.W. Bush.
"The Obama administration only has so much control over that, but I doubt Congress is going to pass it," said Lee Goldberg, vice president of health policy for the non partisan National Academy of Social Insurance.
FULL story at link.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)It is prohibited by law.
If Medicare could work through VA, they could negotiate the prices on their own.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)Link perhaps?
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)It says that only the PRIVATE insurance companies that actually implement Part D are able to negotiate. And because each insurer is much smaller than the Medicare system at large, they have much less bargaining power.
The point is that the "government" isn't allowed to be involved at all, not directly, and not indirectly by working with the VA.
Having the Medicare agency negotiate these prices would have two cost-reducing benefits. First, it would lower the prices for the drugs themselves. Secondly it would lower the overhead carried by the Part D insurers.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)Why not float the balloon anyway? I'd love to see the drug companies explain why something is 4-10 times a higher price than the VA pays in a court room.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)The issue is Medicare Part D.
Under Medicare Part D, the government plays no role in determining drug prices. The PRIVATE insurance companies individually negotiate prices with the Pharma companies. That is how the Medicare Part D law is written.
I don't know how to say it any more clearly.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)Since it is done by the VA.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)The drugs are purchased by the PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES that participate in Part D. Medicare is prohibited from being involved in that. The law has to change.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)OK. Changing this to a change the law topic. But the D's will have to be in control of the house.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Do you understand there is a big, lengthy law that defines exactly how Medicare Part D works?
I agree with you that Americans would be better served if Medicare could negotiate fair prices for drugs, but the law says they cannot. The law says that each Part D supplier negotiates its own prices. None of that has anything to do with the VA.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)OR let the VA do part D coverage at a profit of say 5-10%. It would still come in way under what other companies negotiate for a price. And helps the VA's bottom line.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)both in the inauguration speech and the State of the Union, when he talked about cutting medicare costs....of course, as usual, it kinda gets skipped over.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I know it's prolly a pipe dream, but...
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)while the Republicans are busy obstructing, it'll probably come like a sucker punch in future fiscal negotiations. The President has the high ground right now and common sense issues like this will have a good chance of being enacted.
It's a shame that the President has to play this game every time just to get the Republicans to simply, "do the right thing" by the country.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Because you just trust the govt. to do anything correctly... ( Bill Frist or whatever the fuck his name was).
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Good idea OS!
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)An idea that 10 or 20 million dollars of pharmaceutical company money would bury under a ton of bullshit.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)another Republican dope from WI-Tommy Thompson, while he was Secretary of Health (is it "and Human Resources"?) under W.
Thank goodness Tammy Baldwin whipped his tired old wrinkly alcoholic womanizing butt and claimed the Senate seat. WI already has one idiot Repub (Senator Sunspot Johnson), I'd have to really consider moving if we had two....
mtasselin
(666 posts)That would be great if it could and would happen, but I am sure that the pharmaceutical companies have already thought about that. Let's give it a try and who knows maybe just maybe the American people can win one.
littlemissmartypants
(22,655 posts)will you use
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http://www.change.org/
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/
http://www.petitiononline.com/
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
http://www.petitionspot.com/
or
http://twitition.com/ ?
http://www.topsite.com/best/petition
Love, Peace and Shelter. lmsp
rurallib
(62,411 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)And make it illegal to buy from the VA.
I'd like to put a sarcasm tag here but I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)You either belong in the WH, Congress, or on MSNBC.. Sounds easy enough to me. Let's do it!