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http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/horror-care-how-private-health-care-shortening-our-livesSteven Brill's article in Time Magazine about the cost of private health care is likely to make most of his readers very angry. Angry about the prices we pay, about the lives that are devastated, and about the fact that we're one of the few developed countries without adequate health care for its citizens.
Economists have told us that the profit motive of privatization comes with an "invisible hand" that automatically corrects inequities in the market. It hasn't worked that way for health care. The personal stories recounted below, and some additional facts to complement them, make it clear that an essential human need has been turned into a product that benefits a few people at the expense of many others.
$15,000 for Blood Tests
Brill's article begins with the story of a 42-year-old Ohio man named Sean Recchi, who traveled to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston for treatment of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. He and his wife Stephanie had paid $469 a month, or about 20% of their income, for insurance that covered $2,000 per day of hospital costs. His financial troubles started when MD Anderson told him, "We don't take that kind of discount insurance."
But he had to go to the hospital. His wife recalled that he was "sweating and shaking with chills and pains. He had a large mass in his chest that was..growing. He was panicked."
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)OwnedByCats
(805 posts)Totally disgusting
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Taking advantage of people when they are ill or dying, or caring for a sick family member, is disgusting.
I hope medical billing advocacy becomes widespread as a means of fighting back against the health industry vultures.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)funeral industry and to avoid their costs than it is with health care. You can "go green" or simple with funerals, etc., but you can't treat yourself for a lot of things.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)because it is highly immoral.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)It should be illegal - except in a for profit system this is just another day of doing business.
Until everyone stops worshiping at the altar of 'whatever makes money is good' this will continue.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)The only answer is getting enough people to choose helping others over profiting off them. It's a tall order, but the only one worth striving for, IMHO.
When I think of someone out there who owns shares of these "health providers" or pharmaceutical companies, all I can picture is someone smiling when they see they little stock ticker move up. Little extra pennies in their pocket that all mean tears and misery for the least among us. It must fill them with such satisfaction to know when someone is denied a pain ending or even life saving treatment they are poised to profit from it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)bought and paid for, like SCOTUS. We live in a bankers' world.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)they pay very little for, and that covers almost everything so that they don't have to worry about it, so why the hell would they care if WE don't have the same thing even though WE pay for it for them! We give it to them and pay for it, but they do their damnest to keep us from getting the same thing.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)is his statement (and I'm probably paraphrasing here, forgive me!) that, "of all forms of injustice and inequality, inequity in health care is the most egregious." And he's absolutely correct. To determine the worth and value of a life and the type, or even whether, of treatment someone gets based on the size of their wallet is beyond, well, sickening.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)I am sending it to all of my right wing relatives. I'm sure they will never be told the truth by FOX.
Wednesdays
(17,398 posts)And covered by the government. That includes shelter insurance enough to get you a basic living space. For most of us who have no alternative to get to work, auto insurance too...enough to replace a basic compact car with no optional equipment.
Luxury and non-essential items such as yachts and home theaters can go to private insurance. Or if you rather drive a Lexus, pay for private insurance over and above the basic insurance allotted by the government.
But basic needs must be taken out of the hands of the fatcats.
Call me socialist if you will, but I maintain it's a sin to profit off of someone else's essential livelihood.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Ive spent some more time going through Steven Brills magnum opus on medical prices, and am even more amazed at (a) the quality of the reporting (b) his weird refusal to draw the obvious conclusion...Brill highlights the extent to which Medicare is able to get better deals than private insurers, who in turn get much better deals than individuals. Somewhat puzzlingly, he says almost nothing about Medicaid, which does even better at bargaining because of its greater ability to say no. The best available research says that Medicaid if provided directly is way cheaper than private insurance:
So the obvious answer is to expand public insurance, and give Medicare more bargaining power.
But somehow Brill veers off at the last minute. He gets all politically realistic about the prospect of expanding Medicare; Im all for realism, but shouldnt the overwhelming message of his piece be that what passes for realism in American medicine is disastrous? And he argues that
trying to cut the deficit by simply lowering the fees Medicare and Medicaid pay to hospitals will not work. It will only cause the hospitals to shift the costs to non-Medicare patients in order to maintain profits which they will be able to do because of their increasing leverage in their markets over insurers.
This is, from everything Ive read, a highly dubious proposition and everything Brill has said up to this point reinforces that position. After all, the argument that hospitals will raise fees if they make less on Medicare patients only works if hospitals are currently charging less than the traffic will bear and Brill has just spent 20,000 words telling us that they squeeze every dime they can out of patients.
Anyway, read his reporting, but turn to health-care economists for the analytical implications.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/government-and-medical-costs-continued
Eye-opening stuff in Brill's report, which makes three things clear:
- The new MLR is going to make a big difference (though not mentioned).
- The government should be negotiating drug prices.
- We need single payer.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)We are past crisis, this BigPharm/Insurance/Hospital cabal is draining our treasure without providing decent coverage for oh so many. We do need a single payer system, I'm thinking that "Medicare for All" sounds about right. Right away we should be negotiating drug prices with Big Pharm. Let's see, how about kicking the GOP outta the majority house position by Nov. 2014 and moving quickly to get 'er done quickly? We don't have decades to get this right...we gotta solve this NOW.
CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)At one point I slammed the magazine shut & tossed it on the table. The receptionist looked at me & asked, "Are you reading the Time magazine issue on health care?" She told me I was the third person to react that way in the two days the magazine had been out.
This is criminal, what is being done to the American people.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Nationalize Big Pharma.
Fuck the parasite health insurance industry and all those profit-driven med corporations.
Health care should be a birth right, not a profit center.
This is one of the most obscene things about America.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)When "Obamacare" was winding it's way to law cost was rarely discussed, it made me want to scream. Access for everyone is nice but not if one bandage is $60 and so on. It is highway robbery, it is heartless capitalism, executives who have zero to do with health care are making millions on our backs.
Then there is the deal with the devil Obama made with big pharma, ixnay with the negotiating on sky high drug prices.
Kudos to TIME and Brill for putting this out there in detail - stockholders and profit should not be in the health care equation.
Only in America.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)The system takes care of 300 million Americans! You don't want to jeopardize their health and well being just because of few million discount insurance customers fall through the cracks, do you??? The insurers NEED more profit every year. Same with hospital corporations. That is the nature of a traded stock corporation: grow profits or die. Where are they going to get those expanding profits? Human bodies aren't getting more durable and disease resistant. Costs can't decline that way. They HAVE to shake it out of us. Rising prices eclipsing inflation in all other sectors of the eonomy. Cutting corners in diagnosis so they don't get stuck paying for expensive life saving operations. Making the bet that the customer you are stonewalling on treatment will die before they manage to cost you a bunch of money in procedures and medicines.
Try to think like a good Democrat, please! Take care of the insurers, and they'll take care of our politicians. Isn't that what we want?