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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSince When Did Normally Well Read, Intelligent, Progressives, Start Trusting Politicians ???
I mean... we do have a history...
Gulf of Tonkin, and the recent version of the Iraq War... to name two.
From June 20, 2012: Trust in Government and Other Institutions Hits New Lows
All of those numbers are at or near record lows. Banks have endured the worst reputational downgrade, with current trust levels 21 percentage points lower than the historical average, according to Gallup. Congress ranks 13 points below the average; public schools, 12 points below. The presidency and Supreme Court and both rank eight points below the norm. The military, as usual, ranks at the top of the list, one of the few institutions that's generating a growing sense of trust.
Link: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/06/20/trust-in-government-and-other-institutions-hits-new-lows
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Or is it perhaps stopped clock syndrome?
Or as we use to say in rural Nebraska...
Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.
jes sayin'
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)up his spin.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and really don't give a fat rat's ass.
Hey, but if you want to hate on your fellow Democrats just because they see some things differently than you, who am I to stop you?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)St. Rand.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I almost care.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)discussion without demeaning your codiscussants & misrepresenting their views?
it's quite noticeable, you know.
you're not fooling anyone.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)babylonsister
(172,759 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)that our institutions have become corrupt, I think. Seems everything is bs, everywhere you look, and all the politicians and talking heads are just full of it - removed from reality, fake.
I don't know how our institutions, government in particular, can regain the trust of the people.
Not sure it should, and fearful of the future if it doesn't.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)great white snark
(2,646 posts)One trusts politicians that they support. It's not a recent concept.
If it's bad you should chide all the DU folks who have continually put their trust in Senator Warren.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)But the list is short... and the choices are few...
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Oh... I Trust Senator Warren, And Bernie Sanders... And Maybe A Few Others... Alan Grayson..."
So it's OK for you to trust politicians, but not other people?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Some sources claim the quote is most likely from famous con-man Joseph ("Paper Collar Joe"
In turn, Barnum's fellow circus owner and arch-rival Adam Forepaugh attributed the quote to Barnum in a newspaper interview in an attempt to discredit him. However, Barnum never denied making the quote. It is said that he thanked Forepaugh for the free publicity he had given him.[citation needed]
Another source credits late 1860s Chicago "bounty broker, saloon and gambling-house keeper, eminent politician, and dispenser of cheating privileges..." Michael Cassius McDonald as the originator of the aphorism. According to the book Gem of the Prairie: Chicago Underworld (1940) by Herbert Asbury, when McDonald was equipping his gambling house known as The Store (at Clark and Monroe Streets in Chicago) his partner Harry Lawrence expressed concern over the large number of roulette wheels and faro tables being installed and their ability to get enough players to play the games. McDonald then allegedly said, "Don't worry about that, there's a sucker born every minute."[citation needed]
The phrase is the title of the opening song in the Broadway musical Barnum, about P.T. Barnum's life.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Politicians are not to be trusted, you just have to parse and watch out for some less than other.
Trusting politicians is abdication of citizenship not a form of loyalty.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)"Father Knows Best..."
Spot on.
babylonsister
(172,759 posts)And trust can be relative.
While we live here, they run the country, for better or for worse.
If we weren't interested, we wouldn't be on DU.
So who do you trust, WillyT?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cha
(319,074 posts)so which is it? You can trust the politicians you want... but, others here can't trust different ones?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Sad little list, no???
And I'm sure I've left out a few... Barbara Lee to name... one.
Cha
(319,074 posts)When I found someone I felt I could trust.
They don't all LIE like you're asserting.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cha
(319,074 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cha
(319,074 posts)posts on the Clintons and pure hatred on Pres Obama.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)The guy shredded the safety net and signed NAFTA.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I had hope in Obama. I thought, as an outsider he just might stand up to the machine. Obamacare crushed that foolish idea. He has done nothing since to make me reconsider. Frankly, Obama is one scary dude doing some seriously spooky shit.
Cha
(319,074 posts)noted..over and over and over again. Not impressed.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)You do know they work for us, right ???
Otherwise you're just a royalist from a couple of hundred years ago, or so.
