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Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:43 PM

Well here's a frightening new development on the employment front

A new tactic for keeping wages low and throwing out the "old".


"A new casino set to open in Atlantic City, N.J., has announced it will set term limits for its front-line staff. When employees' terms run out, they'll have to go through the hiring process again. The casino says the policy will keep its service fresh. Others say the company is taking advantage of a tough job market.

From bellhops to dealers, employees of the new casino called Revel will be hired for terms from four to six years. After that, they have to reapply for their jobs and compete against other candidates."

http://m.npr.org/news/front/146000685

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Reply Well here's a frightening new development on the employment front (Original post)
The empressof all Jan 2012 OP
Zalatix Jan 2012 #1
cyberswede Jan 2012 #2
mike_c Jan 2012 #3
saras Jan 2012 #15
mike_c Jan 2012 #23
HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #4
redqueen Jan 2012 #5
ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
Speck Tater Jan 2012 #6
stopbush Jan 2012 #7
justabob Jan 2012 #8
Enrique Jan 2012 #10
justabob Jan 2012 #17
appleannie1 Jan 2012 #9
arcane1 Jan 2012 #11
redqueen Jan 2012 #21
rufus dog Jan 2012 #22
FarCenter Jan 2012 #26
RDANGELO Jan 2012 #12
librechik Jan 2012 #13
The empressof all Jan 2012 #14
JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #16
digonswine Jan 2012 #18
Initech Jan 2012 #19
grntuscarora Jan 2012 #20
zabet Jan 2012 #25
TwilightGardener Jan 2012 #27
LynneSin Jan 2012 #28

Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:44 PM

1. holy s$!t!!!

 

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:45 PM

2. That is hideous! nt

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:46 PM

3. if, after four or six years you have to reapply for your job...

...then what's to stop you from reapplying more generally, and letting OTHER potential employers compete for access to the skills you learned working for these turkeys...?

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Response to mike_c (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:23 PM

15. What skills? You'll have no skills valued by anyone but them - they make sure of it

 

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Response to saras (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 07:54 PM

23. still, one would think that experience in the business must count for something...

...and if they have to reapply, why not reapply to every casino in town? Let them compete with one another for "experienced" employees.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:47 PM

4. And the worst part about it is . . .

. . . there'll be queues of people willing to sign on to this bullshit and completely regressive process because A job is better than NO job.

Yes, this IS taking gross advantage of an employERs market.

The U.S. is going to come to a fiery and ugly end if the people would only figure out where that fist is REALLY coming from.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:48 PM

5. They've been warning about this for years now.

In the future, they want all jobs to be temp/contract jobs.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 05:19 AM

24. +1000

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:50 PM

6. Kind of puts employers on an equal footing with elected officials.

 

But where that policy is really needed is the marriage contract. Think of how much more considerate spouses would be of each other if the contract had to be renewed every few years.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:51 PM

7. And if you're rehired, you'll no doubt go back to "new hire" wages, wiping out any raises

you received over those 4-6 years.

I lived in Las Vegas for a couple of years, and casino owners did that all the time - lay off long-time workers and hire newbies at the lowest wage possible. And Vegas is a town with very strong unions.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:53 PM

8. they are shooting themselves in the foot, I think

I can't see how that is going to save money. I mean I get it that nobody is going to get raises etc, but turnover is a pain in the ass generally. Training newbies, the paperwork, managing whatever certifications employees need. Service *might* be better for this method, but more likely employees will be losing their jobs about the same time they are actually getting good at whatever they do.

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Response to justabob (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:10 PM

10. they probably cut corners on the training

put as much on the employee as possible, maybe hire huge training classes, give them minimal training, and then cut all but a handful, probably veterans in the industry. It's a business model that only works with huge masses of desperate workers to run through the process.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:34 PM

17. no doubt

but that costs too.... food/bev mistakes, slowness, customer complaints, comps. You're right that it only works if you have masses of desperate workers. I don't think it will work for long though. Service does matter, and they will piss off customers enough or make it so difficult that they don't come back. You know?

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:55 PM

9. That is stupid. I hope they can only get people that don't have a work ethic to work for them.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:11 PM

11. Notice this only applies to 'front line' staff

 

Those sitting in their plush upper-floor offices don't have to deal with this bullshit.

