There's a worrying trend within "moderate liberalism" nowadays...

[Ken Burch]

We're seeing a fair amount of victories on the rights front, and that's a great thing.

But they're being accompanied by calls for austerity even among some "liberals", by continued efforts to weaken unions and lower wages, and by a general sense that working-class people are being cut loose.

This is a dangerous combination for the groups that are gaining rights.

When you have a situation in which it looks(unfairly, but that's how it looks)like a few groups are gaining while a large group is losing, the groups that are perceived to be gaining will be lashed out at and subject to campaigns to strip them of their rights.

The only way to prevent that is for "progressive" forces to be seen as fighting against the exclusion and against the marginalization of those on the lower end who feel left out.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

1. There is no such thing as a "moderate liberal".

The Democratic party is now a conservative political party.

[HiPointDem]

6. and the republicans are a fascist party.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

10. True.

[Recursion]

14. Yeah. Just the other day they pulled my neighbors out of bed and shot them

Seriously, what does pretending they're "fascist" accomplish?

[Dragonfli]

15. No one is pretending unfortunately

fas·cism

/ˈfaSHizəm/

Noun
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
(in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.


Didn't you just the other day have trouble with the definition of theft, specifically with reneging on a debt and then calling it revenue rather than the theft it was. It was sad when Enron stopped needed creative accountants that knew how to dodge debt and then creatively turn that debt into profit on the books. So many of their accountants now have little to do but post on forums.

[HiPointDem]

17. i'm not pretending.

[Ken Burch]

11. I used that description to echo the way our party leaders describe themselves

it's meant(on their part)to distinguish themselves from uppity peasant riffraff like us.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

12. I agree.

It's Orwellian doublespeak.

[MrSlayer]

2. Social issues are the only place the parties differ.

Fiscally, they're all ready to stick it up our asses to protect their sponsors and masters. It's only a matter of degree.

[Demo_Chris]

5. Very true actually :)

[forestpath]

3. If President Obama will sacrifice vulnerable people on SS to get a "bargain" -

he will sacrifice ANYBODY.

It's made me take a cynical view of his sudden interest in gay rights, women's rights, immigration rights, etc., - all issues I care about - because I feel nobody who truly cared about anybody's rights would deliberately hurt people who already have little and have no way to earn money to buy more food or heat.

So because he has proven that he cannot be trusted on something as crucial as protecting the elderly and sick on SS, I can't trust him on anything else, either.

[Demo_Chris]

8. He did a fine job protecting military spending

So he's got that going for him.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

4. Those aren't "Liberals". They aren't even "Blue Collar Democrats"....

They're "New Democrats" from the Clinton Era.

The types that BRAG that they can raise even MORE money from corporations than the Republicans.

[The Magistrate]

7. True, Sir: 'Social Liberal/Fiscal Conservative' Is Not Really A Sound Position, Let Alone A Left One

[Demo_Chris]

9. That would be more Libertarian (cont)

And I would have more use for it if it were. Libertarians are also horrified by things like Patriot, the wars, drones, and all that. The new Democrats don't have a huge problem with them. So really they are a kind of mixed bag.

[Wilms]

13. ^

[99Forever]

16. FDR is spinning in his grave.

Thanks President Obama and Friends, you've accomplished what the Republicans couldn't. Congrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I know people don't like to even consider this

Mass strikes and the long haul s what is needed.

Alas unions negotiated the strike away, and now are negotiating the five day week.


We really need to wake up, the only way the political class will fear us again, and they did...are mass strikes, sit ins and mass civil disobedience