Cha
(319,074 posts)posting Ignorant crap full of hate.
You have trust in some politicians but I'm not allowed to? Is that It?
Take your "royalist" crap and peddle elsewhere if you must peddle.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I have basically given up. Coming here today I have now learned that the 4th amendment is now repealed within 100 miles of any border, and the Obama administration is now publicly claiming the right to drone any Americans he likes right here in the good old USA. He promises to use discretion or something.
Apparently I am supposed to support this because he is a Democrat or something.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Cha
(319,074 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)1) I am not the topic of this thread, and in general it is a good idea to address ideas rather than posters
2) If you think I am ignorant you are welcome to offer some facts or ideas of your own and we can discuss them. I try to treat everyone here with respect, I always take the time to consider what others have to say, and I have never been ashamed to admit when I am wrong.
I suspect that you are just having a bad day.
Cha
(319,074 posts)sick of you piling your shit on him.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)You understand my concerns, we are both on the same team after all. And I really do hope you are correct. I liked Obama's back to work plan actually -- I think it's a good start. In any case, I am doing what President Obama told us to do during his convention speach.
President Obama TOLD US we have to keep the pressure on, he told us we have to hold his feet to the fire. That was the bargain. It was our job to make so much noise that he had no choice but to listen to us. And so far we haven't done it. So far all we've done is make excuses.
Cha
(319,074 posts)what we don't agree with the Admin.. it's the gratuitous piling on and disrespect that I'm talking about.
I mostly ignore it but something about today has me jumping into the fray.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)had to contend with legislation that he has proposed. Beside being a Democrat (a sin in the eyes of the capitalistic GOP) Obama has had to contend with racism/bigotism that is still in full flourish with too damn many people in this country. The scariest people in the US are the racist and bigotted ignoramouses who slurp up the rotting fodder that the racist/bigoted GOP is feeding them.
By the way what is this seriously spooky shit Obama is doing that you speak of ???
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I agree completely. If someone is not at least concerned about potential right wing violence they are not paying attention. To answer your other question:
Scary:
Suspending the 4th amendment anywhere within 100 miles of a border.
Secret drone strikes against Americans anywhere on earth, including inside our borders
Unpleasant Proposals:
Chained CPI
lumpy
(13,704 posts)The little I know about the 4th amendment states that it prevents unreasonable search and seizure without legal sanction. Is this to be put into affect with or without suspending the 4th amendment ? Do you have the answer ?
You have to clue me about the danger drones may be to US citizens within our borders. I really don't know the ramifications. Must research the legalities.
Chained CPI, looks like it might affect Soc.Security payments. What else will it affect ? I do know it affects price indexing.
Help me out here. Haven't been on top of everything lately.
Rex
(65,616 posts)people were desperate for a leader that wouldn't send us off to die for profit or try to destroy the middle class and working class.
They got what they wanted, sorta, and now covet what they could not have for so long.
babylonsister
(172,759 posts)Warts and all, I'll take him after those 8...longggg....years.
He IS trying, and I have to respect that. He's accomplished a lot, really, given the climate and forces against him.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I was very upset after the BP fiasco, but if I held that against our POTUS and just stayed focused on THAT one event - well hell I'd be a narrow-minded Republican!
Yes he has accomplished a lot, given that he has a political party that will refuse to help him out one iota over his 8 years in office. And the willingness of his own party to stab him in the back. Seems like an impossible job to me.
Today, the stock market is at an all time high and employers are looking for workers again all across the nation. But you won't hear the M$M crowing about it - wrong political party.
Cha
(319,074 posts)the OP. Yeah, that's me..crushing on someone who's in the front lines against fascism and a plutocracy takeover so I, as a retired person, and all the millions of other seniors can have access to our Medicare and all the other peeps can benefit from Obamacare.. and in my case assistance from HUD.
I absolutely crushed on PBO when he came out for same sex marriage too. Something about that man and his heart.
pampango
(24,692 posts)As Barack Obama begins his second term in office, trust in federal government remains mired near a historic low and frustration with government remains high.