My employer has been going wild with hiring contractors, and treating them like 2nd-class citizens. We have contractors here that have been with us for 3 and 4 years (longer than many of the employees), and they are never invited when we have holiday lunches, etc. And 2011 saw a huge increase, company-wide, in this practice.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:47 PM

21. Good point. It's only for the workers, not the management.

Ugh.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:54 PM

22. Happens all the time

 

I get hired to implement software or run a project for the client. Until the recent job, I had three in a row where myself and the contract team were not invited to any event. We would have team building sessions and invite the employers staff but it would not be reciprocated.

For me it is not a big issue, for the employers it creates a great deal of ill will with thier own employees. Had one job with a MAJOR (top five in cash on hand in the U.S.) where I took over a job that was staffed by all internal resources. Went live and was not invited to the go live lunch, so they saved twenty dollars. Two employees complained at the table with the CIO that I wasn't there and came back with an attitude. Took them aside and told them to stay calm, and schedule a lunch with just the small group of devlopers and business analysts. Billed the company two extra hours, paid for a nice luncheon, problem solved. The company lost money on the transaction and the core team got two lunches.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 09:57 AM

26. This has happened in the defense and aerospace industries for years.

 

They hire employees or engage contractor personnel when they get a big government contract, and they terminate them when the contract is over.

Same thing in many construction jobs.

Permanent employment is a thing of the past.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:11 PM

12. That's suprising.

In an industry that relies heavily on security, I would bet that they have more instances of theft from employees since they would be less loyal to the employer. Loyal employees should be a high prioraty

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:15 PM

13. Ah, More "New Normal" policies for us 21st century serfs.

Yeah, we'll be fighting each other over these jobs too. If the 1% continues to get its way (don't see anything strong enough to stop them on the horizon yet. Do you?)

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Response to librechik (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:19 PM

14. No...I don't see things getting better

As long as the culture values bottom line, profit driven business practices employees will be viewed as commodities.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:31 PM

16. They should advertise this to their customers if they think it's a positive policy.

Put it on the sign out front: "We fire our workers every six years whether they deserve it or not".

We know they won't, because the policy is designed only to lock workers into low wages. Since most casino gamblers are hourly workers wasting their money on vacation they'll be able to relate this happening to them at their job.

No one this side of a corporate boardroom can say this is a good idea, and I hope local unions make this policy clear to people considering a place to gamble. They aren't the only place in town waiting to steal our money.

on edit:
How do they even get away with this? Isn't this what the airlines tried to do decades ago to ensure young attractive stewardesses? Next the company will have a physical test where female workers have to fit under a desk.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:35 PM

18. Ahh-the Menudo employment system-

assholes

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:38 PM

19. And the GOP's war on the worker continues.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2012, 03:45 PM

20. Back in April of last year

the casinos were trying to get rid of the older female employees through humiliation--making them squeeze into too small uniforms.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x785800

Looks like this is a way to accomplish the purge of older women without having to answer to any age discrimination complaints.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 09:18 AM

25. Seems like

this would also be used by employers to not offer any benefits as contract and temp employers are not 'full time eligible for ins. and bennies employees.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:13 AM

27. High turnover used to be considered a bad thing--a problem to solve.

I suppose because these are low-skilled workers, they figure if they get 5 years out of them, they've more than gotten their money's worth out of their training and experience--but they haven't yet gotten expensive in terms of raises or benefits (I guess they can't be vested in any retirement plans, either?). 4-5 years must be the sweet spot to can people and make them start over.

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Response to The empressof all (Original post)

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:19 AM

28. in the hospitality industry - experience pays

'Fresh' means new and inexperience and the service tends to be lower than what you could expect from an experienced staff.

As someone who worked in a restaurant, we had regulars that came to dine at our place 1-2 times a week and they would only come on the days that their favorite waiters were working and only wanted them to wait on them. The hostesses greeted these people by name and the bartenders could mix their drink to perfection. If you are constantly replacing staff you lose the ability to really get to know your customers and create an environment where they would want to return again and again.

You have a staff that rotates regularly, you lose that experience and familiarity that makes people want to return to your place again and again. With a casino, a player wants to return to their favorite dealers and see familiar faces. You keep replacing a staff like that the regulars will just go elsewhere for their business.

And this is Atlantic City, the training these people receive on the job at this place will help them get hired for permanent jobs in better casinos.

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