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The Idiot Culture (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2013 OP
This is what happens when we allow political inbreeding to run amok. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #1
Russia's had a few cultural upheavals. Igel Feb 2013 #5
Wow, flashback... Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #6
After the fall of the USSR and reemergence of Russia in the early 90s the people wanted xtraxritical Feb 2013 #16
Too tragically true... cbrer Feb 2013 #2
K&R patrice Feb 2013 #3
This should be its own post. BrotherIvan Feb 2013 #20
That should totally be the focus of the next episode of "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo". Liberal Veteran Feb 2013 #4
Idiocracy is a documentary film n2doc Feb 2013 #6
for sure fizzgig Feb 2013 #11
'the weird and the stupid and the coarse are becoming our cultural norm, even our cultural ideal. freshwest Feb 2013 #8
A perfect respose. defacto7 Feb 2013 #10
Two words, Jeff Foxworthy. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #17
Well said. /nt Festivito Feb 2013 #21
The Dumbing Down. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #9
We aren't already there? See the advertisements... kwijybo Feb 2013 #12
... progressoid Feb 2013 #28
when making a graphic bemoaning idiot culture, one should do some serious proofreading... KG Feb 2013 #13
D'OH!1111111!!!!1 datasuspect Feb 2013 #22
The movie (unfortunately) has already been made GiveMeFreedom Feb 2013 #14
There is a documentary called Idiocracy.... WCGreen Feb 2013 #15
+1 - from the same folks who created Beavis & Butthead Berlum Feb 2013 #24
We all agree pure capitalism produces crap entertainment, so why can't we all agree... reformist2 Feb 2013 #18
Dumbest country on Earth by design. The Wizard Feb 2013 #19
The idiots are definitely taking over MrScorpio Feb 2013 #23
The idiots are definitely taking over Flashmann Feb 2013 #25
"I am asleep during the day" sibelian Feb 2013 #26
Yep. When people can convince themselves that fraud, conspiracy and cover-ups have Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #27
Tragically true. progressoid Feb 2013 #29
Agree but if you are going to call out idiocy treestar Feb 2013 #30

Igel

(35,359 posts)
5. Russia's had a few cultural upheavals.
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:43 PM
Feb 2013

The linguistic base of the country changed twice, and some complain that it's undergone another shift recently.

In all cases it's because the official culture--which valued works of literature, music, elevated styles of speech or at least certain forms of speech--were denigrated to the point of being ridiculed. In some cases some portions or aspects of the "high" culture had become effete and extravagant. That didn't hold for most of the high culture, which valued tradition and certain kinds of behavioral and cultural norms.

In the first upheaval, in the early 1800s, it was Romanticism. This was an upper-crust affair and while it affected the culture, it didn't coarsen society. Society was already coarse and the refined portions were a small layer floating on the top. This "upheaval" was only in some kinds of norms. The lower-class culture stayed where it was.

By the mid 1910s there was a fairly sizeable "upper culture", with societal norms for a kind of merchant and middle class. Industrialization had been happening quite quickly in the 1890s and early 1900s. There were norms for speaking and behaving.

The Russian Revolution sharply coarsened the culture because the "new culture" was that of the proletariat. It openly disavowed the older culture and its adherents vowed to replace it. Some adherents were talented. Most of them either wound up rejecting the vile proletarian culture that was forming and were incarcerated as class enemies or they committed suicide, whether literal (by hanging themselves, etc.) or by drinking themselves into mediocrity. The economy was in the toilet, as well, as the USSR's pace of industrialization utterly collapsed. The "vanguard" destroyed things well, but the old guard restored the economy and culture--but only in part. It lacked power and authority and that flopped in the end.

Stalin rescued high culture and looked backwards. Slavishly imitating the past, his "culture" codified some behavioral norms that were better than proletarian norms, but "high culture" was utter imitative drek.

There were hopes in the 1990s that the gray culture that existed under Brezhnev and which was fading under Gorbachev would blossom into a bright, lively cultural medium. Literature, music, societal norms. Under El'tsyn this flopped, and what happened was another "Untermenschen" revival, as the culture of the masses was taken as the new norm.

The new norm was more sexist, racist, jingoistic, narrow-minded, and petty-minded than the old was. On top floated a vibrant cultural scene, but it was largely separated from normal people and largely unhinged.

Moral: "High culture" can be removed from the populace and too refined. On the other hand, low culture has always been brutish and thuggish, because that's what the majority of people gravitate to unless they're taught otherwise. For the last 40 years or more we've been taught that popular culture is a commercially valuable commodity by the Right; we've been taught that low culture is an ideologically preferable, "authentic" and superior kind of culture by the Left.

We've gotten what we've paid for and worked for.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
16. After the fall of the USSR and reemergence of Russia in the early 90s the people wanted
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:25 PM
Feb 2013

everything American. Too bad they got their wish.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
2. Too tragically true...
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:20 PM
Feb 2013

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. 'the weird and the stupid and the coarse are becoming our cultural norm, even our cultural ideal.
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013
Yes, it's hard to miss.

We are a country that in some ways, never had a culture of much depth, since we have largely based our tradition on a short history compared to other nations. Commerical speech has subverted freedom of speech, appealing to the lowest common denominator in the American subconscious for profit and replacing reflection and education with arrogant ignorance. Any attempt to lift discussion any higher is attacked.

The makings of a full Idiocracy is all around us, although it's more than that.We may be seeing the beginning of Brave New World, with its five castes entitled Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon. We don't need the Hatchery to create these, they can be altered by media and religion after being born, I guess.

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
14. The movie (unfortunately) has already been made
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013

The movie is funny and I laughed out loud a few times. About a 1 star movie, imo.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
18. We all agree pure capitalism produces crap entertainment, so why can't we all agree...
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:27 PM
Feb 2013

pure capitalism produces a crappy economy?

The Wizard

(12,549 posts)
19. Dumbest country on Earth by design.
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:32 PM
Feb 2013

Just smart enough to operate the means of production, but too stupid to realize a good hosing.

Baitball Blogger

(46,760 posts)
27. Yep. When people can convince themselves that fraud, conspiracy and cover-ups have
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:57 AM
Feb 2013

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any legal basis, we have crossed the line into Stupidville.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. Agree but if you are going to call out idiocy
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:24 PM
Feb 2013

best to use the possessive form "its" rather than the contraction "it's" if you need the possessive form to be used.

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