Listening to Norman Goldman: Now he is explaining NDAA very nicely.

[teddy51]

WTF could this Administration not trot out a very good Lawyer to explain this to the people, instead of letting many of us go into absolute panic mode. Our conditioning has come from 8 years of Bush BS, granted. But it would have been very easy to get someone that knows this new law, to explain it to the people.

I am trusting this guy, I guess because he has a link to Ed Shultz. He used to stand in for Shultz in 2006 on his radio show.

That is all.

[MadHound]

1. Why not listen to what the man in your avatar has to say?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100223547

I think he gets it right.

[teddy51]

3. I believe him as well, but many really want to know if they are indeed going to end up

in jail tomorrow, and I don't recall Bernie telling us that.

Here is a link to Goldman. http://www.normangoldman.com/stream/norm-video-mac.asp

[MadHound]

5. Tomorrow, no,

But next week, next month, next year when you've decided you've had enough and take up the Occupy banner? Yeah, then this provision could be effecting you, personally.

[teddy51]

8. Hey the bill sucks, so what should we do about it? It's better than I thought it was for

US citizens, now. Don't know about tomorrow.

[teddy51]

6. Oh, and by the way I love Bernie and Goldman also says that this bill sucks the big one.

The question now is, what do we do about it? It has passed both houses, and Obama is about to sign it, so what do we do.

[frazzled]

2. Who would listen?

People don't even listen to these explanations when they're stated in a forum like a national speech or interview or the State of the Union. They seem to get their marching orders on the subject third-hand from sources scouring the fine print to find a tricky way to negatively interpret what might possibly, in some alternate universe or under conditions that have never occurred, conceivably, maybe happen. Only they can't. But their minions don't really care. They've got their hook.

That is all.

[teddy51]

9. I'm one of those people, I freak out with the thought that I could be arrested and held

without charge forever. Who can blame anyone for that?

[frazzled]

10. I think maybe you missed my point

But never mind. Sleep well tonight. I think you're safe.

[teddy51]

12. Thanks, I will. n/t

[gtar100]

4. Yes, that was a very good explanation.

It surprised me.

[Autumn]

7. I think I trust Bernie

"This bill also contains misguided provisions that in the name of fighting terrorism essentially authorize the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens without charges. While we must aggressively pursue international terrorists and all of those who would do us harm, we must do it in a way that protects the Constitution and the civil liberties which make us proud to be Americans."


He explained that very nicely.

[teddy51]

14. I believe Bernie as well, but were beyond that now. The bill has passed, and is about

to be signed by Obama so not much we can do about it. Not happy about it.

[gateley]

17. I believe them both, but they, like us all, will see things through different filters. nt

[Autumn]

18. Not happy at all. This is not a good way to fire up the base,

the ones who pay attention to policy, before an election. God forbid Jeb Bush or any of his ilk have this power in 2016. That is unforgivable.

[gateley]

11. Norm is so good at explaining legal stuff - and he's not afraid to call out Obama when he feels

it's warranted, so I believe what he says, too. No agenda.

[Taverner]

13. We may not see the effects of NDAA right now

In fact, my guess is we won't

Just like we didn't see the effects of Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific (decided in 1886) until the 20th century...

[Dewey Finn]

16. One of the most insightful posts I've seen on this issue.

Thank you.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

15. Let's see Bernie and the ACLU --

do not like this bill. As it stands it STILL allows indefinite detention of non-US citizens, something anyone who believes in Justice should be 100% against.

Fuck the NDAA bill, and shame on Obama when he signs the crap.

[teddy51]

19. No arguments from me. My concern with this OP/Thread was that we, US citizens

were not up for grabs with this bill. To say I am not happy that the Senate passed it with an over whelming majority is absolutely a travisty.