Explore public attitudes towards the federal government over time and compare the data with other key national indicators, such as consumer sentiment, the unemployment rate and changes within the elected leadership.
Compare trust in government to: How much of the time do you trust the government in Washington?
http://www.people-press.org/2013/01/31/trust-in-government-interactive/
Of course in 2005, 45% of republicans trusted government vs. just 18% of Democrats. Trust in government is related to some extent anyway with which party is in power.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Do you understand how pathetic that is ???
babylonsister
(172,759 posts)Or is this a 'rant'?
Inquiring minds...
pampango
(24,692 posts)I'm not sure that is any less pathetic, though since we are the party that believes the government should be a force for good.
Republicans (15%) are even less trusting of government and politicians, though for different reasons since many of them are 'limited government' aficionados and, of course, hate the current 'Kenyan socialist' in the White House.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)but the Party of "Shoot Yourself in the Foot"...in many ways.
At times it seems so EUPHORIC when WE WIN...and THEN what comes AFTER seems to be a bit of a downer where what happens just seems bizarre.
I think it's not worth worrying about...because some NEW PHOENIX..may arise...eventually...out of the ashes.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)on the part of the GOP, proposals and attacks regarding women's rights,abortion, sexual orientation, social programs, marriage, voting rights,taxes and also established issues already in place and more. The issues that have to be addressed now is unpresidented and overwhelming. It is no wonder the American people might be in a quandry and frustration is running rampant. Government is a mess thanks to the GOP hard heads in the Congress who's only objective has been to bring Obama down mainly by using propaganda/lies creating fear, hatred, distrust of our government. It certainly indicates that the present GOP has put Capitalism and (bits of Fascism) before Democracy.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's worth the investment, as they make a killing off war.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)You can't work against it unless you are very clever...and find other ways..but, it gets harder...and harder...when there's THAT MUCH MONEY...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)right down to discussion boards on the internet.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)from Georgia. Did his Campaign on a train in the late 70's and his Peace Corps Mother in her late 70's stopped in Ridgefield, Connecticut and shook my hand and said "He's going to do it for us!" and she did a wonderful speach about how as old as she was she had stayed involved and why we should vote for her son, Jimmy.
And...then I had a a BIG HOPE for the "MAN FROM HOPE" (Campaign Slogan) from ARKANSAS and his Attractive "New Female Power Wife" who was the darling of the women's movement with her Progressive Husband...both from Yale...and the new DLC was the WAY to SLAY THE REPUGS!
OMG....How long it's been and how many SORROWS...
down that LONG ROAD...FROM EXUBERANT HOPE.........to.......
whatever.....
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)We are trusting and should NOT be.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Not everyone is a liar. No profession is made up entirely of untrustworthy people.
Politicians are elected in this country. FCOL. We are in control of it. We could do something about it. This attitude smacks of determination to be a victim rather than do something.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And other progressive groups, is tell them not to count anyone in or out because of their political affiliation, and teach that there is NO SUCH THING as a permanent friend in politics.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)that the Occupy movement were pointing out.
Oh, wait...
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)which ones we distrust the least. The game is too rigged for it to be otherwise for most of us. Having been born in 1984, my experience with politics as an adult is still very limited, compared to many here. What I personally feel though, is that just about any politician is for sale, for the right amount of money. I mean... this is a system of legal bribery, which has become far worse since the Citizens United ruling. Am I going to trust people... even intelligent people I like... when it comes to such huge amounts of cash? Generally, no. As a general rule, people will do what benefits them and theirs.
I think holding the President's feet (and other politicians feet) to the fire, requires us to forge a new system. Campaign finance reform, primarily. Bribes, however prettied up or worded, need to be illegal. The financial interests, I think, have far more control over our government than honest or dishonest politicians - and certainly more control than the average voter.
I don't trust politicians, in general. There's some I like, but I do not trust them to do what's best for the American people as opposed to what's best for their campaign contributors. This doesn't mean that there aren't some politicians that are honest, full of integrity and the righteousness we would hope for... but I tend to expect the worst.
Who really has the power? Who ever has the money, I suppose. Certainly not me. So my opinion should prove irrelevant to politicians in any event.